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If I see a tangible increase in usage of these units in automatch I'm blaming you.

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha 😂

@buivietdungtran3065

2 жыл бұрын

They already spawn over the place. 1 is usf last hope. Another just for abuse a whole faction (UKF)

@JackBodnar

2 жыл бұрын

Every 3rd USF already spamming for the last month or two Pathfinders and every 2nd OKW spams Jaegers for the last 2 years

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

@@JackBodnar doesn't help that overwatch and airborne are such a damn good doctrines, even without the paths and JLIs

@heartpaid6767

Жыл бұрын

@@GonkOrange without pathfinders airborne would be useless xd

from what I remember, the sniper upgrade for the JLI doesn't take a weapon slot, so if you get lucky in a game, you can have a JLI with 2 lmg's and a g43 sniper

@NathanielKrige

2 жыл бұрын

JL+LMG is best unit in the game hands down

@benedictjajo

2 жыл бұрын

@@NathanielKrige JL are likely to get the mg 42 lmg which can't be fired on the move but the Pathfinders are likely to get the Bar/M1919A6 which can be fired on the move making the Pathfinders the superior of the two units.

@Hrebikanec

2 жыл бұрын

@@benedictjajopathfinders have horrible moving accuracy

@benedictjajo

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hrebikanec still better than not shooting at all

@Hrebikanec

Жыл бұрын

@@benedictjajo and the M1919a6 cant be fired on the move, so i dont get what is your problem? If your can take bars with jagers, they will fire on the move too. Those two units are not the one, you want to maneuvre with. You want to attack with them at a max possible range. They drop like flies. Obers can fire their mg34s on the move, but the DPS is bad and you dont want to get with them into melee range...

Excellent video 👍 Quite surprising details. Honestly, apart from the very obvious difference in LOS between vehicles and infantry, I really didn't notice too much of a difference in general. But 65 vs 50 is HUGE. Interesting stuff, thanks!

EXPLANATION OF WEAPON & UNIT STATS: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l6imq6-PnMrbebw.html BUILD ORDER WITH JAEGER LIGHTS: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZpejxcWOgKe8hZc.html

Super informative, thank you!!! Yeah Jaeger lights are super annoying to deal with, and I was always wondering why, until I discovered this sniping mechanic a year or so ago. You could add that this mechanic alone may be enough to scare me as soviet not to go sniper if I see okw has overwatch in this loadout

really cool channel, i love your presentation skills, everything is clear and informative, i subscribe you rn and go see your other videos, nice job :)

Very helpful. Thanks.

Ayo you forgot vet 5 vs vet 3 in green cover. Edit: maybe you could have touched on jägers with picked up weapons, like one or two bars. I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but I think their sniper stays even after picking up two weapons. Shit's scary. Best combo I ever got on them was an mg42 and a bren. Absolute fucking unit of a squad.

impressive , we need more.

Love the comparisons and guide. I know that it seems obvious and people should know since they are the basic frontline units but I’d like to see a vid on the base frontline infantry for each faction in relation to each other. Plenty of people don’t seem to know how and where to use their units cause they don’t know what ranges cons win against grens for example.

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought about doing a video about the best engagement ranges for each core infantry

@taytertot9382

2 жыл бұрын

@@GonkOrange i would love that

Hey Gonk, awesome and useful vid :). Would you please explain us the difference between infrared stg and mg34 on obers?

A very informational video, one thing I would have also covered is the overall costs effectiveness Yeager lights are way more expensive than pathfinders in addition to pathfinders being way easier to vet up that is why you see them spammed because they are cheap and easy to replace which is why they are spammed

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

I inlcuded all that info

Main think is when they picked at gun or mg. their vision range is same as they are.

I think the best combo for pathfinders is to mix them with a squad of paratroopers upgraded with 2X M1919 machine gun. While the Machine gun reduces the enemy to the sniping threshold, pathfinders finish the job. Similar case is with the jeager lights and obersoldatens with MG34. Overall, I think Jeager lights are a bit overperforming for their price especially in the late game, wiping squads faster than they should. Maybe reducing the sniping threshold a bit would make it more balanced.

@OriGummie

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think there will be anymore balance reworks or patches anymore unfortunately. People who play Wermacht exclusively will still take to the forums and say that JLIs are balanced

@ilumix1172

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t find any issues with pathfinders, but I find the meta combo of both Pathfinders and Scot spam is borderline broken, especially if the pathies are given bazookas to defend said scots. Scotts as a whole are extremely hard to counter without an armor push as they are quite literally mobile pack howitzers and gain a free get out of jail card with their smoke ability at vet 1. I’ve lost too many games with people who knew what they were doing with this strategy, but then again, Airborne is probably the only viable commander against axis, that actually forces them to micro, as the Americans, IMO.

@themetallurgist3541

2 жыл бұрын

@@OriGummie I am hoping there might be one last patch before the release of COH3. But if there isn't, it is just sad to see a unit being broken this much.

