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@glow4417

3 жыл бұрын

Not a POE fan, but I think they are currently above Diablo. Diablo 2 R will help revive the Diablo franchise, and close the gap a bit. But will need more D2 content and or D4 to be amazing to fully catch up.

@executor31

3 жыл бұрын

1.5 euro per hour ( 60 bucks per 40 hours ) but a ok quality

@ArantyrDarkhand

3 жыл бұрын

The main difference its pacing. Diablo 3 its horrible. Path of exile its great but the pacing its not for me to fast, mobs dont put a fight you die in one hit from something you barely see. Diablo 2 has the perfect combat pacing, just like my oter favored ARPG grim dawn.

@tristanchittenden7140

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, mostly agree with what you said, but you missed what I and most other players would consider the life of path of exile, The End Game, once you start getting into path maps is everything, ive been playing for years and I would say 75% of my time playing has been mapping if not more, end game bosses gearing and stuff like that that only come from end game.

@cabal123123123

3 жыл бұрын

FYI PoE recently have new update expanding their end game content even wider .... with another PASSIVE TREE in the map system :D

PoE hours : over 7000 D3 hours : around 200 D2 hours : my childhood

@allbad4u

3 жыл бұрын

so true!

@SGGCREATIVES

3 жыл бұрын

Played very character Diablo2 and maxed them out. Some of the best time in my life.

@YBladeY

3 жыл бұрын

@@psiklops71 I find your lack of intelligence disturbing.

@steveracer1985

3 жыл бұрын

@@psiklops71 stupid comment 🤦

@thecopercoper5533

3 жыл бұрын

@@psiklops71 4000 hours in D3?! My god... your lack of standards is disturbing. And it seems you're proud of that too! Lowest common denominator game for lowest common denominator people!

Diablo 3 is the new player tutorial for Path of Exile, Diablo 2 is the father of Path of Exile. There.

@darkfocust2467

3 жыл бұрын

needed to be said

@ivanbutcharsky4790

3 жыл бұрын

True.

@matthew7371

3 жыл бұрын

Except diablo doesn't crash every ten mins

@Jessethoth

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthew7371 Neither did PoE when I really played it. Heard after Blight League or some patch thereafter it started doing that, hopefully the PoE 2 update will fix it.

@schnideroltin7065

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthew7371 poe hasn't crashed for except for that horrendous league start but u shouldn't have any issues

basically to maintain endgame in PoE need constantly 20 tabs of guides, trades, suffixes, mods and all kinds of stuff open. If You want to get to end end game You need a PhD in PoE. Diablo definitely a more casual player friendly.

@geraltthewitcher8270

3 жыл бұрын

+1

@tbone8358

3 жыл бұрын

Also PoE has very terrible performance for a good number of players. I can’t play longer than a few minutes before the FPS drops massively and it’s unplayable at that point. This is with settings as low as possible and the resolution set at half my actual screen resolution

@soultekkamusic115

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah readimg this made me wanna not spend time on POE

@christerjakobsen8107

3 жыл бұрын

@@soultekkamusic115 It's not a game for everyone, and that's good! Because it appeals to certain tastes, and there are other games that wouldn't appeal to those people. I'm pretty sure there are some games you like that others wouldn't, just how there are some games I like that I know others would find boring.

@danielsmith7324

2 жыл бұрын

@@soultekkamusic115 POE is still one of the best games to come out in a very long time with a ton of content. You don’t need to know how to do most things to enjoy it. I just complete quests, clear areas, grind and level my character.

I have 1 issue with Poe. I wish I could zoom out just a little bit more

@Smarackto

3 жыл бұрын

100% this you can just not see enough

@antoniokezele909

3 жыл бұрын

Tech isnt there yet

@PiousSlayer

3 жыл бұрын

If I recall correctly, the camera was zoomed out more in the PoE2 trailers, so I assume it'll come out into the base game at some point.

@AzgarthX

3 жыл бұрын

What if I told you a way existed and has existed for years? It's called widescreen macro and lets you zoom out super far depending on how much you squish your window. It's amazing and I recommend it. Tripolar Bear released a video for it not that long ago kzread.info/dash/bejne/omV2rsymlqaclZM.html

@AyeGeneral

3 жыл бұрын

You can use the rescale macro , and its not against TOS

To me Diablo is with the boys. PoE is when I wanna see how many particle effects I can have active till my computer melt.

@EpicMinecraftFail

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah nothing will ever really replace diablo, nothing else has the same feeling

@MrLanxiu

2 жыл бұрын

usually some of the boys are not cultured

@dewetjoubert8921

2 жыл бұрын

Grouping all the creeps on the whole map then 1 shotting them crashing the whole server lul

@Xener09

2 жыл бұрын

POE Stands for Particle Overdone Effects, its right in the title

@cleangoblin2021

2 жыл бұрын

More like i dont wanna go back to the society for POE

My 7 year old just found D2 on my old PC and has fallen in love with it.

@bahneetza2169

3 жыл бұрын

good let them live their best life now.

@AquaCulinarius

3 жыл бұрын

He wouldn't tho. D3 is in the past. It would be like Roller Coaster Tycoon. I'm not butthurt, I just play the second one.

@robbieh440

3 жыл бұрын

Ok breeder

@reubenhooft541

3 жыл бұрын

@@robbieh440 ok kid.

@davolthe1261

3 жыл бұрын

@@AquaCulinarius Still pain is done, my excitment when diablo 3 was coming out was unmeasured, and i actually loved game for the first 200 hours mostly bcs i was younger and enthusiastic about literally everything, also with auction game actually had some fun factor.

9:34 skill tree gave me nightmares

Personally I'm more of a casual gamer, so Diablo is much easier for me to get into and have some fun. PoE is just overwhelming. You start a character and you're pretty much lost as you start playing. And I'm not really interested in looking up a bunch of guides just to enjoy a game. Obviously this might not be the case for everyone, but for me Diablo will always be the better game.

@gamecop2191

2 жыл бұрын

Shit I just started Diablo 2, in act 3 and I’m loving it . But I’ve been so lost and slow to pick up my stride . A lot of Reddit asking and research . So if PoE is Harder to understand there’s no way I could play it hahah

@vodenapuska4796

2 жыл бұрын

@@gamecop2191 way harder, so many options, you need a month just to catch all the things..I'm D2 fan, I started PoE few days ago, I don't have that much time to catch all the things..

@SuperCatacata

2 жыл бұрын

@@gamecop2191 D2 is even less forgiving than POE when it comes to respeccing your characters though(You only get 3 free respec's and then it's hell boss grinding or you are out of luck). And D2 is much more difficult than POE when you get to hell difficulty. All the D2 vets calling POE difficult is pretty funny IMO. I'll respect the people who like Diablo 3 more since I used to also share that opinion. But usually that opinion is only held by people who have never given POE an actual chance. At least that's how it was for me. Not to mention how much easier trading is in POE due to the high playerbase.

@winniebeats5164

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperCatacata PoE softcore isn't difficult at all yeah. Hardcore on the other hand is basically pure hell

@Official_KC

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not a very heavy gamer whatsoever, but PoE makes perfect sense to me honestly. It might have a bit of a steep curve for an hour or two, but then it makes total sense I'd say. Just a youtube video for a beginners guide or something like that, and you're all set to go really. Maybe not the end game stuff or extras, but overall. Would help if the tutorial was a bit more intuitive in the game though, yeah. But if someone like me who doesnt play many games (this is the only online game Ive played for more than 5-10 hours) can do it, I'm sure most people can

Awesome take on POE. This is very true as I have played the game completely f2p before finally making a big purchase back in 2018 after 5 yrs of playing it. Bought some really nice supporter packs and some stash tabs to show my support for the game. I grew up playing D2 extensively, and have also played D3 and it's pretty fun as a couch coop for console however I'm not really a huge fan of linear progression... I really like the complexity of PoE over the two. I really love theorycrafting and making builds work. That being said this is just my personal preference..

@valacarno

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree. I had very similar experience with both. Huge excitement for PoE's theory-crafting and complexity, while afternoon lazy couch experience with friends for D3. Great name and title pic. 😉👍

@RJ-mh3ox

2 жыл бұрын

I feel that i truthfully had to look up builds for poe 😂 that shit is crazy but i love the fact there’s soo many routes to choose from and when you’re fighting the screen looks wild

@plaidhatter1674

2 жыл бұрын

Best part of the microtransactions in PoE is that the only thing you will probably have to buy is the stash tabs, cause the leagues offer cosmetics.

