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Peter Hiett: A Journey from Calvinism to the God Who Loves and Saves ALL

What an honor to have gotten to interview Peter Hiett - a true servant-leader in the somewhat recent revival of Historic Christian Universalism.
Peter is the son of a Presbyterian pastor, whom he greatly adored. After receiving a degree in Geology from the University of Colorado, Peter earned an M.Div. Degree from Fuller Seminary in Pasadena CA. He’s been the lead pastor at the Sanctuary since 2008 and before that pastored some of our people at a church in Golden. Peter has authored four books… that you should read! He has been ordained by the Presbyterian Church USA, the Evangelical Presbyterian Church and now, our body, The Sanctuary. He has been married to Susan, his high school sweetheart, since 1983. They have four wonderful children that Peter likes most of the time.
His weekly sermons are available at:
relentless-love.org/sermons/

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  • @nickjamesb2051
    @nickjamesb20517 ай бұрын

    Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends? -Abraham Lincoln

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    7 ай бұрын

    Indeed - there is much evidence that Lincoln embraced the hope of Universal Reconciliation ❤️ www.tentmaker.org/biographies/lincoln.htm Thanks for your comment - Blessings! wayne

  • @jamesbarksdale978
    @jamesbarksdale9782 ай бұрын

    Enjoyed the conversation, and hearing your stories. Thanks!

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks so much, James!

  • @gracehillcolorado2668
    @gracehillcolorado2668 Жыл бұрын

    EVERY KNEE WILL BOW! TY Guys.

  • @warrenroby6907
    @warrenroby6907 Жыл бұрын

    Great conversation! So encouraging to learn from other Calvinists who see ultimate reconciliation.

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Warren! Would love to connect with you if you would like - Please feel free to reach out to me at hwaynefair@yahoo.com In some respects nothing preps a Christian better for Historic Christian Universalism than Calvinism (ironically)... Would love to hear about your journey so far.... Also we are about to form a "Christian Universalists Anonymous" (a bit tongue in cheek!) meet-up group that you might be interested in. If you send me an email I will share more information. Thanks and God Bless!

  • @thai2500
    @thai25006 ай бұрын

    Reminded again of how we have ALL traveled VERY different roads of belief through our lives. And yet, Jesus is graciously and actively drawing each of us to Himself. All will be well.

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    6 ай бұрын

    Totally! Thanks my dear brother ❤️

  • @danielmark4869
    @danielmark4869 Жыл бұрын

    I love the name of your channel. My background with Christianity is in the Arminian camp. I never even knew about Calvinism and what it taught until about 3-4 years ago. The Calvinism of Calvin himself is absolutely repulsive but if you modify it slightly and make atonement unlimited it's beautiful. I think I need to embrace this kind of Calvinist Universalism because I don't trust myself. I think if I were permitted the ability to damn myself eternally and the gates of hell are locked from the inside then that's probably what I would do to myself because I'm an exceedingly harsh self-critic. I need a God who will kick those gates down and rescue me from myself. Any kind of "free will" that would allow me to punish myself forever is a free will I don't want. Give me the Sovereign Love of God instead.

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your comment. Daniel. It was C.S. Lewis who famously said that the gates of hell are locked from the inside. I love Lewis - but ultimately I think this notion is wrong. On the other hand I completely agree with you that I am glad my salvation doesn't ultimately rest on MY "free will" - but God's! In spite of our fallenness and bent toward the downward spiral of sin - I think Scripture (especially Paul) teaches us that there is something deeply "very good" (Gen.1:31) that remains in every human - "the image of God". Scripture further reveals that Jesus Christ IS that image.... I believe this is the "inner man" of which Paul speaks - and it is in desperate need of redemption and restoration. If you'd like to read more about why I differ with Lewis on this one point, please see: C.S. Lewis, Hell and Human Nature sovereign-love.blog/2020/05/19/embracing-hell-a-response/ Thanks and God Bless! wayne

  • @racheladkins6060

    @racheladkins6060

    Жыл бұрын

    Did you know that Calvin had OCD?

