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The problem with the model railway at the moment, is the bloody price

@traindrivingrailenthusiast

5 ай бұрын

No it isn’t. There’s second hand for play locos or railroad

@47606odin

5 ай бұрын

@@mauricemannion1311 of course I have seen the prices, and I have recently bought 3 steam locos, 10 wagons, and a GWR railcar for a grand total of less than £200. So there we go. Shop around. And I recommend exhibitions and even still ebay….and not all retailers charge a fortune for 2nd hand stock. Most people just got lazy and shopped at Hattons and Rails online and they were expensive second hand prices.. so I stand by my statement and I shall continue building my layout for my cheap trains. I have expensive too, but that’s for my personal private collection rather than something to be played with by all and sundry. Oh, and this is my modelling channel if you are wondering why the different username….

@melanierhianna

5 ай бұрын

It always has been. £100 in 1980 is now £537 quid. I have a box for a GWR class 94 from Lima from when I was small. It was second hand. It cost £15. That's £80 in current terms. Modern models are a lot better quality too. That Lima loco is basically, at most, equivalent to a Hornby Railroad model. The Railroad 0-6-0s are currently, surprise, surprise, £80. So no they aren't more expensive. Its just that the purchasing power of the pound is a lot lot less.

@HexAyed

5 ай бұрын

@@melanierhianna Yes and no, You could get a Bachman 150/1 for £90 in like 2012, They're nearly £300 now

@melanierhianna

5 ай бұрын

@@HexAyedIts not the same model. They retooled it a few years back and the price jumped because of the extra details and the DCC toys. You can still buy older ones second hand for 100 quid (and yes that is more but in 10 years prices roughly double).

I just love Pete’s whole attitude to model railways and to youngsters.

@REDARROW_A_Personal

5 ай бұрын

​@@darkstone_official_2427Depends if you have kids yourself. I know if I have kids I will introduce them to the idea the same way I was introduce to it. Through wooden railways and if I see them build a interest for the proper thing and know they will respect it. Then I will let them play on my layout and I won't mind if something small gets broken, because its fixable. As long as there is no malice in it. That is them exploring stuff on their own. I call it looking with hands, because my dad used to get annoyed with me and say look with your eyes not hands.

@PolishThatHandle346

5 ай бұрын

​@@REDARROW_A_Personalwooden ladders

@jamescerone

5 ай бұрын

@@darkstone_official_2427take the stick out of your butt. Like he says, you can always repair. This hobby is all about building anyway. Just keep an eye on them while they play

@jamescerone

5 ай бұрын

@@darkstone_official_2427 what in the hell are you on about mate… I’m a 30 year old who makes under 30,000 per year lmao, i have no idea what this has to do with layout size. And my language is designed to not turn this conversation into a virtual screaming match. No one’s asking you to unleash a pair of unsupervised, rambunctious toddlers on your layout ya nitwit. It’s called bringing well behaved, supervised kids to your layout and letting them do stuff. And if they accidentally break something (which adults do too, for your information), I can guarantee you that no individual incident would cost very much to repair.

@jamescerone

5 ай бұрын

@@darkstone_official_2427 I’m 30 and make under 30K. My language is in an effort to prevent a profanity-laden internet shouting match on a video about children getting into our hobby. For god sake, man. No one is telling you to unleash unsupervised 3 year olds on your layout every day of the week ya nitwit. We’re talking about supervised young people that come once in a while. And mate, anything that might end up broken after that (which would be at probably the same rate as adults breaking stuff) would maybe cost about the same as a good meal. I know what struggling is man, but come on.

Total respect, with all his money he’s never looks down at anyone and his passion shines through

Well said Pete Waterman. 👍

@robertcornelius3514

5 ай бұрын

Not true. This Smart Phone generation could care less, let alone have the money for new train sets.

@billbasey6518

5 ай бұрын

Well said👍👍👍

@TrainsOfDorset

5 ай бұрын

@@robertcornelius3514 I disagree with this. About 90% of people I know have their own model railway.

