Peter Thiel on Political Theology | Conversations with Tyler
In this conversation recorded live in Miami, Tyler and Peter Thiel dive deep into the complexities of political theology, including why it’s a concept we still need today, why Peter’s against Calvinism (and rationalism), whether the Old Testament should lead us to be woke, why Carl Schmitt is enjoying a resurgence, whether we’re entering a new age of millenarian thought, the one existential risk Peter thinks we’re overlooking, why everyone just muddling through leads to disaster, the role of the katechon, the political vision in Shakespeare, how AI will affect the influence of wordcels, Straussian messages in the Bible, what worries Peter about Miami, and more.
Recorded February 21st, 2024
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peter on thumbnail. im in
Peter Thiel is a bona fide polymath! :)
It's nice to hear Peter's latest ideas and perspective. 9:00 14:47 16:59 19:58 35:28 49:15 53:35 56:55 1:01:02 1:03:56 1:15:18 1:16:26 1:19:28
Great discussion!
No (direct) questions about aging tech? "I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. " Peter Thiel, 2007 The Education of a Libertarian
I always find learning a bit about different languages really worthwhile. You see how you can think differently about familiar problems, think about the language’s design tradeoffs, trying to breakdown problems in new ways, and other interesting learning experiences.
Whoah! Where did this come from. This just made my day
That part when Peter recited TULIP ❤
Excellent video, ties back in the foundational principle that you want to be consciously consistently criticising your established perception of yourself
How did no one ask Peter's opinion on the public debt bubble (and money printing)? He even explicitly linked the US in the 2020s to the Weimar Republic in the 1920s!
Spartan dress. Peter's neck is very sculptable.
@andrewhooper7603
Ай бұрын
@gregb954 🤞
@FeterPrahm
Ай бұрын
@gregb954yeah he doesn't look particularly healthy
@SP-ye8hj
Ай бұрын
Pretty gay dude
@resurrectingexcellence
Ай бұрын
He's probably got aids
@user-ql4ud9zr7m
Ай бұрын
It looks ugly , not sculptable
They should have pressed him on automations effects on the working class.
There is this dualism in Peter, "fight" on one side against world control/existential risks relating to "one partysms"/control AND investments in Palantir enable control/collection of data that facilitate the existential risks he is "fighting".
@FeterPrahm
Ай бұрын
while I appreciate his philosophical insights, I dislike the companies he invests in
@julianjdogg
Ай бұрын
It makes sense if you want to win. You bet on both sides.
@juanvaladez5703
18 күн бұрын
He’s a hypocrite, it’s quite simple.
@skrrskrr3241
11 күн бұрын
feter Phram haha stark
Loved his point on the inversions of the new and old testament.
@r3dhand_
Ай бұрын
Also the idea of being a greater victim than Christ being impossible is grand.
I understood half of it, where can I learn more?
Again, why am I always surprised by Thiel? He’s a bit of an enigma.
@nickelmouse451
Ай бұрын
Wrapped in a sensual, sensual body
@WongTag
Ай бұрын
In this world of ideologically motivated masses, he appears heterodox. I suspect more of us are similarly circumspect and wise if not as intelligent. It’s just not a behavior directly rewarded by our contemporary systems.
1:21:46 "delve", Paul Graham isn't happy.
Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe) - 00:00 - Hello, Peter and Teller 00:06 - Political theologys importance in modern society 04:51 - Calvinism scapegoats God for mistakes 06:40 - Libertarianisms middle ground Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans 08:17 - Orthodox Christian views on Gods continuity with progressives 12:02 - Bronze Age pervert alternative, victimhood, Christian inspiration 17:02 - Powerful political division explains Berlin Wall collapse 20:03 - Predicting liberalisms collapse in Weimar, West Germany 23:11 - Millenarianism and apocalyptic fears 26:33 - Eschatological fear of oneworld totalitarian government 30:03 - US becoming more federalistic, authoritarian, chaotic 31:18 - Peace and safety over global chaos 36:05 - Muddling through Antiintellectual distrust, distrust in human agency 37:08 - Catacomb mysterious force that restrains oneworld state 41:06 - Lutheranisms emphasis on human agency 44:06 - Shakespeares characters differing worldviews 46:54 - Shakespearean Brutuss role in Julius Caesars conspiracy 49:13 - AIs impact on society, Silicon Valleys failure 50:07 - Predicting AIs impact on math 53:23 - Questions about AIs impact on society 56:53 - Personalities hedgehog, fox, and crypto 59:46 - Physicist Nick Bostrom explains why he supports longworld government 01:01:39 - Straussian messages in political theology 01:05:08 - Star Treks centralized future 01:07:48 - Utility in postmodern world 01:08:11 - Lincolns political religion and personal history 01:09:11 - Competitive track and field led to Stanford success 01:09:23 - New York Citys top law firm Everybody wanted in 01:09:35 - Struggling with medic crisis, scaling Teal Fellowship 01:12:44 - Machiavellian influence in Silicon Valley 01:13:26 - Walmarts antiunion tactics in the 2000s 01:17:36 - AIs centralization and stagnation 01:21:09 - Future doubling down on AI 01:21:22 - Silicon Valleys role in world order 01:23:48 - Miamis local governance needs improvement 01:24:09 - Miamis Georgist Real Estate 01:25:16 - AIs role in politics and theology 01:26:57 - What is the model generated?
@bikerbhutani
Күн бұрын
You are a hero
11:59 BAP Yarvin Hazony connection very relevant
His answer to the question at 10:07 was unexpected!
"optimistic boomer libertarian like you" only real miladys felt this one
Secular christianity
Great discussion and questions!
If you close your eyes, his voice sounds like Mark Zuckerberg...how come all Silicon Valley entrepreneurs talk the same way? It's like they're the same AI programmed software installed in different robots
In which Thiel reinvents himself as a Biblical scholar
@junkscience6397
20 күн бұрын
Still FAR more fact filled than your empty comment....
peter is the closest thing we have to niccolò machiavelli in these times. Always a pleasure to hear from him
39:00 - Mistaking Properties for Features- he will make the same mistake… too smart to not know.
Max Azzarello send anyone else here?
@veronicapadilla7912
Ай бұрын
not just you lol
Peter Thiel
Is Thiel ill or just thinning up? I hope it is the latter. He was not in good shape.
@brycewaddell5673
Ай бұрын
He’s on diabetic meds
@kevinlong4657
Ай бұрын
maybe his blood boy is on vacation
@HiberNAT
Ай бұрын
Ozempic face 👀
@Neight0
16 күн бұрын
TRT also, perhaps. Not a criticism, just an observation of his neck/clavicular tension, and skin complexion in that area. Particularly common with exogenous hormone use.
Thetan Speil - Ameropath
Catacon? did I get that right?
@austinjensen8464
Ай бұрын
*Katechon
First
Chatgpt said, when i asked if Kamala would cone with a market crash, it replied, we cannot say anything bad about the vice president....AI not so smart
Zero to One - fantastic!!!!
are the prostitute and bank robber equivalent? re: 1:15 ish...because from a libertarian perspective (like Thiels) isn't the prostitute morally superior to the bank robber? unless he was talking about it from Rosa Luxembourg's pov...
He needs to lay off the ozempic
Ayn Rand wasn't Jewish, she was Greek.
@cristianst85
Ай бұрын
In a sense, yes. Because her philosophy was much influenced of Aristotle.
As much as Thiel is an anti-communist, I am an anti-libertarian/anti-liberal. However, even though I essentially disagree on probably most everything, I'm quite struck at how much more of an intellectual Thiel is in comparison to his billionaire contemporaries. At minimum, I appreciate his thoroughness and depth in intellectual pursuits and that at least inspires me to take my own intellectual pursuits more seriously so as to be able to have even more profound and well versed counter-logic to his what I believe to be heinous and evil conception of humanity, liberalism, and the "meaning" of life.
@faisalk.7520
18 күн бұрын
Agreed. I don't agree with all of Peter Thiels core values, but some of his takes on the world is refreshing. At the same time, I may be too dumb to realize if it's all for show to manipulate people.
@curtissnow9546
6 күн бұрын
Crazy how he isn’t just a strawman based on your preconceived notions of what libertarianism means. The state is the enemy of freedom, it is the vehicle through which the criminals called “the elite” maintain their status on control on those lower than them century by century. Capitalism is a threat to their control because innovation and entrepreneurship create competition, societal change, quality of life standards (and expectations), and independence from government control. Please read the road to serfdom, they have blinded us with lies and comfort while they build a cage to trap us in
Can you just drop Karl Schmitt’s name and not expect a phone call from your donors?