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    @@racheladkins6060 No - but that’s an interesting perspective… What evidence do you have? Thanks and God Bless!

  • @racheladkins6060
    @racheladkins6060 Жыл бұрын

    Why doesn’t anyone understand that “Brimstone” is on the periodical table and is another name for Sulphur and its positive roles used in detergents and in fertilisers. So it’s used in additives to purification in making silver and gold metals.

  • @alanx4121

    @alanx4121

    10 ай бұрын

    sodom & gomorrah is a manifestation of the consuming fire, but even they will be restored to their former estate

  • @jontyubbink1598
    @jontyubbink15982 ай бұрын

    Once God completes the work in you, there is no more depravity. Depravity in believers is in their continued delay to get sanctification.

  • @joshualykins9842
    @joshualykins9842 Жыл бұрын

    My pastor at The Sanctuary Denver ! Thankful to God for His ministry and preaching the ministry of reconciliation !

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    It was a real honor to get to speak with Peter!

  • @jhq9064

    @jhq9064

    Жыл бұрын

    Praying and waiting for a Victorious Gospel aka HCU church body in my reck of the woods.

  • @jontyubbink1598
    @jontyubbink15982 ай бұрын

    And what delays sanctification is blending the covernants in your fellowship. This is because we keep believers down by the fear of old covernant rules. If we were controlled by love and we encouraged believers to blossom in a true new covernant way relationship would trump rules to appease God.

  • @dianehaydon9851
    @dianehaydon98517 ай бұрын

    I was attending a local Baptist/Calvinist church a few years ago, except that when I joined them, I didn't have a clue what calvinism was. When I found out, the first book I read, to educate myself about calvinism, was WHAT LOVE IS THIS, by Dave Hunt. Strange enough, Dave Hunt is/was an evangelical, yet his book is for everyone and, whether he realised it or not, many of the things he said in his book were very much about universal salvation. May he rest in peace.

  • @modustrollens7833
    @modustrollens7833 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely based

  • @ziply123
    @ziply1235 ай бұрын

    PCUSA is, perhaps not surprisingly, much more inclined to believe in universal reconciliation, or at least no ECT, even if we're not ready yet to openly embrace it. I hope for the day when we will openly speak it.

  • @robertlittlefield7605
    @robertlittlefield7605 Жыл бұрын

    Im a simple non denominational man that loves the Lord n all the glory goes to God n I stand on the KJV Bible~~Its really not hard of ya take the words how there written I do not like universalism but I do believe i9n the Salvation of All Its biblical n one must study very hard to see this that Gods got a plan He tells us we can know the end from the beginning

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your comment, Robert... So - are you saying you believe that (in the end) - all WILL be saved? Sorry to have to ask - just not sure I understand what you mean... For myself - I cannot get over, around or under the simple clarity of this statement: "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him" Eph.1:10 (there are many more - but this and Col. 1:20 are compelling to me, "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.") Thanks!

  • @duncanwashburn
    @duncanwashburn Жыл бұрын

    I disagree with the man being interviewed about 'free will' because of its affect on faith. I like John Warwick Montgomery's take on faith. His take on faith is that it is a gift that we can use, as all gifts, but for God's grace to save us, we need to use the gift of faith in the direction of God's grace.

