Peter Pan & Wendy is out on Disney+ for the Peter Pan live action re-imagining that no-one asked for and even fewer wanted. It was predicted what this movie would be like from the very first trailers, but I actually think it's worse. This video is a bit of a new style for a review video, a merge of sorts, so let me know what you think of it! Everyone was changed in this movie, Peter Pan was stripped of his heroic deeds, hook was turned into a whimpering emotional wreck, Wendy was turned into a super powered Rey imitation while Tinkerbell lost all her personality. Tiger Lily? Unfortunately stripped of any narrative reason to even be in the movie. This is simply an act of corrupt vandalism from creators who see the past as a list of problems to be "fixed". And yet when they do it, no-one, even the very critics ASKING for these changes, likes the results. Is it time to change? Let me know what you think of Peter Pan & Wendy down below, and as always, thanks for watching :)

@Invalidcookie-bv4cx

Жыл бұрын

It was always Wendy movie :p The writers took that away from "Wendy". Think back to the original, Wendy was the POV character, Peter was the 'hero' but it was from wendys POV. Wendy was the first Female they'd seen on Neverland. If anyone can be a LOST BOY then it doesn't matter that Wendy is there, init? The reason why they looked up to Wendy is because they were reminded of their mother. Even Hook wanted Wendy because the Pirates missed their mother. "Did they fix the problem of the old canon"? No. They destroyed the point to even have the movie. In attemt of making Wendy a Hero they made her, not the her no the hero 😂 😂

@thomasace2547

Жыл бұрын

Peter Pan was also Caucasian and Ginger Just another one for the Disney Gingercide graveyard

@whenpigsfly8178

Жыл бұрын

Work on that AI boys, then we can turn dross into gold. Suddenly all these bad movies can become good. (and vice versa too, unfortunately)

@theseusothership

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm They wanna say review bombing is just showing ones feeling when it's negative.... next they'll say when a movie bombs its actually a good movie!

@killgriffinnow

Жыл бұрын

3:00 "I suppose it doesn't really matter" They are telling boys that they don't matter. They are literally telling young children that their idenitity is worthless. Just understand the magnitude of horror that this generation is going to have to deal with.

The most under-represented group in Hollywood are people of talent.

@ArkhamsAngel13

Жыл бұрын

You said it.

@jackielogan9104

Жыл бұрын

talented writers being left out. imagine hiring writers who actually gave a fk about Disney classics.

@jwarrior9986

Жыл бұрын

Remember that white men need not apply...Sorry George Lucas, we have the genius of Kathleen Kennedy now!

@lumiauroras6741

Жыл бұрын

And gingers 😢

@subterranean327

Жыл бұрын

Talented folks deserve equity and inclusion too. Talented Lives Matter.

Wendy; a girl from the Early 1900s who acted like a modern day feminist...

@emhu2594

Жыл бұрын

A Disney corporate feminist is not an actual feminist.

@Darkshizumaru

Жыл бұрын

@@emhu2594 Even feminists no longer know what a feminist is, apparently it's defending men's right to act like stereotyped versions of women now... welcome to the madhouse kitten.

@antonioyeats2149

Жыл бұрын

Why do I get the feeling 1900s feminists acted pretty much the same anyway

@herekitty791

Жыл бұрын

@@antonioyeats2149 Because they did. Many of them pinned feathers of cowardice on soldiers who refused to enlist in the military edit: they also vandalized shops and buildings during protests

@herekitty791

Жыл бұрын

@@antonioyeats2149 And 1st wave granted women the vote without signing up for the Selective Service which remains to this day a massive privilege

The live action version for me will always be the one where Robin Williams played a Peter Pan as a jaded adult discovering what it meant to be a kid again. A message for children to not grow up too quickly and a message for adults don’t disconnect yourself from your childhood.

@Cheezitnator

Жыл бұрын

Also it had Dante Bosco.

@jedimasters1462

11 ай бұрын

​@@CheezitnatorAs well as Maggie Smith.

@nunyabidness674

11 ай бұрын

@@jedimasters1462 Also Dustin Hoffman, Bob Hoskins, and Phil Collins... Face it, every angle had talent thrown at it

@histguy101

11 ай бұрын

And the prequel, 2003's Peter Pan

@stuffzluvverz_7665

11 ай бұрын

@@Cheezitnator Thankfully in that movie he didn't get an adult that scarred him.

It’s baffling how they went from the 2003 live action to this. Never have I once thought Wendy was inadequate or lesser. she wasn’t a girl boss but she was dazzling. a young teen girl infatuated with Peter but graceful, compassionate adventurous and has such determination in everything she does.

@samcochran8203

11 ай бұрын

Well to be fair, the live action 2003 one wasn't made by disney, it was made by Universal of all studios I'm pretty sure

@GusJKlaus

11 ай бұрын

i find marvelous that Hollywood think that a good female character is a female with "toxic masculinity". For me, the female characters of old were usually so much more interesting than the male characters, exactly because they were, at the same time brave and vulnerable, look to mulan, Kida (atlantis), wendy. I always leaned toward the female characters back then... i love the 2003 live action with every atom of my body, cuz it felt so real, so profound, never read the original tale (i'm brazilian, so this is usually how we have contact with this tales), but i don't think it deviates from it, since the message about growing up is so well portrait there.

@sugarlacedoll

3 күн бұрын

@@samcochran8203 yea and was 100% better

They ruined Wendy's entire character. She was the matured one, the kind one, and the most loved person. She loved her brothers deeply and protected them from their father. She loved the Lost Boys despite their aggressive ways of playing and their stupid antics. And she loved Peter despite the fact that they have vastly different views about growing up and growing old. Wendy never screamed, was never violent, and never blamed anyone for her faults.

@EbonyPenmarks

Жыл бұрын

Wendy wasn’t a “tomboy” in the original Barrie text, but she did create the games John and Michael played. Her archetype should’ve been the “strategist” instead of “warrior.”

@frankvandorp2059

Жыл бұрын

@@EbonyPenmarks In the original movie, she was a tomboy in the way she played with her brothers, while remaining a very feminine girl at the same time. But the concept of a tomboy who is still very much a girl is probably too complex and confusing for the primitive lizard brains of modern Hollywood writers.

@ElasticGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

@@frankvandorp2059 Tomboys aren't allowed to be girls anymore. Now it's solid evidence they're "trans."

@tubetorpedo

Жыл бұрын

@@frankvandorp2059 That actually sounds like a tomboy. A girl grown up surrounded by brothers who can play boys games because he grew up surrounded by those her early life, but still has her femininity because that is her more natural side.

@ShadowJinxXOX

Жыл бұрын

I suppose in modern times a “Tomboy” is a girl with stereotypical boyish traits; aggressive, sloppy, head-strong, competitive, rough on the edges, etc.

"we made a native american woman a tomahawk wielding warrior because we're not racist" - Disney

@EbenezerEibenhardt

Жыл бұрын

**red man red song intensifies**

@HighLifeProds17

Жыл бұрын

Why can't minorities be portrayed like normal people with the appropriate amount of their culture for their personality and environment mixed in?

@chaos.corner

Жыл бұрын

Magic -negro- injun.

@retrowrath9374

Жыл бұрын

@@HighLifeProds17 Because they're being used as cultural and ideological weapons

@diamondminer5459

Жыл бұрын

@@HighLifeProds17 In the original, they actually kind of were. Well, “normal” in a relative sense. The whole idea of Neverland in the original was that it was the world from a child’s perspective, and this was back when kids played with “cowboys and Indians” action figures. The way I see it, the Indian tribe in the original was stereotypical, but not racist in a derogatory way.

I love how for Wendy her biggest dream was making money and dying alone. Like the saddest view for anyone to have. Its sadder how theyre really pushing the "independent woman" on little girls as if its wrong to depend on someone or to want a family.

@guillaumepalmer6684

11 ай бұрын

Single woman is a perfect consumer!

@deathlight4210

11 ай бұрын

I mean. Not wanting a family is not wrong (or giving birth) Everyone dies alone anyways. What is weird is that Wendy is having thoughts about that when in the original she didn’t.

@thirteen_candles9806

11 ай бұрын

@@deathlight4210 dying alone is a lot worse than dying surrounded by, or atleast being loved by your family..and either way clearly that's not the point they're making. Neither are wrong but independence is being pushed so hard it seems like living any other way is looked down upon.

