Peter Thiel on Political Theology | Conversations with Tyler

In this conversation recorded live in Miami, Tyler and Peter Thiel dive deep into the complexities of political theology, including why it’s a concept we still need today, why Peter’s against Calvinism (and rationalism), whether the Old Testament should lead us to be woke, why Carl Schmitt is enjoying a resurgence, whether we’re entering a new age of millenarian thought, the one existential risk Peter thinks we’re overlooking, why everyone just muddling through leads to disaster, the role of the katechon, the political vision in Shakespeare, how AI will affect the influence of wordcels, Straussian messages in the Bible, what worries Peter about Miami, and more.
Recorded February 21st, 2024
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  • @user-wu9nc1hq7o
    @user-wu9nc1hq7oАй бұрын

    peter on thumbnail. im in

  • @lakshitchopra758
    @lakshitchopra758Ай бұрын

    Peter Thiel is a bona fide polymath! :)

  • @harrison6082
    @harrison6082Ай бұрын

    It's nice to hear Peter's latest ideas and perspective. 9:00 14:47 16:59 19:58 35:28 49:15 53:35 56:55 1:01:02 1:03:56 1:15:18 1:16:26 1:19:28

  • @AlexMacGregor
    @AlexMacGregor15 күн бұрын

    Great discussion!

  • @_1jay
    @_1jayАй бұрын

    No (direct) questions about aging tech? "I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. " Peter Thiel, 2007 The Education of a Libertarian

  • @levimk101
    @levimk101Ай бұрын

    I always find learning a bit about different languages really worthwhile. You see how you can think differently about familiar problems, think about the language’s design tradeoffs, trying to breakdown problems in new ways, and other interesting learning experiences.

  • @davidkey4272
    @davidkey4272Ай бұрын

    Whoah! Where did this come from. This just made my day

  • @JohnVandivier
    @JohnVandivier10 күн бұрын

    That part when Peter recited TULIP ❤

  • @colastaylor2055
    @colastaylor205528 күн бұрын

    Excellent video, ties back in the foundational principle that you want to be consciously consistently criticising your established perception of yourself

  • @andreferretti7087
    @andreferretti7087Ай бұрын

    How did no one ask Peter's opinion on the public debt bubble (and money printing)? He even explicitly linked the US in the 2020s to the Weimar Republic in the 1920s!

  • @thomasp.1828
    @thomasp.1828Ай бұрын

    Spartan dress. Peter's neck is very sculptable.

  • @andrewhooper7603

    @andrewhooper7603

    Ай бұрын

    ​@gregb954 🤞

  • @FeterPrahm

    @FeterPrahm

    Ай бұрын

    ​@gregb954yeah he doesn't look particularly healthy

  • @SP-ye8hj

    @SP-ye8hj

    Ай бұрын

    Pretty gay dude

  • @resurrectingexcellence

    @resurrectingexcellence

    Ай бұрын

    He's probably got aids

  • @user-ql4ud9zr7m

    @user-ql4ud9zr7m

    Ай бұрын

    It looks ugly , not sculptable

  • @andrewhooper7603
    @andrewhooper7603Ай бұрын

    They should have pressed him on automations effects on the working class.

  • @libaax1342
    @libaax1342Ай бұрын

    There is this dualism in Peter, "fight" on one side against world control/existential risks relating to "one partysms"/control AND investments in Palantir enable control/collection of data that facilitate the existential risks he is "fighting".

  • @FeterPrahm

    @FeterPrahm

    Ай бұрын

    while I appreciate his philosophical insights, I dislike the companies he invests in

  • @julianjdogg

    @julianjdogg

    Ай бұрын

    It makes sense if you want to win. You bet on both sides.

  • @juanvaladez5703

    @juanvaladez5703

    18 күн бұрын

    He’s a hypocrite, it’s quite simple.

  • @skrrskrr3241

    @skrrskrr3241

    11 күн бұрын

    feter Phram haha stark

  • @r3dhand_
    @r3dhand_Ай бұрын

    Loved his point on the inversions of the new and old testament.

  • @r3dhand_

    @r3dhand_

    Ай бұрын

    Also the idea of being a greater victim than Christ being impossible is grand.

  • @user-ql4ud9zr7m
    @user-ql4ud9zr7mАй бұрын

    I understood half of it, where can I learn more?

  • @vanessa1569
    @vanessa1569Ай бұрын

    Again, why am I always surprised by Thiel? He’s a bit of an enigma.

  • @nickelmouse451

    @nickelmouse451

    Ай бұрын

    Wrapped in a sensual, sensual body

  • @WongTag

    @WongTag

    Ай бұрын

    In this world of ideologically motivated masses, he appears heterodox. I suspect more of us are similarly circumspect and wise if not as intelligent. It’s just not a behavior directly rewarded by our contemporary systems.

