Another great one, Lawrence Krauss, don't stop. Thank you Penn Jillette:)

I’ve got cereal paisley and discovered Penn Juliette a couple months ago on the magic shows. I enjoyed the conversation he had with Lawrence. They say you learn something every day and I did thank you.

Fun fact...that Spock bust on the shelf is actually a liquor decanter. I had one in the 80s.

So happy to see this

Thank you so much for this

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clark This quote came to mind since science and technology go together in my mind.

@bikerfirefarter7280

2 жыл бұрын

"No shit, Sherlock". And just how do they not go together, out of your mind?

@someguy2135

2 жыл бұрын

@@bikerfirefarter7280 You misunderstood my meaning. Technology and science are intertwined by necessity. My point was to pass along Clark's insight about how those who are not familiar with the details of how a technology works would tend to see it the same way as someone who believed in magic. Imagine someone from Mark Twain's time seeing a smartphone being used today. Twain used this meme in his novel "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court." A time traveler from Twain's time went back in time to King Arthur's time, and convinced them that they could perform magic by using knowledge of science from the future.

@bikerfirefarter7280

2 жыл бұрын

@@someguy2135 My point was, what's the difference between science and technology? Why does it need to come together if it's just two words with almost the same meaning?

@someguy2135

2 жыл бұрын

@@bikerfirefarter7280 Almost, but not exactly the same meaning. I was trying to use words accurately, but I may have unintentionally came across as if I were making a different point than I meant to.

That laugh when the bust is revealed. 😂😂

@billymanilli

4 жыл бұрын

LMAO... I must've replayed that part at least 10 times. That was goddamn hilarious!

@evankapantais5300

4 жыл бұрын

man this laugh cracked me seriously up

@clitatits6653

4 жыл бұрын

Penn has one of the best laughs

@BrianBattles

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like asthma

@sadieinnes-smith8263

2 жыл бұрын

As soon as Penn started telling the anecdote, Lawrence's face lights up thinking "here goes!" Love it.

35 minutes in and is one of my favorite pod casts ever, thank you

Love you , Penn. Always leaving me something to ponder.

Loved every second of this penn is amazing I would love the opportunity to meet him and sit down and talk pick his brain and get some advice on a few things.. Lawrence you are great as well u have truly a great mind and are a great teacher.. and I’m so glad to see you back we need you!!

Thanks for the video Mr.Krauss!

What a great conversation a joy to listen to

Listening to impressively successful people talking about Richard Feynman gets me all the time. It gives a very accurate parameter of how important he still is. Cheers Mr. Feynman! We all miss you dearly.

If there's one thing I love in life and that's intelligent conversation. So thank you Dr Krauss for inviting these wonderful characters.

@bikerfirefarter7280

2 жыл бұрын

There is intelligent conversation, and there is also self-convincing false-logic. It can be partial or total.

Dr Krauss I am in India and am so lucky to hear your podcasts on KZread. What a spectrum of people you have interviewed. Penn is great and so disarmingly honest. Love this

Quick correction. I agree with Penn that people misuse "the exception proves the rule." But his explanation of what it really means is also wrong. The way the phrase is meant to be taken is this: "The exception TESTS the rule." Among the definitions of the word "prove" is a somewhat archaic definition, which is a synonym for "test." Think of the phrases "testing ground" and "proving ground," which both mean the same thing.

@dreamingrightnow1174

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent comment. That phrase always seemed nonsensical to me, now I know why.

@tawdryhepburn4686

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Your testing ground/proving ground example is quite insightful.

@bikerfirefarter7280

2 жыл бұрын

The exception PROOFS the rule. It's a similar mistake to the way people say, 'according to theory', when they actually mean, 'according to hypothesis/assumption/delusion'. Just because they have a false-logic, or oft repeated common response, to superficially appease their ego, it does not mean it is correct.

@Lopfff

2 жыл бұрын

@@bikerfirefarter7280 I had read about the phrase once in an essay by a linguist, and the explanation didn’t include the “proof/prove” thing, but I’m sure you’re right. Thanks for the correction. The first time I really started thinking about the illogic of the phrase was about twenty years ago, I was listening to a debate on NPR. One dude made a claim, second dude pointed out an exception. First dude goes, “But the exception proves the rule!” And I was like, WHATTTT???