@user-ew5pv1bd9q

10 ай бұрын

Ebenezer Scrooge who got the bad ending. Like modern promoted happiness is pretty much opposite of happiness in the past.

@valentinlageot4101

6 ай бұрын

@@guillaumepalmer6684 single anyone is a perfect consumer why would you want 2 people that buy for 1 make a couple. just make them divorce.

The thing is, in the original book Hook actually had a tragic backstory and an intricate connection with Peter Pan. He was a child in england and had an extremly strict upbringing. However, by character he was more of an aestetic. He was quite sensible and with high emotional intelligence being crushed by his rigorous and overbearing parents. He then fled from home to become a pirate, essentially fleeing into the opposite extreme. Later on he became the captain of the pirates and chanced upon neverland. And there he encountered Peter Pan, the very embodiment of carefree childhood, the embodiment of everything he so desperatly wished for when he was a child. However, Hook at this point is an adult and thus Peter Pan is utterly incapable of understanding Hook and just treats everything like a game. Even when he cuts off Hooks hand and feeds it to the crocodile it's just a game to him. And while this serves as the trigger, hooks obsession with Peter Pan is because of what Peter Pan represents.

When a little girl manages to physically repel three grown men with swords, you can tell this movie was made in the current day.

@scubasteve2189

Жыл бұрын

Reality: Slight repel. Stab, stab, stab. “Well, let’s have some lunch!”

@Aaron-qe9ms

Жыл бұрын

I hope [current day] ends soon...

@SamtheBravesFan

Жыл бұрын

​@It's Wesley At least with some anime you can suspend disbelief because you know the context.

@kingandrewcecil348

Жыл бұрын

And the worse part is that it makes no sense on any level, especially when there is no explanation whatsoever on how is that even possible 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦 It honestly wouldn't be so bad if we at least got an explanation that these little girls in question were trained in swordfight from their fathers/mothers from very young 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️🤷

@TheLikenessOfNormal

Жыл бұрын

@@kingandrewcecil348 You could have a 1,000 years experience in swordfighting. If you are a small child (boy or girl, but especially a girl because fun fact men and women are in fact different in inherent strength) you would never be able to overpower three grown men whom you had locked swords with. Peter Pan was a bit of an exception originally but that was because he never tried to engage in a contest of strength with his swordfighting, instead he used his flight to engage in unorthodox styles of attack from odd angles only he could pull off.

I love how in the original, the main theme was “Boys need to grow tf up.” …in the remake, its: “Girls can be f-king immature as well.”

@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher

Жыл бұрын

Some of whom wrote the movie

@EliasFinch

Жыл бұрын

Not just boys need to grow tf up, but it’s girls that help them do that.

@Tenchi707

Жыл бұрын

Either writers are dumb fucks or this is a brainwashing conspiracy, Disney is fucking their own shit up so there must be a sinister reason behind that. Brainwashing young people but what's the goal, to get them young in schools, colleges and brainwash them in schools and colleges and use media to facilitate that process to have control over them in the future hmmmm

@fantomforces

Жыл бұрын

Now, wahmens can be selfish f*ck boys who never grow up. Being a mother is so antiquated. Happy Mother's Day! 😄

@simpdefendmlady6579

Жыл бұрын

That makes the remake better 😂

These wretched remakes really make you appreciate the original classics for their good writing, charcater development, and life wisdom. I imagine the people who write these stories are young, unmarried, not well read, not part of a community, and have little experience of life. Or they are simply paid to check boxes.

It wasn't destroyed by fans, it was destroyed by Disney!

Disney is slowly, but steadily, going through its entire catalogue destroying every IP.

@tbc1880

Жыл бұрын

I mean yeah. After the 3rd time I figured this was intentional and not them being incompetent.

@thecloudtherapist

Жыл бұрын

And once they've finished with that, they will turn to all the cartoons and convert them into woke real-life action films 🤦‍♂️

@christopherm.7310

Жыл бұрын

It’s intentional. They hate you.

@draw2death421

Жыл бұрын

Only live action ive liked was Beauty and the beast but thats it and even that had problems like Emma Watson auto tuned singing for example lol.

@targgthewise2892

Жыл бұрын

And that is glorious!

My 11 year old is arguably one of the biggest Peter Pan fans I’ve ever known. He loves the original. He loves Hook. He loves every adaptation there is that he has seen. This came out 2 days before his birthday and he was looking forward to it. We sat down as a family and watched it. My wife, who does not spend much time on her phone, was on her phone 20 minutes in and just watched periodically. I kept waiting for it to get good. It didn’t. My 4 other kids were bored to tears. My Peter Pan fan was devastated. He hated it. He said it wasn’t fun. He said it was dark and dreary like the weather outside. He then spent about 30 minutes telling me everything he disliked about it. The best thing he said: it tried to be entertaining but I would rather watch a bear poop in the water

@tubetorpedo

Жыл бұрын

Bear pooping in the water would at least be interesting bit. Even based on trailers that Disney version of bear poop looks bleak and dreary, whole thing looks over washed and desolate, like blue gray desert, which is not even visually interesting, just mirthless.

@chriswhite2151

Жыл бұрын

Best review I have heard!

@TheSuperappelflap

Жыл бұрын

you should watch cocaine bear together in a couple years. i think 12 or 13 would be okay.

@ryanchall5333

Жыл бұрын

Your 11 year old is a young man of impeccable taste and culture. You're a good parent.

@corsairsofnarshaddaa

Жыл бұрын

Same experience with our 3 kids under 6. They _constantly_ ask to watch Hook and the original Peter Pan. We lost all of them less than 5min in. Who is this movie for?

When Captain Hook said "No man can defeat me" and Wendy said "I am no man" and she canceled him I cried 😭😭😭

“We need to update the racist origins of Peter Pan by injecting our modern day racism, misandry, and cultural Marxism.” *Seal clapping noises

Honestly, how was Wendy not already seen as a strong character? In the original she was a motherly figure who always stood her ground when faced with injustice. She was the one who drew from her experience in Neverland when she realized how awful it would be to never grow up and that change is inevitable but doesn't have to be bad. Wendy is not supposed to be a fighter. Her strengths are her bravery, humility, responsibility and emotional growth. When is Hollywood going to realize that strength comes in many forms? Also, what is up with her ending? This movie implies that she will die as a lonely old dried-up sock with no family of her own and that we're supposed to be happy for her because she can play a piano and has some typewriter-related job instead of being a mother (which was never implied to be her only profession in the source material at all). Is Disney trying to tell girls that giving birth and nurturing are sinful acts? Are they saying that children should think their mothers are weak for being mothers? Disney disgusts me. In the 2003 version, she got a much more satisfying ending, albeit very bittersweet, where she grew up, married, and had a daughter named Jane who also went on a life-changing adventure in Neverland (and the cycle continued with Jane's daughter Margaret). It was a beautiful moment that showed how even though we must all leave our childhood, we will never forget it.

@randomfools808

Жыл бұрын

They took out pretty much all of her motherly traits starting with that scene where she blames her brother. When she rises up, her happy thoughts do not involve starting a family. She grows old and is shown alone. Great message Disney.

@kingandrewcecil348

Жыл бұрын

Agree. In fact, in the 1953 animated classic, Wendy is in fact the reason what made the maturity-hating Peter Pan to finally put aside his dislike of growing up in favor of saving Wendy, John, Michael and the Lost Boys from Captain Hook and his pirate crew and taking the Darling siblings home despite Peter himself wanting them to stay in Neverland. Which means, ironically in the original cartoon Peter learned to grow up despite being an ageless kid thanks to Wendy, while his archenemy Captain Hook, despite being a grown adult, is the one who acts very childishly like a spoiled brat unlike Peter Pan himself. These haters are seriously missing the point of the 1953 animated classic 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦

@vetarlittorf1807

Жыл бұрын

@@kingandrewcecil348 I never saw Hook that way. I always thought of Hook as a symbolism of everything that Wendy feared about growing up and also a mental projection of her father issues (after all, the ending implies that Neverland was just a dream). The conflict between Peter and Hook is basically a battle between Wendy's childhood and adulthood. And with Hook defeated, Wendy is finally ready to grow up and reconciles with her father.