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    Duncan - thanks for your comments. I will try to briefly reply to both here... I (the guy doing the interview, Wayne Fair) cannot speak for Peter ("the man being interviewed") - but I think he would agree that what we are talking about is God's ultimate will and plan. We both believe that humanity has "free will" - at least in some limited degree (this is a huge discussion in and of itself!) - but that God's will cannot and will not be ultimately frustrated - that God will - in the end - get what He wants and desires! What is God's desire and purpose in Christ? "[God is] not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance." 2 Pet.3:9 "who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth" 1 Tim.2:4 "He made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment-to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ" Eph.1:9-10 "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross." Col. 1:19-20 God WILL ultimately get what He wants - His "Word" (Jesus Christ) will win the day! Jesus did not come to condemn the world - but to save it: "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." John 3:17 "so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." Isaiah 55:11 God will do ALL of this while not violating our "agency" or "free will". How? No human can fully answer this - but Jesus answered when asked, "Who then can be saved?" - and said, "with man this is not possible - but with God ALL things are possible" I believe we are all created in God's image - and this image has NOT been destroyed - and this defines our "created" nature (not our "fallen nature" which does not define our "true" selves). Like the prodigal son - when we have come to the end and fultility of our rebellion we will, like him, "come to ourselves" and return to the father... We were made BY Him and FOR Him... Apart from the enslaving deception of Satan and the blindness he has imposed on us - we will by our God-given (created) natures seek the good - which is of course ultimately God... As Augustine said, "Our hearts are restless until they find rest in thee..." - nothing can satisfy what we long for - all the money and pleasure of the world will leave us restless - unsatisfied... Only God can fill that Christ-shaped hole in the center of our being... As all analogies fail at some point - I still think of this in relation to "free will": we are really only "free" to do what is in our natures (e.g. birds fly - not pigs - they have differing "natures") A dog by it nature will be drawn towards eating meat - But a sick dog may refuse it - the problem is not its created nature - but the sickness that has invaded its body... We are like that I beleive: sin has sickened us - even blinded us - and we cannot "see" and be drawn to the Glory and Beauty of God apart from being "healed" - instead we are doomed by our spiritual illness to death. Jesus - the great physician came to heal us - and He will ultimately succeed in doing this - that is God's promise.... Richest Blessing in Christ! wayne

  • @judethree4405
    @judethree4405 Жыл бұрын

    What is a Calvinist universalist? Is it one who holds to the complete sovereignty of God in all things, plus tuip (minus the L)?

  • @dianehaydon9851
    @dianehaydon98517 ай бұрын

    But the word of God says that "By their fruit you will know them". If or when one looks at the fruit/tree of calvinism, which is a person (Calvin), we cannot help but realise that this man was a cruel man, who hurt a lot of people, and one would be forgiven to believe that he was very much like the apostle Paul, BEFORE he experienced his radical conversion, on the road to Damascu.

  • @alanx4121
    @alanx412110 ай бұрын

    will all be resurrected, or only believers: the saints and the fallen?

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    9 ай бұрын

    I believe Christ overcame death for ALL - and will bring about the resurrection of all... 1 Cor.15:22 "For as in Adam ALL die, so in Christ ALL will be made alive." John 5: "28Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment." Blessings!

  • @robertlittlefield7605
    @robertlittlefield7605 Жыл бұрын

    why is this made just another denomination?? where did that word calvinism come fr4om?? I sure cant find it in the bible n sp I have to0 assume its another manmade gig

  • @user-nd7dy2kv6x
    @user-nd7dy2kv6x2 ай бұрын

    If i were to guess the doctrine the Anti-Christ proclaim - i'd guess universalism. Doesn't matter what you believe - i will save you. How is jumping from one distortion of the gospel (Calvinism) - to another (Universalism) good ?

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    2 ай бұрын

    You don’t understand HISTORIC Christian Universalism. It DOES matter what you believe: that Jesus Christ IS Lord! “Every knee WILL bow- every tongue WILL confess [swear allegiance] that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD - to the Glory of God THE FATHER!” What we believe is grounded firmly in what Scripture teaches: That God will RESTORE all things REUNITE all things RECONCILE all things RENEW all things So why should we expect anything LESS from the God of MAXIMAL Goodness and Love? He IS Love- and Love Himself keeps no record of wrongs - endures ALL things… Love NEVER fails ❤️ Therefore “We have put OUR hope in the LIVING God - Who is the Savior of ALL mankind, especially those who believe” (1 Timothy 4:10) Blessings! wayne

  • @duncanwashburn
    @duncanwashburn Жыл бұрын

    Could Exodus 32:32 be the answer to all this? Could this verse tell us that ALL are born with our name in God's book. It is taken out by unbelief? Would that idea bring together a lot of the problems of all the differing sides of this?

