Jared thanks so much for this video. I got out on my skis yesterday for a few hours and had a great hill to practice on. With the insights you provided I was able to finally nail it and as you mentioned once you get that muscle memory and confidence it's so much easier! Steep terrain always made me nervous before but now I am much more confident in handling it. It's actually a lot more fun now! Thanks again!

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

That's awesome! Glad I was able to offer some insight that enables you to access more terrain :) Yeah, the confidence that comes with knowing that you can stop quickly and effectively is super important for skiing steeper stuff. And the snowplow will always be there, as well. Having more options makes for more enjoyable and safer skiing. Thanks for the positive feedback, and let me know if you ever have any other questions!

Finally, a video that shows who to do a proper hockey stop! This is what the internet needed. Thanks so much Jarded!

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the positive feedback, James! Glad I could be of service :)

Hey Jared! Just wanted to say thank you for these videos. I've just started and your videos have been very helpful!

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Ryan, Thanks so much for the kind words! Glad you're finding my videos helpful :) Let me know if you ever have any questions!

Really appreciate all the videos and pointers. Was out today and had some pretty steep long descents and can see where this would have come in handy.

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words, Scott! Glad I could be of service 🤗 And glad you got out to xc ski today 👍

It’s a great day when there’s a new Jared Manninen video and a new Tom M video within hours of each other. I appreciate the scenes at the end implying how the hockey stop motion can benefit one’s tele turns on firm snow.

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

You're too kind! Thanks for the nice feedback 🤗 Glad I (we) could brighten your day a little 👍 Yeah, the angulation comes up everywhere. Not only on more traditional downhill turning. But I've really started to embrace it with my step and skate turns to maintain my momentum around corners (without skidding out). Super fast and super fun! Anyway, thanks again for watching, and for the positive feedback!

Super helpful video. Wish I saw this before heading out on Glacier Point Road yesterday!

@JaredManninen

Жыл бұрын

Glad I could be of service :) And, you'll be able to use those new skills next time! Thanks for tuning in, and for the nice feedback.

Hey this was a super helpful video. Thanks!

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Justin. I appreciate it! Glad I could be of service :)

I'll have to try this one as well. Here's hoping I still got some decent weather to get out again, and hoping there is some nice firm areas to give this a go. Maybe it will improve my ice skating as well. Thanks!

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

As always, thanks for watching and for the comments :) I hope you have some appropriate snow on which to practice these hockey stops, too! Good luck, and have a great time :)

Just found your channel Jared. Great stuff. I that you are performing these stops on Spiders. Could you do the same with a longer more cambered ski without steel edges? I have a helluva time slowing down when doing classic.

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Willy, Thanks so much for the nice feedback! Yeah, I hockey stop (and do modified parallel turns) all the time on groomed terrain with standard classic track skis. I typically run classics between 192-196 cm long. The Spider 62mm that I use in this video are 179cm. Basically, I do the same movement as what I demonstrate in the video, just with a little more pressure to the skis to overcome the double camber of the track ski. Realistically, I prefer doing hockey stops and parallel turns on track skis at groomed cross country areas because the terrain is firm and uniform making it a more predictable surface. You can see me doing some hockey stops, as well as other downhill technique at a groomed resort at this link (kzread.info/dash/bejne/X5h606R-d5fTh5c.html). That's Part 5 of my Intro to Classic XC Skiing video with an emphasis on basic downhilling. Just keep practicing and you'll get it! And let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks again for tuning in!

I think what might help folks is to practice angulation against a wall. I also found hopping from one foot to another, with the correct angulation (and facing the direction of the hop).

@JaredManninen

Жыл бұрын

Great ideas, Cris! But could you clarify the angulation against the wall concept? I'm not familiar with this technique/drill. I assume it's to highlight how much angle we have in our bodies compared to a vertical wall(?). As always, thanks for watching and for contributing to the conversation!

@CrisVillarma

Жыл бұрын

@@JaredManninen I like to put my right elbow against a wall, angulate hips in, kinda up on the right side of my feet with most of the weight on my left foot, and face head left. But I found the hopping more true to what your actually doing in a hockey stop! Btw, I made some decent progress this season skate skiing. Thanks as always

@JaredManninen

Жыл бұрын

@@CrisVillarma Gotcha, thanks for the clarification :) I'll have to give it a try. I do like the idea though of the dynamic hopping one as it kind of simulates actual movement. And congrats on the skate skiing accomplishments! I just did some crust skating yesterday and it was a blast. Kind of wavy snow, but perfect conditions :)

Love your videos Jared! We’ve had a dry winter here in NE so I haven’t been able to practice what you’re preaching yet. You made a comment in this vid that hockey stops are better for firm/groomed terrain. What about deeper powder? There are zero groomed trails where I live so everything is considered BC here, and Im trying to find an alternative to the wedge stop because as you pointed out it puts your skis in an awkward position and the skis still pull you downhill while stopping, as opposed to transferring your momentum perpendicular to a hill.

