In RL the hema guy would just sail up to the kendo guy's port, bombard for like 10-15 mins, demand trade rights, then build some railroads

@mahogany7712

4 жыл бұрын

Under Rated Comment Lmao😂😂😂

@GiulioRubinoreporter

4 жыл бұрын

plus pollute the kendo guys' society with opium sold illegally, pour in funds for eversive fringe groups, arm rebels, assassinate community leaders, then say they lost because they are an inferior culture

@user-ze3tq9hf9i

4 жыл бұрын

@@GiulioRubinoreporter woke

@justsomeguy3931

4 жыл бұрын

And just shoot the Japanese warriors with guns, if they ever got close enough that swords might even get used in the first place. Anyone who makes it past all that tho...

@arx3516

4 жыл бұрын

@@justsomeguy3931 japanese did have guns at the time, muskets based on 16th century portuguese ones.

TO DEMONSTRATE THE POWER OF FLEX TAPE, I CUT THIS MAN IN HALF

@13thmember2

4 жыл бұрын

"no leaks, cameraman are you getting this"

@sophiajean15

4 жыл бұрын

Lmfao had me dying of laughter

@rogaldorn605

4 жыл бұрын

Hey thats my line

@gliderfs621

3 жыл бұрын

tHaT’s A lOtTa DaMaGeS 🤪🤪🤪

"I can't see anything but the sun in my eyes" Ah so he used the cunning Miyamoto Musashi technique then.

@arpioisme

4 жыл бұрын

or manciolino's advice

@Soridan

4 жыл бұрын

Didn't see an oar though.

@islamicschoolofmemestudies

4 жыл бұрын

@@Soridan you want to kill a man...because thats how you make concussions

@Soridan

4 жыл бұрын

@@islamicschoolofmemestudies I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion reading my post regarding Musashi's choice of weapon in the referenced duel. Give it another go.

@Masiyooo

4 жыл бұрын

@@islamicschoolofmemestudies it's a direct reference to Musashi Miyamoto's duel against Sasaki Kojiro, who he defeated with a long wooden sword. Sasaki Kojiro used a sword of notable length, so presumably in an attempt to equal out the differences in reach, Musashi used a long wooden sword rather than his own shorter sword. Musashi defeated Sasaki by cracking him in the head and ribs. Over time, just like with all oral history, the story of the fight took on a legendary form, and details such as Musashi Miyamoto carving his weapon out of an oar while on his way to the island were included into the story. Most details of the fight are obscure and uncertain, what is known that Musashi defeated Sasaki, and most accounts seem to agree that he did so with a wooden sword.

I think Humphries took lessons learned from the last fight and definitely seems more aggressive here, taking the initiative more often.

@ThirdLawPair

3 жыл бұрын

Yet another reason why it's silly when people try to claim that one style is inherently superior to another: not only does it depend on the skill of the individual competitor, but also how well they execute their strategy on that particular day.

@slizzardman

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThirdLawPair Yea. Really makes you appreciate how skilled and inherently gifted someone like Musashi must have been... a lot like a Roy Jones Jr in terms of reflexes, speed in general, timing, distance control, and a lifetime of training for what best suited him rather than imitation of others or preserving a legacy style unaltered.

@tiedyesuit3097

2 жыл бұрын

Is Humphries Kendo school named after the Itto Ryu from Blade of the Immortal?

@paulatreides3214

2 жыл бұрын

@@tiedyesuit3097 his kendo school is named "The Rock Kendo Club". Ito ryu is just the name of the style that he (and 99.9999% of kendoka all over the world) practices. Ito ryu just means "one sword" style, as opposed to nito ryu (two swords) .

@tiedyesuit3097

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulatreides3214 ah I see. Thanks!!

I get that it might not be avoidable, but I feel like the weapon choice doesn't really do European or Japanese swordsmanship justice here. The Red Dragon is a decent approximation of the weight and balance of some longswords, but the floppy crossguard and awkward reaction to the bind distort the way the weapon is supposed to be used. Likewise, the Shinai is much longer, lighter and straighter than Japanese swords tend to be, turning an agile close-range cutter into a longer-range sniping/tapping weapon. Props to the Kendo guy for not basing his whole strategy around running away and hand sniping, since he absolutely could do that in this matchup and be almost unbeatable. But even as is he has the reach and agility to shut down a lot of the Fiore guy's mid plays without having to really engage with them, and I think that makes the fights a little less interesting than they could be.