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    Well - that would not resolve the main question: Will God - who is Love - send His offspring (made in His image) to hell forever because of their unbelief? I do believe that to be saved we must repent and believe the Gospel - in other words, confess from the heart that "Jesus is Lord" - but I also believe that scripture promises that EVERY tongue will make this confession - and (as Isaiah puts it, "swear allegiance") not under compulsion but freely and gladly - and that "all shall be saved" (in the end) because this is the desire and will of our Father... Thanks and God Bless!

  • @duncanwashburn

    @duncanwashburn

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MrHwaynefair 1st what does it mean that we were created in God's image? Could it be originally we were triune as He is and it was the human spirit that died because of the sin of Adam? That could mean that it is the human spirit that comes to life when that person is 'born again'. 2nd, I'm not sure God sends people to hell. If a person rejects Jesus, they chose not to be with Him forever. When a person has their final chance to accept Christ's payment is 'up in the air', imo. 1Pet 3:20ish give me reason to think that some will get one final chance even after death.

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    @@duncanwashburn Look at Genesis 5. There we see that “image” language is all about a child being an image and likeness of their father… I believe that the scriptures give us good reason to hope for the salvation of all mankind. I beleive that Jesus Christ is the last Adam - The "first" Adam brought sin and death into the world and brought "condemnation for all people" (Romans 5:18) Jesus will do no less - "so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people." (Romans 5:21) Neither the first or the last asked our permission to do what they did... and what they did has a profound influence upon all mankind... Jesus died for us while we were yet sinners (Romans 5:8) - godless... And he did this not merely to make an "offer" of salvation - but to save us through the Sovereign Power of His Lordship. In fact Paul says that even BEFORE we come to faith we are reconciled, "while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son..." Romans 5:10 The Gospel is not first and foremost an invitation - it is a proclamation summarized best in the words "Jesus IS Lord!" All who make this confession do so by the power of the Holy Spirit ("no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit" - 1 Cor.12) Paul twice says that "every knee will bow, and every tongue confess" that 'Jesus is Lord!' to the glory of God the Father...(Phlp.2:10-11 and Romans 14:11) God's ultimate purpose is (to me) most succinctly expressed in the words of Ephesians 1: "9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment-to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ." Colossians 1 tells us that this "all things" are all created things - made in, by and for Jesus Christ. Then we - again - are given the sweeping and ultimate purposes of God that will not fail: "19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross." I believe that every human born is fearfully and wonderfully made in God's image (and that somehow this image IS the imprint of Jesus Christ on us all - who IS the image of God) - and that we are "all His offspring" (or "children" as the Amplified dares to translate the word). Yes - we are fallen - sinners - deserving of death ("the wages of sin") - we have been deceived and blinded by the god of this world - taken captive to do his will... and yet - the image remains - and we remain His children - We are all like prodigals who have gone our own way - but someday after either a hell of our own making - or a hell into which we are cast for purification and refinement - we will (as the prodigal) "come to ourselves" and return to the Father... Yes - this is what I believe - I cannot unsee what I have seen ❤

  • @duncanwashburn

    @duncanwashburn

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MrHwaynefair I would not be disappointed if you are correct. As to the children and their fathers' point you started with ... it's the Mormons that believe their god was a man once, just like implying that our the image is the same as God's in the manor you suggest, imo. I highly doubt the image similarity of father/child is the same as being created in the image of God, that's why I think (that which I think I see that I may or may not be able to unsee) is the triune similarity. Surely we aren't eternal from the past, are we, like God? In your opinion, what does it mean to 'perish' in John 3:16? What does it mean for some to be condemned in verses 18-21? As to the prodigal: what if he died in the pig pen? Would he have enjoyed the sonship he went back to after repenting and trusting in the mercy of the father? It's hard to take a parable and make too much out of it, imo. You seem to think that because we are all part of the family of humanity, we are all part of the family of God. How do you understand Luke 8:21?