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Andrew, Thanks so much for the kind words and positive feedback! Glad you're enjoying the videos :) Sorry to hear that you don't have any snow yet. I can definitely sympathize with you. This year, Tahoe received a lot of snow in December. But I've experienced many a winter here where we haven't gotten anything until late January or well into February. It's definitely a bummer when you're into snowsports and there's no snow. As far as coming to stops in deeper snow goes, I actually do Telemark turns/stops. I'm not an expert by any means, but I'm getting better. And since I don't have an Alpine skiing background, trying my modified parallel turns in deep snow just doesn't quite cut it. My problem is that I push off from one ski to the next for modified parallel turns. So even though it works on firm snow, my push-off ski just sinks in deeper snow when I try it. That's probably not a helpful answer for you, but it's what I do in deep snow. For whatever reason, I've always felt more stable in deep snow working with the Telemark stance/turn. On the other hand, I'm terrified to try Tele turns on firm snow for fear of catching an edge. haha. Again, sorry if that's not super helpful. So, let me know if you have any other questions or want more clarification. Thanks again for tuning in!

@andrewhicks6712

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jared for your response. That being said, are you ever going to do a video on telemark turns/stops? I saw at the end of the video you doing some telemark turns

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewhicks6712 Hey Andrew, Thanks for the encouragement. I will eventually do a Telemark turn video, but I don't think it'll be this year. I actually am still doing a lot of practice with them and don't feel confident enough to "teach" them yet. But I'm always working on them whenever I get the chance (which is why I include them in my videos here and there). The K2Nicol channel has a short and succinct video on beginning to Telemark turn, so I'd check that one out in the meantime. Also, there's an old school movie on KZread called the Telemark Movie (c. 1987?). I believe Tele skiers have since updated a lot of the techniques for learning to Telemark ski, but the video is fun, informative, and thorough. Definitely worth a watch to see where a lot of modern Tele skiing originated. Anyway, keep getting after it!

Hi Jared! Scott Wilkinson here with the Pacific Crest Trail Association. Love your videos as I'm a longtime backcountry Nordic skier still looking to improve. I would love to see you make a video about techniques for skiing very narrow trails through dense forest going up and down hills. I can't help but notice that most of your skiing in the Tahoe region appears to be in wide-open settings where you have a LOT of room to maneuver-and that's GREAT! (I'd love to come ski down there!) But I live in Central Oregon-and much of the skiing I do in the Cascades is along narrow singletrack trails through forest where much of the time, there are trees just inches from either side of your tracks. Even after doing it for years, I find that going downhill in settings like this is a serious challenge! (Where the available room is so narrow you sometimes don't even have room to snowplow.) So I'm curious if you ever do any skiing like this, and if so, how do you manage it?

@JaredManninen

Жыл бұрын

Hey Scott! Thanks so much for tuning in, and for the great suggestion/recommendation for a video. Believe it or not, you're not the first person to ask this very question about negotiating narrow trails in dense forests. A lot of people who've inquired about dealing with those conditions have also been from the East Coast. So, it's a very relevant topic that I should cover. Again, thanks for the idea. All of that said, I'd be curious to hear about your experience negotiating that kind of terrain. As you pointed out, I do prefer to ski in open terrain since it offers more views and a more uniform quality of snow, which makes xc skiing far more enjoyable and safe :) But I've also skied in close quarters, as well, so I have some ideas of my own. And other people have offered their recommendations. But I'd like to hear about your approach too :) I definitely don't envy those of you who mostly have to deal with that kind of terrain. It's a challenge that can be downright dangerous! But I also know that you can't wait for the perfect conditions before going out to xc ski because they seldom correspond with the time we have to go out and ski. So, we make do with what we have. Ok, I'm going to start brainstorming on some ideas and will hopefully be able to put together a video on this topic of negotiating tight trails in dense forests within a month. The biggest challenge I'm going to have to deal with is finding appropriate terrain in which to film this :) Lastly, very cool that you're with the PCTA. I wrote an article for the PCT Connector back in the Spring of 2020 issue about xc skiing on parts of the PCT (in the Tahoe Region). Overall, the article was reminding people that the trail is still out there even during the winter :)

@markthomas207

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Oregon skiers generally practice and master the "Tree" stop.