  • @reedjohnny4635
    @reedjohnny4635Ай бұрын

    1:21:46 "delve", Paul Graham isn't happy.

  • @danecjensen
    @danecjensen7 күн бұрын

    Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe) - 00:00 - Hello, Peter and Teller 00:06 - Political theologys importance in modern society 04:51 - Calvinism scapegoats God for mistakes 06:40 - Libertarianisms middle ground Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans 08:17 - Orthodox Christian views on Gods continuity with progressives 12:02 - Bronze Age pervert alternative, victimhood, Christian inspiration 17:02 - Powerful political division explains Berlin Wall collapse 20:03 - Predicting liberalisms collapse in Weimar, West Germany 23:11 - Millenarianism and apocalyptic fears 26:33 - Eschatological fear of oneworld totalitarian government 30:03 - US becoming more federalistic, authoritarian, chaotic 31:18 - Peace and safety over global chaos 36:05 - Muddling through Antiintellectual distrust, distrust in human agency 37:08 - Catacomb mysterious force that restrains oneworld state 41:06 - Lutheranisms emphasis on human agency 44:06 - Shakespeares characters differing worldviews 46:54 - Shakespearean Brutuss role in Julius Caesars conspiracy 49:13 - AIs impact on society, Silicon Valleys failure 50:07 - Predicting AIs impact on math 53:23 - Questions about AIs impact on society 56:53 - Personalities hedgehog, fox, and crypto 59:46 - Physicist Nick Bostrom explains why he supports longworld government 01:01:39 - Straussian messages in political theology 01:05:08 - Star Treks centralized future 01:07:48 - Utility in postmodern world 01:08:11 - Lincolns political religion and personal history 01:09:11 - Competitive track and field led to Stanford success 01:09:23 - New York Citys top law firm Everybody wanted in 01:09:35 - Struggling with medic crisis, scaling Teal Fellowship 01:12:44 - Machiavellian influence in Silicon Valley 01:13:26 - Walmarts antiunion tactics in the 2000s 01:17:36 - AIs centralization and stagnation 01:21:09 - Future doubling down on AI 01:21:22 - Silicon Valleys role in world order 01:23:48 - Miamis local governance needs improvement 01:24:09 - Miamis Georgist Real Estate 01:25:16 - AIs role in politics and theology 01:26:57 - What is the model generated?

  • @bikerbhutani

    @bikerbhutani

    Күн бұрын

    You are a hero

  • @MetricsOfMeaning
    @MetricsOfMeaningАй бұрын

    11:59 BAP Yarvin Hazony connection very relevant

  • @dmystfy
    @dmystfyАй бұрын

    His answer to the question at 10:07 was unexpected!

  • @ryankane9500
    @ryankane9500Ай бұрын

    "optimistic boomer libertarian like you" only real miladys felt this one

  • @JusticeConder
    @JusticeConderАй бұрын

    Secular christianity

  • @nathanngumi8467
    @nathanngumi8467Ай бұрын

    Great discussion and questions!

  • @sakurachristineito6428
    @sakurachristineito642816 күн бұрын

    If you close your eyes, his voice sounds like Mark Zuckerberg...how come all Silicon Valley entrepreneurs talk the same way? It's like they're the same AI programmed software installed in different robots

  • @sebastianaguiarbrunemeier9192
    @sebastianaguiarbrunemeier9192Ай бұрын

    In which Thiel reinvents himself as a Biblical scholar

  • @junkscience6397

    @junkscience6397

    20 күн бұрын

    Still FAR more fact filled than your empty comment....

  • @wil3
    @wil3Ай бұрын

    peter is the closest thing we have to niccolò machiavelli in these times. Always a pleasure to hear from him

  • @VisibleTrouble
    @VisibleTroubleАй бұрын

    39:00 - Mistaking Properties for Features- he will make the same mistake… too smart to not know.

  • @ASwagPecan
    @ASwagPecanАй бұрын

    Max Azzarello send anyone else here?

  • @veronicapadilla7912

    @veronicapadilla7912

    Ай бұрын

    not just you lol

  • @FionaHuang-xh7nw
    @FionaHuang-xh7nwАй бұрын

    Peter Thiel

  • @morganp7238
    @morganp7238Ай бұрын

    Is Thiel ill or just thinning up? I hope it is the latter. He was not in good shape.

