Pat and Ian called it right from the start, gotta give them their credit

@IllusionSector

Жыл бұрын

That's putting it rather delicately. Try my formulation: In Castle Contri's large trophy room of taxidermied asses of Amico shills Smash JT's is the centerpiece. How's that?

Pat and Ian can be arrogant assholes (not that there's anything wrong with that), but one thing they are not is dishonest. At the very beginning of the Amico debacle, they were not aggressive at all. It wasn't until they were getting attacked personally that they started, and with good reason. They fully deserve their upcoming "victory lap" as they like to call it, and I can't wait

@tommiegun1980

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha.....yeah you are right, Cant wait for that video, Greetz👍

@IllusionSector

Жыл бұрын

Also, according to @SmashJT we came to this channel to hate him because we _sheepishly_ believed what we were told by a bigger channel. No, we weren't *TOLD,* we were *SHOWN* with actual footage of him shilling. This guy is so dishonest and childish.

Long story short: Pat was right, This Dude realized he was backing the wrong horse and Tommy scammed everyone

@sam46952

Жыл бұрын

thnx TLDW :)

@HertzBlut

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Couldn't be bothered listening to him for more than a minute.

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

Like Pat did right? 😉

@whookidd1979

Жыл бұрын

Totally agreed!

@josueperez5381

Жыл бұрын

Pat is also acting like Smash is still shilling and never actually apologized. And still publicly says that none of them apologized, but most of them actually did. That's childish behaviour from Pat.

Pat got you good, my boi. HAHA

To care about a console without a solid library, madness.

If you go back and watch Pat and Ian's first video, they were pretty fair. They voiced their concerns and explained why they thought it might not be a great idea. I wouldn't call it being aggressive at all. Also their opinion at the time is even more understandable considering the Coleco Chameleon incident had just happened.

@Pender666

Жыл бұрын

I agree. The problem is Tommy made it personal, attacking Pat and Ian for how they look or their possessions and the supporters went with the tide. Atari Age went on board and banned any Amico critics and it only helped Tommy scam more people. Pat made a lot of good observations about open hiring positions (SW Dev) and how far from done Amico was at that time. Promising to deliver the final product to the backers in November/December and still using a prototype in August with all the bureaucracy and time needed to manufacture a product.

@ccricers

Жыл бұрын

@@Pender666 To add some context, Tommy made a guest appearance in Pat's The Video Game Years series, so they would've already chatted a few times. Pat considered him a nice guy to talk to, but it was probably that personal video directed at Pat and Ian, to invite them to his company and his home (and even cook them a meal), which came on too strong and rubbed Pat the wrong way. It was Tommy's way of guilt tripping to stand strong and maintain a positive relationship.

@andyrome316

Жыл бұрын

I don't like Ian....wish pat would just do stuff on his own.

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

@@Pender666 Tommy didn't attack them. He snubbed them because he was annoyed with their response to the announcement so Pat and Ian have spent the past four years whining and complaining about the console, the CEO and people interested in it.

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

@@ccricers Incorrect. They never chatted. Pat and Tommy met once in passing, that's it. From Pat's mouth.

The problem is Pat just gave his honest opinion about the Amico and everyone called him horrible names while begging their subscribers to keep donating. He deserves the win here.

@mushie8447

Жыл бұрын

Yup, karma is a bitch.

I think Pat was just giving some of you guys a hard time because he was crapped on so much for expressing doubts in the business model for the Amico, and his doubts were ultimately proven to be valid concerns. Personally, I feel that Pat depicted you in a very sympathetic light in that video; the NES Punk character gets duped into financially investing a lot of money into the Amico just like you and even ends up shirtless like you at one point in the video. If anything, it was critical of TT and co. for taking all this money from fans while not delivering the system that he promised to them in the end.

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

Such ignorance... 😆

@R3TR0R4V3

Жыл бұрын

@P M Ferreira yep, mainly from you apparently. 😉

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

@@R3TR0R4V3 Actually the exact opposite as you have now proven. 🤣🤣

@R3TR0R4V3

Жыл бұрын

har har har, boy you really got me. 😐 it's alright, man.. A lot people got duped by Tommy, but sooner or later, you gotta detach yourself from his nipple, face reality and admit the truth. Again, it's all in print and on video. ✌️

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

@@R3TR0R4V3 I know, I've been clipping it and taking screenshots showing you people's behaviour! 😂😂

The issue I think most people had is that KZreadrs were blatantly promoting this product without doing any kind of research into it. Even at a high level, anyone with any experience in investing or business immediately knew this product and business were going to fail. There were red flags everywhere.