I bloody hate the loot Tetris in POE.

@Fextralife

3 жыл бұрын

Loot Tetris wins the comment section

@jonnyfromtheblock21

2 жыл бұрын

Lootfilter 🕶️

With all the different league encounter in the map system from Poe, i would say Poe offers a much more interesting end Game. Especially the different end game Bosses. On the other hand its pretty complex and hard to understand

@idrinktapwater6174

2 жыл бұрын

would it hurt them to make a FoV slider? I'm playing through a telescope

@alexdicicco5230

Жыл бұрын

@David James my man Arpgs are all about the grind your going to be doing a lot of the same stuff over and over in all these games with subtle differences last epoch is a great game Poe is as well but Poe has a massive learning curve if ur willing to jump in

path of exile is great until you have to figure out why all your builds either became completely worthless or just straight up no longer works after being away for a long time.

@zaheedhasib

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you completely. Recent POE experience from last week, part 1 was actually properly challenging, didn't die much with crit based assassin, reave focused build. Part 2, dying every couple of minutes. Also, haven't read before playing, it's a game not a PhD paper and is supposed to be fun!

@vladimirtchuiev2218

3 жыл бұрын

It's either your build is crap and you die quickly, or your build is strong and then you one-shot everything in a huge AOE.

@jouaienttoi

3 жыл бұрын

@@zaheedhasib Just look up a popular build guys for a skill you like and follow it exactly. You'll still have fun, but you won't have to "understand" why your build is working. Leave the build guide open as you play so you can constantly reference it.

@steveracer1985

3 жыл бұрын

But that is the point of PoE, "you have to figure it out" . It doesn't hold your hands, it is more old school in this approach than anything, which many of us like, as the game forces you to experiment. If you don't want to experiment, there is dozens if not thousands of build guides you can follow and will provide end game viable gameplay...This is the beauty of PoE, no 2 builds are exactly the same, even if you follow a guide. If you are dying too quick then your resistances and health/ES pool's are ridiculously low.

@fremenmelon7639

3 жыл бұрын

the game is designed to be restarted every 3 months

I played PoE in 2019 and had ton of fun, and learning was part of that fun experience: learning the vendor recipes, how the gems and skills works, experimenting new combinations, - even though I was following a build guide, some of the skills and equipment you won't get until you reach the end game and grind a lot, so there's still room for you to play and try things. But I haven't played in 2020 and only now I decided to get back to the game and AGAIN, I having tons of fun. Can't recommend PoE enough!

An amazing review! Thank you very much for the great content. 😻 I'd like to mention that PoE has a thing called Standard league, which was exactly what I started my experience with. It is the place where ALL players' characters end up after temporary league ends with all the new mechanics from it. So it is exactly for players, who prefer more permanent gameplay, if you don't mind that the new content and new characters that you created in fresh league will be added to it 3 months later. When I started playing PoE, it was the first game I was *crazy* excited about for it's complexity. I was so eager to discover my skill path, develop my characters, and destroy the content. My first stash purchase was after 3 years of playing irregularly. D3 got boring for me after 15 hours of gameplay. If I were 6 yo, I would enjoy D3 longer. Maybe. Very nice game though. But I am glad that I never purchased it. For me it would be a waste. But, chacun à son goût.

Thanks for this comprehensive overview from your perspective. I played the crap out of D2 back in the days and was never really hooked by D3, i stopped playing even before they removed the auction house from the game, so waaaay back. As i am having this A-rpg itch coming up again, i feel encouraged to try PoE to scratch it. So thanks for that.

Grim Dawn is good too , very very good. Highly recommended to try. POE , Grim Dawn , Last Epoch is better than Diablo 3 imo. Diablo 3 is good , don't get me wrong , but the skills are so lacklustre. Classic skill tree will be far superior than the rune skill system in Diablo 3.

@Chrismatica

3 жыл бұрын

Grim Dawn is hella underrated.

@Mackem_uk

3 жыл бұрын

I've got 3000 hours in grim dawn.

@trikster22

3 жыл бұрын

lol 10fps game

@nawawii3750

3 жыл бұрын

From dawn is awesome. Just having problems with longtivity. Last Epoch is Beta and still better than most ARPG in market. Imagine what will happen when it launch

@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos

3 жыл бұрын

Oh you mean Titan Quest?

Like you mentioned in the video, I just cannot get past the learning curve/entrypoint PoE has. This is why I love Diablo as its not as daunting to get into, I am a bit in the middle between casual and hardcore. I want to experience the endgame but I don't min max nor do I like to look up guides and get the perfect build and that's what mainly throws me off PoE.

@hansbansor5170

3 жыл бұрын

Yea I get you. I started with embracing the fact that the endgame in path of exile is far far away so it didnt really frustrate me that I couldnt kill any bosses. But I kept learning new things from League to League until I could look up specific problems and find answers to them online. I tried using a complete-guide early on and it ruins everything because you dont understand a thing and just do what the guide tells you. When you played enough by urself to actually understand what a guide tells you, you are able to add your own twist to it. Usually you dont have enough currency to follow the guide one by one anyway, so you still can be quite creative in that regard. But of course there is nothing wrong with loving Diablo, too^^

@glow4417

3 жыл бұрын

@@hansbansor5170 yeah have massive respect for POE, but prefer Diablo and the gameplay spec approach they take. POE is like perhaps the most complex game ever, just hours and hours of complexity.

@iatwiatw

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think the video doesn't do a good job of describing just how complicated and hardcore PoE has become. You simply cannot play it without a guide or references. He's right in that you will benefit immensely from checking out meta builds in Diablo 3, but in PoE consulting external resources is a requirement. We're not even talking about trading. Again, there's nothing inherently wrong with complexity and how PoE does it. But if we're going to compare it with Diablo 3, we need to emphasize just how opposite they are in terms of complexity. The difference really is night and day. I think if you're coming from D3 and want to step things up a notch, Grim Dawn and Last Epoch are better options. Those games also practically require consulting build guides, especially for your first couple of builds because you can screw up or at least hamper your progress. But they're much more forgiving and understandable than PoE. Especially Last Epoch. Sure, PoE is free, but the complete Grim Dawn bundle is often massively discounted on Steam. Last Epoch, not so much as it's still in Early Access, but its skill-based variety lets you have fun experimenting and seeing cool skills way sooner than PoE.

@hansbansor5170

3 жыл бұрын

@@iatwiatw I dont think you "need" a guide for poe. You can perfectly fine play the whole campaign without any form of guide. Sure you will do incredible inefficient things and of course you should have the brain capacity to skill fire damage, if you are doing fire damage. You will hit a wall sooner or later after the campaign, but I dont think it is inherently a bad thing. It gives you sth to strive for if you want. You "can" spend hours and hours and delve deep into the insane complexity that poe offers if you choose to. And if not, you still had about 20hours of fun up to that point.

@chefnstrike

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely a tough system to just pick up and play without knowledge. My first character was all over the place.

for me it comes down to build variety. POE seems to have neverending things to try and if you know what you're doing you can excel with nearly anything. D3 has like... 10 builds you can play any given time and in some seasons there are great disparities between the top 3 builds and the rest.

@tbone8358

3 жыл бұрын

Build variety in PoE is more like a facade. It’s not actually variety when you essentially have to pick all the health nodes or energy shield nodes, or follow X build if you want to push maps. PoE has about the same amount of variety or less than Diablo 3 especially if you consider all the legendaries and ethereal items in diablo 3

@adybli36

3 жыл бұрын

@@tbone8358 build variety isn’t health and energy shield nodes... it’s the abilities and specializations. And path of exile has more legendaries than d3, idk wtf you are talking about

@Kahez

2 жыл бұрын

@@tbone8358 how much does blizzard pay you to defend a dead game? pathetic.

@Brui05

2 жыл бұрын

@@tbone8358 theres a lot of skills in poe to use

@Zain-ee2oe

2 жыл бұрын

@@adybli36 thats not his point , the point is that you have to spend notes on life or amouir masterys for reservation efficiencys and stats, a easy solution to even more freedom would be giving players more skillpoints , but that would be to broken.