@vetarlittorf1807

Жыл бұрын

@@randomfools808 Exactly. In fact, it's quite common for eldest daughters to have maternal instincts. I don't know why Disney thinks it's sexist to be a mother. Heck, Walt Disney's mother is the reason why motherhood or absence of a mother was a recurring element in his films. Because he thought a mother's love was the most precious thing in the world.

@rozu7772

Жыл бұрын

​@@randomfools808 That's how the people pushing this movie see themselves. They know they are and will be miserable in the future, with little to no one to care about them. And like they say, misery loves company, and they hope this movie will inspire people to become their future company. If everyone lives like them, they can't be wrong!

The negative reviews for the movie are better than the movie itself.

@michaelsorensen7567

Жыл бұрын

Doubtless have better writing, more thought, and higher entertainment value

@bjornskivids

Жыл бұрын

Been that way for a couple of years now. The YT critics are far more entertaining than the content they're reviewing.

@ShaneDouglas713

Жыл бұрын

FACTS

@johnniB1110

Жыл бұрын

I was like dang movie ended , after reading it hahaha

@murdermatics

Жыл бұрын

More lucrative as well.

But wendy had agency in the original. She was the one that told Peter she would not go with him if her brothers did not come, she oppose to being the lost boys mother because she wanted to go home and didnt let herself be pushed around by them, when hook had captured everyone she stuck her nose up high as she walked the plank. She did things with her own free will and didnt let herself be bossed around by anyone because her motherly disposition. She was kind but knew when to be assertive.

"An exercise in drudgery" is not just a good review of the movie, it's a perfect summation of dealing with woke social colonization.

I just knew once they made Tinkerbell black, they would take away all of her flaws and complexities as a character. She's just perfect and nice the entire time, instead of vindictive and jealous like she's supposed to be. How are people supposed to be invested in a character if she's flawless and without any kind of arc or development?

@michaelcalvert6323

Жыл бұрын

Women can't be jealous and vindictive. It's not in their nature. It's 2023

@BigSplenda1885

Жыл бұрын

Because black woman cannot bad!!! Grr!

@theinsurance2450

Жыл бұрын

​@@michaelcalvert6323 Yep they are prefect. No flaws exist for them.

@brgessner

Жыл бұрын

So many women I know liked tinkerbell because shes a bit of a brat.

@diegofonseca6708

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelcalvert6323 nah it has to do with the fact that she’s black for the movie

When Tiger Lily turned to Wendy and asked, "Who are you?" and Wendy replied, "Rey Skywalker" I cried.

@mikerosoft1009

Жыл бұрын

Imagine if she said "I'm Peatress Pan." lol

@sovereignberserk1346

Жыл бұрын

It‘s pannin‘ time!

@ElasticGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

"I am Wendy Pan. Hear me screech."

@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097

Жыл бұрын

​@@mikerosoft1009 honestly, at this point, Peatress pan wouldn't necessarily be the worst thing, IMO. Consider that the main tragedy of Peter is one of not growing up - so the woke feminists would be forced to confront their own unwillingness to grow up, and to what it leads (e.g., inappropriate relations with minors). And if peatress does grow up, it would lead to the same realizations of Robin William's Peter pan: an adult has to compromise, be dutiful, be mindful of others, etc. - so if a wokeist were to realize that, it would be a first in cinema. And if you are saying, that's just a gender bend - yes, but in that case a necessary one, to use the "self-projection" character of Peatress pan as a mirror for the self-obsessed wokeists. And that only works if the character is an actual mirror. Of course, all would depend on who writes and directs peatress pan. But I could actually imagine something great and relevant to our time, if it was done by the right person.

My favourite part was when Peter said “sir, we can only do store credit”, and hook replied “IT’S MA’AM!!!”

@benjamincooper358

11 ай бұрын

@@David-nb8kqHo- I mean, you- you- what are you- you think somebody would just make stuff up on the Internet???..??

I love how review bombing just gets dismissed as some trolling tactic when it suits Disney/media outlets, as if a) it isn't a completely legitimate expression of audience dissatisfaction and b) there isn't a dearth of places for audiences to provide any sort of feedback to content creators to begin with

Don't know why Disney called this film "Peter Pan & Wendy" when it's blatantly obvious this film revolves around girlboss Wendy and nobody but girlboss Wendy.

@SiccDeville

Жыл бұрын

its like when they changed Hansel and Gretel to Gretel and Hansel to make a fallopian tube point.

@booshmcfadden7638

Жыл бұрын

The company believes that if they were honest, no one would test out their garbage productions. Which isn't true. They COULD have named the movie Wendy and people who enjoy girlbosses would go see it. But they have to lie, all the time, about literally everything.

@isaacpriestley

Жыл бұрын

It’s weird, because Wendy was already the main character of the original!

@StephenGillie

Жыл бұрын

They should have called the movie 'Wendy" and partnered with the fast food chain for a promotion - they could call it "Wendy's at Wendy's" and show her taking over a restaurant.

@mrbigglezworth42

Жыл бұрын

Because even if a story would primarily be about a man, it still needs to have a woman awkwardly shoved in. Like the upcoming Indiana Jones movie, with guest appearance by Indiana Jones.

My favourite part of this movie was when Disney lost millions of dollars

@chaos.corner

Жыл бұрын

The part of the plot I don't understand is when the board doesn't come in and boot everyone with a C at the beginning of their job title.

@salamander337

Жыл бұрын

They don't care. They say you were brain wash from the past films so they going to brain wash your children. This was made for them and the next generations.

@jwarrior9986

Жыл бұрын

Personally I think that is the best part of every Disney movie these days...red ink. Disney will soon be using ChatGPT to streamline the process of going broke.

@ElasticGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

@@jwarrior9986 ChatGPT likely has more human creative potential than Disney at this point.

@jwarrior9986

Жыл бұрын

@@ElasticGiraffe Not exactly a high bar 🤣

The worst part of the whole thing was just how Wendy basically thought Peter was problematic and hated him from the start. There were no fun antics or adventures in Neverland prior to the "conflict."

@marcohidalgo1101

Жыл бұрын

It's like they turned Wendy into Tinker Bell and Tinker Bell into Wendy. It's the Home Alone 4 syndrome, where they brought back Marv but he looked like Harry instead of the original Marv!

@amberkumar4514

Жыл бұрын

This is because the Wendy’s unreciprocated romantic feelings toward Peter were missing. It’s supposed to show that Wendy, as a girl, is a little more mature and Peter isn’t able to meet at her level. Removing the romance took away much of Wendy’s character arc, and the conflict between her and Tink and her and Tiger Lily. There’s no depth or value left in the story and we ultimately don’t learn anything about the world or ourselves.

Well put. As a woman who grew up with peter pan and Cinderella and all the other fairy tales and was completely unrepresented and literally lived through movies constantly calling me a terrorist I still adored the fairy tales as they were and even the stories of peter pan and the lost boys. I loved hook...I watched that movie sooo much through my childhood and never had a problem with it. It was a great story and had a decent moral to it. I think people today forget that movies back in the day actually had a moral to the tale.

@ajmachin1134

Жыл бұрын

And that is what the suits in Hollywood cannot understand ... because They have no morals!

@SK-nk3eu

Жыл бұрын

Yes and also why do these new adaptions act like women in the past were never strong or competent in their own rights? That we have to change them completly so that we can portray them. It's so insulting to both women back in the day and to women today.

Peter Pan, a story about growing up and leaving childhood behind, told by people who never grew up and never faced any responsibility or consequences for their actions. Perfect

@simpdefendmlady6579

Жыл бұрын

'Never faced any responsibility or consequences for their actions' So it should be renamed Lost Girls

@shadf7902

Жыл бұрын

@@simpdefendmlady6579 this.comment should be pinned

@jht3fougifh393

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much.

@jht3fougifh393

Жыл бұрын

​@@simpdefendmlady6579Congrats for being that guy.

@logicerrormusic

Жыл бұрын

@@simpdefendmlady6579 should be renamed Peter Pansexual

They gendered fairy dust just so they could defy a false gender role. Amazing

@griffrostron

Жыл бұрын

Truly revolutionary

@aahzmandiaz2767

Жыл бұрын

Fairy dust is female now.

