Perturabo would have stayed loyal if Vulkan had found Perty rather then Horus. Think about it. Both have a love for the forge, both have a mutual respect for each other, Both have problems dealing with their anger, both have done horrible things in a fit of rage and the mini warhound titan from the fulgrim beatdown was a gift from vulkan. I wish Perturabo could get a redemption arc. The man deserves a hug

@patrickiamonfire965

2 ай бұрын

So does everyone else. I’m sure Vulkan can fill that order.

@sergsaberon3066

2 ай бұрын

I always wonder why Vulkan wasnt effective enough to sway perty.

@epiceg9464

2 ай бұрын

@@sergsaberon3066 vulkan and perty were often at different places in the galaxy, meaning that they never were close enough to really develop any true brotherhood

@Ballagorn_Ironblood

Ай бұрын

Vulkan care to much for normal humans for Perturabos liking, Lord of Iron would remain loyal if he would not see the Eye of Terror like 200 years every day every hour every second by just raising his head up

@OneReallyGrumpyJill

Ай бұрын

Perty missed that brotherly stern love, and I think Vulkan would've slapped him upside the head, went "Trauma is trauma, but you are still piece of shit, brother" and then given him a hug. Don't get me wrong, Perty needed some love and recognition, but that was only half the problem. I still think Curze was more tragic than Perty.

Perturabo is simultaneously the galaxy’s largest martyr complex, inferiority complex, and superiority complex stacked on top of eachother in power armor.

@Jacobp-li9fi

22 күн бұрын

You missed workaholic

"We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity." Damn. That fits perfectly. Well done, sir.

@EmonWBKstudios

2 ай бұрын

Workers of the world, unite!

@justincapone

2 ай бұрын

“The Great Dictator” Charlie Chaplains first talking picture and he decides to knock it out of the freaking park!

I want to add that Perturabo was capable of kindness and compassion, in Magnus’s primarch novel Perty features a lot in. He is coordinating the evacuation of an entire planet, and he puts just as much effort into it as he does any siege, total commitment to evacuating as many people as possible. And it also shows off his genuine brotherhood with Magnus, they’re nerd bros, they love knowledge and Perty cares for Magnus and tries to warn him off from doing things he knows he shouldn’t do.

@Dogue83

Ай бұрын

I loved it when he told off Magnus from using the Warp.

Getting told "Shut up and get it done." can and will turn into telling yourself "Shut up and get it done." Thanks for this video.

I wish Vulkan had found him instead of Horus, that would have given Perturabo the emotional anchor he so desperately needed. Many of the traitor primarchs had their issues that might not have been solved by the Emperor not being a dick, like Angron and Mortarion, but Perturabo is the best example of a person who just wanted to be loved and appreciated. I still remember how emotional he got when the Emperor arrived on Olympia, he was so deperate to find someone who really cared about him.

@zedhiro6131

Ай бұрын

And how did he treat his adopted father when he met big e? Perty was princeling of that world, he had wealth, stature, accolades, and power.

@Artemisarrowzz

Ай бұрын

His adopted father actually did love him and he only came to realize it long after he was gone

Perturabo is the personification of "I did so much, and got so little in return."

@frostmagemarii

Ай бұрын

Bull. He volunteered for everything, he pushed his legion to never stop and then NEVER wanted accolades until he was alone, then he complained that he never got any. He wanted people to shower him with praise while constantly saying "guys, you don't have to do this. It was nothing, seriously. Stop, you're embarrassing me."

@I_am-lost.

Ай бұрын

Perturabo is the guy who willingly signs up for a job, then spends ages complaining about it and then wonders why no one wants to be near him or reward him

@alejandrorp5160

Ай бұрын

He's a martyr complex on legs

@Kallisto.0

Ай бұрын

"I tried so hard and got so far But in the end, it doesn't even matter I had to fall to lose it all But in the end, it doesn't even matter" ~Perturabo

@ThelastofNazarick

Ай бұрын

​@I_am-lost. Key difference. He complains so rarely in public. Only in private moments does he complain. It's more: "this is a tough job. We always get these jobs. Would it be so wrong to trade jobs with fulgrim? Let's see how 200 warriors handle the hrud. How about the word bearers? They gonna preach down the hrud? How about the space wolves or world eaters?