I grew up in Canada watching Kreskin, and I feel he told the audience at every step that these were tricks, and is part of the reason i grew up to be a devout atheist. I love you two guys, and I miss talking with Penn, who I used to at our studio decades ago. great talk

The best part (the laugh) is 28:30, for those who want to replay it.

Love this!

Well produced. Congrats to everyone involved.

smiled the whole interview. Great conversation Lawrence...

Brilliant. you could really feel the camaraderie flowing between these two. packed with great anecdotes and thought provoking ideas.

Love to see/hear you Dr Krause again

@alexisjuillard4816

2 жыл бұрын

As a dyslexique the hypocrisy of what i m about to do is just to much to resist sorry but actually its not krause but Krauss, and he doesn't like to be called doctor he prefers professor God i hate myself

I really enjoyed this !!! Great guy

@Wolferal

4 жыл бұрын

You mean great "person".

@silentvanilla4434

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wolferal oh god, that is so important

'rigorously ethical' is such a flattering way to describe someone.

“The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment.” --Bertrand Russell (Unpopular Essays, 1950)

always an excellent guest

Great one Lawrence. I didn't know as much about Penn as I wanted to and these long format interviews are excellent. Great job to both of you!

Happy that my like, just made this podcast to one thousand.

28:31 When my boss tells a joke.

@kibbkibbe1115

4 жыл бұрын

same. asslickers ^^

Best interview I’ve come across in the past 3-4 years. Intellectual, relatable, uplifting, nothing but good. Two truly smart, feeling beings.

Brilliant

Mmm! I have always liked this man for the way he uses his mind. What a lovely way to start a conversation. He says, "I believe the best definition of an intellectual I have ever heard is someone who is willing to change their mind with information." From what I have read he started off being Vegan purely for the health benefits and then experienced a real emotional change. He stated that he no longer wants to be apart of the suffering. THAT is intellectual. Thank you, Mr. Jillette! :) ...and, Thank you Mr. Krauss for having such an interesting and compassionate person on your show! :)

Ahh thought this was a second time Penn came on. This is old episode from August I already listen on Spotify

Love Penn Jillette. Great get Lawrence!

Two guys who love to hear themselves talk.

@lepidoptera9337

6 ай бұрын

Well, we have to entertain ourselves with something intelligent since god hasn't spoken in like 3+ thousand years and his priests and preachers are full of bullshit. ;-)

Wonderful podcast, wonderful guest. Thank you!

Mr Krauss, you are very good at this. I really love how you approach podcasting and you enable very pleasant and intelligent shows. Penn - My father was an atheist (far before it was as accepted as it is today) and was always irritated by lies. He saw your show LONG ago in Vegas and was really happy that you approached magic with honesty. It really did change his view of magic that it could be just good entertainment instead of trickery... Great stuff... I really enjoyed the cast!

Pure and interesting fun

Mr. Kraus, I hope I have the chance to see you live...in Madrid, please

I've always loved Penn and Teller because of their fairness. Truly honest liars. Thank you for this chat. Penn is a fine uneducated intellectual. 🙂

Two ways to be: 1. Someone starts talking about something you know nothing about, and you feel dumb, and you vow to learn that stuff. 2. Someone starts talking about something you know nothing about, and you ask them about it. It's called generosity. Listening is generosity. Lawrence is a good listener.

@alexisjuillard4816

2 жыл бұрын

I don't really understand your comment, are these "rules" or are hese supposed to be mutually exclusive? Cause personnally i feel both and i'm rather happy with that

Dean , Don and Carlin references not expected. Loved it ❤️

Just a great, warm man

"Scientists were being fooled by something that was rudimentary." Very relevant today

I must say, Mr Krauss, you have some very cool friends. Some quality Humans.

@vykintasmorkvenas6839

3 жыл бұрын

I think cool people naturally attract cool people. Also there's a saying: tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are.

I can listen to penn talk all day

@carlodave9

2 жыл бұрын

So can Penn.