@draw2death421

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. There are male fairies in canon aswell so not sure why they did that but eh supose they didint care about anything else in the movie so why bother.

@chazzitz-wh4ly

Жыл бұрын

The force is female, amirite?

@InfernoVor

Жыл бұрын

There are male fairies though. That's the most baffling part.

You’re literally the first person I’ve seen bring up the part about girls being “too clever”, it’s ironically more offensive to include girls with the lost boys than to leave them out lol

The 2003 version is the best imho. It put a lot of emphasis on Wendy too because she actually is the main character in a lot of ways but it still managed to keep her close to Barrie’s story. I do like strong female characters but not at the expense of making everyone else superfluous. Miyazaki does strong female heroes well, Mononoke, Nausicaa and Kiki all come to mind. And yet the strong male characters in his movies never demean the females either.

@beloved-child

Жыл бұрын

Princess Mononokee is one of my favorite movies ever. LADY EBOSHI is one of my favorite antagonists(yes, even if she was saving her people she couldn't have possibly thought killing a God was going to have good consequences, vanity and pride were always a part of her character and justified her actions to herself) in a film, and this movie gave us 2 examples of strong relatable female characters without being a narcissistic scumbag **** like woke does women.

The scene where Captain Hook sad "Heil H*tler", and Wendy responded with "Trans lives matter", then took her hormone blockers...... Man that made me tear up.

@CaptainCastle

Жыл бұрын

It's ok big guy, a new meme will come along soon and you can go back to blending in with the window lickers in youtube comments.

@shayla106

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainCastle There, there, the scary words can’t hurt you. Quick to your safe space.

@CaptainCastle

Жыл бұрын

@@shayla106 Did you put my safety blanket in the fort?!?

@MegaSpideyman

Жыл бұрын

😂

@whenpigsfly8178

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainCastle Yep, along with your subscription to the Disney Channel.

“Man I love forced Inclusive & Diverse stories!” Said no one ever…

@IchNachtLiebe

Жыл бұрын

There are a few screeching pink hairs that say this, but you ussually can't hear it over the projectile vomiting from everyone else in the theater.

@ReformedSauron

Жыл бұрын

Most of the work progressives don't even like these kind of films they just pretend to do so for ideological reasons so that someone doesn't point in their face and say "I told you so" and they admit to defeat. And their mind so long as they don't admit there's a problem no one will think that their opposition actually has a point.

@edman813

Жыл бұрын

It's okay guys Tinker Bell being white doesn't matter, hence why she gains powers to change her race at will or just paints herself black because thats how characters can do it, just like Kyle from South Park that one time.

@flutebasket4294

Жыл бұрын

Well, said the anti-White Satanic shit-swine who run Hollywood

@Toastybees

Жыл бұрын

Anyone not white and straight included = forced

Just watch Hook. I showed my kids it recently and it is such an absokutely brilliant movie I couldn't believe it. Hadn't seen it since I was a kid myself.

Why do people even bother with Hollywood? I gave up on it years ago.

The minute that Wendy avoided walking the plank because her happy thought was growing up and dying old and alone as the best girlboss ever, my brain was screaming... "OLD! ALONE! DONE FOR!"

@steflyria

Жыл бұрын

lmao yesss

@JKurayami

Жыл бұрын

@@steflyria The 2003 Peter Pan is the Definitive version to me.

@Mainer_in_Oklahoma

Жыл бұрын

With A LOT of cats!

@samcochran8203

Жыл бұрын

@@JKurayami The best one ever!

@samcochran8203

Жыл бұрын

@@Mainer_in_Oklahoma That will eventually eat her decaying corpse

"She is in charge for no reason. She hasnt done anything to deserve it, it just kinda happened" That sums up feminism quite well.

@MegaSpideyman

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@SiccDeville

Жыл бұрын

that sums up females.

@killgriffinnow

Жыл бұрын

@@SiccDeville Feminism =/= "females". There are plenty of actually decent people out there of both genders, it's just that feminists have poisined the well and made everything about them and their toxic narcissism.

@LittleSparklingStars

Жыл бұрын

it's wokeism, not feminism. You can write a good character based on proper feminist values without it being this bloody garbage.

@jhnyjoejoe69

Жыл бұрын

The first wok femnists first got up the ladder by sucking the johns and sugar dads, then the rest got in through those wok femnsts friends.

"It's not bad. It's just boring." The point of entertainment is to entertain; if it's boring - it's bad.

When you cut to a clip of Tiger Lily healing Pan it looked black. That's how much color this movie's missing.

Wendy's "inspirational moment" was her viewing her future flying a plane, working, and then dying alone. No husband, children or even friends... she dies alone. Says a lot that this is her motivation and aspiration of her future....

@chriswhite2151

Жыл бұрын

These are people who think Chelsea Handler is inspiring

@TheSuperappelflap

Жыл бұрын

pretty accurate based on my experiences with women these days. well, minus the plane part, thats dangerous work, they leave that to men.

@gravityissues5210

Жыл бұрын

Let's hope she lived long enough to enjoy white wine in boxes, and home-delivery cat food.

@AbsentMinded619

Жыл бұрын

Writing clickbait for Salon, living alone in a tiny apartment surrounded by homeless people you avoid looking at, and binge-watching The Handmaid’s Tale while eating an entire 6-pack of yogurt. That’s truly living

@Kiljaedenas

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSuperappelflap Well...the flying thing, that isn't quite far fetched to be honest (the movie was definitely shit, just getting that out of the way now)...The original Peter Pan was set around the year 1902. There were indeed documented female fighter pilots in WW1 and WW2...so Wendy would indeed have had the chance to fly around that age.

Is it really so hard to highlight the good aspects of the old Tiger Lily? She was willing to die by drowning rather than betray her friends to Hook. You don't have to make her a caricature , just focus on her loyalty, friendship, and bravery. She doesn't have to be a main character to be good.

@NerdyPanda-td1tz

Жыл бұрын

Right?!? So many of these Disney classics had amazing lessons, female empowerment & girl power… but clearly the woke mob lacks IQ because they missed all those lessons, they need media to shove it down their throats inorder for them to understand it’s there 😂😂😂 I’m a 27 year old woman and mother now, as a child my fave Disney princesses were Pocahontas, Belle, Mulan, Ariel and Jasmine, what do they all have in common? They’re strong, smart, rebellious for things that matter. Also like to point out that despite me being very fucking white (polish) I still loved princesses of a different race… I looked up to them, admired them, wanted to be them, so why is the argument that POC kids don’t have anyone to look up to? So they need to black wash every historically white character written by European authors, inorder for POC kids to feel something positive, despite there being amazing POC princesses since the 90’s what’s funny too, IMO all of the POC princesses were written has strong, smart amazing girls that kick ass, while all the white characters aside from Belle were some form of damsel in distress, useless etc… yet the woke mob didn’t notice that hey?

@CalaTec

11 ай бұрын

That requires depth and character development, something modern movies apparently hate.

@Blackemperess

9 ай бұрын

Weird thing is, she didn't even speak in the original film! And she _still_ had more depth of character than this live action shitshow!

Its very ironic that in movies the villians, loke hook, all must have motives and be sympathetic now, but in real life these same people absolutely hate the other side and they have absolutely no ability to understand the other side whatsoever, when real people have reasons for their beleifes and actions, yet these people view the real people as the "pure evil for evil sake."

The sheer, absolute, raging narcissism is absolutely incredible.

Wendy was super important in the original specifically _because_ she was a girly girl. She brought something into the world that no one else had, and it changed things. It seems like missing the point by a mile to make her a generic modern day strong woman trope.

@joshuafass5841

Жыл бұрын

The point of Wendy was not because she was a girly girl, it was because she was a mother figure. She didn't want to grow up but she had those mothering characteristics. So when she went to Neverland and mothered the lost boys, she realized growing up isn't as bad as Peter thinks it is.

@existenceisrelative

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuafass5841 Yes, exactly. Girly-girl stuff.

@joshuafass5841

Жыл бұрын

@existenceisrelative its not "girly-girl" stuff to want to be a parent. Not every girl wants to grow up and be a parent. This is why this version of lost boys also includes girls. Because not wanting to grow up is a universal dilema not exclusive to boys.