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    @@duncanwashburn My understanding is nothing like the Mormons - I do not believe that God was once like us and then became a god... God is the eternal Triune Being who exists in three persons - Father, Son and Spirit. My point about Genesis 5 is that it is significantly the FIRST place the same language of "image" and "likeness" are used after God's creation of man - and this should give us a strong sense of what is intended: Adam had a son, Seth - "in his own image and likeness". We are ALL the "offspring" (children!) of God. Acts 17:28-29 Many verses can be quoted to counter this claim (Like Luke 8:21) - e.g. that we are "children of the devil", etc. But I will allow NONE to over-ride this fundamental Truth of our Being... they must be reordered to this creational Truth - not the other way around... I find the paradox most wonderfully expressed in Jesus words, "that you might become children of YOUR heavenly Father" - Do you see this? God IS our Father - yet we need to "become" what we are! It is like the fact that we ARE reconciled (Romans 5) - but now we need to BE reconciled (2 Cor.5) Who IS the eternal "image of God"? Jesus Christ - eternally begotten of the Father... Col.1:15 - Again, I believe it is specifically the Image of Christ is what is stamped on every human being - He is the Archetype of humanity ("the Son of Man" who came down - and then ascended). We are ALL (apart from faith) "perishing" - wasting away -even "condemned" - but that is far from the final Word that God has to say about us In Christ. Consider the meaning of "lost" - as in lost sheep, etc. - or "lost" and "dead" prodigal son (which is what his father said of him) It comes from the Greek word, Transliteration: apollumi Definition: to destroy, destroy utterly. THINK about this - "lost" sheep and "lost" prodigals are not GOING to be "lost" - THEY ARE LOST! That means they are already literally (in some sense - perhaps especially spiritually) utterly destroyed! AND YET! God is the God of the impossible - and His Love marshals ALL the Sovereign power of God to insure that NONE of His sheep REMAIN lost - He will search for even one - "until it is found"! THIS is the Love I trust in! Oh Love that will not let me go! "God is NOT willing that ANY should perish" "God desires that ALL should be saved..." God WILL get what God so passionately desires! (Isaiah 55:11) Much Blessings in Him! wayne

  • @justin10292000
    @justin102920007 ай бұрын

    Trinitarian Restorationism (Universal Reconciliation): God is Love Calvinism: God is cruel Arminianism: God is weak

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    7 ай бұрын

    Thanks, Justin - you've put it about as succinctly as possible! Appreciate your comment (and your subscribing) - BTW - if you would have any interest in joining our regular "on line" meetup - please shoot me an email at: hwaynefair [at] yahoo [dot] com Blessings! wayne

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    7 ай бұрын

    Would love to hear you explain specifically what is meant by *Trinitarian* Restorationism... how and why does God as Trinity factor into the reconciliation of all things? I ask not to challenge - but because I am intrigued 🤗 I definitely believe that God as Trinity lays at the foundation of understanding something of what it means when saying, "God IS Love" - and this is the bedrock of my belief in UR. Thanks Justin!

  • @AtomicApolo
    @AtomicApolo11 ай бұрын

    "Loves all and saves all"? Does that include those who are in Hell currently?

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    9 ай бұрын

    God IS Love - God IS a consuming fire. In Him we live and move and have our being. So - yes, I believe that "hell" is a place of restorative punishment and purification - not "eternal punishment" Blessings! wayne

  • @racheladkins6060
    @racheladkins6060 Жыл бұрын

    All these church firings are vile. It’s like being in a Cult.

  • @dubbelkastrull
    @dubbelkastrull Жыл бұрын

    27:25 bookmark

  • @kevinrombouts3027
    @kevinrombouts3027 Жыл бұрын

    What about Total Depravity? Did you ever repent on that?

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes - only by ignoring many other passages of scripture can you maintain that we are all "totally depraved". We are all sinners - infected with the fatal "virus" of sin - But this far from removes our agency - nor does it remove or destroy our having been made in the image of God. I believe that we have a "bent" towards sin (much as Jewish theologians understand the yetzer hara) - that "sin lieth at the door" , etc. I believe that Paul describes our condition in Romans 7 (and this is not about backslidden Christians) - that apart from those who embrace depravity (Romans 1) we have desires to do the good - but apart from Christ are not able to perform it (with any consistency). Only Christ can deliver us "from this body of death", etc.

