BASED. RIP Linkola what a great inspirational mind.

I just subscribed to this site. I recently finished reading seven of Emil Cioran's books. Then I accidentally discovered Pentti Linkola. Since i'm a Finlander living in Canada and a lover of the northern bush, I immediately became interested. I just finished reading his Can Life Prevail. Today I received in the mail your Hermeneutics Of Ecological Limitation and The Later Philosophy of Pentti Linkola. I'm excited about getting into these works. I like books that inspire my own literary ditch digging, which I engage in daily.

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for checking out those two books and the channel's videos, really hope you enjoy your reading experience!

I want to hire a translator to translate Linkola's complete works when I get my inheritance, very important thinker

@thomaslodger7675

2 ай бұрын

Let me know how it works out, I want to read more then "can life prevail"

Hey Chad, I love the fact that you brought this Finnish legend into discussion. You know, despite his radical attitude, he is still widely discussed in Finland? At least when I was in public school system here he was discussed in philosophy class as an exemplar of radical attitude towards ecology. His ideas do also make casually appearance in the public media here, and several books about him have been published within a few years, so I don't think that he is so much ignored around here as he is in other countries.

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. I'm actually researching to write a book on him now. Are any of these works you mention translated into english or French etc?

@mikaelnoone7304

4 жыл бұрын

@@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329 I think that unfortunately they have not been translated. I could highlight this biography (2017) and a recent book called Sielunmessu (Requiem, 2019). I saw him speak when the former came out.

@snoski2697

3 жыл бұрын

@Hyper Dragon Anaconda His works are widely ignored by academia here in Finland, especially the philosophy departments I've acquainted myself with.

Linkola cut throught the BS and superficially empty good intentions like a razorblade. We need more unapolegetically honest intellectuals like him.

I really feel like this dude wouldnt get such a bad rap if he didnt use such strong language. I like that he tells it how it is tho, in a very blunt way.

Economic Growth is endless development and human addictions to like milk and soda two items that are not required ! Especially since soda corporations pay dimes for water

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

4 жыл бұрын

Great point- Evola noted that this is what people get wrong when they assume that production meets human needs; it's more like we artificially invent weird pseudo-needs to justify more production. But it's strange to call something with no nutritional value which only gives you kidney stones a "need"; it's more like the opposite

This could possibly be one of the most relevant videos available for the age of COVID-19. I’m very interested to hear your views on this. Are you thinking of addressing it philosophically?

@DamonD_Absences

4 жыл бұрын

I’m very interested in how the obsession with sanitation in response to the pandemic may in fact leave us wide open for an even more lethal pandemic (especially considering how awful the immune systems of the West tend to be as it is).

What a great channel! Would like to see you discuss impeachment of man :)

I highly enjoyed this presentation, cheers.

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks I have more videos on linkola and a book see my channel page

"Life...uh...finds a way." -- Jurrassic Park

This is your first video I have watched, and the first time I have heard of Linkola. Subscribed!

Ty for this post.

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

You don't disappoint, Herr Haag. Been preachin n teachin this stuff fer years. Subbed, and I oughta consider you a spiritual kin, a brother n heir.

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot. Now is the time to take all this stuff much more seriously, as it seems the crisis warned of for years has officially begun

Pentti Linkola's positive emphasis on the efficacy of violence, echoed by you btw, might need dissecting (no pun intended)... There are ways to eliminate or greatly limit invasive non-native species without the need for senseless violence. Minks and cats for example, could be trapped and painlessly, swiftly euthanized. And also birth control laced food could be used to limit their numbers. Would it cost a bit more? Yes, very likely, but compared to the cost to the ecosystem of invasive species, that solution would be a *sane and humane, nonviolent* choice. Take a look at an interesting channel *Rebel Bass.* He recently put up a vid about John Michael Greer. I didn't agree with some of his take completely, but I think his misgivings about certain strains of eco-thought as too often tending in fascistic directions are spot-on . I would like to see a deep, informed discussion of problems we face and sane ways to address those dire problems which didn't default to your advocacy of socially reactionary, proto-fascist, facile "solutions"...Too often the "ecology" referred to in these views is thinly disguised eco-brutalism, if not outright eco-facism. I think if we are smart enough we can devise effective low-tech, ecologically sound solutions without the need to resort to fascism, suppression and violence. Using unethical means to try to extract ethical ends always ends in tragedy. Always...

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting thx ill write a fuller response after thinking about this

@petelovatt8357

Жыл бұрын

Based on your recommendation, I listened to Rebel Bass' video on Greer and Ecofascism. I was unimpressed. His solutions are all economically based. Everything is reduced to class and wealth. He's just a bog standard leftist.

Taking the eco-fascist pill...

@landimhlakane9141

3 жыл бұрын

*gulp

chad, have you talked much about AI/singularity?

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

4 жыл бұрын

I wrote about kurzweil a bit in all three of my books i personally dont believe its possible

I agree but i get to keep my cat

Hey Chad, your videos are pretty interesting. If you ever find yourself in Bangalore and wanna grab a beer and just shoot the shit, let me know

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

4 жыл бұрын

Thx I've been planning to visit Bangalore sometime I'll let u know

@bharatnair15

4 жыл бұрын

@@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329 Awesome. Cheers!

Give me a shout when you'll come across a book "Should Life Prevail?" ;)

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

4 жыл бұрын

Hh very funnny Perhaps you can author such a text? Ill be the first to read

@WackyConundrum

4 жыл бұрын

@@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329 Unfortunately I wouldn't be original in this endeavour. Check, for example: Better Never to Have Been by David Benatar, Conspiracy Against The Human Race by Thomas Ligotti, A Critique of Affirmative Morality: A Reflection on Death, Birth and the Value of Life by Julio Cabrera, and material on Efilism (e.g. efilism.fandom.com/wiki/Efilism_Wiki).