@existenceisrelative

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuafass5841 Ugh, jesus. Who are you impressing with this shit? You knew what i meant from the start, and you're starting an argument for no reason. And yes, it is more in line for girls to have the nurturing maternal urge when they're little, hence baby dolls. There are boys who are similar at the same age, but they're not all that common.

@gravityissues5210

Жыл бұрын

It becomes more and more clear as I watch these empty Mary Sue "empowered" characters that there is nothing these writers hate more than femininity. If you're not the strongest, loudest, most ass-kickingist person in the room, you run the risk of becoming a damsel in distress, apparently; and then some mansplaining manhandling manchild man will have to man-up and save you--and no doubt expect sexual submissiveness as a reward. So the only way to be a fully empower woman is to fully suppress and denigrate your feminine nature, and be one of the boys, I guess. Best of all, don't waste time on any kind of character development or hero's journey; just be sure to be born this way--because the message you definitely want to send young women is "if you aren't already perfect at everything without even trying, you're screwed."

The fact that the director thinks any kid would like to go to a place like this, says much about his own childhood or lack of one.

@Drixenol86

Жыл бұрын

Probably born in a broken household.

@kyosokutai

Жыл бұрын

@@Drixenol86 Worse, life of luxury with trust funds, never worked a day in their life so to feel they're not just a parasite on society they make a pathetic attempt at fighting for "causes". But with no understanding of real life problems, we get *this.*

@sihiushitposterbiasa-reliv5199

11 ай бұрын

​@@Drixenol86i am one and i WANT to have something like Neverland, not whatever in that movie so the comments before me is much more correct

I honored the release of this movie by watching the 2003 version of Peter pan with Jason Issacs as Hook and Jeremy Sumpter as Peter Pan. Best live action version of the book.

Peter Pan as a twist villain in his own movie is actually a tantalizing concept. Especially since I think in the original books it's implied he kills the lost boys when they get too old.

@ajmachin1134

Жыл бұрын

I think you need to re-read the book!!!

@amberkumar4514

Жыл бұрын

Peter Pan is an antagonist in the original Disney version. The issue is that they watered Wendy down to a weird masculine version, when it’s impossible to keep the moral of the story without the romance and Wendy’s frustration that Peter isn’t growing up to accept her affections. It’s why Tink and Tiger Lily feel like props in the 2023 version- they, too, lack what caused conflict between them and Wendy, which was jealousy. Peter is depicted as an immature boy, which is super irritating to Wendy. He does things she finds to be disrespectful, dangerous, or dumb. But she wouldn’t develop into an adult into the movie if it was obvious from the beginning. His youthfulness is fun, until it’s not.

"What do you like about Peter Pan" Children "The fun story about beating up the bad guy and going on adventures!" Philosopher "The interesting look into the idea of growing up. How Peter avoids it, and Hook is terrified of a crocodile clock, the embodiment of time coming to get you" Historian "The interesting look into the perspective of English childhood in the early 1900s, before the world wars." Hollywood "The money! Though I'm not much of a fan of everything else that makes it Peter Pan."

@MegaSpideyman

Жыл бұрын

VERY good way of putting it.

@jdogg448

Жыл бұрын

Oh and get that list we have of all the minorities best get some of those in there, we do hate racism you see.

This movie makes me admire HOOK as a masterpiece adaptation of Peter Pan. Mainly because Robin Williams is just fantastic.

@KitsuneAdorable

Жыл бұрын

While the movie Hook isn’t my favourite childhood movie I still enjoy it. And the fact that Hook and the early 2000s movie are being over shadowed by shit like this movie is just sad. 🙁

@Snowmon89

Жыл бұрын

So basically it had nothing to do with how bad this movie was... Let's face it, not everything that Robin took part in was a masterpiece, but even if Hook didn't have him in it, it'd still be better than this slop.

@salamander337

Жыл бұрын

"Disney really did lost their marbles". 😂

@RobAryeeArc

Жыл бұрын

Bangarang

@DocMicrowave

Жыл бұрын

Agree!

6:45 - "She hasn't done anything to deserve it, it just kind of happens." And that, my darlings, is feminist writing.

They don’t want only to brainwash the next generations, but they want to ruin ours too… I watched the original Peter Pan by Disney and it is one of my favorite childhood movies. I feel violated

@Idk-fy8pk

Жыл бұрын

Same

Disney: We made Tinker Bell black because we need to have a diverse cast of fairies and no one has done that yet. Tinker Bell movies: Am I a joke to you?

@tomatosoup1304

Жыл бұрын

No because literally. The movies were ahead of their time making a diverse group of girls, none of them adhering to any racial stereotypes, who all supported and loved each other

@ElasticGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

The past is evil. The present is evil. The future is utopian!

@donutbevil9669

Жыл бұрын

@@tomatosoup1304 Disney's Fairies movie series were some of the best that the company ever made. Peter Pan and *[redacted]* is worthless tripe.

@fatalblue

Жыл бұрын

Those movies were animated so they don't count modern Disney's mind.

When Wendy says 'You're a pirat, it's every man for himself', she not only shows an extremely egotistical, sociopathic behaviour (come _on,_ my sister and I constantly fought, but the moment one of us was in trouble, we were as thick as thiefes), she (which means, the writers) also shows a complete unawareness of history. At least when it comes to the caribbean pirates everyone thinks of when hearing the word were actually quite a social bunch.

@Cheepchipsable

Жыл бұрын

...and democratic. Surprised they didn't use the line "Every woman for herself".

@Qudths

Жыл бұрын

i would argue that it's less sociopathic and more psychopathic.

@TheSuperappelflap

Жыл бұрын

well you mustve had a really nice sister because most siblings will blame each other for anything when they get into trouble. being the oldest sibling it was definitely unfair.

@rubix4195

Жыл бұрын

No elder sibling sells out a younger to their parents, and I know being the eldest, and it was such a common knowledge that it was a trope in the 60's to the 90's in entertainment that I think the people writing know jack all about anything.

@moose9211

Жыл бұрын

Yeah where’s the empathy, why aren’t they teaching kids to be the bigger person.

I think the reason they couldn’t get this movie to work is we don’t have any hope for the future. The message of Peter Pan is that you need to grow up and move on in order to experience greater things. Millennials and the generations after don’t have that kind of hope anymore. We often long for the “good old days” and get stuck on nostalgia instead of thinking of what we can do now. In a way, we’re all Peter Pan wanting to stay in Neverland forever.

It's not just that they don't agree with them anymore; they don't even UNDERSTAND them. Look at "Pinocchio." 🤷‍♂️

I have never in the history of my life thought, I want a fictional character to be or look like me....not once.

@miraculerlukanette8202

Жыл бұрын

​@View Bot fr like i couldn't have watched ANY movie 😂

@Tenchi707

Жыл бұрын

​@View Bot lol bro but for real I recommend you watch Hunter X Hunter, it's one of the best fictions that's all I'm gonna say, if you like dub watch it in dub.

@tubetorpedo

Жыл бұрын

_"I have never in the history of my life thought, I want a fictional character to be or look like me....not once."_ Yup, that kind of thing is reserved for racist and such. I never though I have to be personally represented in a story even though I grew up surrounded by thousands of stories and had no problem connecting with characters on basic human emotional level (they feel fear, love, hate, joy, etc. etc.) even if the characters itself were nothing like I was and were different ages, sex, ethnicity etc. Sometimes even different species. Why should I see myself in a character? After all it's a story that happens to a character(s), I do not need stories to be self inserts. I read/watch/listen is as something that happened to others. I then have my own personal life where things happen to me. Same way as someone tells me how they had something happen to them earlier today, why would I need to insert myself in their place when I listen their story of what happened? I cannot sympathies/emphasize with them If I do not see myself as them in the situation?

@srichael2713

Жыл бұрын

Hear! Hear! I'll admit that I may be wanting a characters power, abilities, skill or even their state of life (like being rich) but I will never imagine them as being the same race and color as me. Also goes to my gaming avatars like the one you see. My Skyrim character looks nothing like me.

Fact of the matter is, in the original, Wendy had every reason to want to leave Neverland: She had a miserable time there: The mermaids tried to drown her, Tiger Lily and the tribe treated her like trash, Wendy leaving Neverland was natural. Not here, though. She has no reason to want to leave. Ignore the fact that the story simply made her want to leave, she's got no reason to.