@robertcornelius3514

5 ай бұрын

@@TrainsOfDorset , you sound like Biden running for president.

@everettrailfan

4 ай бұрын

​@@robertcornelius3514 I'm part of that generation but my parents were actually responsible and now I'm working hard to get my private pilot's license instead of sitting around on my phone all day. I also am working on building a layout that I am happy with, and I'm taking my time to plan everything out to make sure it's what I want in my layout. I do completely agree with you though; a large majority of Gen Z suffers from being addicted to their phones, but not all of them are. Every generation has issues, some more than others. We should learn from our mistakes and pass that knowledge on to future generations rather than sitting back and just saying "we're screwed, we can't do anything."

Young people really appreciate interaction with older people, and being shown how to do things for themselves, and being allowed to do it. It becomes a long lasting memory.

@JohnKobaRuddy

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. Nowadays 99% of parenting is done via KZread

My sentiments exactly.....I have a four year old grandson and he loves messing about with my 00 scale trains ( I am totally SR & GWR steam locos), the coaches and wagons. He is so bright and interested and when he has a little mishap and one ends up on the floor he brings it to me to see how I fix it...then gently puts it back on the track. I'm going to make his own layout on a 6' x 5' board with three controllers analogue running, with turnouts, through main station and branchline station. Who says the hobby is dying 😍😍😍

@Eyrrll

5 ай бұрын

In a strange way, your example highlights a problem with the industry in that there doesn’t seem to be enough kids coming into the hobby that are not brought in as a legacy to someone that is already in the hobby. Having a grandchild to share the hobby with is fantastic, but it’s your grandchild’s friends (specifically those friend’s with grandfathers that are NOT into trains) that are actually more important. A kid’s friends will generally bring more excitement to something than a father, grandfather, or other relative will… and that is important. Without those friends involved, interest fades quicker and the market shrinks faster.

I'm 25 and just got into it. Although the hobby is changing, it is far from dead! People experimenting with 3d printing, and upgrading form DC to DCC, it is a very exciting time to be jumping into the hobby.

We are extremely busy with youngsters and older modellers here at Great Eastern Models Norwich

Top bloke Pete 👏 happy modelling everyone 👍

It's complete nonsense - the hobby is very much alive. I had a model railway at 3 years of age. Carried the hobby until 16. Returned at 55. My son and daughter 14 and 9 love the model building - they've recently been building the building kits for the layout. It's a never ending hobby and for me a massive relaxation and pride and joy on what you can build. I am actually not into real trains at all but love the modelling.

@SenselessUsername

4 ай бұрын

I think if you look at the shops, you'd conclude it's dying? I think in around 2010 there were three separate model railway shops in Exeter (small UK city; say 200K inhabitants, but regionally 'large'), by I'm gonna say 2015 there was one on the Ironbridge, and that's now gone since a good few years. I don't think I'm overlooking a shop that's just got another location, but even then it would be a third.

@xr6lad

4 ай бұрын

Yes because 10 or 20 people here and there is really going to keep multiple manufacturers alive. We’ve already seen companies with draw in the last 2 years.

It's an internet thing. Model railway channels on KZread, for instance, are really popular, and not just with old blokes. I think it is also the landscaping and model making that people love. A model railway encompasses so much, including using computers to control it!

Pete Waterman is such a direct no nonsense and enthusiastic guy ..he has always seemed well connected to the real world. And totally free of vanity. My kind of guy

Off to Doncaster swapmeet in a few minutes with my three year old grandson. He loves the trains

@jazzman1626

5 ай бұрын

Hope you two have a wonderful day!

@REDARROW_A_Personal

5 ай бұрын

Would really like to go to a swap meet or second hand market. I really like old stuff, because it gives me nostalgia for a time I wasn't alive. Not that I have a set era for my layout to me it's just some country that while it operates modern stock. It operates a lot of older rolling stock. I visited the model store a few times and did buy some second hand stuff and plan to buy more in the future.

Great words Pete we should act on them and let younger people learn and enjoy the hobby.

It's all right for Pete Waterman. He can afford an actual locomotive. Most people cannot afford a Hornby set these days.