Calling Perty a "Meanie poo-poo head" made me chuckle.

perturabo the very essence of a Greek tragedy

I think Peter Turbo was an experiment in built in knowledge. Like the Orks or the Jokaero; Perturabo never had to really think on how to solve a problem. He merely looked at something and his mind would pull up the complex information unbidden. Which resulted in a man that could never know the joy of discovery of self improvement. Just meticulous pragmatism. Everything became a matter of stoic efficiency. Perturabo came across as cold and remorseless because he never learned lateral thinking until he was already a tool of war. Even in his origin he was caught climbing the walls of a palace because his mind simply drew a line between where he was and where he wanted to be. The notion of talking his way in or sneaking just seemed like wastes of time when he knew he could scale those walls without issue.

Extra credit for using the word “decimate” correctly this time ❤

@Kallisto.0

Ай бұрын

In ancient Rome, decimation was a military punishment that involved killing one out of every ten soldiers.

Perturabo is genuinely the one character from this setting I can relate to, specifically for his upbringing and the results therein.

@BaldPolishBiotechnol

Ай бұрын

Want a hug...?

@johnpaul5447

Ай бұрын

Same. Tough it out and pull through brother, don’t get hung up on bullshit and let it bring you down.

@anirecapped.

Ай бұрын

I have had a pretty normal childhood, so GMan it is for me.

@BaldPolishBiotechnol

Ай бұрын

You made me self reflect... I do not know if I feel more alike to Mortarion or Corvus Corax now.

@Sweetness71775

26 күн бұрын

Konrad for me. I've felt abandoned by everyone I've ever cared about at one point or another in my life and while I don't have precognition, I'm both incredibly intelligent and wise so I can see where shit is going but when I try to warn people about it, they ignore me or get mad at me because I don't pull my punches.

I think Pertys greatest flaw was his inability to say no and set protect himself. Because he was treated so poorly by his human father and then by the emperor he constantly treads a line between shielding himself off from other so they can't hurt him but desperately yearing for their approval and doing anything to get it. Hence the high attrition rates in his battles. He couldn't say no to the emperor when asked to complete a thankless suicide mission and count say no to Horus when asked to do the same. His final act in the side of Terra, to finally say no to those who abuse and manipulate him, finally protecting his sons as well is his last moment of growth and the completion of his arc. Despite all the flaws in the way he of written, its all around a really solid core that I love.

In defence of "nature" also being a factor: Perturabo constantly seeing the Eye of Terrror can't have helped. Also there's his weird memory issues. On the one hand, he suddenly "remembers" how things he's just encountered work, taking away the joy of learning. On the other hand, he suddenly forgets things, like the initial events after landing on Olympia. I think the game was rigged against him before he even left his pod. Give him as nice an upbringing as you like and he had enough issues in his head to ruin it all.

There’s a scene in angel exterminatus where he is stoked to build a beautiful theater for fulgrim, but then sees it as a failure because some raven guard sneak in. He then decides to destroy the theater afterwards and all his other architectural drawings and plans thinking “what’s the point, no one cares about this side of me”. Poor bo just needed some validation for his creativity.

While I do think it's a tragedy that nobody recognized the irony of a Primarch being vulnerable about something, and not sharing it, and (IIRC) many subtle things causing Peterabo to further forge a shell around his insecurity, while it never left and still chewed at him, I will not stop calling him "Peter-boo-hoo".

Perturabo is the kid in middle school you sit next to during lunch because he's sitting alone, and then you learn why he always sits alone. It's important to consider how he treated his other sibling, his brother, who had every ridicule, every mockery Perturabo could think up dunked on his head, for no other reason than Perturabo enjoyed tormenting him. There comes a time when he has to answer for his own actions, and saying he had a terrible upbringing doesn't excuse him of that responsibility.

@Pragabond

Ай бұрын

Yeah I put it a little more long winded in my comment but his dad was definitely gross and used him as a tool but he did praise him and make attempts to understand him at times whereas Perturabo is just a petulant asshole for no other reason than he is one. He could've left his tower and went out on his own to build all the things he wanted but he chose to sit in his misery and blame his dad when he had ALL the power to overthrow his dad or just straight up leave and go work on his own or with some other ruler interested in building the things he is interested in. But he didn't. Victim and martyr complex before everything else.

More than the wars and battles, the analysis of these demigods makes the whole universe more accessible to me. Very well done. You're one of the few I've listened to that really brings this home. Well done Sir.

"Kindness costs you nothing" is a personal motto

@Khashmonet

Ай бұрын

A couple years ago I found myself using that phrase regularly. I don't even know where I would have heard it first but it just kind of became something I keep in mind.