@marcohidalgo1101

Жыл бұрын

In the 2003 version it also made sense for Wendy to want to leave Neverland for different reasons: She learned that despite Peter being attracted to her, he pretended he wasn't because he wants to eternally stay a boy. She's also later tempted into becoming a pirate by Hook and his crew but was later aware that would be a bad idea. Lastly, she realized that she, John, and Michael were forgetting their real parents and was afraid of the idea that they too might be forgotten later on.

We are all so careful about what my grand daughter sees now, it's crazy.

Wait a goddamned minute… Why is Wendy CATCHING Peter Pan? He can fly TO OTHER DIMENSIONS…surely he doesn’t need to be caught…

As a women who is a huge fan of the original Disney Peter Pan I actually think Wendy had a perfect role in the original. She was motherly and helped Peter and the lost boys in an impactful way. Wendy had a great balance of being one of the main characters but also still being a stranger in Neverland. Having Peter Pan be watered down so that Wendy can be seen as a more strong character is insulting. If they explored her nurturing/family side more then I feel like it could be interesting. Like showing how much she cares for her brothers or how the lost boys feel comforted by the idea of a motherly figure and maybe want to go back home to find their parents. I don’t know, I just can’t understand why Disney is basically insultingly ruining their original library of classic films. And while I am technically part of Gen Z I think any diversity just for the sake of it can ruin things, because they focus too much on it and not the story itself. We need to tell great, rich, and thoughtful stories again, that’s the Disney I miss.

@zaphodbbrox

Жыл бұрын

Well she wasn't a narcissistic Wendy Sue but a mature and compassionate character with genuine feelings for others, so not really female lead material for modern "Disney"

@ElasticGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

This culture that deplores "toxic masculinity" is the same culture whose actions demonstrate that they find no redeeming qualities in femininity. At least not for women. To be nurturing is to be weak; motherhood is slavery. But make women into dudes and men into little girls? Now we're talkin' their language.

@MinqApoc

Жыл бұрын

Well, you see, motherly and nuturing is incredibly sexist and totally not something a strong woman would be. A strong women always takes the spotlight, is selfish and narcissistic and automatically the best at everything she tries. /s. God i hate modern disney.

@robosing225

Жыл бұрын

@@MinqApoc big facts

@fredy2041

Жыл бұрын

Because you see motherly love is not for them a "strong female and independant woman". No, it was to always be a girl boss, always. Also, sorry for this, but im 100%not surprice that for them, this version of Disney is also a lesbian, for them is just another check on what a "strong woman" has to be, without. realising that is become insulting and sterotipical. Please, point me other woman character with same characters that do not like other women, I can bet, are almost non existant.

The problem Disney and Hollywood doesnt seem to understand is that audiences can now predict every single movie they put out now. I wouldnt be surprised if Ariel treats everyone like crap, sprouts nonsense only an activist would say, and she is better than everyone. Same tired trope every time.

@MegaSpideyman

Жыл бұрын

It'll be interesting to see if you're right. Not long until we find out!

@ctrlaltdebug

Жыл бұрын

Every Disney movie is The Jungle Book these days...

@notbloodylikely4817

Жыл бұрын

At least Ariel can't talk, so she's already better than most other women.

@whenpigsfly8178

Жыл бұрын

On the bright side, we'll be able to convert their crap into something good with an AI in the future. While they'll probably be using the AIs to turn good movies into woke ones.

@qty1315

Жыл бұрын

Well, it's a bit of a one-sided game because we don't lose or gain anything from watching it or not watching it, but Disney isn't making 'profit' regardless of whether the movie is good or bad, they only lose money when people unsubscribe from Disney+. So, if you don't watch it but stay subscribed to Disney+, they win, if you don't have Disney+ you don't matter, and if you unsubscribe you'll probably only bump up their numbers later when you resubscribe and it's doubtful that anything they release could drive away enough people to threaten them. So, the deck is pretty heavily stacked in their favour, and as we've seen in the streaming charts, hate-watching easily gets you into a top 5 spot if you piss off enough people.

Honestly, if you want a good live-action Peter Pan, just watch the 2003 version. It is such a delightful movie, while also being a very well told story.

@ajmachin1134

Жыл бұрын

With excellent actors! Jason Issacs revelled almost as much being Hook as he did being Lucious Malfoy!

I'm done with with Disney. I haven't to watch a new movie in 2yrs in theater. I canceled my Disney's plus account. I'm a black woman but God's knows I'm so freaking tired/fed-up of remaking money to insert feminist characters or black characters🙄. Im just done

I would give so much to just sit and listen in the writers room for these movies. They’ll say something they think is “inspiring” and “revolutionary” and I’ll be in the corner stifling laughter and eye rolling

@matthewmosier8439

Жыл бұрын

You'd probably be in pain, actually.. I can only guess at the depths of racism and sexism that these kind of films come from. Probably sounds like an inverse Clan meeting attended by amazons. Seriously.

@helekarsargarian6831

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be able to resist bitch slapping everyone for every bad pitch

@abcun17

Жыл бұрын

Remember, these morons are activists first...and then untalented, mediocre writers second...

@velveetaslingshot

Жыл бұрын

Ive been in one. And the conservatives have to sit in silence while the libtards circle jerk amongst themselves. And the two conservative (sane) writers in the room looked at each other knowing it was going to bomb hard. And it did....it always does. Nothing woke is a winner.

@matthewbowen5841

Жыл бұрын

Kamala

As a “visible minority” I never felt I was excluded from enjoying the Peter Pan story. It was one of my favourite stories when i a small child.

@TheSuperappelflap

Жыл бұрын

but youre not supposed to enjoy anything youre not represented in

@shadf7902

Жыл бұрын

Its almost as if humans are,.human despite our outward.color.

@jht3fougifh393

Жыл бұрын

​@@shadf7902I have noticed this kind of post more and more, where people put extra spaces and punctuation at random. Is illiteracy just this rampant now, or has some update bug caused keys on certain phones to get all screwed up?

@yubullyme3855

Жыл бұрын

@@jht3fougifh393 DoEs iT r3@llY Ann0Ys yOu th@T muCH>..,?

@samblack5313

Жыл бұрын

I can’t relate to Schmee because I’m tall. Can’t relate to hook because I have 2 hands. Can’t relate to Peter because I don’t wear tights. Can’t relate to Rufio because I’m not a skunk head with too much moouse. Unless the movie is just cloned versions of me living out my exact life, I’ll never be able to draw any parallels.

You have way too few subscribers, my dude. You should have a million at least. Another brilliant analysis, thank you!

Wendy can't be saved by someone with "Dangly Bits" .... HA !!!!!

We expected a rancid woke turd, and Disney didn't disappoint as usual.

@jonnyq680

Жыл бұрын

the pretty frosting could not disguise its malodorous excrescence...

The Lost Boys are based on the five Llewelyn Davies brothers that JM Barrie played games of make believe with, in which most of the characters of Neverland were created. The Peter Pan story is an attemtp to put to paper these fantastical games of pirates, exploring, sword fights, sailing etc. This movie takes a giant dump on the original story and the people behind it

@TheLikenessOfNormal

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but remember, white people and white culture are inherently evil. So destroying anything created by it is really just morally good. I fucking hate Hollywood. I hate them especially because my family came from Ireland, my family was brought as slaves to North America. But I get to be lectured on how my dirt poor family, who remained dirt poor in part because of the rampant anti-Irish racism that was common in North America (legally up until the 50s/60s Irish people were legally considered 'colored'), were actually responsible for perpetuating the mistreatment of the other discriminated minorities (despite being one) and that now because of it any achievement I make, any observation I have, any opinion I form are all dismissible with "white privilege".

@NormanReaddis

Жыл бұрын

Disney always takes a dump on everything tbey adapt nowadays because of that "reimagine tomorrow".

@spiffygonzales5160

Жыл бұрын

I'm just waiting for a Pocahontas movie where the brave melenated people chop to pieces the horrible non melenated people who are inherently evil based on their... physical features... Ya know, to show how unracist Disney is these days.

can't believe they turned my girl wendy, one of the most loving, caring, smart and mature young ladies in movie and literature, into a jerk. og Wendy would NEVER incriminate her brothers for something she has done; in fact, og Wendy would take the guilt for something they've done to protect them without a second thought. she is a second mother to them, she would die for those boys

Captain Hook: You have Peter Pan's Magic. Wendy: This power belongs to no boy! That's essentially what was said.

