Thanks for doing a "progress report" after several years. Knowing the longer term results gives a lot more credibility to the initial install video. It will be interesting to see how well topping off the sand works out as opposed to blasting out the old sand.

Can't believe it's been 3 years since I first watched your video

4 years later, the amount of gravel I would need for my 12x12 patio's gravel base would cost about $200 more than these panels, so Im going with these panels 👏👏 thanks man lol

It’s been 4 years since I did my patio and walkway with paver panels. It’s still solid. I used polymeric sand and there’s no weeds or moss. The professionals that did my brother-in-laws patio told him that regular sand was better for the joints. His whole patio is full of moss. Two years later I decided to put in an in-ground pool. They had to drive over my walkway and part of the patio with the machine to dig. We put sheets of plywood on the pavers to protect them. They held up pretty good. I think the panels provided some cushion for the pavers and kept them from breaking. I also did the pavers around the pool with panels. The only difference is that I used 1/4” open-graded base crushed gravel. The gravel allows water to flow freely without washing away. Two years later the pool deck still looks like I just installed it. Also the panels help insulate the ground, which probably helps with freeze, thaw issues.

Thank you for the follow up! I actually watched your video from 3 years ago and glad to see it help up well.

Thanks for the update! My husband and I used your original video to help guide us through our own replacement paver patio. We just finished up this weekend and I’m glad to see how yours has held up! Great work

Hi! What a timely video. We used your video as a reference to recreate a paver patio space in our backyard. Like you, we previously had pavers that had moss growth and weed between the joints. The installation was previously done with rock base and compacted but even still, they shifted and were no longer level. We also previously had used polymeric sand between the joints. What is different this time is how we prepared the base. I am so glad to see your result 3 years later as a reference. This time, we used the Brock Paver Base panels, and this past weekend, we just finished placing our stones. We need a few dry days to complete the polymeric sand. What I found most helpful about your first video was how to skreed the sand. When my husband was going rogue, I kept bringing him back to your video, insistent that we buy rebar and do it right. In the end we bought rebar and I skreed the sand. It was easy!!

Your patio is beautiful and you did fantastic work! As you're saying, as soil builds up between the pavers, you will get weeds, but they can't be deeply rooted with the weed block. In your case, that weed block is also helping your patio move water away from the house so it's acting as a water as well as weed barrier. The downside, as you learned, is that it concentrates pooling as well. The French drain was a great solution to the pooling. You could also create a rain garden at the edge of the patio if you have more slope below it, or even at the end of the French drain to help disburse the water. Unfortunately, polymeric sand and gravel only lasts about 2-3 years. You have to keep applying a binding agent to maintain it. You don't need to add sand if you stay on top of it. But, polymer based binding agents are highly polluting - you're essentially putting microplastics into the ground. A great solution to this is to use a cornstarch based binding agent. It is highly effective and will last a full year and won't create pollution. And there are now commercial polymeric sand and gravel binding products available using cornstarch.

@franceslynch8815

21 күн бұрын

This is very good information. I will look out for the sand with corn starch.😊

@The_Gallowglass

17 күн бұрын

I would rather have this patio that I paid peanuts for than a 110% perfect professional one I had to pay $10,000 or more for. F'ck that.

I literally just watched the original video a week or two ago haha Great update!

I have used those paver base panels for a couple of walkways here in South Florida. With our sandy soil, it's common for pavers to sink when done incorrectly. Using the the walkways I have done with the panels are weed free and level, even after 5 years. One of the walkways I did without them started getting wavy after just 1 year. I believe part of the advantage is that the panels help distribute the weight over a larger area, and they help block deep weeds.

Good job! You get to enjoy that patio, well-deserved.

Awesome job. Thank you for posting. I will check out more videos.

Planning to do something very similar this summer, using those same base panels and pavers. I watched your original instal video and really appreciate this 3 yr follow up. Looks great.