As a young model railway enthusiast I know many other young people who love model trains but buy second hand as it is cheaper the model railway industry is not dying it’s adapting

@Rob1972Gem

5 ай бұрын

I’m considered myself to be a young model training enthusiast when I go to a lot of the train fares. And exhibitions I’m often the youngest person there and I’m 53 years of age, make that what you will

@andywilliams7323

5 ай бұрын

@@Rob1972GemBecause you're going to the wrong exhibitions. You're probably going to what I like to call the stuffy old foggie exhibitions. Where most of the exhibitors are old men still living in the 1970s with regards to the hobby, and nearly always displaying heritage steam-era layouts that today's young and kids can't identify with. Because for today's young and kids, the steam era is not what they grew up in and is too far in the past. All very dull for young people and kids. You go to Pete's annual exhibition in Chester, and you'll see lots of young people and kids. Because Pete's exhibitions cater for young people and kids. Pete's exhibitions are modern, digital, fun, vibrant, exciting and highly interactive. Plus 99% of the layouts are present-day modern, with modern infrastructure and scenery, modern locos and rolling stock and modern digital and electronic model technologies. Which is what today's young and kids want to see. They don't want to see 99% heritage steam.

@damiendye6623

5 ай бұрын

​@Trainrhys yep 3d printers will take over as they are doing already

A well put sentiment Pete!

The overall scene of model railways, model kit building and war game figure painting is very much alive and kicking!

Well said Pete a very balanced perspective and remembering what worked for you a a kid, ditto for me! Never been a better time to be in this multi faceted hobby, something for everyone. Can go from the simplest to most complex layouts. What’s more it can grow with you, your skills, knowledge and budget. For getting the kids involved it’s also about stimulating parents interest for them to support it too. These doomsday folk are just after quick headlines and likes. They fail to see how the hobby has advanced in its use of electronics, software, moulding and manufacturing technology and scratch building tools (3D print, printing, Cricut etc) with cheap or free CAD. Also so many resources to refer to. It’s a golden opportunity to get their kids off these money and time draining mobile phones, that become obsolete in a few years, what a waste! Glad to see them go to your layout shows in such large numbers!

I also think there is huge interest in railways in general from the amount of UK rail channels on KZread. Its harmless enjoyment, a nice relaxing hobby for many people.

Pete should be getting honoured for his model railway work, his support and his guidance to the hobby. A legend that makes model railways seem more accessible.

@jasonstevens7957

4 ай бұрын

Sir Pete!

Such wise words, we have a fantastic hobby that we need to share!

That is incredibly insightful and very interesting. Love every word of that as it is on point.

Broadly speaking, I'd agree with Waterman; however, there is one, small caveat: The current (inherent) cost to building & adding new rolling stock & locomotives is beyond the economic pail - it's just not affordable at the moment. Waterman has made his wealth (& good luck to him), so he can afford to absorb such costs; many cannot. Model railways are not actually "dying", but they will (I believe) see a downturn in sales - that is irrefutable.

@traindrivingrailenthusiast

5 ай бұрын

Broadly speaking, adding new as you put it is expensive because they are fine scale models you are looking at. There’s plenty of good cheap second hand models and railroad models suitable for building a good layout with and for kids to play with

@andrewtongue7084

5 ай бұрын

Then we'll agree to disagree on the "fine scale modelling" aspect - I am fully aware of the detail on new products - that, however, does not give manufacturers carte blanche to rip people off. I've been railway modelling for fifty-four years, so I've seen the transitions that (I consider) you're alluding to. By choice, I haven't bought new locomotives/rolling stock for five years - I don't see the addition of weathering or digital sound particularly as an enhancement - I can weather my own vehicles & employ that salient free gift known as imagination if I want an audible reminder; my son (by his own volition) shares those sentiments, & when & if his children so choose to play with them, then they can.