@alastor8091

Ай бұрын

For most people sure, but I don't like pretending to care about people. Then people think you're trying to be their friend and I feel even worse when it's like "I was just trying to be nice, I don't like you or even have feelings about you in the slightest, I was just following a blind platitude." I see it happen to me and it irritates me because, if you don't really care, in my eyes, your kindness is performative.

@Khashmonet

Ай бұрын

@@alastor8091 that's very disturbing

@alastor8091

Ай бұрын

@@Khashmonet that I hate fake kindness? That I also hate giving people the wrong idea so I also don't give out fake kindness? I'm not saying be mean, but I hate and wish people wouldn't for example, give fake smiles when they aren't happy to see you. I'm 90% sure I have some kind of undiagnosed autism, so I find it really frustrating how I can never tell how people are really feeling in a given moment, so I'd prefer if people were honest in their interactions.

@Khashmonet

Ай бұрын

@@alastor8091 That you interpret kindness as fake or malicious.

Imagine if Perturabo met an un-nailed Angron. He almost feels built to fix Perty.

@Pennywise12528

Ай бұрын

I feel it wasn't a coincidence that Angron got sent to a place that lobotomized him. Imagine how much would have changed if there was a guy who could have mediated between Perty and Dorn until they got over their initial grudges and made up. Would have blown the knees off of any possible Horus Heresy, and that's just one relationship in a whole family tree of bad communication ruining everything.

Anyone who doesn't empathise with Perturabo should feel blessed that they can't. Also, most people - If it ain't broken, don't fix it Perturabo - If it ain't working it gets broken. (Thank you Terry Pratchett)

@Voynuk44

Ай бұрын

Geez bro that was corny and that comment is getting old, it’s not that deep. it’s one of the most common villain trope within storytelling going back to antiquity. The reason the trope/his story is so retable compared to the rest of the primarchs and why his character’s story is so “loved” and popular, good and bad is because it’s the most human story, and an extremely common one at that, it’s almost like the story/character/trope is written in a way so that any reader can empathize, relate and understand the villain and his actions by using some of the most common, general but strong and impactful negative human experiences/memories people can pull on from childhood to the present. Difference is Perty has handled his emotions and projected reality around that like a child/teenager for 10’000 years

@theemissary1313

Ай бұрын

@@Voynuk44 To everything after the first sentence - yes, I watched the video too. Well done for repeating it.

@XDerNetteMannX

Ай бұрын

​​@@Voynuk44 you wrote so much, but said so little...

Another thing that messed up Perturabo was , ironically for someone who prided himself on be apathetic, was taking any slight against him personally. This ultimately forged a belief that all people ever saw him as a thing to use and did not actually care about him. Causing him to develop a martyr complex that causes him to just doing the worst most costly tactics to win. Not focusing on building anything because he thought that was all they wanted of him. Even though he had the freedom to do whatever he could want to do within reason. The first example is with his adopted father With his dad, there was a scene where in the same time as calling of his plans “useless scribbles” and his “follies” ; questioned him on why he wasn’t doing anything with them. Implying that he had said it without malice and was meant to be teasing. Perturabo didn’t see it that way and believed that his dad was chastising him. The more obvious one was later with the event that caused the Iron Warriors/Imperial Fist rivalry in the first place was an offhand matter of fact quote by Dorn about who could build a better fortification. The last major one being with Calliope because (spoilers) it is revealed that the person behind the rebellion was none other than Calliope herself. Perty obviously upset and hurt by this betrayal demands to know why she did this and basically she points out how hypocritical he can be. Seeing the worst in people and how it blinds him from his potential and destroys everyone under him. At this insinuation he strangles her to death.

@nathangreene1149

8 күн бұрын

His sister death is the one thing he regrets about more than anything and Perturabo truly loved and still loves her more than anything and after he killed her in rage he is still trying his best to bring her back to him the only thing perturabo cared about most and who cared and still cares for him.

Deep down, Peter Turbo is feeling super embarrassed, being a servant of Chaos after all his big talk. You can use someone's childhood as exhibit #1 as to why they are the way they are, but Petey is thousands of years old, he has to accept blame for his present state of robot demon prince. This might be a case of "Kill 'em all and let the Emperor sort 'em out."

@lykos2738

Ай бұрын

He's a bigger hypocrite than Mortarion in that regard. Morty can at least say that he was forced to cut a deal to save his legion.

@Artemisarrowzz

Ай бұрын

@@lykos2738 I mean, Perty was forced by stupid retcons, bad planning and poor writing.