28:28 | That laugh! 🤣

@juiceworldeuc

4 жыл бұрын

Wtf is this? Oh lord. 😆

@uriel61

4 жыл бұрын

Joker Laugh

@dreamingrightnow1174

3 жыл бұрын

Phony as hell.

@billymanilli

Жыл бұрын

No matter how down I'm feeling, I can come here and watch that, and it makes me laugh without fail!

Wow! Blow me away, loved this.

Jillette...... The best this show's had yet.

Lets ease and gentle in. Ladies and gentleman.

Mr.Penn has the most contagious laughter in the world 😂

@dreamingrightnow1174

3 жыл бұрын

But what's the contagion? Phoniness?

@1:40:40 Lawrence refers to colleagues who stifle conversation about technical solutions to climate change for fear that doing so "might suggest to people that 'we don't have to change' ". But isn't resistance to change the fundamental perceptual layer from which problem solving itself emerges?

28:31 Priceless!! LMAO!!! 45:44 My final exam for quantum theory honours at McGill was 3 not completely solvable questions. Took me 5 hours (extended time for the group)

about 36:00 I've never heard the words "Perfect pitch" and "Bob Dylan" so close together!

@dreamingrightnow1174

3 жыл бұрын

If you were a Dylan fan, you'd realize he didn't miss a note. Listen again.

@Rx7man

3 жыл бұрын

@@dreamingrightnow1174 I saw him about 8? years ago in Vancouver... He missed a LOT of notes... The concert was pretty lousy really, well, except Mark Knopfler who opened was great

Karuss sounds like the main character in Fallout 4 when you try to skip dialog.

@xSynzx

4 жыл бұрын

HAHAHA thats exactly what I thought! mhm, mhm, yeah, mhm, yeah

@insertoyouroemail

4 жыл бұрын

@@xSynzx aha, ok ;)

@DavidLaChanceJr

4 жыл бұрын

Almost made it unwatchable. Like a bad Woody Allen impression. Besides that it was great content.

@susanpage1250

3 жыл бұрын

This is my first time listening to Kraus interviewing someone I really respect - Penn Jillette. However, it will be my last since his constant interruptions with his amateur interjections “ummmm, yeah, yeah, OK, uh huh, exactly”. Dear god, please..... Mr Kraus, clean up your act, go back to basic interviewing school. I will not be subscribing to your channel even though you ask interesting questions

Awesome podcast. Interesting guests and a great host. But please, do something with the mic placement!

Larry, thank you for giving us videos that don't stoop to the lowest common denominator. Penn, you are wrong about homelessness. Yes there are plenty of drug users and mentally ill people but if you live in Los Angeles or another major city, you do because that's where the jobs are. In recent years jobs have been outsourced, eliminated by automation or work for companies that no longer exist.. If you are laid off, or your occupation is no longer relevant and your rent $900 per month, you run a serious risk of being homeless. I have seen many people living out of the trunk of their car and work 6 days a week and rents continue to rise. I know that you are libertarian and I agree with some of those principles but the fact is we need entry level housing, not more mc-mansions

@metanumia

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@duncanidaho9153

4 жыл бұрын

Penn's wrong about a lot of things apparently - takes him years to admit he's flipped 180° on climate change denialism and then he blames the style of the people who exposed him to reality?

@duncanidaho9153

4 жыл бұрын

Ahh, now I'm getting why he's compromised on climate change - he's an Ayn Rand fan and pretty deeply involved with the Koch brothers (well just the living one now).

@onemangang2545

3 жыл бұрын

Automation lol How about illegal immigrants.

@Larkinchance

3 жыл бұрын

@@onemangang2545 Immigrants pick all the beautiful produce you see in your supermarkets and slaughter the meat doing jobs that no one else wants and the employers are not held to account.. They are not the problem. It distracts to what Wall St has done to you and me. If you disagree, vote for a Trump second term..

Yup. Mmmhmmm perfect

One of the best conversations I've ever heard. I could have listened to them for two more hours.

Music is the Best.

What is the framed art-image of a face under a lamp at Dr. Krauss' right hand side?

when Penn speaks about being lied to and seeing Scientists and Magicians as the same, it made me sad and upset that people still do this, but now widespread on social media.

