Do you like to use Payne's Gray?

@SpotterSky

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, when I make watercolor I use it to make heavy clouds, in waves in the sea and not least in the shadows of plants. I use this amazing color but sparingly as it is incredibly powerful and easily becomes dominant :)

@stormy439

2 жыл бұрын

I do, but I am learning so flexible!

@1msfit

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, although being a beginner, I haven’t done much. However, I saw a video by an artist, whose name I cannot recall, who suggested making a chart of mixes of a blue with red in it, a blue that leaned toward green, and Paynes Gray. Each of those 3 were mixed on the chart with steadily increased amounts of 7 other colors. I was astounded by the variety of colors obtained with the Paynes Gray. It convinced me of the versatility possible with Paynes Gray. As I become more skilled, I intend to use it quite a bit in mixes. Thank you for reinforcing this lesson-and for teaching me even more!

@tmsouth1

2 жыл бұрын

I love it. Very helpful in mixing many colors especially peryeline green.

I am a beginner and it was so good to know how to use Paynes gray and mix with other colours. Thank you. Michele.

Hi..i think the best thing about this video is when you said (no color is a bad color) that said in my opinion is smart 🤔

More often than I used to ,but after watching this I'll be using it even more.thank you.awesome tools

I am a fan of the WN Paynes grey. It is astonishingly blue compared to many others thats true, but it is very clean without any noticeable black precipitating out. For a true grey, I prefer Neutral tint but this can be achieved by adding a touch of alizarin to the WN Paynes grey. I have some Jackson's brand which can be good for very stormy skies, but it has a lot of carbon black which is very noticeable in any attempted mixes. My main use for the WN Paynes grey was to drop into green foliage for the darker shadow areas. It works as well as Perylene green for this purpose, it also works perfectly for a cooler sky blue in winter scenes.

At last! An explanation of Payne's Grey that I can follow. I'm having a lovely time, sitting here, a little bowl of nuts to hand, going through your videos. Much appreciated, and many thanks.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant. Snacks are very helpful with learning to paint I am sure 😁 Glad the videos are useful to you!

paynes gray is my absolute favorite

This was a very informative and educational demonstration. I thoroughly enjoyed it!

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

So glad Marcey!

I use Payne's Gray quite a lot. The Schminke one goes into blue more than the ones you swatched, possibly like W&N.

I love soft muted greens. The mix I find myself using again and again is Winsor & Newton Paynes Gray + Cadmium Yellow. What a gorgeous green. You are a master of color. Michele!

Wonderful info thank you Michelle. I especially love the greens.

I love color theory. I had a great art teacher in grammar school & at that time oils was my favorite medium. Then life got in the way. I’m now retired & beginning to enjoy the world of watercolor. Thank you for all your helpful tips.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Life always gets in the way :-) Thanks so much for watching Mary!

Thanks for this. As a beginner there's nothing worse than always being told what not to do. This was nice and positive 😊

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

I admit I bought Payne's gray as a convenience shadow color which seems to have mixed results. Clouds was another main usage; thankfully watched this and got many more ideas on how to use it

You explain things so well!

Another fabulous color tutorial. Thanks Michele!

Wonderful! Congratulations!

Thank you for this video. You answers many of my questions.

One of my favorite colors, even with all its variations🥰

I'm new to watercolors and your color mixing videos are incredibly helpful!!

Loved this. Thankyou.

Wonderful mixing understandable for new painters. I’m learning so much watching your video’s many thanks.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure 😊

Payne's Grey is one of my favourites!

Actually my only watercolor class the instructor wanted up to purchase payen's grey. I see it being used everywhere. I do love how it mixes to make lovely naturals.

Love all the colors you mixed, am totally a newbie! I have to try these along with you. Thank you 🙏

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

Have fun!

I love using paynes grey as well as neutral gray exactly the ways you do here. They create amazing neutralized yet much more lively colours. Easy to warm up or cool down and coordinate with the colours on your piece

I am so excited to see the mixes from Payne’s grey.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

5 жыл бұрын

Excellent ☺️ it's a great colour and so versatile!

I love your colour mixing videos, Michele. Paynes grey is one of my faves. With your mixes I loved the stormy purple and the silver green best.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

Thank you for this. I had no idea as I'm so very new to this. I only heard of Payne's Gray this month when I got started with a cheap set of watercolors. Watching various tutorials it seems to be a popular background color. But your mixing of colors really enlightened me. I am waiting on new set to arrive with real colors with actual names haha. Crayola set at present. Your videos are lovely.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊

I have loved Payne's Gray since I first tried it. I have both Paynes Gray and Payne's Blue Gray from Daniel Smith. I also have it in an inexpensive pan set I purchased on Amazon. I use it a lot.