@Dogue83

Ай бұрын

@lykos2738 nobody is a bigger hypocrite than Morty, Peter Turbo might have dropped the whole "I'll get the job done no questions asked no matter what" and been petulant on occasion but he didn't become everything he claimed to despise. Mortarion became the very thing he railed against in Nikea, no different from the adopted father he claimed to hate and he did it all to save his own skin. Perty never really abandoned the Iron Within, Mortarion spit on everything he stood for.

@lykos2738

Ай бұрын

@@Dogue83 I don't know about that. Typhus literally pulled the biggest dick move in The Buried Dagger. Mortarion was looking at an eternity of cancer AIDS.

@shapshapshapshap2829

29 күн бұрын

Considering Peter Turbo hates all basically all of the chaos gods and would shove them all in a machine if he could, I think at this point he’s extremely pissed off at Fulgrim for putting him in the daemon robot suit b/c now the officio assassianorium can’t just walk up and stab him like they did with Conrad

To be honest you had already covered Perturabo well in your Iron Warriors legion video and figured you'd skip this one because of that. Thank you for taking a deeper dive into this character. God bless.

Perty still has to become an adult. His BEST and sanest moment was quitting the Siege of Terra. He could be relateable if he wasn't an OP demigod commanding huge armies... who still victimises himself and thinks life owes him. For all his innovations, he embodies stagnancy and rust. And teenagen angst.

Perturabo: "I am better than everyone around me." Normal person: "No you aren't." Perturabo: 'Gestures to the other Traitor Primarchs.' Normal person: "Well..."

The way i grew up i felt like perty alot to a degree. Thankfully i grew out of it, but ive always related to him alot. Good stuff here my man

9:58-9:59 captions on 😂

Dang you've explained Perturabo in a way that not just made him relatable, but I identify with that. I was an English major because just about everything pushed me in that direction, even though my creativity was pushing me more toward the arts. It took my girlfriend breaking up with me during my first year of college for me to look back on my life and realize the hollow shell of a person I was, and what kind of person I would have become if I stayed. That's when I changed to English to be a writer. And while my family was skeptical, they saw that I became less pessimistic and overall happier and kinder. So I guess I'm being turned more toward the Iron Warriors now out of all the chaos factions. I was already a Salamanders guy for the loyalists.

Gotta say bones, I’m loving this series. Your giving such an interesting look into the layers of the primarchs

Kindness is not the lesson of the Lord of iron. It is responsibility. He couldn't take the responsibility of failures or setbacks. It was his inability to handle the shame of failure. Dantioch is a great example of the will of iron. It's almost said explicitly that dantioch succeeded in holding to the will of iron where the primarch failed. Not because of kindness, but because he accepts responsibility.

Perturabo; perpetually perturbed.

Having recently read the Perturabo novel, I can't say that he grew up with indifference. At least not total. Throughout his time in Olympia, although he was indeed a charismatic youth, the fact that he was different than the others didn't allow him to actually connect with his fellow people, or even his adoptive family. He pushed away his father every time he tried to approach him (he didn't even accept being called his son), but he eventually accepted him as his real son, despite that he didn't accept his society's gods and traditions (it's like a medieval prince coming out as an atheist). He acknowledged his brother's humility, but he was too proud to ask for help. Even his inventions that benefited the people's lives weren't invented in order to actually benefit their lives, but in order to fulfil his vision of the perfect society. Since, however, he never accepted the people as his own, he never learned to value their lives, he never wondered if he had let his vision get him too far. From Olympia's Unification Wars to the Great Crusade, he was desperate (maybe subconsiously) to show that he was willing to do everything he needed to in order to achieve his goal by choosing the hardest way to do stuff. His intentions eventually backfired in 2 ways: 1. His brothers never acknowledged his value. After all, why should they? He did everything and anything a proper general/military commander should avoid. 2. The casualties in the Great Crusade starved Olympia's manpower, leading to the uprising and the destruction.

Seconded (thirded? Whatever numbereded) on this already being my favorite series. On a note, I think a lot of us who have taken up tabletop gaming especially relate to this particular video because the idea of being an outcast is what led us to our respective nerdtastic hobbies. My gateway drug was Magic…but 40k and Battletech got me eventually. My personal perspective is that I had enough people who showed enough kindness to keep me from being apathetic to the world, but my particular brand of ADHD and hyper alertness brought on by spending entirely too much time being shot at really allowed some of my confirmation bias shit to take hold as I continue to be unimpressed with *gestures vaguely at the world*. And that’s why I found a therapist. Also to be better for my amazing wife (she’s super empathetic and my gloominess brings her down and I don’t want that). Also having a daughter on the way and I will do everything in my power to make sure she doesn’t go to therapy for the same reasons I did.