Well at least you don't owe Pat 200 bucks.

@thelastdragon5551

Жыл бұрын

As if the 10k wasn’t enough. 😂

This guy trying to be humble because he was so wrong and looked/acted stupid in the lead up to this.

I don't think Pat was being mean-spirited. It was just a roast. I'm glad you seem to be taking it as no hard feelings :)

Another video response to Pats recent vid?… 😅

End of the day Pat was right .

No hate whatsoever but you gotta admit he busted you guys out. You dudes were all caught in 4K schilling for Tommy. When your wrong your wrong. Gotta be a man and own it.

This whole Amico debacle probably ruined your KZread career as someone who is credible and tactful. You acted like a child, and I have to believe that a certain aspect of this is your true personality.

hey at least you got a $10k ferrari ride

You thought you was gonna get rich. Big deal. Nothing to see here. Have a good life man. Peace.

This was so stupid. I just caught up with this whole Intelli-boomer-vision console endeavor and I'm literally vicariously embarrassed for all of you that thought this would actually be a thing.

This is just getting embarrassing now.

Pat's video is a good summation of the Amico's problems for those who don't have the time to view the entire Amico playlist. Also, anyone can dislike Pat & Ian, but resorting to lame insults about their appearance or anything else unrelated to the argument, just makes your rebuttal as bad as Tommy's name calling. Pat & Ian gave Tommy a fair chance, in that they were skeptical but wish him the best since they were still on good terms back in 2018.

Hey that guy bought another shirt! 👕 Good for him! 😊

Epic takedown by Pat. You all are schilling for the next OUYA dissapointment.

@songohan3321

Жыл бұрын

It's actually worse than the Ouya because, unlike the Amico, I can actually still buy an Ouya.

@IllusionSector

Жыл бұрын

OUYA, as unviable as it turned out to be, seems like a much sane venture by comparison. On the other hand, it's astounding that anyone would see any potential in a concept as ridiculous as the Amico.

Hahahaha, not so cocky now, are we?

…..still wearing the shirt eh?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Naw bruh! You had 1 chance. Forget Pat I disagree with him a lot but the way you are handling this is wack. Good Luck to you and that is said with no stockholm or any investment I really mean it. But call a spade a spade from here on out then ill come back.

I'm a fan of a lot of people portrayed in the video and those who made it and one thing I have to point out, even Pat and Ian thought Tommy would at least get a product released so basically across the board Tommy was given the benefit of the doubt and shit on everyone that either detracted from him or supported him. He unleashed on all sides.

I’m one of those that came here because of Pat’s video. I’m not here to hate on you but there really is a hard lesson here. If a rich industry has been comes knocking then you can’t help but question it. If you have lost money then I feel for you, but these ropey investments should be left to companies that can turn the thumb screws and take the hit if necessary. I hope all that lost money get at least get some of it back. And good job to Pat for calling these bad investments out. Peace ✌️

blablablablablablabla..........yeah what trent said: pat and ian were right.

Pat, not to honk his horn anymore than it already gets honked, Saw through the bullshit from minute 1 . His deep knowledge of all things video game led him to the perfect deductive reasoning .

you got conned by tommy and realised you were conned. yet some muppets still believe his stories

$10K ouch.

You have made videos like this multiple times, explaining same stuff, you are repeating yourself.

“A lot of people hit me up…” Lies.

@SpeccyHorace

Жыл бұрын

I thought you were sick of him?

Amico rises from the grave more than Jason! 😂

id be mad too if i lost 10k.

I'll comment more later something more serious, but this just popped in my head. The Intellivision Amico is like the jelly of the month club, that's the gift that keeps giving the whole year.

you are my only Amico source keep feeding the audience 2023 will be spicier than 2022.

You showed up on my feed because I watched the pat video. I’m going to stick around and watch some of your videos.

Do you think the COVID thingy played a part in the failure?

@SmashJT

Жыл бұрын

Hard to say, who knows what to believe from what this company says. Also Retrocade and others were able to put out systems DURING the pandemic or shortly afterwards, while raising nothing or far FAR less money so….

Seems like Tommy Tallarico had move away from the Intellivision Amico, only Phil Adam and John Alverado are still trying to convince people that the console is still coming when the writings are already on the wall. It's almost close to the anniversary of their unboxing of the console and it seems there are no video update of when the thing will launch.

@IllusionSector

Жыл бұрын

_Seems like Tommy Tallarico had move away from the Intellivision Amico_ - Or probably *removed* from his position because they had enough of his CEO cosplay.