Well agreed Pete, especially given I'm of the next generation of railway modellers. I'm in my early 20s and I've been in the hobby for over 10 years at this point (I started before I turned 9, little thanks to one of my uncles who kind of kickstarted it for me) and I have seen the same sort of issues UK modellers are facing but if you think it's bad in the UK, I cop it worse as I'm Australian. Despite the high costs of railway locomotives in Australia (a Gresley Pacific would go for over AU$350), I have built up quite the collection of first-hand and second-hand models, which also include a few built from Dapol (ex-Kitmaster) kits and some 3D-printed which gives me a total of nearly 55 locomotives in my collection, with the most expensive being a HO scale NSWGR 19 class 0-6-0 wt DCC Sound and lights which cost AU$895 (work that out in UK£). Currently, I don't have the room for a layout but I won't let that stop me as I had a board ready for a layout at a later date but because of moving house, the grandfather put it where it couldn't be accessed and once it was freed following another moving house, the grandfather repurposed it on the back veranda to protect his tools from the rain and now it's useless. Before if anyone asks, my grandfather's a car person while I'm the railway-preferring grandson. So, now I have to look for a new sheet of plywood. Part of the life being a young railway modeller in a car-looking country like Australia.

Model railways in general is fast becoming a rich mans hobby,the days of the 100 quid starter train set are gone,locomotives over the 200 mark.Sadly the enthusiast has demanded more and more realism and detail from manufacturers which is pushing the hobby further and further away from the ordinary guy.

@roryhand6650

5 ай бұрын

There's also no reason it cannot accommodate both. In north America it's pretty common for most manufacturers to have a budget range with slightly garbage locos but that still run well with a nice price tag, and then a top tier range with all the correct era grills etc. Hornby's railroad range was supposed to (and actually did at one point) provide the low end budget range, but unfortunately in more recent years they increased the prices that much it's hardly "budget" anymore.

@melanierhianna

5 ай бұрын

Some detailed model locomotives are over the 200 mark. Hornby has the whole railroad range which are a lot less than that. As I posted above, £100 from 1980 is equivalent to £537 now. So £15 loco from 1980 is £80 now. And that £15 loco was a Lima 0-6-0, and an equivalent quality is a Hornby Railroad 0-6-0 of around £80. The reason the 100 quid starter train set is long gone because £100 from say the year 2000, is now only worth £47. But actually you CAN get starter sets for £100, check out Hornby R1279M

@melanierhianna

5 ай бұрын

Even better (considering what Pete Waterman was just saying) Hornby's R1281M is sub £200 and is modern outline with a recognisable loco.

Simply brilliant, thanks Pete Waterman! Best, Carlo

I was born in 2004. As a kid my grandparents had a small model railroad. Not really decorated, it was barren. And did I enjoy it? ABSOLUTELY. I would love to just go upstairs, turn it on, and just make the train go in circles. in 2011 we moved houses, giving me a room separate from my sister and my dad a room to realise his dream of making his own railway. And I found that amazing, for I could now play with the trains at home. Yeah, it took a while to be set up properly, but my dad's enjoying it, I enjoy it, and now my younger nephew and niece enjoy it too Trains are amazing

Right on! I fully agree. I've *never* lost my childhood fascination with trains. I'm still fascinated about bogies crossing switches, double slips and three ways 🤣🤣🤣🤣 God bless you all!

Pete is such ambassador for the hobby 👍🏻

So true! I'm sixty-six years old and took my five year old Granddaughter to a model railroad show and swap-meet yesterday. I received a call from her mother asking me when we were coming home. I said, "As soon as she lets me leave!" She would rather watch, "The Big Yellow Trains" (Union Pacific) than watch or play video games. (That said, her Great Grandfather is disappointed that she isn't more of a Pennsylvania RR fan..)Truly is "The Worlds Greatest Hobby".

A young lad was practically jumping up and down and avidly watching the trains at our club exhibition. I asked him what he might want to do when he left school. The answer surprised me. "A bus driver," came the reply!

In the 80's I just started working and bought ROCO models as they were infinitely better than what Hornby could offer. A BR215, set me back £84 no sound but running lights, whilst its equivalent today the BR215 will set you back £335 with sound. lights, drivers cab and a few more bits. I had to save to get it. I still have the BR215, it is missing a bogie wheel set and the brown clip on bogie, but I bet it would run.