Perturabo is a fantastic embodiment of the idea that satisfaction can’t be solely external. He never could find worth in himself, and relied on others to prove to *himself* that he was worth something. Perturabo is someone who *hates himself.* It’s plainly obvious. His behavior maps disturbingly well to Borderline Personality Disorder. A personality shaped by a neglectful childhood. This is why he’s my favorite Primarch. I can relate to the guy. I am that “artist” that was forced into a more pragmatic role. I think a lot of people can relate to looking for validation from *someone, anyone* just to prove to *yourself* deep down that you are wanted, that you deserve better. Best Primarch. He’s so beautifully broken.

@justachannel8600

Ай бұрын

So you think BPD comes from neglect? I thought it comes from a turbulent (abuse-love) childhood. So it would be kind of self-replicating. I'm no expert, though.

@Vox_Rhododendron

Ай бұрын

@@justachannel8600 Not solely, I meant more as it applied to Perty as a character. It has all kinds of causes. I’m not really an expert either.

I really liked your ladder metaphor, it can apply to a lot of things. Perturabo is a character I can relate to because I feel like I was in that cycle of not knowing how to express what you really needed, leading to a self-fulling prophecy. Seeing the Eye of Terror at a young age must have been a really confusing thing especially for a very logic driven character. Here is this strange thing in your mind's eye, what is it fate calling you? Taunting you? Warning you? You don’t have a clue. Hiding that from his brothers thinking it was some kind of flaw or defect is going to sabotage your relationships as well. My mini Peter Turbo rant is over.

My personal belief about whenever we blame nurture vs nature or produce excuses for actions beyond our control is that, taking into account one's upbringing and/or circumstances, WHICH IS a driving argument I do not disregard, it is their conscienceous decision and no one else's. That at the end of the day, anyone with a functional enough brain has the critical thinking ability to discern right from wrong, righteousness from evil, and positivity from negativity. That they knew better yet chose not to follow that path. We are of course imperfect, and our upbringing, no matter how great, is also imperfect. A childhood of struggling may turn a man bitter, or in turn make him resilient and resourceful. A childhood of no struggling may make a woman entitled and apathetic to the struggles of others, or push her to reflect that environment she thrived in unto others. In relevance to this video, I think it was Perturabo's nature of apathy, and delusions of martyrdom that drove him down his path. It was his own adopted-sister who admonished Perturabo. She saw through his facade of self-martyrdom and called him out for it. Perturabo is a sad case for what could have been and now we see what he has become. I hope others reading this will understand the importance of responsibility and choice over the irresponsibility and cowardice of seeking pity in excuses.

I always imagine the Iron Warriors exited to see their dad, only for Perturabo to appear and start screaming the LTG speech to conclude and say : "As a matter of fact, get that ass decimated" 😂😂😂

No one failed Perturabo. Perturabo never let anyone succeed with him. Whenever someone tried, he pulled back into his dour state. You can't fail someone if they never let you do anything but.

@XDerNetteMannX

Ай бұрын

Dammekos failed Perturabo as a parent

@Pragabond

Ай бұрын

Dammekos and the Emperor definitely failed him but Peturabo definitely handled it the worst way imaginable. I agree he's a monster of his own making for the most part but he DID get failed by his father figures he just also took that ball and sprinted with it and made the worst of it

Pertuarbo would have stayed loyal if he did the things he was complaining he "couldn't" do. But imo the most important person to fail him, is himself

I was the first student at my school with a fatal peanut allergy, it made me a target for bullying, it made my parents treat me differently than my siblings, and it made me untouchable by the other students as teachers were trained to be keenly aware of my health. I think it led to a huge number of interactions where I dealt with people who were completely indifferent to me as a person and only focused on my allergy, so I feel you man.