  • @brycewaddell5673

    @brycewaddell5673

    Ай бұрын

    He’s on diabetic meds

  • @kevinlong4657

    @kevinlong4657

    Ай бұрын

    maybe his blood boy is on vacation

  • @HiberNAT

    @HiberNAT

    Ай бұрын

    Ozempic face 👀

  • @Neight0

    @Neight0

    16 күн бұрын

    TRT also, perhaps. Not a criticism, just an observation of his neck/clavicular tension, and skin complexion in that area. Particularly common with exogenous hormone use.

  • @MarsBorg
    @MarsBorgАй бұрын

    Thetan Speil - Ameropath

  • @healthymealthy775
    @healthymealthy775Ай бұрын

    Catacon? did I get that right?

  • @austinjensen8464

    @austinjensen8464

    Ай бұрын

    *Katechon

  • @IslamicRageBoy
    @IslamicRageBoyАй бұрын

    First

  • @61757
    @61757Ай бұрын

    Chatgpt said, when i asked if Kamala would cone with a market crash, it replied, we cannot say anything bad about the vice president....AI not so smart

  • @RozkminaRozwojowa
    @RozkminaRozwojowaАй бұрын

    Zero to One - fantastic!!!!

  • @shannon-daygrant8754
    @shannon-daygrant8754Ай бұрын

    are the prostitute and bank robber equivalent? re: 1:15 ish...because from a libertarian perspective (like Thiels) isn't the prostitute morally superior to the bank robber? unless he was talking about it from Rosa Luxembourg's pov...

  • @maxsebastian
    @maxsebastianАй бұрын

    He needs to lay off the ozempic

  • @jaythefox
    @jaythefoxАй бұрын

    Ayn Rand wasn't Jewish, she was Greek.

  • @cristianst85

    @cristianst85

    Ай бұрын

    In a sense, yes. Because her philosophy was much influenced of Aristotle.

  • @nah8845
    @nah8845Ай бұрын

    As much as Thiel is an anti-communist, I am an anti-libertarian/anti-liberal. However, even though I essentially disagree on probably most everything, I'm quite struck at how much more of an intellectual Thiel is in comparison to his billionaire contemporaries. At minimum, I appreciate his thoroughness and depth in intellectual pursuits and that at least inspires me to take my own intellectual pursuits more seriously so as to be able to have even more profound and well versed counter-logic to his what I believe to be heinous and evil conception of humanity, liberalism, and the "meaning" of life.

  • @faisalk.7520

    @faisalk.7520

    18 күн бұрын

    Agreed. I don't agree with all of Peter Thiels core values, but some of his takes on the world is refreshing. At the same time, I may be too dumb to realize if it's all for show to manipulate people.

  • @curtissnow9546

    @curtissnow9546

    6 күн бұрын

    Crazy how he isn’t just a strawman based on your preconceived notions of what libertarianism means. The state is the enemy of freedom, it is the vehicle through which the criminals called “the elite” maintain their status on control on those lower than them century by century. Capitalism is a threat to their control because innovation and entrepreneurship create competition, societal change, quality of life standards (and expectations), and independence from government control. Please read the road to serfdom, they have blinded us with lies and comfort while they build a cage to trap us in

  • @jennetal.984
    @jennetal.984Ай бұрын

    Can you just drop Karl Schmitt’s name and not expect a phone call from your donors?

  • @harbifm766766
    @harbifm766766Ай бұрын

    He lost a lot of weight..hpefully not because of a cell growth mutation

  • @timothybrosz7697
    @timothybrosz7697Ай бұрын

    how would he ever talk to a student

  • @kbkesq

    @kbkesq

    Ай бұрын

    Assign reading to be completed before the conversation. Student wouldn’t have to know everything he knows as a 50-something.

  • @carlosmanueljager169

    @carlosmanueljager169

    Ай бұрын

    Poor Tyler

  • @kyleward5249
    @kyleward5249Ай бұрын

    Dang, Perhaps my view of Peter was ill informed previously because I thought as a successful entrepreneur he was more of an original thinker. And maybe it was due to the line of questioning but it seemed he was either plugging other world views with the constant combatants of how he can't quite subscribe to a certain existing theology. Or he was trying to avoid the soapbox. He just decided for whatever reason to not turn and face a more conclusive perspective. What do I know maybe originality is unachievable

  • @MetricsOfMeaning

    @MetricsOfMeaning

    Ай бұрын

    His reasoning is very via negativa, or apophatic. He inducts from and toward the negative of concepts, rather than over stretching and affirming a concepts existence. It’s why he’s libertarian, he’s anti holistic systematic methods that positively asserts.

  • @matthewlee7287

    @matthewlee7287

    Ай бұрын

    Peter is a student of Rene Girard whose entire philosophy revolved around mimesis and imitation. I have a feeling Peter doesn't believe it's that possible or easy to be truly original. He probably subscribes to the idea that imitation is fundamental to our nature.