Been playing D2 for almost 20 years and still totally addicted.

@nomercy8989

2 жыл бұрын

Stop it. Get some help.

@dividendking3686

2 жыл бұрын

I've played since 2001 👌🏻

@Axthenon

2 жыл бұрын

same. I play D2 modded still(I can't enjoy much vanilla so D2R becomes boring fast) My main game is PoE tho. The game is just so good. From a D2 veteran perspective PoE really is the best follow up. I normally play D2 between leagues of PoE and still enjoy it a lot.

I enjoy both games. Diablo 2 and 3 is a really relaxing to play. I like that I don't have to refer to any guides in Diablo 3 - I can just play. It's honestly a pretty chill game. Not exactly the game you want to play if you want to be challenged. But if you don't have a lot of time and want to see everything the game can offer, it doesn't take that long to get to the highest torment level in diablo 3. I did it last season with a Demon Hunter and I think I spent like 3 days. That was fine for me. I don't need to grind endlessly for months in order to enjoy a game - I don't have that kind of time anymore anyway. Path of Exile is really nice, but it does feel a bit heavy if I have not been playing for awhile. I wish I could pre-load my skill tree advancement into the game and have it auto-level my skill tree as I keep playing. Maybe that sounds silly, but would smooth out the flow of the game for me. It's kind of impossible to see the forest through the trees and make the correct long-term decisions on a skill tree while you're just leveling - that's a huge ask. For a new build, how do I know what balance of stats and offense vs defense and special skills do I need right away? Who could really know that so much meta information you can't possible know when starting? It's just far easier to play a build that someone has already worked out from the top-down in advance. I'm sure Path of Exile 2 will help a bit in this area because upgrading gear while leveling is probably one of the most annoying things to do in that game - it's not convenient at all. With currency being as rare as it is, it just feels bad to spend lots of currency to change leveling items you know you're going to throw away very quickly, so I just don't even bother but it makes the loot game feel very bad while leveling. Path of Exile feels a lot better once you get into maps, probably because I've beaten the campaign so many times I am sort of sick of it now. Usually when starting a new ladder season, I just want to get to maps as fast as possible. The campaign feels like a huge wall to me at this point. It'll be nice to play a brand new campaign when Path of Exile 2 comes out. I'm sure it'll also be designed better than the first one too, which is one of the reasons it feels so rough to play over and over.

I never took the time to play PoE but after getting sick of grinding d3 greater rifts I took the time to play and learn PoE and I have to say it's a game in its own league compared to d3, the end game content is far superior, options, customizations etc...I love d3 but I can't even play it now, it feels like a basic game to me with beautiful graphics.

@nodrama490

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my experience also

@andreimunteanu750

3 жыл бұрын

and even the graphics are worse than in PoE

@tbone8358

3 жыл бұрын

@@andreimunteanu750 No they aren’t. And also, I disagree. PoE feels bland compared to Diablo 3. All the classes feel too similar in comparison whereas in Diablo 3 they each feel completely different and there’s way more customization that is viable in Diablo 3 than in PoE. PoE essentially forces you into a few builds if you want to run maps. Diablo 3 doesn’t do this at all, you could even play random builds you just make up and you’re still able to run greater rifts. And Diablo 2 is even better than Diablo 3. The end game level 84 areas in Diablo 2 are what the PoE maps and Diablo 3 Rifts are based off of and they’re just as good if not better than both.

@andreimunteanu750

3 жыл бұрын

@@tbone8358 really , man as much as I love D3 but it has outdated graphics while PoE looks as if it's using PBR which is obviously superior , you have to be blind to not see the effects, the lightning strikes, the fog , the water and the textures ? you obviously don't need to have super detailed models when you have good textures

@tbone8358

3 жыл бұрын

@@andreimunteanu750 no not true, you can look up diablo 3 vs PoE comparisons and everyone mentions that it’s obvious that PoE looks worse, everyone knows PoE has bad graphics especially compared to Diablo 3 and PoE is also way clunkier it has frame drops and issues out the wazoo.. PoE combat = aoe aoe aoe warp aoe aoe warp ... I thought the game was complex and had creative builds but it’s just a bunch of number crunching.. I want to play a game not follow a build just so I can play the game. All builds are a big aoe with a movement with auras, the passive tree might as well not even exist since you’re only punished harshly in the late game for mistakes. Just because there’s a big passive skill tree does not mean that there’s choice. It’s like in diablo 3 the legendary gems... well mostly people only use a handful of the legendary gems cause they’re so much better than the others.. that’s how the whole passive tree is in PoE.

One massive point in favor of Path of Exile is that you won't be supporting or giving any money to Activision/Blizzard, one of the worst companies in the industry.

@plaidhatter1674

2 жыл бұрын

From Dev interviews, GGG are clearly passionate about their game and want it to be good

@acesuperwolf3277

2 жыл бұрын

Alright, you convinced me

@NoobTheMexicanNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Blizzard is a good company

@Fronken89

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoobTheMexicanNinja Seems you've spent some time under a rock. Feel free to update yourself on the myriad ways Blizzard has proven themselves to be one of the worst companies in the history of gaming.

@robf4605

2 жыл бұрын

Very true. Not the same people who created the original Diablo/ Diablo II. They were legend.

You didn't mention the balance and drop-rates. Those are the aspects that would really weigh the games for hardcore vs casual. That and the distance from download to endgame. You can have fun in PoE with whatever build you want, but to even get to the endgame you're already meeting the endgame challenges. D2 can be played through to the end of the first difficulty fairly easily. D3 can be a walk in the park, or very punishing if that's what you're into, to experience all of the story-based content before you get into the slog of endgame min-maxing.

@matthewreynolds4382

2 жыл бұрын

How are the drop rates in PoE vs Diablo 3?

@gogroxandurrac

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewreynolds4382 They're balanced for trade, so much lower. If you know D3, you could fill out your LoN build before a PoE character could get more than 4 pieces of their final build. Assuming all of the drops for their ideal build were the first of the type that they found. For reference, in the same amount of time I spent getting a full set (pre-Haedrig's Gift) and all the accompanied legendaries in D3, I found 2 uniques (neither of which were viable for my character) in PoE and 0 6-linked items. Uniques aren't the end-all that legendaries are to D3, but they're the same rarity of item.

@matthewreynolds4382

2 жыл бұрын

@@gogroxandurrac OK thanks, that's helpful. Bit of a bummer that PoE is stingy with drops. I hope there's no p2w mechanism that can get you geared up faster? It's just stash tabs and cosmetics, right?

@gogroxandurrac

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewreynolds4382 Yeah. PoE has been really good with their monetization.

@THEVINI3011

2 жыл бұрын

POE builds is not balanced around uniques tho. Rares and craft are the end game gear.

I have played both and I am a Diablo fan through and through, however I will try POE 2 but I still believe in the end it will be Diablo 4 for me

I have really tried to get in to POE but the combat feels very flat to me. Its feels like a chore to play.

@endersblade

3 жыл бұрын

I have a Cyclone/Whirlwind build in each game. Both of them are just hold right click, spin to win. I have a necromancy build in each game. In PoE, I summon my horde and just waltz through the map without having to do anything. In Diablo 3, I have to be a Korean Master level SC2 player to keep the APMs high enough for my horde to be effective. I have had far more issues getting (meta) builds to work in Diablo 3 due to the ridiculous button mashing required than I ever have with anything in PoE. And in both games, you can control the difficulty, meaning any challenges that are pushing you away from the game are there because you chose for them to be. Breeze through some easy stuff until you get the gear/skills/experience to bump it up. That's why the option is there. Nobody is expecting you to play T16 maps directly out of the gate. Just like nobody expects you to farm GR100s.

@MrStickyMouse

3 жыл бұрын

@@endersblade It's not the difficulty or the complexity that I have an issue with. It's just that the moment to moment combat isn't satisfying. That might be down to the animations. Theres no weight to the hits. I'm hoping POE 2 addresses that.