I’ve been waiting to get a model train for so long now, just like real life it’s late.

Well said. Thank you.

He’s completely right. When I was a kid I wanted Inter-City 125s because they were the trains of my childhood, not Mallard or Flying Scotsman. Kids today want Pendolinos, IETs/Azumas for the same reason.

I’m only 17 and just brought myself my first second hand Hornby Intercity 125 set to start me off. This hobby definitely isn’t dying, it’s just the large amount of money and time required to create one properly. I most likely won’t have a complete model railway for a good 5-8 years yet.

Very well said exactly what I have done with my grand kids and they have now got the magic of model railways 👍🚂

I agree that interest in modelling originates from real-world experience. If the kids never see and experience the real thing, it's hard to see how they would be interested in a model. We do try to take our grand-kids on the train as much as possible, and it makes a lot of sense because our train journeys, funnily enough to Liverpool Chester and Crewe mainly, are often cheaper and more convenient than travelling by car. We also take them to preserved railways too, so they do see some live steam, but I agree their interest is mostly on modern trains. We had a wonderful day at Worth Valley last week! Anything that encourages children into making stuff is a huge bonus, but it requires more effort and support than giving them a computer screen. But as you say, Pete, the interest must come from the kids themselves first. We visited Making Tracks 3, several times at Chester last year, and based on what we saw there, I would definitely say model railways are NOT dying - quite the opposite.

My son will be 3 years old in August 2024 and I will be buying him a train set for his Birthday, probably Thomas. I am 51 and never had a train set in my life yet, so im excited as well. The Hobby will not die out 😀

I was at the Model Rail Exhibition in Glasgow a few days ago. It was mobbed. And there were lots of young people there. My nine-year-old grandson told his mum he would like a model rail set.

it doesnt matter if young people want to get into it everything is so expensive

I first went to a model railway exhibition at Caxton Hall in the fifties. I was amazed to see the Bassett lowke stuff that is the gauge that I like

He is totally on Point! I have access to three model railway shows this weekend. Oh the dilemma (lol). I've been in the hobby for 45 years, in that time, I have more access to different products than ever. Statistics: ok, you can argue that the market share of Model Trains is slimming, but the past time/leisure market base is growing. In Germany, the Model Train market is a $330 million a year industry. France is $35 million a year. No eGame levels, but nothing to sneeze at either. Closing of various distributors Like Model Train Stuff in the US. I would not conflate market and business dynamics to the health of the hobby. Sears once dominated the US, but they are virtually gone, but the market for consumer goods is exponentially higher. There is a saturation of distribution modes that are not necessarily endemic to the Model Railroad Industry, but carry our hobby's product (e.g. Amazon, eBay, etc)

And yet, here I am at almost 40 and I can’t afford it, not even close and that’s with a good income, I can’t buy what I want because of people buying up whole batches before they even hit the shelves. I think the older generation need to stop burying their heads in the sand and wake up that the costs have gone stupid, and the whole hobby has gone too complex in terms of digital. Simplification and drastic lowering in price and bigger batches of models also a cap on how many people are allowed to purchase

I have an 11 year old son. All I do is set up the baseboards, track and controller in the conservatory every year and he plays with the trains in the way he wants to. Yesterday I had to repair one of the trains where blue tack he had used to make a 'modification' had taken off a hand rail but it's back as it should be now. He astonishes me with his knowledge on Sir Nigel Gresley locos from watching youtube. It is not just idle play but a way to learn about engineering, digital electronics, history and more...

Used to love my Hornby set as a kid, never got seriously into it but great memories.

I went to the Rocky Mountain Train Show in Denver last year. It's a very large show - It was packed. I saw so many kids and teenagers running the trains. I saw so much interaction from spectators. I saw tons of families. One of my close friends just passed his grandpa's HO trains down to his little daughter who loves trains. I gave a whole entire box of my old HO trains to my buddy's kids - they loved it. The only reason I didn't buy more model trains the past 20 years is because I didn't have room to run them. Now that I have space, I got into G scale. Lots of factors, but the main theme is to get kids into trains and model trains. Then facilitate that into a passion.