@philswiftHEMA

4 жыл бұрын

you stand correct! We hate the synthetic wasters, and we are hoping to be able to do this match with Steel one day. We both tried to not game the match and use cheap tactics to "win". It was a friendly exchange with the priority of having fun and showing off our styles, but also attempting some of the recommendations or suggestions from the viewers from the first video we released.

@ericnesbitt1734

4 жыл бұрын

in my opinion the big disadvantage is the handle on the red dragon plastic, its very short thus with gloves its hard to cross your hands and you have little leverage, making it very difficult to strike its about 20cm. But a shinai has a handle around the same as most steel feders at 35cm if it was me I probably would have used a shinai as well.

@flashingsword

4 жыл бұрын

@@ericnesbitt1734 Yes, it's like a hand-and-a-half sword in handle length. Also about 30-40% lighter than it's historical counterparts. As I understand it, Shinais are about 50%-60% lighter than their historical counterparts.

@AlexxZhulin

4 жыл бұрын

@@ericnesbitt1734 I agree, two shinai would be a better choice. Put plastic swords in recycling bin - save your style and the planet.

@chopstick1671

4 жыл бұрын

I see most people saying they’d prefer 2 shinais, but I reckon getting steel would be a way better choice. Knowing how HEMA clubs work I think getting a steel federschwert is not the challenge :) So maybe its time to get the Kendoka a steel katana and make a part 3.

It would probably take a bit more editing, but I would be really cool if you put in hit markers (like a colored circle where a hit occurred).

@spacez3814

4 жыл бұрын

Jack Barman it would get more views

@jpardoa94

4 жыл бұрын

Totally get what you say, hits happen really fast and I found myself going back a few seconds for every interaction to notice the hits

@YamaDrahma

3 жыл бұрын

Thats why they touch place of the hit after the play

@TaoistSwordsman

3 жыл бұрын

@@YamaDrahma True. They did a good job calling shots

@jestfullgremblim8002

3 жыл бұрын

@@TaoistSwordsman yeah

Just attacking the wrists is an amazing technique to use by the Kendo guy, as the reach is lower than the HEMA guy! Nice to finally see a practice where both of the fighters are equally skilled, this is not a "Why Kendo is useless" or "HEMA guy destroyed by Kendo" Keep up the great work!!

Both are equally skilled, and this makes for a great match. I've studied Kendo for almost 20 years, but I know almost nothing about HEMA. It was a treat to see the differences against each other.

@aethelwolfe3539

3 жыл бұрын

It seems like from the chudon position the kendo guy is in the stab would be a choice move, but he never really used it once.

@Ianmar1

2 жыл бұрын

@@aethelwolfe3539 We only allow a thrust to the neck, and this is only taught (seriously) at 3dan and above. The guy is only ikkyu.

@doktordanomite9105

Жыл бұрын

@@Ianmar1 should be lesson one its an a good way to kill someone jk

@Ianmar1

Жыл бұрын

@@doktordanomite9105 It is a difficult attack both to make and receive correctly. It is also viewed as unrealistically effective given that the shinai is a few centimeters longer and half of the weight of the sword it is supposed to represent. However ... Much to the disappointment of many sword enthusiasts, kendo is not an accurate sword combat simulation, and not intended to be. The Japanese kendo federation (ZNKR) is very clear on this "The concept of Kendo is to discipline the human character through the application of the principles of the sword." Consequently kendo trains many virtues that samurai valued, but combat is not explicitly among those virtues.

@doktordanomite9105

Жыл бұрын

@@Ianmar1 i agree nuance tends too win out in this kind of thing hence my “jk” but at the same time a thrust is a thrust. And while some swords are more suited too the cut if its sharp and pointy its not impossible to figure out

I wonder if some organization will start making some duel of these different kind of sword style from different heritage of their country just like MMA

@anxiousweeb8753

4 жыл бұрын

Let's call it MSMA (mixed sword martial arts)

@killerkraut9179

4 жыл бұрын

some swords are to different

@kevintse2870

4 жыл бұрын

The group that came up with the Lorica MK II suit wanted to do something like this, but they’re still a long shot away.