You missed some of the major points about PoE's endgame. At the end of maps are a lot of well designed and sometimes difficult boss encounters. Getting there and beating them feels great for the first time. The power curve you get from barely getting by to absolutely blasting maps and melting bosses at warp speed is what a lot of players strive for. Huge negative though: it takes a lot of time commitment to get there. Either in overall play hours over the life of the game to become a very knowledgeable player, or in league game hours of weeks or even more than a month to get there.

Man, great work as usual BUT this question is very hard to answer. I mean, the Diablo 2 fans know what they love and the PoE fans also know why this is their game, they love PoE for what it is. The truth is all depends on the lifestyle one has. I myself respect the PoE team, I love the smart way they created it and the richness PoE offers. However, I have too much real life and I have a family , so PoE is not cool for me, even though it is a great game. It is just that reading guides and wikis for 10 days and then training for weeks and then waiting for IDK what to go the final end game which is mega complicated and then again reading other guides and then starting a PhD program to know how to improve the Duelist.........IT IS TOO MUCH. And at some point after just finishing a story and reaching a let me say "almost high level " - I just left PoE. But again - it is a really great game for sure. Nicely created. Smart. Rich. But sometimes "more is less " ... Diablo 2 is the best and for me it is my personal best item hunting game ever

complexity goes something like this PoE > D2 > Tetris > D3

@sergueileonardoafonin7950

3 жыл бұрын

You forgot Candy Crush after Tetris

@1911Zoey

3 жыл бұрын

@@sergueileonardoafonin7950 Ahahahaha

Blizzard hasn't released a single update for half finished, Warcraft Reforged in a year. My D2R hype is minimal.

New sub here, great videos. Just now getting into this style of game and your videos are very informative. I'll be watching more to get myself caught up in all this.

Great video - just picked up POE after hearing about it a lot - such a breath of fresh air. Didn't play D3 until recently as well and it's such basic trash compared to POE. Did the D4 betas though and it looks like a vast improvement on D3. POE still has me intrigued though...POE2 could be huge

Have always kinda felt the perfect game exists somewhere in between the two. Hopefully the next iteration of both games brings them a bit closer together in terms of what they offer overall. PoE2 would do well to be a bit more approachable in terms of systems - D4 needs to really create a great deal more depths in theirs, while pushing out regular seasonal updates that feel more like PoE leagues. It would seem both titles may well be on that path already and we'll end up with two great ARPGs in the next couple years, I'm okay with that. Time will tell.

@lluisg.8578

3 жыл бұрын

There's a game in between D3 and PoE: D2 Hope D4 or PoE 2 can approach the result to D2

@bha1959

2 жыл бұрын

Very well said.

@KingMette

2 жыл бұрын

@@lluisg.8578 honestly i dont hope so, i find d2 one of worst arpg there is, spamming pots non stop, no thanks

@RobertJohnson_Zeppo

2 жыл бұрын

I've heard Grim Dawn fills that void well and I enjoyed the limited time that spent playing it.

@KingMette

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobertJohnson_Zeppo Grim dawn is my place to go if i wanna play an arpg

PoE just gets more complicated each patch, it's come to the point where it's stressful just to start up again. I prefer modded D2 since it provides just the amount of depth I want without it being overbearing.

@bowlock9901

3 жыл бұрын

Offline Plugy D2 is my perfect game. I'll never tire of it. And i agree, PoE is far too complicated and that doesnt always mean better. Less is more as they say, a lot of the newer generation don't understand this and im not surprised. They've been brainwashed by the industry, not their fault but thats what it is.

@NolaGamer

3 жыл бұрын

Path of exile is bloated with too many game mechanics. Don’t they realize when too much is enough?

@zero_grav_original

3 жыл бұрын

@@NolaGamer the beauty of POE is that the wide array of choices at endgame allow for a different experience frequently. You are able to do different mechanics and can literally ignore others and still easily have a successful season. Sure, some routes are META, but you can for instance literally run a season and ignore something like Delve or Heist yet still make hundreds of exalts. Nothing in POE is forced. Very well thought out. You can even get rich in the game farming an old mechanic like Shaper or Uber Elder completely ignoring everything other than map mechanics through the first 8 watchstones.

@indiegamesonly6617

3 жыл бұрын

@@NolaGamer `thats like saying any restaraunt that offeres more than 2 or 3 things is too much.. you dont hAVE to eat everything. just pick 1 thing. the name of the game is CHOICE. you will never do everything in POE. even if you are the best player in the world you litterally cant do everything.

@eddienash2095

3 жыл бұрын

@@indiegamesonly6617 Poe does have too many mechanics and technical nonsense. the games great but at this point it's like they are making it complex for no reason

Find POE a bit claustrophobic, due to it’s almost top down perspective. Hope they flatten the camera a bit in 2.

Just finished Wolcen Lords of Mayhem and Titan quest with DLC's, I recommend trying these if you have not played them in a few years. There are so many games like this now POE, Grim dawn and on and on. So much to choose from =)

FEX WHAT Are you talking about?? poe HAS LIke 15 different end games... Maps is ONE of the end games.. what about Delve? or shaper? or Uber atziri or Sirus? or atlas? Blight farming, metamorph, Delerium 100% , there is TONS of end game.

I could never get the hand of a lot of path of exile's loot system and how loot filters work (on console)

@roadrash2005

3 жыл бұрын

Yea path of exile is clunky on console

While there is certainly a lot to be argued regarding how varied the mechanics are season to season, stating that there are no unique mechanics for each D3 season is simply not accurate. In addition, set items are changed so significantly that they're essentially new sets (or new sets are added). Obviously not everyone's cup of tea, but it's much deeper than described here.

I started playing D2 after D3/PoE (I played till Act 2 as a kid on my cousin's PC) and honestly I find it to be a better overall game than those two, especially with some light nodding like Path of Diablo.

@dsinemoi1mouton

3 жыл бұрын

It's probably because it is simpler, but more subtle also. Things have to be figured out. It is also a more believable world overall. You can identify to the characters way more.

I really wanted to love and play long term on PoE but I just couldn’t get past the huge learning curve. It’s unfortunate because it’s become even more complex from what I saw on Twitch. Oh well looking forward to Alaloth Champions of the Four Kingdoms. Not to mention when did ARPGs turn into dungeon runners? I miss the D2, Titan Quest days where it was a bit more slow and methodical. Alaloth looks to give me what I feel we lost in this genre. I don’t want to fly through dungeons.

@tuaa33

3 жыл бұрын

D2 was super but had to google the rune words & secrets there. PoE needs the google a bit too but still opens easily when finding the key elements. PoE casters like ZiggyD and Zizaran got very well explained tutorials for the key stuff & seasons.

I can never get into poe and I've tried so many times.

@66Heinkel

3 жыл бұрын

That skill system is insufferable.

@starofeden9277

3 жыл бұрын

you miss nohing ans safe yourself tons of frustration and stress

@TheShitpostExperience

3 жыл бұрын

@@66Heinkel any part of it in particular? the linking system, the skill vs support gems, mana reservation?

@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheShitpostExperience I believe you've answered your own question.

@jouaienttoi

3 жыл бұрын

@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Those things he mentioned takes at most 10 minutes to learn about. People are just lazy. Yes, Path of Exile is extremely complex, but you don't have to interact with most of the mechanics to make a successful build.

if you only want to finish high school go for: Diablo 3 If you want doctorate in ARPGs go for: PoE

@tietvinhtrannguyen7439

3 жыл бұрын

But you need a PhD for PoE before playing PoE lol

@kinoguy7503

3 жыл бұрын

@Paul Jacobs It isn't overcomplexity "for the sake of it", it's overcomplexity because there ARPGs appeal to people who like to grind, and a game like D3 is just too shallow for a long grind to be satisfying. PoE isn't impossible to understand, especially if you've played other ARPGs, and the depth is the appeal.

@najlepszeszotywmiescie6329

2 жыл бұрын

@@kinoguy7503 Better play Diablo imho. I want grind and pvp, cya frustrating PoE

@kinoguy7503

2 жыл бұрын

@@najlepszeszotywmiescie6329 "grind" in diablo lol. i guess we have different definitions of that word.