Smash going in this blind I hope you laugh at yourself because humor is the best remedy. Mistakes happen. Learn from them and laugh.

I thought his video was great, but its ok to laugh at yourself sometimes. Its not a big deal my friend, thats gamer banter!!!

Pat was right, all of you guys were wrong. Like, some of you will take years to dig yourselves out. I do feel bad that you lost all that cash because nobody deserves that. The only way any of you Tommy-clingers get out of this with any integrity is to just admit your error, ask for forgiveness from those you influenced to lose money, and move on. And don't ever forget what TT did, because it's happened before and will again unless you guys out there learn from this mess.

@mosesh06

Жыл бұрын

Shut up, phil

@HappyMealBieber

Жыл бұрын

Tommys Ferrari was proof of how he was spending the money. Very cringy

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

Pat wasn't right about everything concerning the Amico and some of his claims are still to be proven.

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

@@HappyMealBieber LOL, he had the Ferrari years before the Amico. 😆😆

Definition: an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. "I used to be a shill for Tommy" in a sentence

Why are you still wearing the Amico shirt? Still wanting to back Tommy? Point did not get across, your pokes toward people who attack the facts was made too personal. Stick to jogging and hiking videos.

🛑 You only “turned heel” when things started going south for YOU. You never questioned anything…… until it affected YOU. I’ve watched a few of your vids and I actually enjoy the content. But in this case, it was a big L for ya. I do hope you learned from this and if there’s another console that comes out in the future….. tread lightly/carefully 😊 I wish you well and hope to see better judgement in the future.

Pat and Ian were right. You were wrong. End of story?

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

About what because not everything.

@KSlig

Жыл бұрын

LOL, sure buddy.

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

@@KSlig Were they right about Cheetahmen II? 🤣🤣

I’m glad you found that shirt

problem is you still wearing the t-shirt lol

Can’t see the dislikes but I know he’s ratio’d

Oh and the amico looked like crap from the get go

So judging by this video and some other Amiico videos you could say Pat's character in the video more represented your experience with the Amiico. Except the part with you getting punch in the gut by Frank. Oh and that term you were thinking of is called Sunken Cost Fallacy.

oh wow, you have a shirt

It would be interesting to hear your reaction to hbomber guy’s video.

@SmashJT

Жыл бұрын

I may. Thanks!

Hey, I used to be somebody who thought the Coleco Chameleon sounded like a pretty cool idea. A low cost, modern meets retro system that gets ports of old schoolish stuff done new again, that kinda thing. Sound anything like the Amico?! I only know you from that Pat video, so I do appreciate you saying your piece. There was a turning point when I knew the Chameleon was never coming out & changed sides on it.

@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace

Жыл бұрын

I really had high hopes for the Chameleon. Especially all the talk of FPGA adapters for the various consoles. But eventually the MiSTer kind of filled that niche for the enthusiast market.

🤣🤣🤣 Pats video was hilarious

Making fun of Amico dumb dumbs was almost as good as Hbomberguys video, tbf Ian treated you relatively well in his caricature of you

Nobody HATES you dude. But YOU foolishly attacked Pat because he dared to QUESTION something you believed passionately in. YOU deliberately ignored the FACTS and went on a crusade to destroy Pat because he was thinking critically about something you loved. Next time, be more open minded. Listen to people (like Pat) and try and understand what they are saying. You don't have to agree but don't ignore the EVIDENCE people provide when they share their opinion.

Was waiting for this.

Hey look its little mini wannabe pat! Lol

Does anyone have a link to the original video?

How much for that TShirt ?

I would like to know what the company has accomplished in the last year, other than sending out a handful of units to the shills. You made a good response video. Handling deserved criticism is difficult. One should never surrender one’s critical thinking skills under any circumstance.

You didn’t hear? Tommy’s gonna do a Video Games Live tour again….

@SmashJT

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I heard... Wonder how that will be received...

@Artimidorus

Жыл бұрын

@@SmashJT Wait, that's real? ... That's... insulting. I wonder how fast someone would get kicked out if they bought a backstage pass and just hammered him with questions on where the Amico is, where it's being produced, or asked for a refund.

I enjoy Pat’s videos and I understand to take his sarcastic humor with a grain of salt. Your response couldn’t have been more professional and to the point. I think Pat and you could have a good friendship if you’re willing to understand each other.

Change your handle to Smash TT

I was on board just like you, but I did not invest, but I wanted to play games with my 2 year old. I thought this would be a good system to start even before nintendo. I appreciate your honesty. When you suddenly felt like you were getting screwed you came forward and told us. you didn't continue to push it and say it was something that it was not. My 2 year old is now 5 playing Nintendo Switch.

