shame the mainstream media or personalities will never address these pressing issues.

Now I am become liberal, the destroyer of worlds.

@scottyjohnson9399

Жыл бұрын

destroyed by worlds LOL

@user-ov4cj9yp9k

2 ай бұрын

@@scottyjohnson9399 maybe we can leran from China.

@angelozachos8777

Ай бұрын

@@user-ov4cj9yp9k The west has mucked things up - yes . But we have NOTHING to learn from contemporary China - nothing !

I don't blame liberals for the failures of our society and politics, it's the natural progression of their philosophy. I blame the so-called conservatives who are wholly liberal and but wear the cloak of conservatism. This is precisely why we have the Trumpist populist movement in America.

@ramon2008

2 жыл бұрын

The only thing to blame here is this ridiculous ideology of liberalism, and if one goes even further, the stupid idea of “reason” and the idea that reason can solve our problems.

@nathanp.claiborne8276

21 сағат бұрын

Conservatives and Liberals are both rooted in the philosophical liberalism Patrick is talking about

One of the few who highlighted this issue.

Another fine discussion/interview

21:46 - Adam Smith was a philosopher who, in his second book, observed human behaviour in economic activities . Like all historical figures, his writings and words need to be understood in context of his time. When Adam Smith wrote " self interest " in his time , that meant "enlightened self interest " - which means acting in the common good for the benefit of all , and this will be eventually be returned as acting in their own interest . Most notably , Smith made the clear distinction between using capital to create wealth ( goods and agriculture ) and did not consider using capital to exploit others as contributing to the creation of wealth . Smith may well be the most misquoted or misunderstood historical figure of all time . .

@copyright8291

Жыл бұрын

It's quite the opposite, people acting in self-interest - with their multitude of skills, values and propensities - creates of balance of offer-demand that will return as beneficial for the common good. This was Smith's thesis. More so, he didn't have the best opinion of the type of people who engaged in commerce in his day - in fact, he was quite disdainful of them - but understood their role in the system he observed and explained.

@darbyheavey406

4 ай бұрын

Smith argued that self interest even greed has positive externalities.

@landsea7332

4 ай бұрын

@@darbyheavey406 I do know Smith detested massive wealth inequality where merchants in Glasgow were rich , while there was massive urban poverty . From what I understand , Wealth of Nations needs to be understood in the context of Theory of Moral Sentiments . .

@landsea7332

4 ай бұрын

@@copyright8291" people acting in self-interest - with their multitude of skills, values and propensities - creates of balance of offer-demand that will return as beneficial for the common good. " Yes , thanks for the correction. Smith " Its not from the benevolence of the Butcher , the brewer , or the the Baker , that we expect our dinner , but from their regard to their own self interest . " ( WN ) . Note that Smith does not say selfishness . He was writing during era of mercantilism . Dr. Hall explains her interpretation of Smith's "self interest" at 21: 08 kzread.info/dash/bejne/npaG1LWChNPAhag.html .

@landsea7332

4 ай бұрын

@@copyright8291" people acting in self-interest - with their multitude of skills, values and propensities - creates of balance of offer-demand that will return as beneficial for the common good. This was Smith's thesis. " Thanks for the correction on this . Smith " It is not from the the benevolence of the butcher , the brewer , or the baker , that we expect our dinner , but from their regard to their own self interest. " " It is the great multiplication of the productions of all the different arts , in consequence of the division of labour , which occasions , in a well governed society , that universal opulence which extends itself to the lowest ranks of the people . " ( WN )

Yes, it's possible to develop virtue. Not only possible but fundamental.

Of course you can recreate policies that worked in the past: family, national and economic sovereignty, constitution, etc.

'The Truth will set you free' - Jn 8-32. The ruling class does not have Christ at the centre of it's vision for man, they ought to be challenged as to whom they owe their allegiance. In hoc signo vinces +

Where can i read about the ancient origins of Liberalism?

Moldbug and the neoreaction bloggers had some interesting ideas on where we might be going. Technofeudalism might be plausible.