Also if you are new to Path of Exile do not ignore the in-game help menu system it's actually really awesome for the beginner with tons of good information pictures even videos all built in kind of like an Interactive dictionary of sorts. Another thing to add about Path of Exile's leagues, in many cases the content of a league is moved into the base game if it's received well Diablo 3 Seasons just modifications to the base game rules. All the things in Path of Exile that has been moved into the base game are accessible from the ongoing standard even some things that are considered Legacy items (Op items that were either taken out of the game in leagues or nerfed heavily multiple times like the increased item quantity support gem just expect to pay a ton to get a legacy item and you would have to be on standard softcore not hardcore) so if you want to start a character and just have continual progress you can just start a character in standard and just play there forever basically without having to worry about the three-month reset

love both i prefer diablo 2 as a inbetween guy but. I really want to like poe i just struggle as a solo self found guy. between finding a build that i like and that works.

@dmitrynutels9340

3 жыл бұрын

Therre are streamers, like zizaran, that hold a set of, for the lack of a better word, lectures in their Poe University. You can probably follow a build from any of the long-time streamers like Mathil, Pohx, zizaran, Tarke, GhazzyTV, This Is Badger and do really really well. The forum is an amazing place to start with people who will help you out.

You should play both, they are both amazing in their right!!! 😀

@corbeau-_-

2 жыл бұрын

still on the fenct xD

I clicked on this video with the mindset "haha, PoE is better, let's see what this guy has to say" but honestly I think it's a really fair comparison. Having played both games, I KNOW PoE is my favorite, but this video made a lot of good points in favor of Diablo, and I think it makes a really fair case for either game and it uses really layman friendly terms to describe the games. I've definitely seen the complexity turn away players, I tried introducing my dad (big diablo 3 player) to the game last league and it took him most of the league to make it to maps... and that was after he stopped playing at act 2 in the league prior. This league though, he's there in under a week! I think I got him hooked. Anyway, I think this debate would be much more easily framed if Diablo were more consistent between releases, but I definitely enjoyed it more than I expected I would.

@Stavroization

2 жыл бұрын

While I prefer D2, I believe PoE is a great option for long time D2 players looking for a bit more. I just wish PoE didn't fall into the same trap of super speed, screen explosions, and massive damage ramp up that d3 also fell in.

@orbys3728

2 жыл бұрын

Sane

@americanoligarchy8825

2 жыл бұрын

Ahaha fair comparison lol. No sorry. POE is better in literally every aspect. Diablo is just a lazy corporate cash grab. Play Diablo for a few hours and you are done. You experienced everything you can do in a $60 game. It's shallow, cartoon graphics that are a spit in the face of the original games. PoE keeps it fresh, it doesn't look like a cartoon for children. Complex deep customization. If you like Diablo over poe then I have an alternative "game" you will love. It's called fortnite. Same cheezy graphics, easy to play, and makes the developer rich without even trying.

@americanoligarchy8825

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stavroization a "bit" more lol.

@Stavroization

2 жыл бұрын

@@americanoligarchy8825 lol you're so edgy. Keep it up.

For the endgame i kinda disagree in the way that in D3, you play riffs for "nothing", you don't have a goal or a story-line to follow, your only goal is (once you got your set) to climb the ladder... In POE you get those "Pinnacle bosses" which are really hard for a majority of players and those are your goals to attain and you're driven by the story, it doesn't feel like playing to farm only and those bosses drop exclusive loot of their own of course so...

Poe for sure has a learning curve. Diablo is a pick up and play.

@Grandeur023

3 жыл бұрын

Learning curve is a very generous way of saying it. I absolutely love games like these and I can’t get into POE. It’s absurdly overwhelming at times. I can’t really imagine someone that isn’t familiar with arpgs having a clue what’s going on in POE. It’s complicated just for the sake of being complicated.

@chefnstrike

3 жыл бұрын

@@Grandeur023 I’m on my 3rd character and I’m really just learning the game. I hope Poe 2 is more user friendly.

@Grandeur023

3 жыл бұрын

@@chefnstrike yeah I agree. I’ve tried the game 4 different times and end up quitting after a couple days. I just wish some things were a little better explained. I hope POE 2 or Diablo 4 fall somewhere in between Diablo 3 and POE. They are both fun in their own ways but where D3 is extremely simplified, POE is overly obtuse.

@endersblade

3 жыл бұрын

Ultimately the goal of each game is to min-max your gear to optimize your character. In that sense, PoE is the EVE Online of the ARPGs. It's fairly easy to get at least started, but requires vast spreadsheets to min-max your character. For Diablo 3, it's just a matter of getting the right stats to drop on the right gear, you have no real control over it. Just grind and you will eventually get it.

@nawawii3750

3 жыл бұрын

It's natural, I have over thousand hours in POE and there are still things I can't figure on my own.. and I make builds for the game mind you.. The basic principle is, you don't create build from zero. You have to find core mechanic that work first, and empathize of some of it's aspects. You can create 20 different builds with the same core mechanic, some of them will work, some will not, but if you try to create a build from zero, it's 100% not gonna work. Also respec is a thing. So many builds even revolve around lrvtlingbin one way, and respec at endgame with another build

After years of playing path of exile, I still learn new things every time I play. The depth in the game is unmatched. POE is the real Diablo 3 imo.

@9minutes236

3 жыл бұрын

I'm totally new to this game I have like 2 hours and still playing I have no fuking idea wtf am I doing xd

@9minutes236

3 жыл бұрын

@Ludwig Ezenheim yeah i was following a guide i finished the main story

@9minutes236

3 жыл бұрын

@Ludwig Ezenheim thanks for the info mate

You should make a comparison video with Last Epoch aswell added in with Diablo/PoE. Ive played D3 and PoE since both were in beta/early acces/original release and i must say if Last Epoch gets a better endgame then they currently have and realign the difficulity (currently its to easy for veteran players) it will beat both out of the water i think. Ive heard they are working on 3 new endgame systems atm in addition to the 2 current ones. They've done a amazing job of mixing up the complexity of PoE with the class system of Diablo and they've taken a mix of both crafting systems and improved upon them.

when it comes to diablo I think the expectation is hours, diablo has been a franchise based on grinding and dumping hundreds if not thousands of hours into finding better gear. For me and I'm sure for a lot of diablo fans its fine if its 60$ as along as its a grindable experience that I can and will want to put my time into

@421less1

2 жыл бұрын

Just do yourself a favor and play poe lol

Just got into PoE and it's amazing, so much fun. I much prefer it to D3, but I've never played D2. Needless to say I'm very excited for resurrected and I hope they add some kind of additional mode for endgame just to keep it fresh. If they don't, I'll enjoy it for a few months then go back when the league resets for PoE.

@uchihabently6712

2 жыл бұрын

D2 has a whole diff system so many classes and builds are nice and to get the (end game gear) takes a long time even u have good gear u can maximized or changed it so u can play it longer without feeling bored like d3 just say it like u can play long time with many classes

@sebastom123

2 жыл бұрын

@@uchihabently6712 you dont get it im still playing d2 *yea since 2000* there is no end you ll understand one day

@uchihabently6712

2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastom123 read my comment again please

@winddruid9789

Жыл бұрын

Please, consider playing diablo 2. Its far better than D3, and is truly enjoyable.

Diablo 2 has the Tristram event, thats basically the "end game dungeon" I hope they add more

Another bonus for path of exile at least for me is the community I've gotten so much good loot from older players just giving them away for free and the ones that I do have to trade are not typically that expensive It has a very fluid economy

I've played Diablo since the original release in the 90s and always thought of D2, specifically, as the best ARPG until POE where I played during the beta and on/off after release. I'm currently loving D2R and looking forward to D4, but I doubt ActiBlizzard will ever top D2 nor POE, especially. That doesn't mean I can't play and enjoy both franchises for what each brings. I believe you were right on the 💰.

You missed the fact that Diablo 3 seasons have a different unique passive effect or rule change each season. Similar to the leagues but to a lesser extent, there's still something new about each season. It allows for slightly (sometimes majorly) flexed build variety each season. It's still not huge, but the video makes it sound like each season is identical.

@endersblade

3 жыл бұрын

The difference though is once that season has passed, that unique passive or rules change is gone forever. In PoE, the leagues eventually get rolled into the 'Standard' server, where your league characters end up after the league is over, and where the 'forever' people (people who don't just roll for leagues and then quit until the next league) play as well. They usually appear as events and such on maps, although sometimes modified slightly to work within that model rather than being the central focus as it is in a league.