Thanks for telling me of the update in your other video comment section. I ended up doing a paver patio last year after watching your video and some others. One thing I did that you didn’t was to use a concrete sealer 30 days or so after setting the polymeric sand. I sprayed it on the pavers and the polymeric joints and it prevents water from getting in. I haven’t had even one spot grow any weeds or grass. I plan to retreat it with the sealer every other year or maybe once a year. Moss likes to grow here too because of all the trees I have so I wanted to seal it the best I could. I spray my chimney with sealer so figured why not spray the pavers too.

@burrheadjr

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip, I may have to look into that as well. Congratulations on finishing your own project too!

A beautiful patio. Very pretty.❤

1/4 inch slope is for plumbing drainage, it's steeper than you need for a patio so I think you did good there.

Great update. I saw the original vid about a month ago and this follow up was perfect timing for my project starting in about a week.

He has returned! I followed your original video and did my own paver patio. I used packed gravel instead of the rubber pads though. Thanks for all your hard work!

I didn't use paver base but watching your video really helped build my patio. Thank you!

Just started my project today! Your follow up video is perfect timing. I am using paver base panels as well.

Your videos are very helpful, I watched your video and built a patio 2 yrs ago and it's still holding up. Thanks for the knowledge.

Thank you for the update!looks great! Successful project!

Congratulations!

Your 3-year update video reminded me when I watched your first video. Well done! Appreciate this update. I was thinking about doing gravel base and now I might go with the panel base instead as it’s holding up well.

Nice review & looks like great solution for you! Hindsight is wonderful & glad no issues or regrets! As with anything, the prep & base layer is key!

Really great outcome, Burr Man!

Excellent job ! I'm going to build a patio almost that exact size this summer and have been looking at this type of install. thanks for the great video.

I’ve used these Paver Bases for two small projects (50 and 150sqff) and have been happy with them so far. One is at 2y and the other about 1y now. What I like best about them is that it minimizes weeds and grass that grows between the pavers. The bases are essentially a weed barriers. I’m planning on using it for a couple larger areas now. Thanks for posting!

wonderful - helping us in our patio

Great video! Appreciate the follow up video!

Job well done!!!

the moss is beautiful, i wouldn't fight it anymore

Bravo! Well done. I like how you seemed to have researched well the process and then decided on a practical method for you. You really didn't take any shortcuts that would have come back to bite you.

Great vid and turn out. I feel the digging, leveling and slope is the hardest part

Looks great! I had never heard of this product, and it sure looks helpful. Thanks!

Great job!

great project and job

The patio looks great! I'm so glad I came across this video! I had no idea these panels existed. I've been thinking about building a small patio, but I've never done it and thought paying someone was a little out of my budget. I'm inspired to try myself!

Good job on this. I also recommend the use of these panels to save time, labor, expense and other people/ trucks on your property for the work. I installed this in a transition area from concrete to paver with no movement after 7 years. I also have done a 80' x 13' drive and rear patio surfaces with traditional 3.5" and 5" areas of crushed granite, sand and pavers. That is a hell of a lot more work and it still has movement. These pads have held up fine on Clay soil and my only regret is they were not available sooner when I did the much bigger sections. I will be using them again in my front walk and you should too.

Nice work! 👏👍💪

Good job.

Good job!

I used the same products to build three patios. Two smaller for placing benches around the yard and a larger for a small table and smoker. Mine are doing well 4 years on. I highly recommend this process. Move work on yours.

I used the same system for a paver path going from my driveway to the front steps and it's been 6 years. The only issues I've had with it is pitting on the pavers themselves due to using salt in the winter but this is no fault of the paver base. It still is flat with no waving and looks so much nicer than the concrete walkway that used to be there.

You should spray your umbrella's with uv blocker, every year, mine still looks brand new 😊

Great job! Im sure it was a lot of work, but it looks like a pro did it!

omg i remember watching old video

Good job, I’ll see you in 3 more years for the 6 year update

Good job bro 👍

Interesting video. I have to say, you did a crazy good job! Congratulations on your efforts and perseverance to get the job done. I would like to do the same. My only reservation is the large slope I have to get down to the backyard. Again, kudos to you!