Personally I wouldn't spam pathfinders in any usf build it would leave you vulnerable to enemy tanks, I have seen multiple instances where pz4 just yolo's into my rear lines and catches an important units.

@TehBoores6

2 жыл бұрын

A common tactic is you get 2 zoolas for pathfinders spam and then spam scots for infantry fighting

@jirkazalabak1514

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn´t leave you that vulnerable, tbh. Their huge sight range means that when you place them in cover close to the enemy, you can watch their movements the whole time. As long as you pay attention, you will get 2-3 shots on any flanking tank with your Jackson before it even gets in range. Besides, it´s not like Riflemen are good against tanks. Their AT grenade has short range and they have no sprint ability, so the tank will get away most of the time anyway.

funny statement: JLI cant spam as mainline inf. Meanwhile in 2v2 high level (rank 1-100), Okw just stack 2-4 JLI and shitting UKF or everyone in theirsight.

@At_Calyon

2 жыл бұрын

if the map allows it, go for tommy guns with brits against that which should help at least in the early game

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

Stacking 2-4 Jaeger lights requires stalling for them which mean that your infantry presence for the first few minutes is minimal . It's a risk

@aziouss2863

2 жыл бұрын

This cant be true man if you get 3 JLI you run out of manpwer unless you dont build other infantry meaning you pretty much lose the early game too hard to ever recover. Only 2 JLI is viable everything else should not work and if it does it means YOU messed up.

@At_Calyon

2 жыл бұрын

@@aziouss2863 actually 3 jlis is still legit, means u just skip the light vehicle build a third jli and go for a faster p4, that works against brits in some cases since u do not really need the flak or puma against the aec, and the jlis are just far superior over the normal sections, if the brit goes for a halftrack it can have a different outcome tho and tommy guns, as i said before, work great against them as well coz u force the jlis into close combat, okw will loose map controll easily through that

@aziouss2863

2 жыл бұрын

@@At_Calyon But that means you have 3 JLI 1 PIO and 3 Volk is that even sustainable in terms of manpower? You would get bled out vs competent opponents.

you saw the whinging on reddit but...what did the anons at /vst/ on 4chan say? xD

Very informative but i see a lot of jager spam in 1 vs 1 in my bracket i am trailing around 140

Seems when you play against expert AI those stats get thrown out of the window. Now have only seen this with the Soviet faction but, they get a kill and instantly get vet. I have to get almost 2 kills for a vet. I don't know if killing elite troops or not gets you faster vet.

@sinanroyal5359

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, different units give different amount of exp. A sniper for example gives a ton of exp, even though its only 1 model. Shocktroopers, Obersoldaten etc also provide a lot of exp while conscripts are almost not worth the ammo (exaggerated). But also remember that units gain exp at different rates. Gonk also mentiones this in his video here. Even though a cheating AI is a fair point.

0:06 damn, that corpse is bouncy. Is it a bug? Cause I'm thinking buying this game

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

the ragdolls do weird things in this game sometimes :D

The short range test looked like green cover vs none, was it?

@Trishut.

2 жыл бұрын

Shorter than 5m cover doesn't matter.

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah at close ranges cover doesn't apply.

How many squads of pathfinders would you recommend?

@GonkOrange

Жыл бұрын

In 1v1? 1, maybe 2 In team games you could do more, even go 3 with no rifles.

Зделай пожалуйста розбор Обер солдат с stg44 и mg34

What do you think about Wehrmacht jeagers?

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

They're a very different unit. They function like g43 panzerfusiliers basically.

@ultravioletsus

2 жыл бұрын

And they are very bad at long range too.

@rakibalhassan5156

2 жыл бұрын

@@ultravioletsus are you sure? The have g43 rifles

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

There are several different g43 profiles in the game. They're all good at close and medium range though. The only exception is the Jaeger Light Infantry g43 sniper. See my video on panzerfusiliers vs volksgrenadiers for more info

@ultravioletsus

2 жыл бұрын

@@rakibalhassan5156 Yeah, game is not realistically accurate so having a G43 doesn't matter, if its not a "G43 Sniper" then its not good at long range. Normal g43 in the game is more like a carbine.

The Axis unit wins again despite not costing nearly as much...how surprising.

@MagpieMew

Жыл бұрын

Jl with higher pop-cap, worst scale(expensive upgrade and no acess to bar), more reinforce cost. What are you saying?

Jagger are sniper hunters !

Hello what do you think about airborne guards?

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

I personally like them. Great long range DPS and a nice vet 1 call in ability

@drsaadsheikh

2 жыл бұрын

@@GonkOrange but they are so squishy lol till vet 3 And ppsh upgrade is kinda meh

I still think about pathfinder musy have some nerf lt jaegerinf at least wont come upgrade and its not spammable.

@gflvnfp2873

2 жыл бұрын

are you sure? tightrope casts a lot of 2v2 games that have JLI mainline

@TuanAnhLeIV

2 жыл бұрын

Sure, jli is not "spamable" but somehow pp runing 3x jager built everywhere in 4v4 nowday. Also yeah, pathfinder come "upgraded" but somehow 120 muni latter they still get beaten by jli long range.