@ruslanvictorenko1536

2 жыл бұрын

The Diablo 3 seasons are so undercooked and offer so very little that it is negliable.

@pandaislife1079

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I agree. It doesn't seem like this guy played diablo 3 more than 5 hrs tbh. Recent season systems were pretty dramatic. Also, those new system going away forever may actually be a good thing for casual players because they don't need to learn the old stuff. POE's learning curve is a bit too deep.

PoE and Diablo 3 do not have a similar end game. I've played diablo 3 since release and completed every seasonal challenge on both normal and hardcore. PoE has a more complex and rewarding end game than diablo even comes close to.

@joelhodoborgas

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, youre rewarded for running thru a map and enemies die when you touch them, end game is braindead beucase you just have to run to kill shit.

@kickerbs

2 жыл бұрын

@@joelhodoborgas there are end game only bosses with special items you can only get from them, every old league mechanic that is in the game has their own end game that plays differently from mapping, and with this next league today you can pick and choose which one of those you want to do along with an even higher tier of bosses with even better loot, just because a lot of people never made it to maps or just got into white/yellow tier than quit doesn't mean there isn't more end game outside of it

Yeh kinda nailed it. The fact that D2 still holds up and is IMO superior to D3 in every way, really says a lot of the quality of D2 and lack of quality in D3. I mean the game is what.. 20 years old by this point? If you have played POE and not played any diablo game, you are better of playing D2 over D3, and remember the game came out 20 years ago.

Great video. Just got into d3 on xbox. Having fun on necro and wizard

I mean there are similarities in the diablo franchise, but Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 are such different games that, when you say diablo, I dont even have something solid popping in my head. However one thing they have in common is that classes are actually classes and they have identity. That is a very significant deal breaker for me with PoE, regardless of the other factors, I dont want my character abilities and playstyle to be entirely defined with items. One more thing to add with PoE and to a lesser extent Diablo 3 is that, the game plays a certain way. The time to kill in those games are very low, especially with PoE, the game basically devolves to, kill your entire screen with each ability and the game fills the screen for you again. In Diablo 2, this is a lot different. Monsters have a lot more character and a lot more meat. You are expected to be in combat with the same monsters, you need to kite, you need to crowd control, you need to debuff them and escape their abilities. I also very much prefer this over the others.

Not kidding I spent the last 4 or 5 years slowly learning path of exile. Needless to say I'm a fan.

@bosch5303

3 жыл бұрын

Soon poe will have a collage degree

@SourSpark.

3 жыл бұрын

O still a noob then, huh? (jk)

@TheInsomnatech

3 жыл бұрын

@@SourSpark. facts

@feo130

3 жыл бұрын

@@bosch5303 You clearly have never gone to "collage" yourself.

I have tried both and tend to end back up at D3 and enjoy a season every so often. One of the main factors was the ease of gameplay and sense of accomplishment I could get out of small burst gaming sessions with my limited free time. On the other hand, I was a silver supporter for POE but was unable to play it properly for the first 2 years, just due to the horrendous server support and bad netcode, struggled to play it from my country. While it is better now and I am able to play now, the gameplay just doesn't grab me as much; and the trade system still confused me sometimes. To be fair D3 was horrendous at launch as well, but luckily the second game director helped get the game back to a good state with the expansion and then helped slip in all those massive content patches. Either way I am looking forward to both new versions of their respective franchises. They have definitely learnt a lot from each other over these last few years. At the end of the day ARPG players can't complain as we are spoilers for choice and there is a game to suite everyone's needs and playstyle.

Good review. I prefer Path of Exile now, after starting on Diablo 3. I like the cinematics of Diablo 3. You can see that Blizzard is a top notch studio with great cinematics. I really like the story of Diablo 3 too. As for gameplay itself, I prefer Path of Exile. That would be the game I would keep going back to. I've played a couple different builds for different leagues, and each one has had their own flare and challenge. My best one so far was the Vortex Ocultist, she was super powerful. I'm looking forward to Path of Exile 2 and the change with sockets. The part that annoys me with Path of Exile are the loot drops and that you need to have 5 or 6 link gear to really get going in endgame content in Path of Exile. And that is hard to get. I haven't played for a little while, mainly because I am waiting for Path of Exile 2 at this point and the change in sockets.

@thesunryze4658

2 жыл бұрын

Hi! pretty interesting to read a new player PoV as someone who has probably over 10k hours in PoE. You shouldn't get your hopes too high for the socket changes making it easier because links will still exist, but tied to gems instead. So you won't chase 6L items but chase 6L gems instead, it's much better from a gear upgrade PoV but not much of a change. However, i believe you may lack experience in PoE which is why you struggle to get a 6L. There are very easy and time efficient ways to get a 6L : there are divination cards you can target farm for 6L in specific maps / leveling zones, just farming vaal side areas which have insane drop rate of 6L, corrupting strongboxes, etc etc... I completely understand that if you don't know it then it looks difficult, so I hope this little bit of information may help you when you play again :)

@DerBarbarischeGermane

Жыл бұрын

Totem Warchief builds are insane too and also Necromancer with their undead Army. One of the strongest and most fun builds i've ever played!

My biggest issue with PoE is that it's super deep in terms of builds, mechanics and content but the second-to-second gameplay just feels worse than Diablo. Abilities don't feel punchy or exciting, enemies die with canned death animations circa 1998, and combat generally doesn't feel very exciting. Compared to Diablo 3 which is super god damn shallow, but fighting enemies feels satisfying. Enemies go flying, you can blow the skeletons out of them with crits, etc. Abilities feel super satisfying to hit enemies with (I'm looking at you, Locust Swarm) because there's so many ways for them to die. If PoE and Diablo could just have a baby, I don't think I'd play anything else. I keep hoping GGG will revise the combat of PoE to make it feel fun. Add physics, rework enemy models, rework visuals for the abilities, etc. Just polish the combat and make it fun. Instead, PoE is about becoming so overpowered that you can actually sort of skip the gameplay; you just blow up the entire screen instantly killing everything, and then move as quickly as you can to the next screen over and repeat. It becomes a loot slot machine and sort of removes the gameplay/combat aspect. By just deleting every mob instantly it's all about what drops. The drops are always a super important part of an ARPG, but it should be AFTER the combat. The game is about fighting large groups of enemies, and at a point in PoE it stops feeling like "fighting" and more like "instantly deleting". If your build takes any more time than that, it's considered trash.

Tldr; path of exile is better every way.

@da-p6814

3 жыл бұрын

certainly not in terms of animations

@brandenoconnell5539

2 жыл бұрын

🤔 push button screen blow up

I think whoever termed the phrase "It's complicated..." in describing their relationships, is also a Diablo/PoE fan. I love them both, I play them both. I'm addicted to both. And with me it just seems that each offers the difference in what I'm feeling the urge for at that time. If I feel the urge to "really get into the meat" of playing I like PoE for all the overwhelming possibilities of synergizing builds, abilities, resources and and slots. It's a game I love to get technical with. When I just want to mindlessly bash heads, sort through seasonal treasures, and play fun events for storage tabs, cosmetics, ect I absolutely love Diablo 3 for that. They both serve their purpose and I absolutely love both of them. They're both basically the same game, just different sides to the same coin. Heads or tails, it doesn't matter. You're sure to have fun, and isn't that what it's all about?

As somebody with over 1000 hours in both, I find the problem with D3 is that alright yeah, you're playing a new season, some things have slightly changed but at it's core everything is exactly the same. POE on the other hand has a VAST (i'm not kidding when I say this) variety of options of things to do at end game which are updated each league, not only that but they also release expansions (for free) which add an entire chunk to the end game progression systems (look at the atlas & maven)

You could consider graphical updates as content updates too! POE today graphically looks better than the POE a year or two ago. They are updating the look of the game bit by bit. Leading up to the graphics seen on POE 2 previews. Diablo 3 on the other hands looks the same as it was released.

@Mackenzie1995

2 жыл бұрын

@NNBco All you do in Diablo is farm rifts and bounties lol POE we get mega updates , new systems , items , maps , dungeons and leagues every 3 months c: Grab the Copium bud

Great comparison, I just wish you would've touched upon the PVP in D2 and the story of the 2 franchises.