@chaos_omega

4 жыл бұрын

@@kevintse2870 Don't they use Cold Steel wasters...? Ick!

@ColdNapalm42

4 жыл бұрын

SCA says hi. Despite it's many fault.

Cool video,real nice to see jsa and hema folks cross-training in such a friendly manner

was really cool seeing two different styles come together. Like different dialects of the same language. Thanks for sharing this

Y'all should get some blackfencer or purpleheart synthetics - they both have much more suitable weapons for this, including katana synthetics.

@philswiftHEMA

4 жыл бұрын

Omg I don't know why I havent thought of that. I forgot they made synthetics for katana! Geez, I would rather spar with steel, but hell this is way cheaper. Thanks for the reminder.

4:35 R1 R1 R1

@halotrixzdj

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha!

@shinobidaniel_12

4 жыл бұрын

Sekiro vs Ds3 (2019 colorized)

@liamodahl1205

4 жыл бұрын

Orochi light spammers in For Honor.

@nunyabizz1508

4 жыл бұрын

For honor

@ElHombreGato

4 жыл бұрын

O, O, O, O, O

*_WELCOME BACK TO THE STAGE OF HISTORY_*

@sorceproject

4 жыл бұрын

A TALE OF SOULS AND SWORDS, ETERNALLY RETOLD

@Biouke

4 жыл бұрын

TO GO! TO SHINE!

@EdouardPicard0224

3 жыл бұрын

They chose to fight at the fucking Ostrheinsburg Chapel

The half swording makes me smile

@Yosamania1337

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. I feel like compared to the training sword, the boken would more accurately portray the katana. If it did we could see the true advantages of a double sided blade, cross guard, and half swording techniques vs a blade without those features.

@krieger8825

2 жыл бұрын

Why don't they use a real katana plastic thingy, a whacking stick doesn't represent the true sword

Thank you both for setting up another fight like this. I was so eager to wake up to watch it. Made my morning happy :)

Imagine having a really deep voice and giving a warcry while striking.

HEMA: I have to say this was a wonderful display for people doing HEMA. The Guards were used to control the space and distance and the center was fought over constantly. Loved the footwork most of all. Beginners don't realise how much footwork plays a role. The thrusting was on point and the engagements really interesting. I was hoping to see more of the OX guard and some OX thrusts. Still over all a good showing. A few times there I was looking for the longsword in a Bind)))

@KnightedDawn

4 жыл бұрын

Ochs is part of German swordsmanship. The longswordist in this video studies Italian longsword.

@krieger8825

2 жыл бұрын

GERMAN SUPERIORITY, RAAAA

@thomastucker7317

2 жыл бұрын

Ochs as an engaging guard kinda sucks, and as a parry it doesn't look like ochs, it just looks like a hanging parry so its hard to point it out. Ochs thrusts outside of bindwork are also very difficult to pull off so they are rather rare, its always awesome when you do see them

Real samurai would win because katanas are so sharp they can cut the universe in half without any movement.

@gabrielegenota1480

4 жыл бұрын

lol. Nippon steel

@faisalmahendra4009

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@AabluedragonAH

4 жыл бұрын

1 googol folds

@shinobidaniel_12

4 жыл бұрын

Good one

@user-ds5kv7bu5j

4 жыл бұрын

If you judge a battle only from the sharpness of a blade... You have to consider that longswords are also sharp and also you can thrust with jt

Great video! It's a real pleasure watching skilled combatants have a go at each other. Well done to both of you!

Your first video is one of my favorite sparing videos! Thanks for round two.

Honestly i think this is some of the coolest stuff ever. I rarely see two completely different styles face off usually its all within the same art. Both people are really skilled and it made for an awesome vid! 👍

Nothing but pure skill and respect for each other. Simply beautiful.

Against Kendo it can be good to flank while cutting using deep footwork. Still I think both men did a really wonderful job. I knew a beginner once who used to frustrate us because his footwork and guard changes were so effective at controling the center! We can see from this video how it can be used to prevent your opponent targeting you! Great job Phil !!!! Cheers from Australia!!!

Absolutely enjoyed this! Great skills on both sides! Thank you!