Fucking hell that laugh broke my speakers

You start learning the minute you are borne, learning at a rapid pace. Education comes later

He’s so spot on about Guns ‘n’ & and Roses not pushing the envelope of what they do, ever. Just mediocre and famous for doing exactly what people thought they would in the most pedestrian way possible.

Beyond Smoke and Mirrors by Burton Richter, gives an honest analysis of climate change and the potential pathways to stabilizing the greenhouse effect.

When I first saw Lawrence. It was on tv debating some muslim guy. He was unusually offensive but did make some fair points. Of course when I saw him speak later on every other place I realized who this guy is and that insult he feels when talking with dishonest debaters. I love you Lawrence, I used to be a devout muslim once. Free now

@AazamPossum

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry i think i broke my english up there

1:12:47 Where can I read that monologue? Or listen to.

When was this recorded?

Penn is a huge FZ fan? Who could have guessed!

I have to admit that I have not read all 277 comments already posted, so this may have already been covered. If so, I apologize for rehashing the points below. I have to admit moreover to being in awe of these two men, both extremely intelligent, great communicators, and very thoughtful in their opinions and positions. I have, however, two wee nits to pick with Penn Jillette on the subject of language. The first is his explanation the the old adage "the exception proves the rule." If you consult the OED you find the very first definition of "prove" to be "test." In all fairness, almost everyone gets this expression wrong, and even more so "the proof of the pudding is in the tasting." If you simply substitute "test" for "prove" or "proof" in these expressions they immediately make sense, and are clearly true. Exceptions do "test" the validity of any widely accepted "rule." In the same way, whether or not a pudding (probably the savory pudding virtually unknown in America) is well made and properly cooked is made clear by eating or tasting the dish. The second disagreement I have with Penn Jillette is much more a matter of opinion. He spoke passionately about how he has removed all gender pronouns from his routines. I cannot agree that using they, their, or them as a neutral singular pronoun is beneficial to communication in English. He is, of course, entitled to do as he likes in his own communication and in his public performances. English, however, can be woolly enough, having verbs and nouns with multiple and often contradictory meanings. Adding to the confusion by tinkering with pronouns, however well-intentioned, is a fad that careful writers and speakers certainly hope will soon pass.

education is the only way forward

Chausse-pied, choux de Bruxelles

@circular17

4 жыл бұрын

Haha je suppose que nous parlons couramment l'anglais. :-)

I love Penn but couldn't make it through this because (i didn't realize this bothered me until now) I can't follow with the over talking, where someone is trying to say something and the other person is trying to say the same words/trying to finish the other person's sentence.

I disagree with the notion that English has the most beautiful literature, not necessarily because I believe another language outclasses English in that regard but because I've read some incredible poetry written in several other languages and I've come to believe that each language is capable of its own innate beauty and unique ability for expression. What one language lacks is what another language possesses, and each one creates infinite variery in expression. For instance English lacks past and future tenses of 'when', neither does it possess gendered nouns. Without those grammatical functions there are sentences that I can create in French, Swedish or German which would never translate directly to English and they would lose a part of their meaning in translation. Simply put I believe that there exists too much nuance with which to color and contrast with in other languages to definitively declare one as superior. They all bring something unique to the table.

@racebannon5523

2 жыл бұрын

He probably just meant that subjectively

're his note on exceptions proving rules, a guy was once prosecuted for ignoring a sign NO SMOKING ALLOWED. His defence was this meant you COULD smoke if you wished. A defence the magistrate accepted

Also, we all know you're listening... please turn your mic down or off if you're going to mumble affirmatives to your guests... it's creepy. Love the show!

@richardcrompton6009

4 жыл бұрын

Fuck off man. You're basing your opinion on what should happen on what? It's a dialogue!! These aren't lectures or arguments.

*Tony Heller should talk to Penn.*

Fake detective shows is an interesting segway.... I always wondered why Colombo worked so well when the audience already knew the answer.