@TENEBRAELGAMING

3 жыл бұрын

same, I really wanted to see a Story comparison

@leiyoh3311

3 жыл бұрын

if you're looking for storyline then poe is not it lol. diablo wins this argument by lightyears

@seanscott3017

3 жыл бұрын

@Lei Yoh May I recommend a channel called Kittencatnoodle for drawing forth lore from Path of Exile. I was quite partial to the story before looking into this, but there is a lot more to dig into with the implications of descriptions that creates a very rich world that is interesting to learn about.

what spell is used in very last clip at 15:28 ? it looks like lightning fury from d2

@scozember

3 жыл бұрын

we dont know yet, that is a footage from POE2

great video. i think no games win, both have pretty major issues that are not mentioned in the video. well, some things about D3 were said... I'm waiting for a better ARPG that may never come, a diablo made with love, and a PoE made without a need for strong time-commitment

I'm just thankfull that they both exist for us players to enjoy.

ive played a ton of d3 and poe, love them both. i like the diablo combat a lot more, setting up combos rather than just doing maps as fast as you can and one shotting everything in order to make currency efficiently. poe wins in basically every other aspect, but the combat is the most important part of an arpg to me. i stick around in poe leagues much longer than d3 but i enjoy my time playing d3 a bit more. they're very different games that i play for very different reasons

@lhays117

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree the combat is a bit stronger in D3, especially since it doesn't because quite as much of a frenetic clusterfuck on higher level late game sections like PoE does (though it can still be pretty chaotic). If there was a game that fused the combat of D3 with the sheer depth and content and customization of PoE it would a god tier ARPG for sure.

@luftim

2 жыл бұрын

but in D3 you will enjoy for 1 week then ur done with it til next season..

@gardian06_85

2 жыл бұрын

@@luftim the very same statement could be made of POE so what is your point. casual player: spends maybe 2 hours a day and might just play the game without doing research on "how to play" a casual player in D3 after a few weeks can put together a build even just slap things together that they think looks cool, and will make progress. a casual player in PoE if not following a guide will most likely hit wall after wall of the set hurdles the game keeps throwing, and might not even have something functional after a few weeks.

@luftim

2 жыл бұрын

@@gardian06_85 but then you have more things to look forward to, if its hard. If i dont get a thing i usualy just play it, and i just look up guids and it gets more interesting.. in diablo 3 you are done with the game in 1 day.. Litteraly day 1

@gardian06_85

2 жыл бұрын

@@luftim that 1 day for D3 is VERY exaggerated. to get to level 70 alone if doing optimally in a group takes about 1.5 to 2 hours (for your average casual player that is a full day right there) then you have gearing again in an optimized group probably like 2-3 hours (for your average casual player which is unlikely to be that optimized is 1-2 days. but if the player is just going through the game in an unoptimized fashion but still trying to minimize down time 4-5 days at 2 hours each, but that player will be making progress the entire time. many people gravitate so hard to times and play sessions of streamers that optimize the games to extremes that they don't realize the average person is likely to have at most 2 hours a day if that.

cool video, one thing: yes u can only play 1 character in poe if thats ur kind of player, in the standard league pretty much every new league mechanic ends up being added to the standargame. In fact, standard league is the default league that developer recommend u to play, new leagues are more like a beta test and if it goes right then it get added. Of course the vast majority of players play leagues instead of standard, but u can definitly be a 1 character guy forever if u want.

I tried PoE multiple times and got to endgame multiple times, but the builds, stats, gems and passives just overwhelm me to that point that I need a break and usually stop playing at that point.

I was a hardcore D2 player and was deep into D3 then I tried PoE and I've not turned back. PoE has so much freedom to do what you want while D3 puts a leash on you and yanks you back every time you try to stray just barely out if their char design. You want the health benefits of a tank but like to cast spells? They have a build for that! You want to have minions but you also want to fight with them? They have a build for that! You want the accuracy and crit of an archer but be a front line DPS? THEY HAVE A BUILD FOR THAT! And dont get started on the Endgame which has way more depth. I ran rifts until I puked for the same gear but PoE has endgame in the form of maps, mine delves (rifts), legendary bosses, monster crafting (seriously, you can create your own legendary monsters for better loot!). PoE is just a far superior game

PoE is the Spiritual successor to Diablo 2. Diablo 3 wasn’t good. PoE is much less beginner friendly than Diablo, but it has so much more depth to it than any other ARPG game on the market.

Diablo 3 seasons now have unique aspects to each season. Like this season 25 you can collect essences of the prime evils. And a few seasons before the special thing was something to do with ethereal

YOU DIDNT PICK UP THE UNIQUE GAH aside from that, i think it's cool there is more enviromental interaction, like burning arrow melt frost wall

Diablo 3: fast pace power fantasy PoE: slower thought out power fantasy. That’s how I see the two. Diablo 3 is all about speeding things up. While PoE you have to start slow and plan your build out. But once you do and things start rolling, my god does the power trip really kick in.

PoE felt AMAZING a year/two ago. Now it feels like work. Also lightspeed builds are no longer interesting for me and that's pretty much ALL meta builds. So yeah, hate me all you want but I'm gonna go with Diablo 4 as my main aRPG in the future. I will play PoE2 for sure but... yeah... I'm tired of GGG constant push towards pleasing streamers and no lifers.

@AMabud-lv7hy

3 жыл бұрын

As a long-time PoE fan I would be salty a few months ago.... But seeing the last few leagues like Heist, Ritual and Ultimatum league, I understand that PoE desperately needs a major competitor like Diablo 4 in the market. Unless it’s like Diablo 3 or Immortal. Then fuck it.

@hatshot6057

2 жыл бұрын

@@AMabud-lv7hy Heist and Ritual were amazing. And D3 despite having the best engine has your character flashing all the time in combat, and the enemies you hit also flashing. Look: 7:45. It's so ugly, you can't see s§%! despite there being only 3 enemies on screen. It's like having a bright LED glued to the middle of your screen. D2 waaay better. Build diversity also non-existent, and from what they've shown about D4 it's clear it will be more of the same (they add like what, one single tree per class where you can choose right or left path? That's all?)

Was def looking for your upload to this

I don't know if this is still the case with PoE since it's been so long since I've played it, but re-specking was such a pain in the ass. I wish re specking was free so I can easily try new builds with the same character. I kept on having to do the same content over and over again because I couldn't just try something new on my current character. I'd love to play again, but I'm over playing the same beginning content to get to where I was and then screwing up and having to do it over again.

Crazy that you release this right as I'm getting back into PoE! I had this same internal debate, and you pretty much spot on listed any reasons I could think of to differentiate the two. I agree that PoE has the edge and unless Diablo 4 is something really special then I think Blizzard is in for some trouble with the next gen of top-down ARPGs. Looking forward to your analysis of the next gen when they're available, but from what I've seen and heard, my money is on PoE2

@dsinemoi1mouton

3 жыл бұрын

To me : PoE gets the "Grind all day for years and get a university degree" crown. Diablo II gets the "Best atmosphere and most coherent" crown. Diablo III get the "Most Accessible" crown.

The day i got a taste of PoE, i've never looked back to D3 and if D4 fails like D3, well... i still get my PoE2. Also, we gonna get D2-R so that also nice.

if you pre purchase diablo 2 can you play it before the official release ?

"PoE costs nothing" Stash tabs

Diablo 2 is in my top 5 games of all time, and I'm really looking forward to playing Resurrection and Diablo 4. I completely respect what PoE does to serve its fanbase, but it just hasn't hooked me yet. I want to give it another try at some point.

@chris5240

3 жыл бұрын

I just think D2 is so clean. D3 and POE are a little flashy for my taste.

@laszloneumann500

3 жыл бұрын

You should check out Grim Dawn if PoE looks overcomplicated to you. Its a great stepping stone between D3 and PoE

@lynch42o

2 жыл бұрын

@@laszloneumann500 grim dawn is amazing. People say it's the closest thing to d2 they have played. IMO, GD is in the middle of D3 and PoE, more depth than d3, but nothing like poe.

@luftim

2 жыл бұрын

i have 850 hours in PoE, and i still dont understand half of the game mechanics yet.. i am not joking at all. In D3 i finished the game in 1 week and 1 day.