  • @JoeBloggs-4096
    @JoeBloggs-40965 ай бұрын

    For anyone bothered by Calvinism, watch "Romans 9 decalvinized" (and many other videos) by Beyond the fundamentals. Calvinism is philosophy, not Bible. So is Arminianism by the way. You don't have to agree with everything, but it becomes pretty clear that Calvinism is nothing more than a man-made philosophy and completely unscriptural.

  • @soulosxpiotov7280
    @soulosxpiotov7280 Жыл бұрын

    Faith is a gift from Christ. And God hates the workers of iniquity (Psalm 5), although God loves contextually through His son (John 3:16).

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes - God both hates and loves - both perspectives are "true" - but, above all - God IS Love ❤️(not Hate) Romans 5: 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: *While we were still sinners, Christ died for us* 9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10 For if, *while we were God’s enemies* we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

  • @PizzaDisguise
    @PizzaDisguise Жыл бұрын

    It is true that all in Adam will be made alive in Christ. However, the issue with Calvinism is that they have mistakenly focused on a platonic idea of heaven and hell. Everyone is going to be raised from the dead. God is the savior of all people from death. However, being saved from the first death is not enough to be saved from the second death as Jesus said, “to everyone, who has, more will be given. To him who does not have, even what he thinks he has will be taken away”

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

    Жыл бұрын

    I am sorry - but I honestly do not have the time to enter into a long and protracted debate over these things. If you do not believe in the ultimate reconciliation and restoration of all things - that's your right and privilege. I fully acknowledge that certain passages of Scripture can be weaponized against Historic Christian Universalism - but, in the end, I find that the many passages that speak of the ultimate salvation of all humanity to far outweigh the alternative. Above all that God's Love, revealed in Christ, will fully accomplish all that He was sent to do: "For God did not send his Son *[the "Word" of John 1]* into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." - John 3:17 "so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it." - Isaiah 55:11 The ultimate purpose of God is not an eternally divided world - but one that is reconciled - brought together into perfect peace and harmony: "and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross." - Col.1:20 This is ultimately my guiding rule of interpretation: try to out-imagine the Love of Christ! "17...And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge" - Eph.3 Thanks - and God Richly Bless You! wayne

  • @PizzaDisguise

    @PizzaDisguise

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MrHwaynefair Sure, I understand and I also don’t need to get into a long protracted discussion on these things. Be well.

  • @PizzaDisguise

    @PizzaDisguise

    Жыл бұрын

    I would like to add one thing: we’re warned to be careful how we’re teaching others. 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 [10] According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. [11] For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw-[13] each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. [14] If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. [15] If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. Those “works” being built on the foundation are people, Wayne. Be careful. It really is people, not our “good works” that are being burnt up. See below. Romans 15:20 [20] and thus I make it my ambition to preach the gospel, not where Christ has already been named, lest I build on someone else’s foundation, No need to respond, I know you’re very much committed to your position. Just wanted to give you food for thought.