This is so helpful Michele! I really love the soft, muted purples, and would never have thought of using Payne's Grey to mix them. Thanks so much! 💕 Donna

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful Donna!

Very helpful information. I like how you presented this!

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nancy 🙂 I have more colours mixing videos coming soon!

I love your color mixing videos, I always learn so much.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad!

This is wonderful!!! Thank you so much!!!

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

My pleasure Laurie!

Enjoyed watching how you mixed the paynes grey with various colors and I actually started a small book with all the color mixes so I have a reference for my paintings.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

Great idea!

Your videos are so helpful and well done. Thanks so much from St. Louis, USA❤

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

I love Paynes grey 😊

Thanks for this informative demonstration.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

You are welcome!

Loved this. Thanks!🙏🌵

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thank you Michelle. I've just added Paynes Gray to my palette. Excited for the options ahead of me! I am a newbie and am so pleased I found your channel.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Colleen!

What beautiful colours. Thankyou. I am going to experiment tomorrow

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

Жыл бұрын

Wonderful!

I'm so glad you talked about Paynes gray. The one I have has a slight blue tint. It's a very pretty color. I have used it for shade in some of my paintings. I thank you for showing how to get some very pretty colors by mixing paynes gray.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

2 жыл бұрын

No problem!

So helpful!

Great tutorial !

This is so cool! I subbed!

i can't even imagine not using payne's gray. it and indigo is my go to for so many other colors i use, like dark dusky purple and moody blues to name a couple.

Now I know more about Payne's grey. Very informative video.Thank you. Greetings from Morocco.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and hello back from England :-)

I'll finish watching it properly as I want to notes. I think I prefer the Talons Rembrandt as a beautiful dark colour. I'm enjoying it so far.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

5 жыл бұрын

Excellent 🙂 yes the Talens is very versatile!

Very helpful, thank you 🇦🇺

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

No problem 👍

One of my favourite colours have done a monochrome in it. Now can Branch out in it thanks

Thank you Michelle. Side issue, your skin is absolutely amazing. (Speaking as older woman having spent life in the tropics, on horses and boats.)

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

Oh thank you! Actually I have a lot of acne scarring because I have always had oily skin. But then it ages better, factor 50 and hats is my recommendation :-) I did some beauty therapy training years ago and they told us remember the three 'S' that damage your skin... Sunlight, Smoking, Sugar (I eat too much sugar!) x

@alang253

2 күн бұрын

@@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber ha I suffered from acne when I was younger and into adulthood. good to see that the extra oil is a benefit later in life and explains why I still look pretty young!

Interesting video. I was once told not to use yellow. I had done a painting that was predominantly yellow. I was told that it had worked in this instance but yellow is hard to handle so I should not attempt it again.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting! Yellow is a primary so can't be completely ignored. I love yellow too!

Thanks!

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

Жыл бұрын

You are very welcome and thank you so much, I appreciate it!

Have you tried DS Janes grey .. a convenience mix of utramarine and burnt sienna so no black content. I prefer to use this now

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

5 жыл бұрын

Oh, that sounds interesting, no I haven't, will look out for it thank you!

I have Smith and Talens

Totally going to use Payne's grey...was told by watercolor purist never to use it I was like but theres many things in our world that are a shade of grey, why cant I use it now I have to use it ...lol thank you for this video so I as a beginner in this watercolor journey could understand the pros and cons...mikelle newyork strong ✍🎨👍😷

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Payne's Grey is a great colour!

@fionabromby4546

2 жыл бұрын

The tone not to use is black

Thank you for the color mixing videos - very helpful. Have you ever tested Meeden paints? What do you think of them?

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 ай бұрын

I've heard of them but haven't used them myself, sorry :-)

Daniel Smith now has different shades of Payne’s gray. I have the Payne’s blue gray which I love. I do Ike the DS neutral tint very much, as well.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't know that! I have a Paynes Grey blue shade by the SAA but it looks exactly like Indigo!

I love Paynes Gray. Very interesting about the difference. I’m curious about what you think of neutral tint? I’m considering it for muting colors. Thanks as always!!

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

2 жыл бұрын

The thing with neutral tint is it varies a huge amount between brands. The best way to mute a colour is with it's opposite. For greens try pink, blue/orange, yellow/purple. A warm yellow can also calm a harsh green.

@earth2becky

2 жыл бұрын

@@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber Wow, thank you so much. It does make sense, too, that using its opposite would give it more depth. Thanks!!

So many ppl say Daniel Smith’s Payne’s grey & got a small tube but feel it’s more black looking than leaning “blue or violet”? Ty!

Yup I got some Payne's Gray due to people talking smack about it :) I happen to like using it but according to some I'm not supposed to!

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

Ah a rebel!

@Ieat2much

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣 I love the ‘people talking smack about it’. I am buying a Payne’s gray today - I never owned it but I am intrigued by it and love what I see. I got a coupon so will also save $$. Win win.

