If you don't have the time because you're working too much, maybe you're working too much.

@firstlastname84

10 ай бұрын

We "make time" for what we value...

When I was a new believer, the Lord brought a wonderful older woman into my life who eagerly taught the Bible and how to walk by the Spirit. I sought out those in the church who seemed to know the Lord and wanted to hang out with them...rather than the younger crowd, b/c I was reading the Bible all the time (as well as other books by Christian authors) and had lots of questions. Just going to church on Sunday wasn't enough. And I found that you have to seek these people out. They probably won't even be the "spiritual" ones at church, but the quiet ones off to the side that kind of hide in the crowd. You really have to begin a spiritual conversation. More likely, they will start one with you b/c all they wanna do is talk about the Lord! And they are HAPPY to teach and instruct and disciple anyone who also just wants to talk about the Lord!

@gkarenstratton

8 ай бұрын

but "wanna" ? ❤

If you're not in discipleship, "You're going to commit error unnecessarily." That's so true. I've made many mistakes but simply not being shown the way.

@megabattlezero5351

10 ай бұрын

I believe that lesson reveals the truth for all steps in life.

Great to have my church planter (70 yrs old) and resident pastor (53 years old) to lead by example to be a disciple of Christ! I once lost my life, denied it and chose the way of Christ. Blessed my life as my wife, who was a member of contemporary christian church (who ordains woman as pastor), denied these teachings and we are both walking under the path of Christ. Prayers to every Christian that we will shine the light of Christ to everyone! The Lord reigns supreme!

His experience is right. Because I prayed that prayer , God brought me two person lead me

This is good stuff, an important convo to have and great point about praying and asking God to send someone older to walk with us.

Beautifully said. The hard part is that I've never met someone who I could trust to be mentored by. At least at the 3 churches where I've been to.

@ChristsDisciples

11 ай бұрын

Where do you live?

@amosioanchiriac7513

10 ай бұрын

Rednitzhembach, Germany. Near Nürnberg.

A big part is the transferring of the conviction, the disciple may be able to to figure out a lot of things, but the solidifying of them in his being may take too long, the transferring of conviction greatly shortens that time.

Jonny, I have a quick question for you if you don't mind. As a very young pastor, how do you approach discipling belivers who are much older and perhaps more mature in the faith than you?

@gkarenstratton

8 ай бұрын

? Can you explain more?

@matthewmp111

8 ай бұрын

@@gkarenstratton What exactly are you not understanding?

Remember that Paul discipled and worked to cover his needs. He discipled in his free time. “After this, Paul left Athens and went to Corinth. There he met a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to see them, and because he was a tentmaker as they were, he stayed and worked with them. Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.” (Acts‬ ‭18‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NIV‬‬)

Who disciples a middle aged new believer man? Who walks with an older man who is a new believer? Surely no young man can as they don't have the life experience the older man has... Really need some advice here...

@andrewbartosik

Жыл бұрын

There's surely a man older and more familiar with the Word within your reach. But even if there is not, there is no shame in receiving biblical guidance from a same-age or younger man. Paul told Timothy to let no one despise him for his youth, but to set an example for believers nonetheless. John was older than Jesus (or at least his flesh was). You may have been born to this earth long before me, but you have been dead until only recently. Rejoice then in your salvation. Die continually to your old self. Seek holiness and happiness in God before all else. Read some Piper, Keller, and Platt. Pray. And remember that you are not saved because you are good. You're good because you are saved. So relax. Repent. And reach for those still adrift in the ocean of lies from which you were plucked, sir.

@alharris1508

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewbartosik thank you..

@gkarenstratton

8 ай бұрын

John MacArthur, Adrian Rogers, Charles Stanley are excellent (except I personally disregard when MacArthur talks Calvinism theories, as in that GOD chooses who will be saved and the rest have no chance. ALL humans are called to salvation. All new believers are now on the road to (having been chosen) sanctification ... transformation, little by little as time goes by, into being more and more like Jesus, for we will one day join Him forever in Heaven. Sanctification and discipling are like 'boot camp' for eternity in Heaven. (And one day you yourself can disciple others.) (PS. You can witness to others right now, after being saved...Pray for wisdom and courage...and for Him to show you who needs you. We all need to pray these things. Even if someone seems to not "get it" yet ... or be ready immediately to be saved, your words about Jesus and your own salvation experience are never for nothing. Never. They are like "seeds" you plant ... ime and other people's input are most often needed as the Holy Spirit works in the "calling" process. Ive prayed for you

Sadly, churches kind of push the elderly off to the side, b/c it's all about the younger generation. The focus is on family life or marriage and youth activities, leaving the older saints with no role. The leadership thinks the older folks either don't want to participate, or think they are doing them a favor by relieving them of duty. Afterall, we've had our chance and now it's time to pass the baton. Not necessarily! Sadly, such has happened at my church. But the older folks still have much to offer the church. No one wants to hear their advice and wisdom.

@gkarenstratton

8 ай бұрын

😢 i know. But...what does your pastor say, or do, about it? Are you SURE youre at the right church gor you? Ove prayed for you ... keep praying about someone, somewhere for you to disciple ... there has to be one or more. GOD will show you.

@suew3164

8 ай бұрын

Excellent comment. Couldn't agree more.

Discipleship for the most part is not understood by any Christian I've ever known. If discipleship had been 'a thing' amongst any of the adult and mature Christians I knew when I was a young married woman in her early 20s it is far more likely that my husband and I, and our marriage, could have survived his long standing affair with a friend of ours. As it was, all the Christians around us basically just stood by and watched us sink. Even when I specifically went to one of them and asked for help they didn't do anything, though they promised they would. I've come to accept that it overall wasn't lack of care for us personally, it was more likely a lack of understanding on how to help us. And.... that many of these people who at the time were in their 50s....weren't that mature in Christ after all. The Church is incredibly weak and shallow because discipleship is not understood nor is it taught.

@chiefdigger5216

Ай бұрын

In those cases you need to go to the Pastor… once you get into those issues gossip will normally follow. Then one side against the other. The only thing other members should of told you is seek counseling from the Pastor. How exactly are you expecting them to help besides prayer?

Jesus said to be a disciple of Christ one must forsake everything to be His! So, worldly people have no chance of being from God! Be careful, knowing what god men speak of is very important!

Scrub almost everything he said in this video. While it was not untrue it was definitely boring. Take the story at the end about teaching the boy archery. Make an entire video about how teaching a boy archery is like discipling a Christian man.

@gkarenstratton

8 ай бұрын

1 minute and 15 seconds = an "entire video"? The analogy is a young or new Christian needing to be shown the details of walking this new Christian life, like a novice archer needing good instruction.