I did a 920 sq ft patio with 3 ft of pure sand , Brock paver base mats and xl pavers. 3 years and strong!

Good enough for the girls I run with. I have the same concerns as you about back breaking labor since I don't do this for a living. I'm too cheap to pay someone the extra money to do it for me because I'm not made of money. I'd love a professional patio, but I also like being able to pay my mortgage. I'm only doing a 12x12 with a budget of about 1500-2000 dollars.

looks awesome after 3 years you could add a row of pavers from the patio door to your bbq shed. just an idea

Thats how you shush the naysayers that'll never be invited to your house anyway lol

Wonderful job. Ideally you want to line up on some architectural feature, but just put some pots there to mitigate the lack of alignment. Nobody will notice, but you. OR you could remove a rectangle out of that corner all the way to the shed. So pave up to the edge of the door then put just use the edging overlapping that line into where the window is. So the regular pavers to the center line of the "door" then extend dark edging inward toward the house. Take that whole square out to the shed. That won't look like a mistake. I don't think you use that corner anyway. My friend, never trust a french drain, long term they never work. They must be solid concrete with a serious pitch, with a removable metal grate for clean out) I think you can still surface drain, do a swale (a barely noticeable ditch) along that side to a low point, it could be as simple as ripping out the french drain and adding a little fill. Although that slopes and lower, with grass, it will look flat. Looks like toward the spot you dumped the fill, but I can't tell. Looks like the far corner goes to a lowest elevation. Use the active ingredient in Oxy-clean, (sodium percarbonate) from amazon. (5 lbs. is more than enough) Dissolve crystals completely in hot water. Just dump it on, no scrubbing. It is not toxic to anything and you will be shocked by how it makes your pavers and joints new. Byproduct of it is oxygen and a very small amount of soda ash (potash). That is my favorite pattern, what is it called??? Most novice people would not have made this patio big enough, this is a commendable size. If you had put a few tiny plants in 3 years ago, they would have been great by now. Use a groundcover there. You sound like Michigan and that has to be north facing so vinca (periwinkle) would work, also, why not get a clematis vine? Summer color and vines help to tie the house to the patio, visually. Fantastic job in general, the whole thing is heaving in the winter as a single unit, I doubt you will have any trouble in the future.

Very nice. Great job on the original video and this one. You mentioned 30 Second Cleaner. It's basically just bleach. Sodium hypochlorite, bleach, is the main ingredient according to the material data sheet. Just an fyi for those who might be considering purchasing it.

Weeds,, moss gone with inexpensive solution. A Box(es) of table salt. Simply pour piles of salt where needed & then sweep the salt into the weedy cracks. Finally, gently spray with garden hose set mist selection(do not wash the salt from the cracks!) and moisten the salted area. The Next day, your minimal effort will be rewarded. Happy days. cheers

I’d put a couple of blocks next to the patio at the door and move that plant pot on the blocks and half in front of window on patio. Might break that line up a little.

the surface "weeds" you say you did finally end up encountering a tiny bit is actually just a type of moss 3:45 . It grows those tall bits to try to propagate itself

You did a great job and the patio looks fantastic. I would have done the same thing - just putting more polysand on top wheew the old washed out. Don't see why there is an issue at all with that approach!

Those panels make a huge difference, I won’t do pavers without concrete underneath and now maybe these panels

Fantastic, professional job! Please tell me how you were able to create such a beautiful, random selection of pavers withh undetectable repeated patterns! 👍🏻

Great job! And great video, this is what I'd be worried about with project like this, how it would hold up? Thank you

I had a company install my patio and they used these BUT I don’t think they did it correctly. Had them out two years in a row because of sinking or separating pavers. I am considering pulling them up and trying to redo it myself.