  • @MrHwaynefair

    @MrHwaynefair

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    @@PizzaDisguise I appreciate your concern and covet your prayers: I would rather be struck down than preach a false gospel! But I must ask you why you add to the plain text of Scripture (not to mention Plato)? Nowhere does the Bible say that "God is the Saviour of all from the first death" - No, it simply says, God "is the Saviour of all men" (while elsewhere in Revelation it speaks of a "second death") - Nor does 1 Cor.3:10-15 speak of "people" as that which is consumed by the "fire". Even here there are hints of our Father's mercy and grace: "though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire". As Jesus said, we "will all be salted with fire"... I realize that when it comes to the plain text and most apparent meaning we will be confronted by paradoxes - e.g. when Jesus says if we would follow Him we must "hate your father and mother" - yet elsewhere commands us to love even "your enemies". So it is the case that between those many passages that speak of universal reconciliation and those like Revelation that speak of those who will be cast into the lake of fire (the second death). For me when genuinely facing this enormous paradox/enigma in scripture - I cannot and will not let what is said in Revelation rob me of the joyous assurance of the truly Good News of God's complete victory over sin and Satan - that, in the end, God will be "all in all".... Here are some of the many passages that speak of this hope (with no comment or interpretation added): “And the angel said to them, “Fear not, for behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.”” Luke 2:10-11(ESV) “Behold the Lamb of God - who takes away the sin of the world” John 1:29 (NAB) “He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.” 1 John 2:2 (NIV) “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to Myself.” John 12:32 (NASV) “for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and ALL are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:23 (NIV) “You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.” Rom.5:6 (NIV) “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Rom.5:8(NIV) “For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!” Rom.5:10(NIV) “Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.” Rom.5:18(NIV) “I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved.” Rom.11:25-26 (NIV) “For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.” Rom.11:32 Psalm 106:1, “Praise the LORD! Oh, give thanks to the LORD, for He is good! For His mercy endures forever.” Psalm 106:1 (NKJV) “For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.” Rom.11:36 “For it is written: “AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, TO ME EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, AND EVERY TONGUE WILL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD.”” Romans 14:11 (NASV) [quoted from Isaiah 45:23: “‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’”(ESV)] “that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Phlp.2:10-11 (NKJV) “that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;” Romans 10:9 (NASV) “no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.” 1 Cor.12:3 (NIV) “For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.” 2 Cor.5:14 (NIV) “So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view.” 2 Cor. 5:16 (NIV) “All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them.” 2 Cor.5:19 (NIV) “Love… keeps no record of wrongs” 1 Cor.13:1 (NIV) “God is Love” 1 John 4:8 “Love… endures all things” 1 Cor.13:7 (ESV) “Love never fails” 1 Cor.13:8 (NIV) “This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.” 1 Tim. 2:3-6 (NIV) “That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who IS the Savior of all people, and especially [see below]** of those who believe. Command and teach these things.” 1 Tim.4:11 [“When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, **especially the parchments.” 2 Tim. 4:13 (NIV)] “The Lord… is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” 2 Pet.3:9 “For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people” Titus 2:11 (ESV) “For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which He also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison,” 1 Pet.3:19 “For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as people, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God.” 1 Pet.4:6 (NASV) “hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.” 1 Cor.5:5 (NIV) “the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.” 1 Cor.3:13 (NIV) “If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved-even though only as one escaping through the flames.” 1 Cor.3:15 (NIV) “Our God is a consuming fire” Heb.12:29 “Everyone will be salted with fire.” Mark 9:49 (NIV) “making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ, as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.” Eph.1:9-10 (ESV) “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.” Col. 1:19-20 (NIV) “For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world [Cosmos] through him.” John 3:17 (NIV) “so is my WORD that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.” Isaiah 55:11 “In the beginning was the WORD - and the word was with God, and the word was God… and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us… behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world…” John 1:1, 14, 29 “By Myself I have sworn; truth has gone out from My mouth, a word that will not be revoked: Every knee will bow before Me, every tongue will swear allegiance.” Isaiah 45:23(NIV) “I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.'” Isaiah 46:10 (NIV) “I will not accuse them forever, nor will I always be angry, for then they would faint away because of me- the very people I have created.” Isaiah 57:16 “For his anger lasts only a moment, but his favor lasts a lifetime; weeping may stay for the night, but rejoicing comes in the morning.” Psalm 30:5 “All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him,” Psalm 22:27(NIV) “All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him- those who cannot keep themselves alive.” Psalm 22:29 (NIV) “For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name.” Eph.3:15 (NIV) “…one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.” Eph. 4:6 “for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’” Acts 17:28 (NASB) “For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.” 1 Cor.15:22 “When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.” 1 Cor.15:28 "He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man’s heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end . " Ecclesiastes 3:11 "31For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. 32Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. 33For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone." Lam. 3:31-33 "who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony to be borne in its own times;" 1 Tim. 2:6

  • @paulearle5361

    @paulearle5361

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    @@MrHwaynefairAmen!