@jhozthron4415

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah diablo 2 is still my personal favorite, the thing about path of exile is that it went too far for my taste with all the mechanics.. a huge amount of systems, interactions and gameplay loops.. more complexity doesnt necessarily make for a better game experience.

Also worth mentioning D2 mods like PoD or PD2 which add more complexity & end game content (in part inspired by PoE)

@dormetheus

3 жыл бұрын

People never mentioned the trading / market meta as endgame for D2, which is certainly was. Also, the farm for anni and torch charms were interesting, though a big obscure and difficult

I've got a little over 3000 hours in PoE and have only spent about 40 dollars. All on various stash tabs. And you really undersold the PoE Atlas, it's infinitely more interesting and dynamic than D3's greater rifts.

@nikkan3810

2 жыл бұрын

Atlas isn't even much different to rifts. What makes actual difference is league mechanics to embellish endless dull swamps and ruins with millions of monsters who die without even getting on your screen. That's what diablo should learn. New gameplay loops like Delve, Heists, Expeditions, Blights etc.

You guys have given bless unleashed a lot of criticism and again the only things I spent money on was one was a cosmetic bundle and account inventory slot so that I could put stuff in my account stash and pull it out another characters era I have a character that star finished with the story almost finished with all the side missions and I’ve never spent anything to boost that performance I’m not yet at the level cap but I don’t need to be I’ve I’ve managed to go through all the contact without getting there

If you have a fulltime job and a family PoE is way WAYYY too complex to get into.

@GhostoftheTenthEye

3 жыл бұрын

? not really? just follow a build guide and have fun.

@mazzaj89

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, i used to play but now its too much time and knowledge needed. The game is pretty good but meh, too much work lol

@XDarkStrikerX

3 жыл бұрын

@@GhostoftheTenthEye ''not really it's not too complex, just let someone else build your character for you'' lol.

@GhostoftheTenthEye

3 жыл бұрын

@@XDarkStrikerX way to miss the point by a mile buddy. truely the Einstein of our days

@XDarkStrikerX

3 жыл бұрын

​@@GhostoftheTenthEye LMAO okay Mr ''I'm So InTeLLigEnT'' let me explain you something very basic: If the game wasn't too complex to get into for those having a busy life, they wouldn't have to follow a build guide to get into it. Say your comment again looking at a mirror because it totally applies to you. 2+2 isn't just in math.

you forgot to mention diablo 2 has a whole PVP era that cannot be touched by any other RPG thats why everybody played diablo 2,and for the trading

@kernoleary1394

3 жыл бұрын

LOL trading in d2 was a HUGE pain. I still play occasionally and the economy/trading is the most messed up part of that game. Start a game and wait for potentially hours doing nothing in a normal difficulty game so more will see it..... NO THANKS

@johnnyraincloud7518

3 жыл бұрын

@@kernoleary1394 you clearly WAS NOT playing diablo back in 2001,those were the days where the trading channel was full of REAL people and no bots nobody even messed with JSP and nobody had a need to make games to sell their items,sometimes people would make a game called trades and people would join it and exchange items all day long because nobody "knew" what the best item in the game was..it was extremely fun to do and i met a ton of people that im still friends with to this day..the most sought after item was sojs that was the true currency.. .08 valks and everything else was just normal loot back when i played..the rarest item was a windforce and a grandfather

@kernoleary1394

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyraincloud7518 yes I played back in 2001-2002 it's actually the first computer game I ever played, I was 11 years old . I'm just saying NOW if you go in and play it's not a great experience. And back then it just felt like everyone was trying to scam you because few people knew the value of things

Played PoE for a bit but never got into it. With D2 coming out, i've been having fun, but am more interested back in PoE now. Might have to try it out again. I liked both Diablo 2 and 3. Hyped for 4 also.

It will always be a "consumer's taste" point of view. Both are amazing games by themselves, I've played both and currently playing Path of Exile as my main game since Bestiary league, getting better at it as leagues pass by. From my own experience, the most important breakpoint between both games is content delivery. In PoE, you get fresh and new content every 3 months and although is true that you have to start all over again that puts you in the same spot as everyone else in terms of what you can do from the starting point, everyone starts from zero and progress towards the end-game content. However, although Diablo II is one of the best games I've ever played, has been stuck in terms of content delivery. And the thing you have "fixed builds" doesn't provide build diversity to the game as you mentioned with the Paladin character, for example. PoE has that advantage, you can take whichever class you want and make it so you can play whatever you want with it, that's not unique but it gives you freedom for your character development, which IMO is very important in games. With all of this, I must insist that this will always be a "consumer's taste" point of view. I love and hate both games (they are not perfect games, aren't they?), but I prefer PoE all the way.

@ABeastApproaches

2 жыл бұрын

Path of exile is better but it's more complicated if u don't have a lot of time go for Diablo I can't believe the time some people put into poe it's incredible I won't take anything away from either franchise they're both good. I personally don't have enough time to play and max out a character in POE but maybe have time to slowly play a good story line on Diablo happy gaming dudes!

The skill tree of PoE is where I practiced linear programming, and in the process of inputting so much data, found out that I make 1.75% clerical errors. The game in PoE extends beyond the game itself because of the depth.

@nikkan3810

2 жыл бұрын

And it's the biggest downside. Can't even know how much damage you deal without external software. Depth shouldn't become so detrimental.

I love both games for different reasons, but I think I prefer PoA because of the freedom in customisation and it's deeper lore. However what I hate in both games is the RNG in crafting. I mean it's ok that the loot has random stat bonuses, but it's really frustrating when you spend a ton of resources crafting your "perfect" gear and still don't get perfect results.

@christopherbroms2508

Жыл бұрын

My favorite crafting system has got to be the one from last epoch

The problem with PoEs mechanics isn't really, that they are too complex. It's that they often make no intuitive sense and modifiers use a lot of inconsistent wording. There are literally 3+ functionally different versions of "attack speed" "crit chance" "physical damage" and "energy shield". The terminology around leech could almost not be made more confusing, even though it's mechanically pretty straight forward.

I've been trying to understand what it is about isometric ARPGs that people enjoy. I'm pretty new to the genre and on the surface it seems like something I'd maybe like. But when compared to other loot based games these always come up short for me in the gameplay. Grim Dawn in particular is one that I tried and dropped in 2016 but I've returned to see if there's something I missed. No, there isn't. Click on enemies until they die, drink a potion if I'm even remotely close to being threatened. Compare loot for a minute, then figure out what the fuck I'm supposed to be doing about leveling, then move on. Most games it's the action that requires attention but in ARPGs it feels to me that comparing numbers and figuring out builds is what takes up your mind and the gameplay is just clicking on enemies. It just doesn't click with me. If I'm gonna worry about minmaxing then I at least want something to do in order to make that minmaxing worth it. Destiny 2 for example has fun gunplay imo and that's half the reason I return, the other half being the loot and story aspects. However I then tried Diablo 2 in all its 800x600 glory, completely vanilla. Something clicked. I don't know what it is, but it did. I couldn't care less about the story and initially I was getting pretty tired of clicking on enemies. Partially my fault for going the Paladin route. But at some point in act 2 I broke an urn and out popped a rune, a lucky drop. A minute later I had the same luck and a regular enemy dropped a rune. Something about that got to me. Later in part 3 I was looking for an Eth rune to make a Malice flail. I figured I'd get it eventually, didn't wanna bother grinding. Headed out in to the jungle and the first fuckin enemy I killed dropped an Eth. But what really got me interested I think is the lack of leveling depth other ARPGs have. I really don't feel like learning all that shit and having to follow build guides just to click enemies more efficiently. Diablo 2 to me has just enough depth to not be confusing and isn't completely lopsided when compared to the actual gameplay. What I mean is that it doesn't go from gigabrained build crafting to mindless clicking and give me whiplash from switching between the two like other ARPGs. Maybe you just have to grow up with Diablo to have an affinity for the modern games, idk. I was born in 1998 so I've had zero exposure to the genre until now, particularly Diablo. I've heard Diablo 3 is good for beginners too but given its history and Blizzard's questionable decisions I'd rather not. Trying to hurry through and finish D2 before Resurrected releases.