Thanks for the unexpected comment on whether using paver base panels would be strong enough for holding a car weight. I'm thinking of doing exactly that, have a patio build like this where I can pull over my car to for convenience. Now I'm rethinking that idea. What do you suggest?

Rather than waste the potable treated water washing out the odd intruding weedlet, just use a box cutter and scribe both sides and let it dry and either sweep it or let it blow away or wash out in the next rain. Yes, an easily accessible modest dirt heap has a multitude of uses to a diligent householder having use value into futurity.

Is the black grid a drainage area to your french drain?

Where did you get the edge restraints and the pavers themselves?

If I understand your sloping comment--the diagonal should be shallower than 1/8 per foot not steeper. Still the paver joints give some permeability. shouldn't matter too much.

In your last video you said you laid the pavers in a random pattern. How do you feel about this now-I’m laying pavers on my own and trying to decide whether to go with a pattern or lay randomly. The ones I’m getting come in 3 different sizes

Awesome job, Mr. Head. I had one technical question, in the shot in the hammock, was that a Yuengling? 🤔 Details like that are important. Great video, very informative.

@burrheadjr

Ай бұрын

In the hammock, it was a Fat Tire. But in the shot after on the BBQ, it was a Yuengling.

What was the material cost for the patio? Looks great! Followup videos are always so helpful

@burrheadjr

Ай бұрын

The exact number is in the other video, but it is was around $3,500.

Looks great. What is the advantage of the poly panels vs gravel? Is it cheaper?

@burrheadjr

26 күн бұрын

It is more expensive depending on your access to gravel, but it requires you to dig less . Less than an inch of the foam, replaces 4 inches of gravel.

Over all price of this build?

What kind of paver sand did you use to put over the weed barrier? Please name the product and brand. It looks great!

@burrheadjr

14 күн бұрын

I used Step 2 Paver Leveling Sand. There is a link to the actual product in the original video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nHdl2aOtY7DWfqQ.html

@Lostheking1

14 күн бұрын

Awesome. Thank you so much!

Does using a pressure sprayer or hose like that wash out the moss from the joints affect the polymeric sand or it bonded so well that there's no risk there.... Probably a stupid question but i haven't used polymer sand before.

@burrheadjr

22 күн бұрын

there is a risk

@rockshot100

16 күн бұрын

@@burrheadjr So you just clean it out good and do what you did the first time, Add a little more.

I'm not too concerned about the look. When you walk around on it, do you feel and/or hear any shifting of the stones?

@burrheadjr

Ай бұрын

Not at all

Seems fine to me. Worst case scenario, you have to fix something. OH NO. Heaven forbid.

Would you like to come help me with mine?!😂 I was watching a video that normal sand works better than poly sand.

@lh98

Ай бұрын

I think things will grow in the regular sand. I have a 3/8 minus crushed rock parking area and things grow there every spring/summer. The polymeric solidifies helping prevent growth and if you use a sealer on it it prevents water and growth. The polymeric helps lock the pavers together too. Just my 2 cents

@MoNATUREnique

Ай бұрын

@@lh98 I was skeptical about the recommendation. The con he mentioned is the poly breaking and it being difficult to replace, but you did that in the video so I think it’s worth the risk and having the cement feature!

@lh98

Ай бұрын

@@MoNATUREnique I am not the gent in the video I am just another dude that did my own paver patio last year. I used a quality polymeric sand and after setting it waited 30 days and then sprayed the whole patio and polymeric sand with a concrete sealer which water proofed it. No loss of polymeric so far and no grass or weed growth either. I will reseal w/ concrete sealer every year or so.

@MoNATUREnique

Ай бұрын

@@lh98 thanks! I was paying attention to the username!! I appreciate the comment still!

@jaimecunha6889

Ай бұрын

Definitely use polymeric sand, you won’t regret it. Use a good brand like Gator Maxx G2 or Techniseal. I’ve used both and they work well. Tamp it down into the joints. Don’t use regular sand, unless you want weeds and moss to grow.

And redo your sand every few years