@polybian_bicycle

2 жыл бұрын

This same idea floats around the Marxist* left as well. Yanis Varoufakis, for example, talks about this extensively. *To be distinguished from the woke left

@cheddartheadventurer7511

2 жыл бұрын

Techno feudalism is a dystopia

@landsea7332

Жыл бұрын

@@polybian_bicycle - Yes - Yanis Varoufakis calls them " the cloud based ruling class. " kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYKalcaHYLm-oag.html Victor Davis Hanson has also identified this group . However , IMO Woke is a form of Neo Marxism. Here is Ryan Chapman's discussion on the topic kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zn6MlsSsos2XZ5s.html .

@RUMPLEforeskin25

28 күн бұрын

It’s all j-wish nonsense

Yes, yes! One needs one’s betters!. Alas, all of the candidates, themselves, are sociopaths. All too human.

I guess I sort of see you point on technology around the 30 minute mark. It's hard to imagine them not changing things though, but at least that change being guided? Just two quick examples that may fit, on urbanism channels you tend to see a lot of talk about how ever bigger pickup trucks make pedestrians, bikers, and now sedan drivers unable to use the roads safely. If you compare 1950s pickup trucks to now, wow they are enmormous. And so in this immense freedom to drive whatever you want, you prevent other ways of using technology. It breaks good order. The problem is we are so steeped in this freedom that having controls on technology, such as only computers that don't play videos but are just for text or audio at most so as to not let mankind waste away inside like I am now, is hard to be envisioned. The other example in my head is from my hobby, airsoft, where different weapons or gear mean that organisation or ways of doing combat are often reduced into a chaotic blob because there is immense freedom to use whatever you want and play however you want during standard open plays without stricter rules. I guess the question is though, is the sort of controlled usage of technology by Amish, which is less controlled than in the past where they wouldn't have done that, just them slipping? Is it some social capital that holds them together despite the technology that is being eroded by its use? Just like us in the 1950s? Idk, its just truly is hard to imagine how a tractor or any other technologies, regardless of community control would not transform society and break it in ways. But yeah we guess it certainly a hope that regardless of our ability ot edit genetics or inject people with opposite sex hormones that proper political technology would prevent that, and I guess with nukes, or murder, or any other crime, that can be, (albeit imperfectly, though not on nukes yet) seen.

I wouldn't use the word "aristocrats" or "aristocracy". "Aristos" means "the best".

A very impressive defence of his book. Both Patrick Deneen and Michael Hanby have drawn attention to the deleterious influences of technology under Liberalism not discussed explicitly here. In particular, how technology is a driving force for things like the radical transformation of marriage, a revolution that took place in just over one generation; i.e., to allow same-sex couples to procreate. Technology is more and more used to remediate the "limitations" of human nature, allowing humans to maximize their self-interest.

@Me-lb8nd

2 жыл бұрын

Same-sex couples do not procreate with each other. A woman in a same sex relationship (or even a woman whose husband's sperm is no good) may choose to use a sperm donor. A male in a same-sex relationship may decide to have his sperm implanted into a willing woman, who then gives up her child to the same-sex male marriage. It all seems weird to me, but it's really not my business, nor yours.

Which way western man?

@schizoaristocrat

2 жыл бұрын

Based?

@polybian_bicycle

2 жыл бұрын

The only way seems to be down.

@scottyjohnson9399

Жыл бұрын

Tomorrow

Demographics is destiny

It didn’t

If Stephen found Donald Trump inarticulate, one wonders what the good professor would make of the White House's current inhabitant, who has a hard time stringing a coherent sentence together.

@LilColDog

2 жыл бұрын

Ha! One can only imagine:)

Read René Girard

@ramon2008

2 жыл бұрын

What should one read ? What idea of his do you find so important that you’d recommend his work ?

9:40 - The idea that British peoples are Anglo - Saxons is a bit of a myth - falsely stereo typed by the "Liberals" in the 1960's. In reality , right up to the 1950's, British peoples migrated and invaded from all over Europe, from the Roman Empire right up to Scandinavia .

Deneen has not gone far enough. At the core of all these issues is one thing and one thing only: the overemphasis of the western world since the time of Plato on .... REASON.