If only perturabo called communicate better. I do understand him because I was once super awkward as an anime and game loving kid thus I had bad communication skills. Always been angry and dying inside because of these feelings but all I had to do was find someone to talk to and I became a much better person. Super happy and grateful for that person for seeing past my awkwardness and just listened to me

I love these deep analysis videos into each primarch and how they represent like lessons. Great video man, your my favorite 40k youtuber

I’d say that was one of the focus on the morale of kindness in this video, using Perturavo as a case example over exploring his life. There were many examples of misinformation or under representation of how he fell from who was to what he became in the relationship around him, Not to mention his abilities being able to see terror from planet side having an effect Or having a conversation with one of the Primark and opening up,

I remember reading that Vulkan crafted a mechanical dog that he gifted to Perty. He still uses it to pass time with joy and once when he was bored just threw it at Angron, making it out of tune mechanically. Remember it drowned him with regret.

They seriously should have sent a servitor to tell Pete about Olympia rebelling. It makes me wonder if they hated that messenger in particular.

This hits kind of hard, as someone who has been to some bad places mentaly and as someone who had people around that you saw as those who should care just disregard you or abuse that perception

Granted it's been awhile since I've read through any of the relevant books, but I'm pretty sure Perturabo wasn't so much of a "woe, everybody is mean to me." So much as he *felt* that way, ie he was kind of like a "nobody understands me" while actively pushing away anybody who tried to help him (and also never tried to help himself). Two parts that come to mind are like when he initially makes something for the tyrant's court-he makes a blade. He wasn't told to make a weapon or a blade, he could've made a plow or a sculpture, yet he chose not to. Another great instance was how he had so many great plans drawn up in his tower, yet never instituted any. There is NO way I can imagine anybody saying no to Perturabo if he went down and said "I want to build this magnificent bath house I just drew the plans for." He was used for war, both by others and by himself. He rejected both the concept of improving himself because he essentially wanted someone to come in and save him (and even then i doubt hed let that happen, again id liken him to an edgy teenager who essentially wants to be depressed). I mean that competition between him and his "brother" was not the only chance he had to make art (and was essentially a competition started BY him, not the brother), yet it was one of the only ones he acted on. Plus at any point he could've said hold on and build up some of his worlds, just look at Guilleman or even the Word Bearers. Had he at any point wanted to, he could've said "hold on I want to build for a little bit" and NOBODY would've told him "No"

"Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost…" Charlie Chaplin - The Great Dictator

this one of the main reasons I love 40k yes I get massive battles but we have such a fun deep psychological themes that are fun

I relate to Peter Turbo in the sense everyone around him failed him

Perturabo's path reminds me a lot of Vader's: the Tragic villain. Probably why I relate so well to both of them.

Arthur, great upload! Whatever the frack you call these things.. I really liked you're honesty towards the end, the human element trying to explain the human element within a superhuman fictional character

Best video you’ve done to date .well done sir

I hope it's not too late, I'm not sure how you make these videos. Please do not feel the need to weigh in on the Custodes debate. I'm not a member of your patreon or whatever the youtube equivalent is, but I have been following you since you've had a little more than a thousand subs. By no means do I expect to restrain your creative experience or assume to speak for the community. I was so happy to see my roided spaceguy escapism not drag me into real life stuff this saturday morning. I've got a lot going on and really needed it. I think it's all the more important that the theme of the video is kindness (or lack thereof) while everything is going on in the community at large. I just wanted to let you know that one of us is ok if you don't want to chase this trend. Plus, Perty is my dude. So, thank you.

I've been an warhammer 40k fan for roughly 2/3 years, i'v watched plenty of videos, looked at a lot of wikis, read a bunch of lore (both canon, homebrew and fan-made lore such as dornian heresy) and i never seen someone analyze primarchs as humans, as real people, only analyzing them by the mistakes they made, their flanderization. Loved your fulgrim video, and i loved this one even more.

I like these character analysis videos, KZread is already saturated with wiki reading frauds and slop merchants. An actual deeper perspective on 40k is a breath of fresh air.

i appreciate what you do for these videos about the primarchs. you've done their stories justice and portrayed them in such a way we can perceive them as flawed human beings (esp. perty here). im a casual fan of 40k and i get most of my knowledge from content creators and it's refreshing you're talking about these characters in a fair light instead of the casual memery content creators do.

Perturabo unironicly is the lines. "I tried so hard, and got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter."

Perturabo is really a victim of circumstance. If he had been with Vulkan more, one who could appreciate him and his works, maybe he could have stayed loyal. And a loyal Perturabo would be a force to be reckoned with.

He did NOT accidentally kill his sister, MR ARTHUR BONES!!!!! He grabbed her, and spoke to her for an entire paragraph before he SQUEEZED her neck, and snapped it. THEN he put the body down, cried and shot out the windows cuz he was uncomfortable by the silence and his own actions.