I enjoy reading old model magazines, and people in the op-eds of 60 years ago were saying that the hobby was dying. If you read between the lines it's people complaining that the hobby and/or the world is changing. In the 60s they were bemoaning plastic kits that were pedestrianizing the hobby; only "real modellers" were the ones that scratchbuilt their own window muntins. When I was a kid in the early aughts it was those dang video games that were "stealing" kids' attention. Neither of those killed model railroading. In fact, a lot of younger people in the hobby today are using those digital skills to 3d print whichever prototype they have an interest in, not unlike the machinists who were foundational to model railroading 90 years ago. The sentiment of this gentleman is lovely, and he's entirely correct. Model railroading isn't dying; what people want to model and gow they model it is changing. That's always how it's been, and that's a good thing.

Great ambassador for model railways. Love watching Him on TV. So enthusiastic & inspiring.

Had my first Hornby train set when I was 13 and loved it, used to save up from my £1 a week pocket money, and buy extra bits for it, don't know what happend to it now, I'm 59 now and am buying up track, loco's, carriges etc etc to make a large layout, am going in with not a lot of knowledge but can't wait to get going, cheers 🥂

I already had respect for Pete as an insanely-popular record producer of the 80s. And I already knew that he had somehow managed to maintain a connection with his roots over the years. But after watching this I like the guy even more.

Well done Mr Waterman, great job. I’ve got all of my model railway ‘stuff’ still in readiness for when I can get a house where I can put it all back out ! I started off going to a model railway club when I was a lad, it was fantastic .

The closure/demise of Hattons is a sad day for model railways.

We have a Community Model Railway at March Station (checkout Friends of March Railway Station), which is available for anyone to come and work on and use. We have a couple of really keen youngsters that come along and also to work on the 1:1 scale track we have on the disused railway we are restoring. It's great seeing youngsters getting involved and learning from the "old hands" in the group.

Great video and absolutely spot on from Pete

Remember in James May Toy Stories he said trains are for playing with, not collecting. He wanted a train set not a model railway. But importantly it is the hands on playing that children want.

One. Hundred. Per. Cent. Pete's attitude is spot on here. I love his perspective that when he was small, his interest was fired by the speed and excitement of trains. At the time, that looked different, but his excitement at a Jubilee is the same impetus as a kid's excitement at an Azuma today. And personally, if a kid is impressed by a Pendo zipping past Tebay services at 110mph, they'll be positively bouncing when they see Tangmere or Earl of Mount Edgcumbe at full chat on a charter.

I am 64 years old just starting to build my 1st railway. Both ends of the scale,

Waterman is 77 years old,I am 79, I cannot afford any of today's obscenely expensive locomotives. He is a multi millionaire, having made his money in the music business,and good on him but do not come out spouting that we can all afford this hobby anymore.

@markarnold8160

5 ай бұрын

I didn't think he said that. He said let kids get interactive with the layout and they'll be into the hobby for life, which they won't be if told not to touch anything. The point was about the hobby dying out, which it isn't.

Still got my intercity 125 hornby set from the 80s circle track was costly back then

currently trying to set up a small N Gauge railway for myself (160cm X 80cm), what I have noticed is that engines/locos, rolling stock, points, and other pieces of track, in general, are f**king expensive ....

he’s so nice I don’t think I would be able to let people knock around or misplace things on model railways

I strongly suspect Mr. Waterman pays someone else to "make another tree". I'd also like to see his reaction if a tiny grasping hand caused a derailment on his East Coast Mail Line layout, thereby causing the locomotive pantograph to wreck several yards of exquisite hand-crafted overhead catenary.

Alive and kicking, We are at Chapel en le frith leisure centre this weekend with the New mills railway modellers

Thanks Pete. I’m a young modeller and makes me feel much more a part of it

Yesterday I was shouted at by an old man for trying to help a derailment which due to a miscommunication I caused. Wish there was more people like Pete in the hobby.