'The exception proves the rule' also holds when people try to rebut a generalization with one example. For example, when someone points out that men are expected to propose marriage and someone else objects that they know a woman who proposed to a man. The fact that they know one woman who proposed and are balancing that against every other heterosexual man they know who has gotten married proves the rule. They only see the exception as having that extreme weight because of the rule.

@circular17

4 жыл бұрын

Hmm and homosexuality proves heterosexuality?

The NYTimes as a source.

Another case of a great man brought down by his wokeness

I hope you come to melbourne australia and meet you booth love to to learn from you both im atheist and want to ti go back to school and try what i could have done but went security as easy money haha

39:40 Anyone else notice this? What is going on with this? Why does the host try to mimic or finish Penns sentences with him sometimes, as if he’s a twin or something?

This is the best podcast I’ve seen ! Perfect setting and guest . Lawrence was on joe rogan and you realize how much joe is a horrible interviewer. These guys just meshed together

Ive always disliked magicians, or clowns, but i love Penn and I made myself watch "Now you see me". Loved those movies, all because I've learned that not believing in a god is okay. So I've realized how good some magicians are, but i still don't like clowns 🙄never gonna happen lol. 🙄 great interview to🦋

Everytime an artist make something social and intelligent it has artistic integrity. That only possible in a created universe.

Nice..but can anybody explain why this smart guys are wearing headphones?

@kelpkelp5252

4 жыл бұрын

Because they like sound.

That 3 mile island death toll point is a good one, very well put that the accident was much deadlier then people know and that is an argument in favor of nuclear safety not against. But another point i feel is almost never brought up in the debate on wether nuclear power is responsible for to many death -aside from the obvious fact the debate was settled by data a long time ago and nuclear is multiple orders of magnitude less lethal per W/h then any other - is the deaths of the major meltdowns. Cherobyl is way less deadly then people would think, but fukoshima ? That one is unbelievably misunderstood, from the actual death toll to the contamination. Fukoshima was a natural disaster, one of the most damaging deadly and costly in history. 20 000 people died.... from the earthquake. The deaths were not caused by any meltdown, in fact the total number of casualties caused by nuclear meltdown in this case is a big fat zero. Nobody died from radiation-yet. And even in the worst case scenario in 100y looking back almost nobody will have died due to nuclear compared to nature, the 20k deaths were due to the earthquake and subsequent tsunami not radiation. In fact its now safe to live there again...

Penn switched to a mostly plant based diet and lost 100 pounds. He then learned about why others are ethical vegans, and cut out the last of the animals from his plate. He no longer eats what comes out of animals either. Why switch? 1-Your own health (vegans are less likely to get several deadly chronic diseases) 2-Helping to end animal agriculture would reduce the chance of another pandemic & other zoonotic diseases 3-Helping to end animal ag would reduce the chance of the development of an antibiotic resistant pathogen. 4-Animal ag wastes a huge amount of fresh water 5-Animal ag is a major cause of water pollution 6-Animal ag is a major cause of deforestation 7-Animal ag increases PTSD and spousal abuse in the people who work in slaughterhouses 8-Animal ag is a major cause of the loss of habitat and biodiversity 9-Animal welfare, obviously 10- It is the single most effective way for each of us to fight climate change and environmental degradation. 11- Longer lifespan. 12- Healthier weight (vegans were the only dietary group in the Adventist Studies that had an average BMI in the recommended range.) 13- A vegan world would save 8 million human lives a year, and $1.5 trillion in health care costs (Oxford Study) Links for some of these are at my channel under "About."

He makes a point , then he repeats it several times

7:15 Wait, what...? Teller can speak...?!? Btw, this was great, this was terrific, what was that...?

28:31

Help! I’m a rock.

Love them both but almost impossible to listen to. The points get lost intermittently

Music doesn't have intellect added on. I'd say Music is intellect in its purest form. It's the only form of communication that lights up the entire brain. Just like Science, it's up to the consumer if they want to actually learn more about it. Just my .02

I want that Monkee's hat.

I can not abide using “they” for he or she. I don’t wish to evolve that much. I don’t think every stanchion of language and civilization should not be destroyed.

Lawrence, i love ya man, but you gotta learn the art of silence on this one lol.