Once again, fantastic video! So fun to watch.

“HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?”

@jestfullgremblim8002

3 жыл бұрын

"HAIE!! HAIE!! HAIE!!"

Great video! Lot's of great technique on display here!

This was exciting to watch, both have improved!

Pretty decent form for an Ikkyu. Nice video gents.

Great Job Guys! Really enjoyed it.

Your guy's stances are incredible, great video.

It always does my heart good to see 2 different traditions sharing and growing together

Awesome forms and clean af fights, thank you!

this is awesome, I really enjoyed watching it. very entertaining.

Great experiments! The FPV camera is a cool idea! Hope you could make a review conversation video to let us know your feeling, technique or strategy improvements of both kendo and HEMA after several exchanges. I want to improve myself, too.

This is very cool but hear me out, do it on stand up paddleboard, with a rowwer on the back, add some archers with padded arrow heads.

Again, an awesome video :)

Hard work, fast movement. Awesome

So Cool. Great setting.

A tale of souls and swords, eternally retold

Awesome fights, hope you do more

This is really awesome.

4:05 that scene is soo cool.

I love seeing the difference between fighting styles.

Having a point counter or something would help. It is kind of hard to see when someone gets hit

Very good! I like how you had two people of approximately equal skill who were both aggressive. Nice to see the Japanese style and weapon do better for once, usually these go to the European style and sword. It's more about the person than anything else. A rematch with steel would be excellent!

@Coldpl4y3R

4 жыл бұрын

rematch with steel? you want some paramedics actions too? some hand and neck yielding was all that was missing..

@justsomeguy3931

4 жыл бұрын

​@@Coldpl4y3R Nah, they'd be OK. They're pros! Wear the best protective gear and remind everyone that it's friendly sparring. I'm aware longsword type weapons are one of the best ways to get hurt in HEMA etc. If we could clone them, and use real swords - in the name of Science! That'd settle this debate lolz As with all dangerous sports like football and soccer, first-aid should be standing by. Professionals are always preferably. I played football, one of the most dangerous sports on earth. The ambulance was waiting to take kids off the field to the hospital, man. I saw a few friends and other team people go that route, all messed up - one of whom injured as revenge for a comrade... I made it out unscathed, but it was the most dangerous activity I've ever done. Not Karate, not any kind of fencing (including a lot with Kendo, Kenjutsu, and Iadio people - before I learned anything of them), not the shooting of guns and wearing one all day, nor shooting Uzis and such at a birthday party with a bunch of us 9 or 11 year old kids - blasting Barney and Barbies to oblivion. Nope, it was football I said all that to say this. HEMA is a looot safer than football (American, to y'all across the Pond!). I think safely blunted steel swords in the hands of these 2 clearly skilled, respectful, and fully controlled people, would still be less risky than what I grew up watching the NFL do - and did in high school Just my opinion. Also, even if people were harmed, would that make it any less great of sparring, from the purely martial view? And as always, safety first. Pain and discomfort are OK, injury and damage are not. Beyond not being able to train, it's just not cool. I'd rather get hurt, than accidentally hurt my sparring partner. I've sparred with things more dangerous than these guys are using, for several hours, in a confined space with random objects, with only an Amateur skill level for both of us (not Beginners or Noobz) - instead of these Professionals or Experts (who am I to judge?) in this video. No injuries! So no, I don't want anyone to get hurt :) I do think it's possible to make one's self so safe that they are not combat or training effective. I know there's sword safety rules and ones for Melee in general. I'm a gun guy, and these are the "big boy" rules that I use - only for those who have earned them: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mp58u7t9g6_Snqg.html&t

Man I could watch these sparring matchups pitting different styles against each other until the end of time. This is fascinating see!

Really would love to see you guys do this bout with steel someday. It would be interesting to see if the longsword can bind up the katana and exploit its reach. Something else I've noticed from watching kendo vs hema videos is that kendo's swift, rapid strikes tend to overwhelm and catch hands/arms easily. Could Hema borrow this technique?

@philswiftHEMA

4 жыл бұрын

Kendo really trains for forearm or hand snipes. Hema folks do it too. Generally the shinai is faster cause its lighter, in addition to being in the hands of a skilled kendoka.