“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made” ― JRR Tolkien

@laylaminrir

Жыл бұрын

Cool wisdom but I didn't wanna see it played out irl on my favourite works 😭😭

@MaxLuetgendorff

Жыл бұрын

Hear hear!

@stormelemental13

Жыл бұрын

Tolkien didn't say that though. If you're going to quote someone, do it right. "The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them."

@AdaTheWatcher

Жыл бұрын

Didn't sauron create the ring wich was new though?

@nicholasbrown668

Жыл бұрын

​@@stormelemental13damn bro, you that lonely?

Neither I, nor my children, nor my children's children will ever see this movie. The thought comforts me.

@Kyle-sr6jm

Жыл бұрын

Same

@Cheepchipsable

Жыл бұрын

Then how will you know if the critiques are accurate?

@CosmicRay111

Жыл бұрын

@@Cheepchipsable It's not the output itself, it is the people who create it.

@CosmicRay111

Жыл бұрын

@View Bot Fear not. That ship has sailed.

I’m a 30 year old woman and whilst Lion King, Little Mermaid etc may have dropped off my movie list, Hook is still one of my favourite childhood movies and it was brilliantly done. The Western world makes such little sense these days.

As I've gotten older I understand more and more why people prefer to stick with the things they loved growing up. I look at the music, movies, books, and television of today and either hear myself being insulted or demonized. Watch people ruin the classics I loved and cherish.

Oh please God, let this thing tank.

@MegaSpideyman

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure how it can make money when it's going straight to streaming.

@SamtheBravesFan

Жыл бұрын

It's been banished to Disney+, they know it's garbage.

@harbl99

Жыл бұрын

Disney+, the modern equivalent of straight to video.

@jonnyq680

Жыл бұрын

hindenburg style

When Tinkerbells glow goes out in the original and you think she's died. That's writing and knowing your audience

The shorter haircut looka great man! And as always a great perspective!

OG Wendy: character development.. This Wendy: I'M HULKKKKKKKKKK..!!!!!!!

The 2003 adaptation is just so magical and beautiful. Honestly, this live-action was so unnecessary!

@cashwalk7253

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I thought too.

@Quincy_Morris

Жыл бұрын

Very good film aside from the nudity scene.

@aswad317

Жыл бұрын

​@@Quincy_Morris I'd still choose that over girlboss crybaby Wendy

@lefantomer

Жыл бұрын

I thought Jason Isaac's Hook looked great but buckled insufficient swash. But that was about the only thing that wasn't first rate. Why can't these people learn from the successes?

@shadowchsr79

Жыл бұрын

I rewatched the 2003 film when this new movie was released instead.

It's insulting that they didn't cast Jude Law in a dual role as Hook and Wendy's father. The whole point of it is to convey Wendy's father issues.

@Arthas30000

Жыл бұрын

One of the many, many faults in this film. That would make a lot of sense, but these people don't understand what metaphors are, what's entertaining, and don't get literature

@vetarlittorf1807

Жыл бұрын

@@Arthas30000 But it's not just a metaphor and symbolism. It's also a tradition that dates back to the 1904 play. Even the original Disney classic had the same actor voice both Hook and Mr. Darling. And like I said, the reason is because Hook is meant to be Wendy's mental projection of everything she fears about adulthood, something she associates with her father because of how strict and demanding he is. I also liked how in the animated version it reinforced the ambiguity of whether or not Neverland was just a dream.

@Arthas30000

Жыл бұрын

@@vetarlittorf1807 That's a really cool detail that adds a lot to both the book and the play :D ty for sharing!

@youtubesucks3882

Жыл бұрын

Nonono we can't have deep filmmaking in here. Take that back right now.

@albertcostahinojosa4836

Жыл бұрын

​@@vetarlittorf1807 like the father von Alan Parrish (jumanji), he is also the hunter from the game.

Seeing Disney logo draw itself on the screen when I was a kid was a kind of "oh boy this'll be good" moment. Nowadays it's "oh God is this an old or a now one?"

To be fair about them changing the story to make Pan and Hook friends as kids before kicking him out of the Lost Boys for missing his mum, the original story is pretty clear that the Pirates are grown up Lost Boys. I don't remember if everyone except Pan ages, or if Lost Boys only age when they miss their families, but Pan himself is in a neverending cycle of kidnapping children, kicking them out of his group to become Pirates, and then killing the Pirates.... he's a monster.

See, the problem with the original is that Wendy was a true leader through wisdom, maturity, peace, patience, all-around “traditional femininity.” She showed strength beyond brute force, noise, “traditional boyish behavior.” This Wendy is a leader through Mary Sue Girl Power (TM)! I mean, literally every girl in the movie is a natural-born strong warrior who fights all their own battles and talks back to all the other characters, ‘cause she’s a strong, independent woman!

@thehumblepotatoreborn9313

Жыл бұрын

I like how these people's idea of a "strong woman" is simply acting like a sterotypical man. There's something rather ironic and almost sad about that

@user-xr6sv8vt1d

Жыл бұрын

@@thehumblepotatoreborn9313 exactly! It's just crazy

@YumeBat

Жыл бұрын

Women are not allowed to be interanally strong anymore, they gotta, quite literally, strong by _force._ Because if you're not physically strong enough to beat up someone double your weight how could you ever hope to deserve respect?? If you want to be a mom and have a family you're just not strong enough to be alone, if you like wearing dresses you're not empowered enough to take away the pants from _the patriarchy's grasp_ 🙄

@NefariousKoel

Жыл бұрын

@@thehumblepotatoreborn9313 - Not even acting like an ideal or heroic man. They act like spoiled as5holes.

@neillindgren8992

Жыл бұрын

Well, this Wendy does act like a modern day leader by not taking responsibility for the broken mirror and instead blaming her little brothers. Of course, it seems that all the protagonists (I can’t call them heroes) are similarly awful. It’s quite pathetic that the character who comes off the least bad is the villain, Captain Hook.

Wendys roles was to be a mother figure, responsible and caring. And thats part of her taking the boys away from neverland so that they can grow up. And they legit gutted that for some cheap girl boss shit

@ElasticGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

Well, women are finally breaking free of the shackles of maternal instinct and of common decency. Universally capable, narcissistic women and woefully incompetent, emasculated men don't have enough representation in media. They only feature prominently in just about everything released.

On the bright side the White horse blagged it's way in, they must of missed that one.

POV Disney: “Can’t heal yourself instantaneously from certain death using only plants” “Sounds like a skill issue lol”

I love how girlboss Wendy was in front of Peter in their flight to Neverland and leading him to a place she's never been before.

@thibaldus3

Жыл бұрын

Ideology > making sense.

@NefariousKoel

Жыл бұрын

They're always trying to get an A+ on the Bechdel Test. Can't have a female character learn anything from a male character, or follow one's lead. Also watch for the girlbosses to tell each other they're so wonderful and perfect, another requirement.

@ElasticGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

@@NefariousKoel "You're a goddess and should never change for any reason. Just between us girl bosses, boys are stupid. Let's make out."

@jessejames8900

Жыл бұрын

​@@NefariousKoel a feminists wet dream.

@TheSuperappelflap

Жыл бұрын

@@ElasticGiraffe if they actually made out and were 18+ the movie would probably sell more tickets

Ah, I remember being a little girl in the late 90's and early 00's, having our Peter Pan vhs tape on constant repeat in my house. What I don't remember is being sad that there were no "lost girls" I didn't need it in the 1990s, kids didn't need it in the 1950s when the film first came out, kids didn't need it 1904 when the play first premiered, and kids don't need it now. Wendy and Tinkerbell were enough.

@Kyle-sr6jm

Жыл бұрын

"Why aren't there any Lost Girls?" "Honey, girls are too sensible to get Lost. They grow up when they are supposed to."

@nyetzdyec3391

Жыл бұрын

But... Kids ARE being TAUGHT to need it... being TOLD that they need it... and it isn't a coincidence.

"An exercise in drudgery" and they're trying to say it's not bad🤨

Brilliant analysis, well done!