  • @PatricioCansecoOrozco
    @PatricioCansecoOrozco12 күн бұрын

    Peter Thiel has gone crazy. Now he only speaks about god and politics. I miss when he used to talk about tech and businesses.

  • @kbkesq
    @kbkesqАй бұрын

    I’m here to hear if Peter thinks the end of the world is here. A few years ago he pooh poohed AI but now it’s a huge factor. He had vision moving palantir out of California specifically San Francisco and just look at how bad Google is with employees revolting to support Hamas. Look at universities from top to bottom failing.

  • @g.o.9513
    @g.o.9513Ай бұрын

    Peter is probably the highest level in Helldivers 2

  • @cherylwilder7369
    @cherylwilder7369Ай бұрын

    Read the book of Revelation in the Bible...the pages are litterally unfolding on the world stage...only God himself would have known the future..Jesus is coming back soon

  • @spiralizing
    @spiralizingАй бұрын

    Yikes

  • @ubergenie6041
    @ubergenie6041Ай бұрын

    So Theil seems to understand the incoherence of Calvinism 😮 Theology proper must ask about the nature of god. Instead we get an interview that runs through,”Why aren’t you x, why aren’t you y, so then are you z?” Very pedantic. Why not start with what we think we know to be true about the nature of god if such a being exists and then move towards the organization of societies given god’s nature and also man’s condition in god’s world? How does this get to the central religious questions: Where did we come from? Where are we going when we die? How should we live our lives morally if there is indeed an objective source of morality? How do I relate to god? How do we organize a society that operates the way god would want me us to?

  • @tuckerbugeater

    @tuckerbugeater

    Ай бұрын

    cope

  • @matthewjnyman

    @matthewjnyman

    Ай бұрын

    Very much agree on your preference for the discussion. Would have liked to see this too. On your intro comment, I think Calvin-ism has become a dissection of parts stretched to extremes. But could you say that Calvin's views don't share the same degree of incoherence?

  • @DanHowardMtl
    @DanHowardMtlАй бұрын

    Daniel was written after the fact pretending to be prophetic.

  • @juanvaladez5703

    @juanvaladez5703

    18 күн бұрын

    Yeah ok demon. The jig is up!

  • @burtonsankeralli5445
    @burtonsankeralli5445Ай бұрын

    AI can render the Anti Christ superfluous.

  • @andrewhooper7603

    @andrewhooper7603

    Ай бұрын

    Elaborate

  • @burtonsankeralli5445

    @burtonsankeralli5445

    Ай бұрын

    @@andrewhooper7603 AI may soon be able to do everything tbe antiChrist does and better

  • @oath4717

    @oath4717

    20 күн бұрын

    ai could manifest as the Antichrist, as most AI is woke, like chatgpt, and opposes morality and religion itself

  • @juanvaladez5703

    @juanvaladez5703

    18 күн бұрын

    @@burtonsankeralli5445 like what? Provide a specific example.

  • @davidanalyst671
    @davidanalyst67116 күн бұрын

    Peter Thiel said he wasn't a calvinist because of a philosophy book written by Girard. Thiel just used a philosophy book to judge a religious book. That doesn't even make sense.

  • @tripp8833
    @tripp8833Ай бұрын

    He's really worried about a one-world state... How exactly is that going to work with Iran, Israel, US, China, Saudi Arabia? They're just going to wake up and decide to get along one day?

  • @hcharton5722
    @hcharton5722Ай бұрын

    Talk about being in your own head, wow.

  • @SP-ml9je
    @SP-ml9jeАй бұрын

    he does not look well...

  • @juanvaladez5703
    @juanvaladez570318 күн бұрын

    He looks demonic.

  • @mandyshanks2327
    @mandyshanks2327Ай бұрын

    Is he speaking English? No idea what he is talking about.

  • @schwajj

    @schwajj

    Ай бұрын

    It’s extremely comprehensible, for the most part. Most likely you’re missing relevant background (as I am on some of the theological points, eg: Calvinism).

  • @timothybrosz7697
    @timothybrosz7697Ай бұрын

    does he know anything ... just lucky he made a lot of money

  • @Analyst2019pro

    @Analyst2019pro

    Ай бұрын

    Dude he’s a Stanford law grad hahaha

  • @loremipsum685
    @loremipsum685Ай бұрын

    saying "the woke" non-ironically is not only utterly cringe but utterly out of touch

  • @AnilSardemann
    @AnilSardemannАй бұрын

    Whataboutism: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism?wprov=sfla1