Can you guys compete with judges? I get having fun but I wanna see these eastern sabers simply being used as mixed weapons category.

Kendo Guy is BadAss!!!! ⚔️ Good show to both swordsman. Thanks for the performance! 👏✌️🌎📡🛸🇺🇸😎

Good fights. You both did very well. Nice to see people dont get locked to their styles, but try different opponents.

If you are starting out rewatch and pay close attention to the stances, changing guards and footwork. When you change your guard you are still controling the center. I really was impressed when the longsword kept up with Kendos rapid striking. Kendo keeps things simple and highly effective. The longsword has many advantages however!!! For example its ability to protect the hands or cut in two directions or even blook with the edge.

I don't know much about hema but I could tell this guy is fighting the italian style, 1:28 this stance is so iconic even to a layman

Super video👍👍

Thank you for the part two! Please add more slow mo like in the first vid.

@philswiftHEMA

4 жыл бұрын

sounds good! will do! Stay tuned for video 3! with STEEL swords haha

@thiccboi156

4 жыл бұрын

@@philswiftHEMA Thanks! Don't worry, I got the Bell notification ON. Can't wait.

Awesome match.

@philswiftHEMA

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, we did better once we got used to fencing against each other's different styles. The first match was rough, because that was literally the first time we ever sparred against each other's style.

Loving it

I kind of want to put Wilson Humphries in pants so I can clearly compare the foot work.

@olivenuttall5632

3 жыл бұрын

Kendoka often use the hakama to disguise their movement, so it’s part of the style of fighting.

Fantastic sparring to watch = D Really makes me think about trying out something like this. I'm a cook so I'm used to nicks and bruises along with burns. Also in pretty good shape from it. Thank you for your inspiration!

The music is a nice touch

The kendo garb conceals much of the footwork. Shady. I get it now.

Excellent use of the low guard. This position is like holding your sword under water ready to sweep up. Very good for keeping yourself loose and ready. I noticed that as the fight went on I thought the match went to Phil. Although I thought Wilson was solid and came out leading. That often happens in a match. The one that starts well can be cleaned up in the end....

nice vid, nice fight like the location

Seeing some of the techniques used is quite interesting. I rather enjoyed this video

I would like to see steel matches. There is a katana-style feder available, but best of all would be capped/rolled tipped blunts for both. Blade shape and geometry is huge for both styles.

@philswiftHEMA

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, we are planning on purchasing the Katana from Castille or Alchem depending on what we can get by fundraising or KZread :) I can't wait for that.

I train German longsword (PvD), which is very Winden-heavy. I like doing a lot from the bind. When I faced a Kendo guy once, it was simply impossible to do any technique from the bind because of the Shinai, that was pretty annoying. Another thing I noticed fencing against Kendoka is that they have trouble moving away from their competition-minded attitude when fencing, favouring the score over being safe and not being hit. In the best case (for them), those moves resulted in a double hit (often more damaging for them than for me: he hit my wrist, I stabbed his throat). Worst case, they'd just impale themselves with my point in Langort. Still, Kendoka can really keep you on your toes. Really recommend to everybody to try sparring with one if they get the chance (same goes for sparring with olympic style sports fencers)

@Usersunited

2 жыл бұрын

it's also worth noting how a lot of kendo strikes in the follow up of a clash would have questionable edge alignment if they were using an actual katana.

@Zraknul

Жыл бұрын

It's a touch sport fighting system, so yeah there's all kinds of questionable adaptations to work the ruleset. Throw both combatants into real combat with sharp blades and armor circa 1300-1400 and it looks radically different.

Cool fight, it would be awesome that the points where counted in the screen, maybe with little swords in the corner's

Pretty damn interesting!

I think the sun part is very interesting since the surrounding environment during the fight was propably equal part of the outcome of the fight as skill.

Itd be great to see an updated version with something like the SIGI katanas

Finely done gents.

Now that's alot of damage!

Both warriors did their arts proud. Loved the techniques and the location! There is something about traveling somewhere special and training and sparring on site rather then in a hall.

Wait, is this guy the "that's a lot of damage" phil swift? Cuz that's a lot of damage

@oakenmind

3 жыл бұрын

If you'd take two seconds to look at the channel you'd see it's not...