@garm93

4 жыл бұрын

@@WackyConundrum Also The trouble of being born by Cioran

"...this is not controversial on scientific grounds but only on ideological grounds." You don't address humans, which by their nature come with emotions along with empathy. Which is controversial to them not simply because of their ideology.

@snoski2697

3 жыл бұрын

luckily, Linkola does so himself, and even considers this attribute of humans both what is beautiful in them and why they cannot properly govern themselves through democratic institutions.

Dingos have been in Australia for at least 4000 yrs...

@landimhlakane9141

3 жыл бұрын

They're like the few 'artificially introduced' species that integrated quite well in the Australian ecosystem

Just wanted to put it out there: I'm personally under no illusion that my vegan diet is a sole action which if carried out universally throughout the population would save the planet from ecological collapse, but it is scientific consensus that a plant based diet requires a smaller area of land and simultaneously requires less water. On top of this you certainly can live healthily as a vegan if you live in an area with a wide variety of edible plants. In fact a majority of hunter gatherer tribes with the healthiest populations have been shown to eat a majority plant based diet. Two key reasons why some vegans become deficient in certain vitamins and minerals is due mainly to water sanitation (removing the bacteria that creates b12) + unvaried diets which are also common within omnivorous counterparts. Of course in many regions it is unrealistic to assume a vegan diet is possible (when living off of the local environment). Also it is simply untrue that a vegan diet puts you at any kind of a physical or athletic disadvantage. Simply look at the disproportionately small number of vegan athletes compared to the number of them doing exceedingly well within their respective sports. The scientific literature also unequivocally backs this up. The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics along with many other institutions have come to the same conclusion that: not only are vegetarian and vegan diets appropriate for all stages of the life cycle (pregnancy, infancy, childhood, etc.), but they also help reduce the risk for heart disease, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, stroke, obesity, and ...

@Knaeben

2 жыл бұрын

Vegan diet actually does more damage to the environment than a high meat diet. The data and statistics the vegans use has all been debunked. I eat an almost completely carnivore diet so as to contribute as little to environmental degradation as possible. Cattle use much less water and resources than plants and can be ranged on land that can't be cultivated. Plus a plant diet it quite difficult to do and be healthy. The vegan stuff has been debunked; look it up. Hunter gatherers ALWAYS prefer meat when it's available.

The idea that hard labour requires meat or that people will die without meat is laughably stupid

@ramon2008

2 жыл бұрын

people might not die im sure. but malnutrition is not a good place to be in either. not saying eating copiuous amounts of meat is good either. a balanced diet is probably best.

I don't quite get your rant on veganism. You provide some edge cases and conclude that the whole ideology is less than not worth the effort. The conclusion is not justified.

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry i should have mentioned that i am ex vegan myself. When i first lived in india i didnt even eat eggs and i became very malnourished. And that was before i had to do hard farming labour in tropical heat and humidity. I couldn't do it without some fish goat and water buffalo meat. I dont mind if some ppl choose to go vegan but i dont think it would work for more than a very small group of ppl and it certainly wont solve the ecological crises

@WackyConundrum

4 жыл бұрын

@@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329 Are you saying you became malnourished *because* you were on a vegan diet or maybe do you think that you just didn't eat properly? It stands to reason that if you don't eat enough calories and you don't eat proper stuff (vitamins, other elements) then your health will deteriorate. It would happen on vegan and non-vegan diets alike. In so called "first world" vegans somehow live normal lives when they are on simple, normal vegan diets. Also, many people around the world are vegetarians (for various reasons) and they live and work fairly normally. Heck, you know this better than I do, as you live in a country whose population is approximately 30% vegetarian. They are also interesting examples of vegan bodybuilders, powerlifters, and strongmen, who don't look malnourished and seem to be able to do some hard work. Estimates of devastation that comes from animal agriculture vary, but there are some facts that are repeated in most articles I read on the subject: - it is one of the biggest source of greenhouse gases emissions, - uses much more land, water, energy than if the place was used directly to grow plant food for people, - produces much waste. Don't take it the wrong way but at the end you seem to be saying that because X is not the final solution then it is not worth doing X, even if doing X would bring a lot of positive effects in the world at large.

@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329

4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the info I grant I was overgeneralizing. I guess all I am saying is that this diet works for some people but not for everyone. I just oppose people who want to force everyone to adopt it

@WackyConundrum

4 жыл бұрын

@@chadahaagphilosophychannel7329 What makes you say that this diet works only for some people? Do you mean to say that the diet doesn't work for some people due to their environment (for example the Inuit live in an enrivonment where it's difficult to find fresh veggies) or is there something else?

@WackyConundrum

4 жыл бұрын

@fae ragan You may search for "Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets." and read there "It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes." It's cute that a PhD candidate made some comments about some vegan diet. However comments are irrelevant. What matters is data, research, meta-analyses, official stances of health organizations (such as the one linked above).

The ecofascism thing seems like a troll to me. Like, of course democracy is unecological but to effectively maintain such a state of authoritarian control would require means and methods that would be themselves be ecologically disasterous. Instead his discourse gets hijacked to rationalize identitarian power grabs in a decaying civilization.

Doomer.

@ramon2008

2 жыл бұрын

you're a doomer or the speaker or the author he;s discussing?

@abhimanyukarnawat7441

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramon2008 all of the above.