@WR1317

2 жыл бұрын

Pathfinder alone is definitely not worth 290mp, when the only ability they have is Beacon. Its just USF faction have so manything that work well for them, as Scott & Jack are long range units. Combine with weaponrack.

@fabio6170

Жыл бұрын

@@WR1317 So do u forget than u can give them a weapon? Bar or bazookas? Do really think they are not worth it?

@fabio6170

Жыл бұрын

@@TuanAnhLeIV im talking about 1v1

Where is the link in description?

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

Oops! Will add now

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/l6imq6-PnMrbebw.html

@AliAkbarAzizi

2 жыл бұрын

@@GonkOrange tnx

120 munitions on pathfinder not worth it... I'll gladly take a couple dropped Brens though.

Axis bias at its finest

Pathfinders are only good at maximum range and in groups of two or three. The headshot trait is a bit of a gamble, so increasing the number of pathfinders makes that gamble worth it...also anything more than three is counterproductive because of how easy it is to punish blobbing. I honestly don't understand why people whine about the unit. It's halfway decent at anti-infantry and not particularly strong at anything else.

Just limited to one call a day.

@WR1317

2 жыл бұрын

I really think all call-in infantry should be buffed but only limited to 1. They either super tough, or high utilities. I dont know why Jaeger command limited to 1, and they're not even much of fighter. Why other like Fallschrim, Commandos, Shock can be spammed.

@vampi-chan3793

2 жыл бұрын

@@WR1317 You can only call-in 1 Jaeger Command Squad because it's a COMMAND unit, it's function is to lead other units in the battlefield just like the Command Pz IV, the Officers from Ostheer and OKW and the Command Panther.

@poingpoing11

2 жыл бұрын

@@WR1317 Jaeger command has abilities out the whazoo though; Snare, Grenade, Smoke, Sprint, Flare, Camo and Slightly higher sight range.

@WR1317

2 жыл бұрын

@@vampi-chan3793 Thats what I mean, Elite infantry should not just replace the mainline. They should only given extra tactical play to mainline.

the beacons are what?!? man that's so bllsht, free and they can reinforce units, but shure "axis op" anyway, great video :D

@gflvnfp2873

2 жыл бұрын

only paratrooper

@bartoszwycisk3303

2 жыл бұрын

@@gflvnfp2873 And support weapon manned by paratroopers. There is a reason why you can drop machine gun and AT gun as USF.

@wombawomba9687

2 жыл бұрын

Only Paratroopers can be resupplied and Paras are probably the worst elite unit in the game. They take forever to drop, are horrible without any upgrades, got mediocre abilities and seems to have 100% chance of getting hit...

@amaratc

2 жыл бұрын

@@wombawomba9687 if you think Paras are the worst elite unit in the game, then rest of them shouldn't even be considered elite.

@buivietdungtran3065

2 жыл бұрын

@@amaratc para had the biggest target size compare to other elite.

Remove the green cover in your tests and I have a feeling the pathfinders will do better.

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

Well you can do some tests! Would love to see the results. Most good players know the importance of cover tho and its very unlikely a long range engagement would be fought completely out of cover.

@RabbiJochanan

2 жыл бұрын

@@GonkOrange Good point, although yellow cover is more readily available in the late game. Good video anyway as usual so thanks a lot 🙏

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

@@RabbiJochanan Thanks I don't think yellow cover (as opposed to green) would change the results.

@RabbiJochanan

2 жыл бұрын

@@GonkOrange maybe not. My point is though that the .5 Vs .9 acc Vs cover is the most significant advantage the jli have in the test you set up. I would assume that is more effective against green cover? In any case, that advantage completely disappeares if there is no cover available. Another thing that might not be covered by your test is that 2x .40 threshold snipe might be more effective in a blob Vs blob combat because models will get to lower health faster...

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

No it's not more effective against green cover.

Also they shouldn't have 50 range when underfire.

Pathfinders : 0CP. Can arm with BARs. Sniper garands not ignores cover. Shitty Veterancy growth. JLI : 1CP. Additional sniper rigle ignores cover(50%->90%)(except of Trench and vehicle cover). OPAF veterancy growth.

You forgot to explain the part that they're not op and how to counter them effectively...

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

Who is not op? Pathfinders don't need a specific counter, and I did explain how to deal with JLIs

@DustyPazner

2 жыл бұрын

@@GonkOrange multiple pathfinders destroy infantry like volks and grens, while jagers are literally uncountable as UKF.

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

@@DustyPazner yes, Jaeger lights are very good against Brits. Mortar pit or (to a lesser extent) AEC could help.

Since americans made the game they made sure their unit is OP and require less skill to use.

@GonkOrange

2 жыл бұрын

Relic is canadian but ok

@bladesideentertainment7002

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly the US and Canada are and always were extremely rusophile.

@heartpaid6767

Жыл бұрын

Didnt know JLI are American