@PCTAssociation

Жыл бұрын

@@JaredManninen Hi Jared-sorry for the much-delayed reply-life, work and recreation kept me from seeing your reply for a while! I just did a 13-mile ski this past weekend up near Willamette Pass in Oregon. It was exactly the kind of situation I described above: narrow trail winding through dense fir forest, with plenty of rolling ups and downs-a few of them fairly steep. And about a third of the day was spent off-trail, or more accurately "looking for the trail" LOL. It was marked with blue diamonds on trees...but I made the classic mistake of assuming the person whose tracks I was following for the first half of the route knew where they were going (turns out they wandered off-trail too, LOL). Not a big deal (I had reliable GPS and digital maps) but involved several miles of breaking trail in deep snow and dense forest. My own "techniques" (if you can call them that) involve mainly four approaches for dealing with steeper downhill stretches in dense forest: 1. Use skins! :-) I have a pair of Fischer SBound 98's with the shorter skins that go with them, and they were a lifesaver on this recent outing. I used them for a mile-long climb up the mountain, and just left them on once the terrain leveled out a bit on top but continued to be rolling with some short steep sections. The skins make going downhill manageable by controlling your speed. 2. Find a flatter way down: whenever there is a steep downhill stretch of trail, I'll often find a less-steep alternative nearby that usually involves traversing along a slope and "switchbacking" my way down. Sometimes I'll ski a few dozen yards away from the trail just searching for a less steep way down. 3. Bomb down the hill and ski off the trail into deep snow to slow down and stop-then ski back onto the trail. This technique works well too (and it's always amusing to see the tracks from where someone ahead of you did the same)...but I should add it also works best where there's plenty of deep snow to ski into as a "brake." And this technique also generally only works when there are no sharp turns in the downhill section of trail. 4. The "last resort" for me (which I did a few times on this outing last weekend) is sidestep down the slope, then start skiing again. Always safe and reliable, it's just slow. Using some combination of these four techniques has generally served me well. Over the years I've tried to do step turns while coasting downhill on narrow trails. Sometimes that works, but often it's difficult. My latest goal is to learn to do telemark turns. I'm actually heading up to our local downhill resort next week to spend a few hours practicing on the bunny slope. Of course tele turns might not help in dense woods...but I figure they're just another technique to add to the ones above! And yes-I saw the story you wrote for the PCT magazine-it was good! We're still actively trying to promote winter use of the PCT-there are some really beautiful sections to ski around Willamette Pass in Oregon (rolling hills but nothing crazy-steep). One day I hope to make it down to your region for some Nordic skiing in the backcountry-some of that terrain in your videos makes me want to weep! LOL

@SWriverstone

Жыл бұрын

@@JaredManninen Whoops, just realized I typed that long response from my PCTA account, LOL-this is my personal account!

@JaredManninen

Жыл бұрын

Ha Ha! Awesome ☺️

Holy cow I just did it !!!

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic, Cris! Keep up the good work 👍

@CrisVillarma

2 жыл бұрын

@@JaredManninen so what I was really missing was facing downhill and the hip twerk. I busted my butt trying to do it the other direction haha. Thanks for the video!

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

Proper angulation is definitely a game-changer! 🙌

Jared, at 3.30 you mention metal edges. Are you using metal edged skis for hockey stops? My rental skis didn’t have much of an edge and I don’t think they were metal.

@JaredManninen

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Peter, In this video I happen to be running some off-track skis that feature metal edges. That's not a requirement, however, to performing hockey stops. And, actually, I find that it can be more challenging to perform hockey stops with the metal edges because those edges aren't forgiving. Once they start to dig in, there's little chance for smoothing them out. As contradictory as it sounds, I find performing hockey stops on standard classic or skate skis on groomed terrain to be way easier. Mostly, that's because of the uniform surface and firmness of groomed terrain. Basically, it's a predictable surface, whereas in the backcountry you're always going to run into bumps and humps of snow that'll cause you to catch an edge. I think I leave at least one example of me catching an edge in this particular video. Hope that helps! Let me know if you have other questions :)

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@JaredManninen

5 ай бұрын

Great! Thanks :)

Way too much talking and not enough showing

@JaredManninen

Жыл бұрын

That's unfortunate that my style doesn't resonate with you 🤷

@DominiqueB

Жыл бұрын

I'm not gonna go back and count, but he must have visually demonstrated the stop 50+ times, both ways, lifting the inside ski, not lifting the ski, emphasizing the "snowplow" initiation several times, filmed from the front, the side, the top... there was plenty showing. Everybody learns differently, some people need to hear the explanation, other more visual learners (like you, it seems) only need to see. Jared, I do appreciate that you use different methods of teaching to address and help a wider audience. It's easy enough to hit the Right arrow key to fast forward through the descriptions, if needed.

@JaredManninen

Жыл бұрын

​@@DominiqueB Hey Dominique, thanks so much for the feedback. I appreciate it. I had to actually go back and re-watch this one to make sure I featured enough demos (action/showing) in it. I believe there are. However, I do admit that I can be chatty at times. So my videos don't necessarily suit everyone. But, like you said (and I know), people learn differently so I try to incorporate demos with description. I find that often the description is what puts things into context. Some people are mimics in that they can just watch something and repeat it relatively easy (I happen to be one of those people), but that's usually only half of the story. For example, unless you have an extensive background in the thing that you're doing, just doing it often doesn't reveal the "why" it's done this or that way. Hence, my lengthy descriptions. Anyway, I really appreciate the kind words and for your contribution to the conversation :)

@CrisVillarma

Жыл бұрын

Too many videos just demonstrate and leave you wondering how it was actually done. Jared is giving priceless verbal information here on hockey stops.

@JaredManninen

Жыл бұрын

@@CrisVillarma Thanks, Cris. I appreciate the support and feedback 🤗