I live in the town where Peter Pan was originally written and I must say Disney have hit the gold record for missing the point so hard that it is now in deep space.

@kimrasmussen7188

Жыл бұрын

yep, its close to zeta reticulae now. a little further, and we will be entering klingon territory

@donutbevil9669

Жыл бұрын

@@kimrasmussen7188 The edge of the Milky Way, dude. Crazy far.

The biggest problem with Disney's ''sympathetic'' villains: - Retroactively trying to make a villain into a misunderstood hero. ''Remember the original villains? Well, now you should feel bad for them and stupid for thinking they were evil in the first place.'' - Even when they're supposed to be likable they still are terrible. They're mean, do terrible things and we are supposed to feel bad for them because they have a sad backstory? Paraphrasing Rocket the Racoon ''Boo hoo! Your mommy is dead? It's not an excuse to be a dick!'' - Speaking of backstories! Modern Disney can't tell a subtle story. The new backstories are so over-the-top tragic and edgy that they unintentionally end up being funny. Cruella's mother being dropped kicked off a cliff by the dalmatians comes to mind. - Also, contrived and stupid. It's really hard to feel sympathy for someone if most of their problems come from their actions and instead of acknowledging it and changing for the better they go ''You destroyed my life!'' and go on a path of revenge. Why is Cruella homeless as a child, shouldn't the police find her and put her in foster care or an orphanage? I guess ''My mother was pushed off a cliff by dogs.'' would make people think she's crazy. Edit: - I forgot to mention how by trying to make villains sympathetic the writers turn ''heroes'' into terrible people. Peter Pan was best friends with Captain Hook but left him alone to wander the seas looking for his mother and when he come back as an adult Peter cut off his hand. I want Hook to kill this little psycho and save poor children. It reads like those fanfictions about Hook being the lost boy. But even those fanfics are better! - It also takes away from their threatening presence. Scar in the remake is now a pussy (wink wink) who sounds like he's about to cry when killing Mufasa and an incel who can't get over that Sarabi choose Mufasa over him.

@mcpudd1540

Жыл бұрын

I honestly think Game of Thrones ruined villains. You spend so much time with each character, and see the impact of what they do through other characters. It made executives think we wanted tragic backstory for every villain in every film. It doesn’t work because we don’t have any investment in the characters in the first place. I think Gorr from Love and Thunder is the perfect example. We see his daughter die in his arms, but we don’t know how they got into that position in the first place. Did Gorr do something that got them banished from their village? Did the rest of the village die? Is the child’s mother dead?Where are they? What kind of relationship does Gorr have with his daughter? It just asks the audience to feel sympathy for a brand new character who’s had 3 minutes of screen time.

@donutbevil9669

Жыл бұрын

They want brainwash kids into thinking bad people (i.e. the rich elite) when they do crimes, have sympathetic reasons/justifications for some the sickest things they do. Tell me if Harvey Weinstein had any moral, justifiable reason for putting many actresses through a casting couch.

@Horvath_Gabor

Жыл бұрын

@@mcpudd1540 Game of Thrones fully embraced the adage that "everyone is the hero of their own story". Every character, be it a minor side-role, a major villain, or a bait-and-switch hero being offed early for shock factor, is treated as a main character and have their worldview and what brought them to the present explained to the reader. It's what makes the books great, what makes them long as hell, and what makes me dislike them, though my personal taste doesn't really matter in this case. What happened was that the entertainment media suits took a look at that and did their usual thing; apply absurd reductionism to the property to the answer to "Why is this popular?", and then tried to imitate it to make money. GoT created its own wave of shows that were pretty much screaming "Look, we have lots of gratuitous nudity and good guys dying, are we cool yet?" at the viewer, but it also had a long-term effect on writing in entertainment, focusing more of the "villains" and portraying them as people with their own goals, motivations, and self-justifications. This gave us characters like Thanos, but in good-ol' Hollywood reductionist fashion, it also created an offshoot of misguided imitations. When the suits looked at the Nolan Batman trilogy's success, they didn't go "Huh, so the audience likes grounded, well-realized characters and drama.", but instead they went "MOAR HYPERREALISM! MOAR DARKNESS! MOAR ANGRY SUPERHEROES CAUSING DESTRUCTION!", and we got the Snyderverse. Similarly, when Guardians of the Galaxy became an overnight success, they didn't go, "Huh, so the audience likes character-based comedy and the comradery formed between an eclectic cast of characters.", but instead went "MOAR QUIPS! MORE GARISH COLORS! MORE GIMMICKY CHARACTERS BEING DICKS TO EACH OTHER!", and we got Suicide Squad and Justice League. Similarly, when GoT became popular, the lesson learned wasn't "If we make our villains more logical and relatable, people are more invested in the conflict with the heroes.", but "IF WE MAKE VILLAINS AND TWIST THEM INTO BEING THE GOOD GUYS, PEOPLE WILL GIVE US MONEY!".

@Exeidur

Жыл бұрын

Wait, Cruella's mother was kicked off a cliff by Dalmatians?! That honestly sounds made up, that's so bad...

@Horvath_Gabor

Жыл бұрын

@@Exeidur Yes, she was. By evil dalmatians trained by the evil fashionista villainess to attack people when she blew a whistle. It's the motivation behind Cruella's revenge plot that eventually has her take over the villainess' company. It also made the two dog-napping lackeys into her lifelong friends, race-bent the original owners of Pongo and Perdita from the original movie, and was building up 'Cruella' to be an evil second personality of the protagonist, but didn't go anywhere with it. It was... not a very good movie.

thanks for saving me time that would not only waste a bit of time but trashed my childhood storybooks!

The attack on motherhood by Hollywood is reaching disgusting points.

When Wendy stabbed Hook in the face and yelled, "I am no boy!" after he said no mere boy could kill him shook me to my very core. Such brave filmmaking.

@jonnyq680

Жыл бұрын

does the crocodile still get his pocket watch or does she steal that too?

@EggyEggtoast

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyq680 The crocodile does but it was recasted as a plus sized black woman from new orleans

@MenteMaestra91

Жыл бұрын

Wow, such an original comment.

@junebug6706

Жыл бұрын

You a fucking clown most likely a pillow Biter

@atomicdancer

Жыл бұрын

I loved the part where Tiger Lily got into the DeLorean and said, "Hey, Wendy, we better back up. We don't have enough boys to be called the Lost Boys." And Wendy said, "Boys? Where we're going, we don't need... boys."

Wendy is supposed to be this sweet, nurturing big sister that acts as the mother figure of the group. She's literally the matriarch in the story & the whole group would've been in chaos without her. In this remake, she's just as ignorant & as annoying as some of the lost boys, maybe even worse. They turned her into an annoying tomboy. Imagine you try so hard to improve established characters but actually damage the characters instead.

@Sorain1

Жыл бұрын

An insulting caricature of a tomboy.

@MissMedeiros

Жыл бұрын

The worst ttpe of Tomboy: The woke girl who uses Twitter 😨

@Horvath_Gabor

Жыл бұрын

Isn't that what Disney did to every single one of their characters for the past couple of years? Remember, when TLJ came out, Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy claimed that by taking Luke Skywalker, and turning him into a depressed hobo in the middle of nowhere, they made the character "better", because him realizing that trying to raise force-users will always result is some dark side users, so the most "heroic" thing he could do was to become a hermit. They had done similar things to pretty much every single one of their iconic characters. It started with Star Wars, it's peaking with their old animated characters, and by the looks of it, the MCU is also on the chopping block already.

@themurmeli88

Жыл бұрын

Hollywood cheat-sheet: Emotions = Screeching harpy Character = Obnoxious cunt Empathy = Solipsism Motives = MEMEMEMEMEMEMEME!!! Growth = Eat cake Message = Acidic bile that would melt even a xenemorph

@marcohidalgo1101

Жыл бұрын

The 2003 version KNEW how to make a motherly tomboy Wendy. This version didn't.

The director wanted to make a place where kids want to go to!? It's been awhile since I read the book, but I'm pretty sure Neverland is a euphemism for purgatory, which is why the Lost Boys are a bunch of kids that never came back to life or passed onto heaven or whatnot, which is why these boys were "lost." Way to explain to the audience that you want to see more kids off themselves 🤦🏽‍♂