@jestfullgremblim8002

3 жыл бұрын

@@oakenmind he was joking

Samurai vs knight...awesooome ♡♡

Damn this looks so fun! I think I’m gonna get together with some friends we’re just going to use motorcycle helmets and broomsticks.

@philswiftHEMA

4 жыл бұрын

Just don't thrust each other, and be very very careful please lol.

Hey man love this vid! Just a suggestion, maybe making edits for when a touch is made would make this video easier to watch and understand! I practice HEMA! But unfortunately it’s hard to follow what happens in the video. You illustrating the hits through pats does wonders though. Edit watching through the whole thing it’s way more obvious in the later bouts, especially with the chest cam shots

That is pretty cool! But just like in the last video, you should have edited it so that it would have a score. It's hard to keep track of how many hits landed who hit more.

Impressive

love the pokemon backpack in the background!

Hi like the vid. Can you point out the hits in after edit or a score system for us nubs thanks :+)

Nice video.

it is good to see some itto ryu techs.

That was an awesome video to watch. While I'm not an expert, I did notice that the kendo practitioner seemed to keep wonderful control over the center line. It seemed that every time Swift moved in for a straight forward attack, that shinai was right there in his face, threatening him with a short cut to the face. I'm sure there's a variety of techniques, but Kendo by what I've seen seems to focus on that down the middle slash while remaining in the same position where Hema will go for various angles and switch their blade position frequently. Basically, HEMA looks far more varied to me, but Kendo's simplicity has an effectiveness that spoke for itself.

@spikem5950

2 жыл бұрын

The main issue with Kendo's simplicity and effectiveness is that it's designed specifically for sport and competition, and really only with the shinai. In reality Kendo's moveset is not made with the katana in mind like Kenjutsu is, and if they were using real steel swords Kendo would never have proper edge alignment. HEMA on the other hand is more like Kenjutsu, it's using techniques and method for live warfare with the weapons of war of its period in mind. No hate towards Kendo, I think it's a great discipline and respect its practitioners, but it doesn't feel like an equivalent to HEMA. More akin to modern-day foil fencing imo. I think Kenjutsu would be a much better MA to match up against HEMA.

@Ianmar1

2 жыл бұрын

@@spikem5950 If Leichtenauer, or Fiore, or Meyer or one of these longsword masters had developed a sport to keep swordsmen honest about what is and is not possible I would hope that the HEMA community would take that seriously.

@arkle111

2 жыл бұрын

@@spikem5950 I agree with most of what you said, although in terms of edge alignment, you must have it correctly to score in kendo(denoted by the string on top of the shinai). Furthermore, in kendo you do train with bokken, which are analogous to the length of a katana, however you don't spare with them and instead stick to kata.

Интересно смотреть на дуэли такого формата

this is one of the few watchable/enjoyable mixed style sword fighting video! Many others are just amateurs hacking and bashing away, unbearable to watch. These two players have above average skills, from the video, the kendo guy is either a good 3rd Dan, or a 4 or 5th dan who doesn't practice too regularly. Nice video! Keep it up!

Would more sweeping/arc or flowing actions with wide cuts perhaps be more effective against a Kendoka as opposed to half-cut motions? Maybe something out of Meyer's playbook? Though I read somewhere that Kendo was meant to counter against wider striking patterns? It seems that the HEMA guy is a bit sluggish relative to the Kendoka bombarding the HEMA guy with rapid fire snapping strikes.

"How to Deal with Langort 101" - Meyerists

This was so messy lol luv it

Looks like fun

This needs to be a sport.

@umcaraqualquer3640

4 жыл бұрын

It is, though.

Are great swords allowed in this? Like a German great sword and a Japanese nodachi?

Great video. Soul Calibur 7 looks pretty good.

@forickgrimaldus8301

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like DMCV to me.

i love the battle calls

Nice! :)

Eh. Ikkyu is the grade you get with about 3 months of training full time (or less). I feel like a fairer fight would have to be against someone 2 dan or above. Kendokas at even higher levels are absolutely nuts. This guy isn't taking advantage of having free control of the center at all. Never goes for tsuki and strikes are far too slow.

I'm not crazy about the music, but this is good martial arts content.

That's so cool, could you guys spar with mages and magicians next?

Cool