Mares need not apply?

@wmcrash

2 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that because of anatomical reasons, mares tend to pee on the tail hair (not directly, but splatter and such) and that damages the hair.

@atelierpuglisi

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that's true. I'm not sure how much damage to the strength, but it does make the hair more yellow, not surprisingly

@holmganghamburg

Жыл бұрын

@@wmcrash At least no aliens or flat earthers are involved in this theory 🤣

@SteveAbrahall

Жыл бұрын

Stop horsing round! 🙂

Ahhh that's what that bow makers powdered rosin is for! Beautiful to watch how this all works! www.leatherwoodrosin.com.au/products/luthiers-rosin-powder

What´s the point with stallion hair 🤣😂🤣 Riding is my job, but i don`t know any difference between stallion and gelding hair 🤣 Real point or just another luthier myth like special wood from burned churches for violins (because it has to be a church)?

@atelierpuglisi

Жыл бұрын

There really is a difference between stallion and gelding tails. Because of the way the male horse urinates the hair does not get yellow stains. Which can make the hair a little bit more brittle with less elasticity. The stallion hair is generally much finer diameter. If people want a bow that is louder for orchestral playing we will sometimes use thick white or even black hair. But this can have a slightly scratchy sound. However for superfine playing nothing beats the sound of the finest white hair. And that's why the stallion hair is preferred by players and bow rehairers around the world.

@holmganghamburg

Жыл бұрын

@@atelierpuglisi Dude... I work with horses every day. It`s my job. I have seen horses peeing a thousand times. And i touch horse tails every day. I don`t think anyone could hold up to blind test with mare hair from Europe compared with stallion hair from Mongolia. Are there any blind test videos online as a proof? Would really like to see and hear them. The last test i read about was the failure from music professionals telling a stradivari and a mordern violin apart.

@atelierpuglisi

Жыл бұрын

@@holmganghamburg I hear what you're saying, and your scepticism, and you're probably right in someways. However trust me that that professional players at the top of their game often know the difference between a good Bow rehair and a very best bow rehair. For 30 years I've been rehairing and I still love the challenge of trying to do the perfect rehair. I've also watched some of the worlds best bow hairdressers sorting the hair and it's mine blowing to see how much hair is rejected. Buying cheap hair from China for instance can be fraught with difficulties as the hair hasn't been sorted to the highest degree. And they often use things like conditioners to make it feel nice which can hide the fact that there is often damaged or kinky hair in the bundle. And this doesn't help with the retention of rosin and certainly makes my job so much harder to rehair too. Diameter, strength, and elasticity mixed with consistency are the things we look for when purchasing AAA grade hair. www.bowhair.com This guy has a great ethics and understanding of the product I have found. It really is a fascinating topic. Not sure where you are… But you're very welcome to visit and I can show you the different grades and the full process. Regards, Benedict Puglisi

@holmganghamburg

Жыл бұрын

@@atelierpuglisi Everybody in Europe washes the horse hair with shampoo and conditioner before every tournament, show or in summer times every few days, when the hair has to be clean to avoid rubbing and itching... And when the horses are kept in "boxes" even stallions sleep in pee drenched straw :) And fine or strong hair often depends on the race in is not related to mare or stallion (compare frisian horses to holsteiner). Believe it or not :) You would not believe how many fine bows are made from horse hair washed and conditioned hundreds of times from horses laying on straw they urinated on before. And no, even stallions can splatter pee everywhere. But ok, i understand that especially violins & co. need such stories. Fans of Katana swords are even more crazy about such things :)

@atelierpuglisi

Жыл бұрын

@@holmganghamburg interesting. This might explain why Only wild horses are used. I was told wild horses were used because their diet made for a stronger hair. But from what you say it might be a more natural way because of the lack of products. Definitely when I buy the mares hair it has more yellowing at the lower end. these are used this for cheaper/ schools bows. Once statistic I was told was that it takes about four horses to get enough hair for just one violin Bow rehair. Firstly it has to be natural white. Bleaching and colouring destroys the strength. (Every bottle blonde person knows that...). Then by the time you have taken out all the short hair, and then you have sorted out all the wavy, or kinky, or damaged hair you are only left with a very small percentage which is long enough to use. Minimum 32 plus inches however a little bit longer makes the job easier. It's certainly accounts for the extremely high price we pay for the perfect bow hair tail. Now Katana sword are amazing too. That's an obsession I could easily get involved in. Don't start me on Japanese knives. I am easily taken in by Harden steel.