I wasn't against the Amico at first, I thought at first it could have found a small niece but ultimately wouldn't be that successful in the larger market. However, I think this has become way too personal with all parties involved. Nobody should be attacked for asking legitimate questions. At the end of the day "Intellivision" is/was a company and they should be held to those standards. Asking questions about missed ship dates, production quality of preview units and frankly bizarre public announcements is valid. Whenever Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft misstep people are quick to come in and ask the hard questions putting them on blast, but for some reason a lot of people gave Tommy and Intellivision a pass, letting them get away with obvious red flags, that the ship was slowly sinking. At the end of the day, the Amico was a failure and there is no path to recovery at this point. The best-case scenario now is that this thing comes out and then immediately fails, as the whole thought process behind it was flawed and developed by people who don't know how to read the room and can't take any feedback that isn't positive.. When I saw that pitch decks where they were aiming to recapture what the Wii started, I knew this was DOA. The market it was aiming for moved on from dedicated hardware and to mobile gaming almost a decade ago. You can see that from late Wii sales and how the Wii U immediately faceplanted.

@Artimidorus

Жыл бұрын

Yup, at the original price point I figured: "Hey, you know, one more gaming system that is pretty simple but might have a decent number of games released. And the controllers look laggy but maybe you can do something cool with them." It wasn't going to be one of those junk RCA all-in-one consoles, but an ACTUAL new console that wasn't Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo. I didn't have high hopes for it, but I had hopes that there were a few hours of enjoyment possible from it. But after more and more came out I got really annoyed. Old cell phone hardware (which I guess should have kept the price low at the $100-$150 mark.. but still)? NFC cards that aren't even encrypted so you could buy a game that was used while still sealed? The entire AtariAge forum? The people who literally spouted absolute falsehoods and lies at anyone questioning things (like.. well.. a cult)? So much added up badly, and then the price increase to the cost of a Switch. That wasn't the final straw, as that line had been crossed long ago by the CEOs directing an online lynch mob, videos and demonstrations with paid repeated supporters and no announcements really for where the system could be seen/tested, showing fake games, games with stolen assets, and saying the system was ready to release with no firmware/cloud system/and no answers for "What if we buy these games and you shut down?" At this point, I either want to see it release and fail, as you said, or just straight up go bankrupt so people no longer have any expectations and know to just write everything off.

I don’t think anyone with any sense will start hating on the people that supported the Amico. I was really excited when it was announced too. But Tommy is just slimy. Had no idea before this train wreck of a console “release” came along. Tommy has been lying for decades.

You know who was right all along, Slotham

It's all in good fun. Sometimes when you end up being right, you get to rub it in a bit. Ian is probably more salty than Pat deep down, about what other KZreadrs have said. "Gaming Racists" is still the most lulz to come of all this though hahaha.

I know people like Tommy. He is pathological, he can come off as down to earth, cool guy vibe, but he is being disingenuous with an agenda. It’s easy to say he really believed there would be a console released, but he knew deep down it was never going to happen. He put all of his energy to making it look like it would happen rather than the tedious discipline required. This will live on in the gaming community like Bernie Madoff lives on in the crime community. Obviously it doesn’t rise to the level of Madoff, but it was no question a scam all the way. He lied to everyone including himself. A pathological person is use to creating a fantasy world not based in reality, and they believe their own lies. The excessive offices spaces, hiring employees without any clear tasks happening, all major red flags. He'll be lucky if he doesn’t face a criminal investigation over this, because this has all the hallmarks of fraud.

@BillllfulNostalgicInclination

Жыл бұрын

Also, wishing it to happen does not equal logically expecting it to happen. I do believe he wished for it to be, but he didn't have the drive.

How can you still wear that damn shirt?

@SmashJT

Жыл бұрын

Unironically

3:37 - but is that a valid reason to go with any new, hot topic item?

You came out looking like Kevin and The Jelly spotters from Sponge Bob on this one.😆

I'm wondering what you think of hbomberguy's video? It only really scraped the surface in regards to the Amico and focused more on Tommy himself, but having met Tommy, and knowing what you now know about the Amico fiasco, how did it feel to you to watch that and see lie after lie from Tommy be exposed and debunked?

@SmashJT

Жыл бұрын

Honestly it was very eye opening and affirmed a lot of my recent suspicions on Tommy. His insecurities, lies, deceit… just sad… and really too bad, because deep down, I know there’s a good guy in there, but unfortunately- Tommy is fighting too many demons.

Tommy is a song & dance man 🧐

@MudSluggerBP

Жыл бұрын

I've sold Amicos’ to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and, by gum, it put them on the map!