Holy crap. I feel called out by the end of this. I didn't know i had so much in common with Pertorabo.

Two things on Perturabo: Firstly is that He was not shown much kindness. The second is that he did not put forth the effort or time to really understand other. There absolutely was indifference as malice in his childhood, but he made the mistake of assigning malice to things that can be ascribed to incompetency.

I feel you on the constant moving...military family and I think it gave me a very deep loneliness that makes it incredibly hard to be alone for very long and hard to let go of people even if they were toxic or manipulative. It feels comforting and sad to see others that understand

A similar case can be made for each of the chaos primarchs to one degree or the other. A personal favorite of mine is Lorgar who I feel is really misunderstood by the community. Before his fall to chaos, he is genuinely seen to show the most compassion for the people and his brothers. I grew up in a religious home where the faith was used more like a weapon than a means to unify. I grew up hating the whole religion as a child and into my teen years. Then I actually read the texts for myself and realized how badly it was misrepresented in my early life. Lorgar had one of the worst childhoods, being beaten, abused and mistreated by his foster father. Yet, we see Lorgar grow to be kind and compassionate, even going as far as forgiving his abuser and rescuing him from the mob. He then transforms the word bearers, a legion the emperor in all his wisdom intended to be used for the fervent genocide of all theists in the galaxy, into devoted servants of the people, helping them adapt to the teachings of the emperor. We have his compassion for his brothers with how he desperately dug Angron out of a rubble in the middle of a war with no regard for his own safety, nearly dying in the process but was saved by Angron. Later he even resurrects Angron as a demon prince in a misplaced way of showing his love for him and not wanting to see Angron die. He is one of if not the only to have some solid character development as he eventually learns to be independent and not seek validation from others all the time, but this key moment is overshadowed with how badly he got bodied a second time by Corax. His planet Monarchia was filled with people genuinely devoted to the emperor. They not just some people beaten into submission by a stronger army, but the emperor comes around, throws a hissy fit that it isn't what he wanted and humiliated the entire legion, before genociding the entire planet filled with complacent, innocent, and devoted citizens. All in front of Lorgar. Lorgar had to watch all those people he preached to about the emperor, get completely destroyed by their "savior". In the end, Lorgar was right about one thing. The people need some sort of belief system, whether it be the greater good, Imperial cult, or the chaos gods. In a universe with sadistic elves, eldritch nightmares, ancient killer robots, and demons, even a atheist with pray for protection.

More of stuff like this and like fulgrim where you get into the psychological and personal stuff. This is some of your best content.

And then Fulgrim goofed on him pretending to be his friend

I do know the movie the quote came from! And I think the follow-up quote reinforces the point: "More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness. Without these qualities life will be violent; and all willbe lost."

Bro, I’m so excited for when you get to Angron. I deeply connect with the world eaters and think people don’t give them enough credit and how the butcher’s nails are such an amazing representation of self destructive impulses such as in my case when I was a new husband/father trying to support us as a single income home, and I kept leaning on smoking as supposed vent of stress relief even though all it did was exacerbate all of our problems money wasted, worsened health, and overall put me more on edge every moment I wasn’t out on that deck with a cigarette. I can proudly say I’ve now been smoke free for almost a year and a half and now have a second little one.

You gotta wonder how some of these characters who seem to be permanently built into their armor ever manage to take a shower, if they shower at all.

THE IRON MAN

Hey Arthur! Just wanted to say you’ve very quickly become one of the best lorehammer creators on this platform. My favorite most definitely. And it’s awesome watching your channel grow. Keep doing what you do!

thank you for your insight into perturbedrobo

Damn man, I realise I relate too. Great video!

Pertarabo was on constrained by his own love of being a victim. He was a god damn Primarch. He was told by his adoptive father that he could have made things that were not for war if he wanted to. His own adoptive brother was allowed to be an artist. Only Pertarabo claimed he had to be a weapon or a general, or that his father forced that on him (as if a mere mortal could force a Primarch to do ANYTHING if he didn’t want to). Same with his decisions to take all the worst assignments and to never improve the lives of the people on the planets he conquered. Every other legion and Primarch chose their battles, turned things down and went about their business as they chose. The IF’s didn’t just conquer and move on, they fortified and made great, beautiful restorations and new public works before leaving entirely. Magnus, Vulkan, Fulgrim and Guilliman all made sure they left a world better than they found it. Pertarabo was just naturally an arsehole. If you swapped Angron and Pertarabo, Angron would have been a Thesius like mythical hero, uniting the people of Olympia and elevating them to be more than they had been previously, while Pertarabo would not have been given the nails, because he never would have refused to kill his mentor/father figure. And then he’d be bitter about how much better Angron had it because he landed on a paradise world like Olympia.