Could you do one for mixing purples? Similar to the 10 green recipes you did?

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

10 ай бұрын

Great idea!

Can you please tell me when and why to use black. ?

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

2 жыл бұрын

I would use black occasionally for animals such as zebra or the pupils of the eyes and for any objects which are painted black like benches.

When would you use sepia or neutral tint rather than Paynes grey?

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

Neutral tint is less blue than Paynes Grey, I don't have it because greys are pretty easy to make. Sepia is great for tree trunks, and watered down for driftwood.

Hey Michelle. I’ve been watching your videos religiously for a few months now. I love them and your teaching style. In this video when you re-capped, I was a bit frustrated because when you got to the lower examples you didn’t talk about which of the Paynes gray you had mixed with the colors. I know you had switched between the talons and the other one. Putting that aside, would you recommend getting both of them? I am feeling tempted to do so but also feeling worried about remembering which is best for what when mixing with other colors. The Paynes gray I have right now is terrible. It is a very gray color and never gets dark enough to represent black. It also has a very odd texture that leaves little lumps on the paper. I am in the market to buy a new Paynes gray soon. I guess I’ll just buy the two of these and play with them to see what I get or watch the video again. 😁👍

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry Tara, this is such an old video. My favourites are Talens Rembrandt or Daniel Smith, you will get great results with either of those.

@TaraSueSalusso

2 жыл бұрын

@@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber No need to feel sorry for Michele. I marathoned some of your videos tonight with great enjoyment. I appreciate that you responded to a post you made so long ago. I am glad for the reminder because I want to get both of these into my shopping cart before I forget again.

i just started to learn watercolor and my favorite color is Payne's Gray. Am so surprised that people actually warned not to use it. O_o

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

It's because it can be problematic if you use it wrongly, but it's a great colour!

ive just discovered your mixing videos and find them really helpful. a question, or suggestion if you will, is rather than just give the paints' name in addition to the brand you are using, give the pigment names. this could be helpful in choosing colors among the different brands since they seem to use their own names for marketing purposes rather than follow some kind of standard. and the pigments used are normally indicated on the tubes. any thoughts?

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

I sometimes do this, but it can be time consuming, all the good brands have pigment numbers on their websites too.

@ulfrunquist3981

3 жыл бұрын

@@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber thanks for the reply Michele. I hadn't considered that

How is Payn'e's Gray different from Neutral Tint? I'm almost finished with my Payne's Gray and am wondering what color to get to replace it or just get another Payne's Gray.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Neutral tint is another multi pigment colour that varies between manufacturers. It tends to be far more brown/black than the strong blue grey of Payne's grey. If you liked the one you had get another. It's a cleaner and more useful colour than neutral tint in my opinion and can be used to mix more colours.

@grandma.p

4 жыл бұрын

@@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber Thank you!

Cloud shutters? huh? I'm in the USA so maybe I misheard - but I am curious what you meant. (Editing my comment) I apologize. I listened to the following segment and realized you were saying shadows. Thought you might get a laugh if you read it the first way that I heard it though. As a beginner I have beginner paints and no Paynes Gray, just Lamp black. However, I loved the blue-black that you mixed!

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

10 күн бұрын

That's funny!

What a super helpful video! So clear and concise. Thank you. Do you have a Patreon page? I'll check your website. I always learn so much from you.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I do, and it's on my website, so glad you like the videos!

Winsor-Newton is the most readily available brand in my area. Some things can be ordered from Amazon or Dick Blick. I am curious as to why it is that most KZread artists rarely demo with W-N. If I see something I want to try, I usually try to match the pigment numbers with something that W-N has, but that is not always possible, as with Payne’s Gray. Is there some problem with the W-N brand of which I am unaware? (I do avoid student grade products and so buy from the W-N Professional line.) Should I just order other brands from Amazon or Blick? Presumably different brands of paint can be used together-separately in the same painting or even mixed. Is that a correct assumption? Thank you for all the time you put in on these videos, the on-line courses (one of which I have just enrolled in), and answering all of these many questions that we beginners keep asking. Your videos and explanations are superior to many others.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

Жыл бұрын

Yes you can mix brands. Windsor and Newton professional are excellent paints, a lot of KZreadrs use more 'trendy' paints perhaps 😅

What would also help is telling us the pigment numbers,thank you well presented.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Maria, yes I will try to do that going forward, the surprise of my channel is that colour mixing videos are so popular, I didn't think they would be!