He lost a lot of weight..hpefully not because of a cell growth mutation
how would he ever talk to a student
@kbkesq
Ай бұрын
Assign reading to be completed before the conversation. Student wouldn’t have to know everything he knows as a 50-something.
@carlosmanueljager169
Ай бұрын
Poor Tyler
Dang, Perhaps my view of Peter was ill informed previously because I thought as a successful entrepreneur he was more of an original thinker. And maybe it was due to the line of questioning but it seemed he was either plugging other world views with the constant combatants of how he can't quite subscribe to a certain existing theology. Or he was trying to avoid the soapbox. He just decided for whatever reason to not turn and face a more conclusive perspective. What do I know maybe originality is unachievable
@MetricsOfMeaning
Ай бұрын
His reasoning is very via negativa, or apophatic. He inducts from and toward the negative of concepts, rather than over stretching and affirming a concepts existence. It’s why he’s libertarian, he’s anti holistic systematic methods that positively asserts.
@matthewlee7287
Ай бұрын
Peter is a student of Rene Girard whose entire philosophy revolved around mimesis and imitation. I have a feeling Peter doesn't believe it's that possible or easy to be truly original. He probably subscribes to the idea that imitation is fundamental to our nature.
Peter Thiel has gone crazy. Now he only speaks about god and politics. I miss when he used to talk about tech and businesses.
I’m here to hear if Peter thinks the end of the world is here. A few years ago he pooh poohed AI but now it’s a huge factor. He had vision moving palantir out of California specifically San Francisco and just look at how bad Google is with employees revolting to support Hamas. Look at universities from top to bottom failing.
Peter is probably the highest level in Helldivers 2
Read the book of Revelation in the Bible...the pages are litterally unfolding on the world stage...only God himself would have known the future..Jesus is coming back soon
Yikes
So Theil seems to understand the incoherence of Calvinism 😮 Theology proper must ask about the nature of god. Instead we get an interview that runs through,”Why aren’t you x, why aren’t you y, so then are you z?” Very pedantic. Why not start with what we think we know to be true about the nature of god if such a being exists and then move towards the organization of societies given god’s nature and also man’s condition in god’s world? How does this get to the central religious questions: Where did we come from? Where are we going when we die? How should we live our lives morally if there is indeed an objective source of morality? How do I relate to god? How do we organize a society that operates the way god would want me us to?
@tuckerbugeater
Ай бұрын
cope
@matthewjnyman
Ай бұрын
Very much agree on your preference for the discussion. Would have liked to see this too. On your intro comment, I think Calvin-ism has become a dissection of parts stretched to extremes. But could you say that Calvin's views don't share the same degree of incoherence?
Daniel was written after the fact pretending to be prophetic.
@juanvaladez5703
18 күн бұрын
Yeah ok demon. The jig is up!
AI can render the Anti Christ superfluous.
@andrewhooper7603
Ай бұрын
Elaborate
@burtonsankeralli5445
Ай бұрын
@@andrewhooper7603 AI may soon be able to do everything tbe antiChrist does and better
@oath4717
20 күн бұрын
ai could manifest as the Antichrist, as most AI is woke, like chatgpt, and opposes morality and religion itself
@juanvaladez5703
18 күн бұрын
@@burtonsankeralli5445 like what? Provide a specific example.
Peter Thiel said he wasn't a calvinist because of a philosophy book written by Girard. Thiel just used a philosophy book to judge a religious book. That doesn't even make sense.
He's really worried about a one-world state... How exactly is that going to work with Iran, Israel, US, China, Saudi Arabia? They're just going to wake up and decide to get along one day?
Talk about being in your own head, wow.
he does not look well...
He looks demonic.
Is he speaking English? No idea what he is talking about.
@schwajj
Ай бұрын
It’s extremely comprehensible, for the most part. Most likely you’re missing relevant background (as I am on some of the theological points, eg: Calvinism).
does he know anything ... just lucky he made a lot of money
@Analyst2019pro
Ай бұрын
Dude he’s a Stanford law grad hahaha
saying "the woke" non-ironically is not only utterly cringe but utterly out of touch
Whataboutism: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism?wprov=sfla1