Couldn't agree more, I had the pleasure of operated a small layout at the Manchester club exhibition. It was operated from the front, there were no barriers, children were asked if they would like to drive a train, yes please always the answer. instructed on how the controller worked and trains moved with an adult guided them on moves, just in case we had an emergency stop button ( it was never used). The queue got longer.... They were all appreciative there parents generous with their thanks. We received many kind comments, most common being "this has never happened before" It was pre Christmas and train set became the order of the day, advice given when requested...... This modest layout won the publics layout of the show vote. I leave yo to wonder why ??

Well said, Pete.

Found this layout many years ago, whilst I need to stick with N the scale of his layout is my absolute favourite.

I couldn't have put it in any better words than Pete has, I'm 58 and started my lay out 2 years ago, I let my 2 young grandsons play with it & if things get damaged they are easily repaired, after all it's what model railways are about, building & repairing & enjoyment for the family

With my exhibition layouts, if young people ask questions and ask if they can run it, as long as the parent/carer/gran or grandad are happy so am I. We need to loose this thing of it's mine, hands of, I never have barriers. On the other thing of price, yes some of the rolling stock is getting expensive but look at the detail your getting compared with older locos and stock.

I’ve been a railway enthusiast since I went to the Severn valley railway when i was 4 and the first engine I rode on was 7802 Bradley manor

Was a model railer as a kid, got scammed by an adult and quit it. Now 33 so tempted to start again just for the HST that got released, will forever miss my Coronation Scott though.

He's right. I used to help out at exhibitions. I've seen dads drag their kids along looking bored and by the time they leave a couple of hours lated they're converted. As PW says the key is letting them get involved and DOING something, especially MAKING something. Let them put together even the most basic Airfix wagon kit and they love it. Show them how to make a P4 turnout from scratch and you'll find they're fascinated just to learn how to use a file properly. Don't write off the kids of today- we were all young and stupid once.

Couldn't agree more Pete, When I was 7,8 all I wanted to see at shows like Warley was a moden image layouts like on the WCML and that what exited me. its what you grow up with and its that you want to recreate. I am extremely fortunate that my dad gave me the opportunity to build that appreciation and I could get hold of those trains then they came out before they went through the roof in price . 2012,2013 then the virgin Pendolino and London midland 350 came out respectively. It's crushing to think if people want the full length trains like a 9 or 11 car 390 it now costs over £250 just to buy the extra coaches on top of the £300-400 cost of the train.

I’m with Pete on this one. When I was a kid, it was the time of transition from steam to diesel/electric. My dad bought me secondhand models and built a simple layout on a board. I played with it all of the time. Did the same for my sons and will do the same for my grandson and granddaughters. Still got a lot of my old locomotives and rolling stock. They’ll be passed on to my kids and grandkids.

I just realized that my 3 daughters are 4th generation model RR’s. Neat. My Grandfather’s American Flyer is gone. But the 1949 to 50’s Lionel he bought my Father are still going strong. I’ve added some. Neat

This applies to so many hobbies in life. Good stuff.

i went to a local club after years of trying to gain the confidence it was totally the opposite i spent 3 hrs just talking and looking at there layout by the end i never went back

Amazing gentleman!!

I've taken early retirement and have just commissioned someone to build a 1990's TMD for me. I wouldn't know where to start building a layout plus I have a disability that would limit what I could do with regards to building my own layout.

It's not dead .. its evolving..

All I have noticed where I live is train shows are dying. No one younger is building display layouts. The cost to get into this hobby is now outlandish. RIP Model Railways, and just look at Hornby's share price to see how it's tanking to $0

@modelrailwaysandme

5 ай бұрын

Isn't St Lukes still going?

@leokimvideo

5 ай бұрын

@@modelrailwaysandme No, St Lukes stopped just before Covid. It was getting smaller and smaller every year. We lost the big show at the Thornleigh Brick Pit as well before Covid. It moved out west. It was also suffering much lower numbers and fewer displays.