@mariakellner5429

4 жыл бұрын

I started to learn about pigment numbers because a was attending classes, every teacher had different colours in was fortunate to have all of the maimeri blue yet I didn't have what was on their list,that when my journey started with pigment numbers,and I have to say 15 years ago the teachers only named them by name and as we know all brands call them differently, I'm so glad that there is more information now,takes the mystery out

@OneTrueWord1988

4 жыл бұрын

In the Studio with Michele Webber: Yes, I love color mixing! Thanks again! 👍💕

Are Talens Rembrandt and Rembrandt Artist watercolor paints the same brand? I have tried searching for Talens Rembrandt and cannot not find it.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

Жыл бұрын

I imagine so, just beware of cheap imports, sometimes they package the cheaper ones to look like the professional set. Talens have two ranges of Watercolors: Van Gogh is the student's range, Rembrandt are the artist's range, Talens is the brand (Dutch). Usually 'Artist's' means the top quality, but it's worth checking.

@Carol0831

Жыл бұрын

@@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber Thank you!

Wish you showed the mixing and what colors.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

It's an old video Elizabeth but thanks for the feedback I try to show as much as possible 🙂

I was advised to use paynes grey to darken colours for shading instead of black.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

Well I wouldn't put it into everything, it does have some black pigment in it. Using opposite colours is a great trick, eg violet for shadow on a lemon etc

"no such thing as a bad colour" - YES! I'm a rebel and like black paint, as well. Not to mix shadows, and not as a replacement for mixing my own blacks, but as just another color I enjoy using 🤷 I'm looking for my perfect mixing black, I've had some fun mixing very granulating blacks with random colors. I struggle a bit more with white, mostly because I can't seem to find a good white paint. I've got the white ArtGraf block I'll be playing a bit with, but I'd love to find a really granulating, neutral/cool white - I know I could have a lot of fun with that! The whole "if someone tells me not to use a colour" bit... Y u p. That's how I got started with my black obsession, and it's all escalated from there 😂

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I am like that too, far more rebellious than my daughter which is odd. I don't have a lot of whites, one thing I am going to do going forwards is swatch more colours and build up an archive on my website. I am about to build a new site...

@Ieat2much

3 жыл бұрын

@@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber my mom was far far more rebellious than me too😛 in every aspect. Totally get you❤️

@Ieat2much

3 жыл бұрын

I bought DS lunar black and I love it. It’s my fav colour to mess about it, even more than Moonglow. And the other one I love is mixing phthalo turquoise and rose madder. If I could make an entire piece with Lunar black with touches of dark blue ( mix) I would be very happy.

I HAVE ALWAYS USED PAYNE'S GRAY WATERED DOWN TO DARKEN DOWN THE BOTTOM OF MY STORMS CLOUDS.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Such a useful colour Richard!

I always use Payne’s grey as a dark shade and shadow, never black. Black is too strong.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

Great idea!

Sea looks brown to me

The professional artist who runs our art group never uses black only paynes grey,I'm not liking the SAA grey very much it's got a yellow tone to it ☺

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

2 жыл бұрын

Try Talens, Daniel Smith or if you are in the UK then Jackman's Art Materials, I have used all of these brands.

Paynes gray is a fantastic blue-gray which offers challenges to use and it is one of my favorite colors. There is ONLY one a real Paynes gray color and it is from the brand Winsor and Newton. In every other brand they have not managed to produce this amazing color, whatever enter it has been in crayons or acrylic. All other paynes gray is easy to mix yourself, but it will never be like watercolor paynes gray from WN. It's just my humble opinion and experience!

@Ieat2much

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this insight. I am torn b/w WN and DS, I will pick up the WN one!🙏🏽

If, like me, your computer/phone monitor shows virtually no difference between these colors, you may want to do these swatches yourself with your own paint. KZread is notorious for shifting colors that are only subtly different and averaging them to be virtually the same color. The video camera digitizes the color, then KZread will translate the video file to a different file format, then when you play it on your monitor the monitor itself will shift it again. Nearly no two monitors are alike, so getting colors to match is a technical challenge. Just saying, if the colors look identical, try this at home yourself. On my laptop these three grays look like the same paint, and none of them look like the paynes gray I normally paint with.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

3 жыл бұрын

It's a challenge for sure Allan, I can't control the monitors and programs people are using when watching me. I just hope that I explain, and they can paint themselves to see the full results.

I’ve heard that you never use black, but not to avoid Payne’s Gray.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

Жыл бұрын

There are no bad colours, it's best to keep it simple when starting and avoid the tricky colours.

Very out of focus. I think your camera’s autofocus is on and is focussing on the paintbrush not the paper. You could either turn off autofocus or us a wide depth of field.p

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

4 жыл бұрын

It's an old video, I no longer use autofocus due to the problems you have mentioned.

Useless demo since winsor & Newton wasn't included so really didn't show the range.

@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber

2 жыл бұрын

There are literally dozens of brands, I may do an update to this one at some point.

unfortunately the video is out of focus, so I stop watching it after few minutes.