Dornian heresy Peter is neat, because he just has the philosophy I never want my children to feel the way I do. So he made sure they didn't feel used after he hit rock bottom from killing his sister

I think he just needs a hug from the lovable green giant

I love the channel and Peter. So today is a good day.

Wasn’t expecting Arthur lore at the end there

1:46 In fairness he didn't shoot the messenger; he crushed him :P

Actually re read the hammer of olympiad, pert and adopted dad was sure using him however he was adored by him too, so was he by his Foster sister, he rejected his adopted father countless times because he deemed than as being lesser or not seeing his true worth/genius (especially when he had his temper tantrum in his invention room) he only wanted the emperor because he knew since the beginning he was a primarch.. the touching part of it is that he was building new type of where filtration, theaters, collossums in his free time and was irritated that the olympians cared of his genius only for their petty power gains ... - a fan of perturabo, the one who was craving so much for attention amd outperformed everything amd everyone (I mean... he single handedly managed the siege of terra tbh) the saddest part of it all is what his adopted sister told him before she met her demise, made him cry amd for a glimpse of time realised how petulant and irresponsibly harsh he was. Then believed the emperor would never forgive him and thought joining horus was the last resort option... which is quite retarded given the fact they were created to coerce or genocide the galaxy ^^

The problem with vulkan finding him id that I believe that peters ego would still be a massive issue. He would respect Vulkan so much he would want to beat him at everything. The real question is if Vulkan would see this and let him genuinely win here and there. Because while both are almost very similar the biggest win peter could have is having a comback win because vulkans always been the “good” guy

Iron within iron without. There's only a few videos out there that REALLY analyze the primarch and his legion genuinely. Im so glad that this was one of them.

An unspiked Angron could've been a solid therapist for all the primarchs i think. Thats assuming he doesnt get overwhelmed by their anguish himself.

We have until he gets to angry Ron to convince him not to go with better help.

I feel like you described the difference between him and dorn with out even brining dorn up an example of them would be like if dorn created a muscle car perty would look at said muscle car and mod/tune car to its peak performance

Lets be honest, if treated kindly, purty and angron might have been the kindest, helpful, empathetic and noble of all the primarcs. Instead we got petulance and damaged goods.

I've never related more to Peter Turbo as much as I do now... I won't start another space marine army, you can't make me!

Arthur, I don't watch your videos to be attacked. But I also don't know what I was expecting when clicking on a Perturabo video

EC and IW actually have a lot in common, they both will target weakened enemies, it’s just one is preventing return fire while the other is calling dibs on who gets the free guardsman

Got a little Arthur lore on this one

I don't think Perturabo would have been well adjusted without heavy, HEAVY effort from a young age - he's got that "Autism - and not just the good kind" baked into the character. And the nature of the Crusade made it impossible for him to focus on anything else - there was no time to let him set up an agrarian world to be as efficient as humanly possible, or to create a perfect Hive city, or the like. Once one Compliance was finished, it was off to the next one, and again, and again. No, Perturabo could never flourish under the Imperium and Emperor. He was always destined to fall, and be broken by it.

I 💜 this channel.

Excellent Charlie Chaplin quote from one of the best films of all time about political satire.

Greek guy here to let you know that Calliope and Calliphony are basically the same! The Calli part comes from the word "kallos" (κάλλος) which means beauty. The "Ope" part in Calliope is from the ancient greek word "ops" (όψ) which means voice. "Phony" in Calliphony takes the modern version of the same word "phoni" (φωνή) so both names mean the one with the beautiful voice! Really good video as always Arthur!!

Outro disclaimer aside, and in honor of that one legend in the comments.... WHEN ANGRON!!

Nah man, Perty has a victim complex, which his sister rightly called out before he crushed her wind pipe , his dad on Olympia tried to get him to chill on war and build all his wonders and he responded with snide comments and derision, He blamed everyone except himself for everything

Can a do another night lords video detailing the rise of Decimus From what ever lore exists he in anyway aware of the duel legacy he must live up to (talos and the night haunter) Interesting how the characters of Decimus and talos are intrinsically linked despite neither of them knowing about the other

I too relate to ole perty in a lot of ways

7:29 Perturabo would kill you immediately for your apology.