@joshuahill6153

4 ай бұрын

It is becoming TOO hard to find suitable leasing space, short-term for a long-weekend. It's either too small or churches have taken it, or too expensive. Progressively our leasing space went smaller and smaller and the price went up and up. No more hobby show. This hobby show was displaying all hobbies, it was a catchment for youth. Also a lack of hobbies to display forced it to be more of an arts & craft show which didn't help either.

I would agree but he slightly overlooks the increased cost of the hardware, loco's etc

Well said Pete.

Spot on!

Go Pete Waterman, go, go go!!!! I think he makes a brilliant argument about modern set ups for the modern generation. They want to relate to stuff they are familiar with. There is something very human about wanting to have the tangible experience, of creating things, and even building a world that you can control as a way to escape. I remember circa 1981 when home computer games (Atari, anyone) were the rage. Even though there was some switch to virtual games, modelling withstood that onslaught, and today, there are so many offerings from various companies, plus 3D modeling (uk oh, the computer!) that allows people to create a bespoke item for a model. Maybe that is where the two come together, with computers being a tool to aid in the hobby, and not the hobby itself.

It kinda is dying when models are getting more expensive and the intergenerational wealth divide growing stronger than ever

I was annoyed that when they re-built the Poole Park miniature railway they opted for a "steam outline" battery powered loco and NOT something that resembled a "Pendolino" or similar. As Pete says: Children and young people want to see a smaller version of what is on the real railways.

I was never into trains until I rode on VIA Rail almost everyday while I completed my degree. After I graduated I purchased an HO scale model of the exact train I rode frequently.

Great words of wisdom from the master lol. Take heed modellers. 😊

I'm a 30 year old parent, and my son loves playing with trains, and is fascinated with model trains. I'd sooner prefer he plays with something physical and real, so agree with Pete completely. I'll be sure to foster his excitement for the subject.

good point of view, my railway club (romford) only have 16 full members but no youngsters. but this is only due to not advertising our club to the general public, funds don't go that far! but we are thriving with new layouts.

@railenthusiast88

5 ай бұрын

I'm actually living locally to Romford with a rail collection but no space to build a layout. Depends how you define young but mid 30s here.

The problem is that what the "kids" (and adults who now have a job who can pay for it) see there is what they want, all the scenery, track layout, a huge variety of trains, and that takes a LOT of time and a lot of money to get to that point, not to mention a large dedication of space that many people simply do not have. So what people end up doing is paying 300 bucks for the cheapest quality trains and cars that come in a kit and go around in an oval made of snap together track on the dining room table and it really doesn't have the same feel and you get bored of it quite easy. You can see it in a lot of Train-tubers who don't have complete setups, or who are "starting over", a year later after they "start over" and sure they have trains running, but it usually isn't close to what one would call "done". Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking the hobby, like any hobby you need to put the dedication into it to even attempt to get anywhere close to that level of enjoyment, I've seen it in the salt water aquarium industry (which I recently got out of after 20 years or so), they buy the tank, the equipment the rocks, they spend a ton of money on tiny little coral pieces, and after a year they're gone because problems or lack of effort to keep it pristine, or costs, not realizing all those big colorful corals you see in someones tank that is what made you want to get in took years and years to grow to those sizes. For many people, the occasional trip to a train club's layout where they rent a large space, have lots of knowledgeable members working on a fantastically huge layout, is enough to give that feeling of joy.

What manufacturers' need to do is make cheaper toy models, with excellent drive sytems with the ability to up-detail. £70- £100 with the ability to easily add finer details and improvements. No new-comer is gonna spend 200-250 on a rivet accurate loco model for themselves or for the younger generation. There should be several DMUs & EMU 3 car sets foe £120-£150 with some basic lights and sounds and everyone would love them as toys and models. They're better suited for kids to handle than steam locos and they're what people see everyday. For me the hobby has always been about creating a mood or a theme first, not an accurate representation.

Thanks Peter, nailed it

Happy birthday Pete 👏

That's the man I know.... he gets it, what an envoy