The first step in recovery is admitting it was a cult

@SmashJT

Жыл бұрын

😂

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

Okay hater. 😉😉

@IllusionSector

Жыл бұрын

Is it also the last step? 😁

You came out and admitted You messed up and that is a difficult thing to do. We are only human and we all mess up and its how we deal with that mistake is the key. You deserve Your redemtion arc :).

Dude’s wearing a $10,000 Amico shirt.

Tommy was a master manipulator and he played everyone. He is a coward and is staying quiet because his lawyers told him to. This whole amico thing has been one of the best sagas i’ve witnessed on youtube. I learned about the amico from pats first video in 2018 and from the beginning everything he said made sense and it was hard to ever not see it that way. I wouldn’t even be embarrassed. You were a big player in all this and in a way that means you’ll always be remembered and the footage you got on your office tour is really important when it comes to documenting everything that happened.

It’s just around the corner…🚀launching🚀 on the absolute bestest “Tommy Number Fun” calendar date: ✨10/15/2025✨ 💥Keep The Fate🔥

@saleen235

Жыл бұрын

I already got mine!

@F1JV

Жыл бұрын

@@saleen235 …great…is it 💥crashing💥 &/or 🔥burning🔥?

Outro song is too good.

@SmashJT

Жыл бұрын

Made by Dan and the good folks over at Rebel Gaming Club!

What a victim. Lol "For everyone who wants to hate on me... :'( wahhhh wahhh" Calls someone an idiot then gets proved wrong. LMFAO

you had to wear your amico shirt lmao.

4:11 "This could turn some eyes." Truer words have never been spoken!

Glad u take it good. 🤗

I can't believe all of you guys are still talking about this stuff. It's been put out to pasture (long ago).

@johntesh199

Жыл бұрын

Not really. Its not over until they officially announce the console is canceled. Until then the saga continues.

@F1JV

Жыл бұрын

@@johntesh199 …as Thomas Andrew Tallarico would say: “nailed it!!!”

@Canadian_Gamer

Жыл бұрын

@@johntesh199 You will never get an official announcement, that's not how these situations work. Liquidation of assets are done quickly and quietly.

@IllusionSector

Жыл бұрын

It's an inexhaustible salt mine.

"Amicoists" was a perfect term Smash. It's definitely become a "cult". 🤣

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile on the other side you have the mob. 😆

@IllusionSector

Жыл бұрын

An even more perfect term coined by Pat is _Amicopium._ (A lot of *that* substance is being ingested by the cult now).

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

@@IllusionSector I know a perfect term coined by Pat: hypocrite. Look for the definition and Pat's name is at the top. 😉

@IllusionSector

Жыл бұрын

@@pferreira1983 As it pertains to the subject matter, where did Pat exhibit hypocrisy?

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

@@IllusionSector Where hasn't he? 😆

At the end of the day no one is perfect and I'm happy to listen to your perspective. Great video! I'm glad you owned it and were able to turn it into a positive learning experience.

Good for you getting a new shirt after selling your shirt to invest in amico😂😂😂

I want the kf console 🤣🤣🤣

@SmashJT

Жыл бұрын

Mmm 😋

@scottshomo2205

Жыл бұрын

@@SmashJT that idea of keeping your food hot with a console still has me laughing 🤣🤣🤣 imagine how smelly the game system would get after a while

Box pat

Did you get your $10k back?

I find it hilarious you lost 10K yet continue to wear the shirt 😂 I find pat to be a walking contradiction but he 3rd degree burned you

@SmashJT

Жыл бұрын

It’s an expensive shirt

@SpeccyHorace

Жыл бұрын

@@SmashJT Haha

@Artimidorus

Жыл бұрын

He may have lost 10k, but Smash has been in the stock markets long enough that I don't think he'd ever invest what he couldn't really just lose fully. And he's still recouped at least some of it, though I kind of feel not all of it. It's just a risk, and while he was drawn into the whole thing deeply by Tommy and others, I have to think he still thought: "pro vs con" in the logical parts of his mind. My concern is that not everyone is like Smash and set to lose 10k or their investments (or even pre-order money) since they can't recoup it via content creation online for KZread. Since there is only one place to get any info anymore (DJC channel), I kind of wish Smash could still get us something. It's aggravating that Intellivision actually snubbed one of their big investors who publicly went to bat so hard for them. Beyond losing money, it's like you have to also write off anyone project these guys are ever apart of again.

To err is human

@pferreira1983

Жыл бұрын

To be a hypocrite is worse. 😆

Can I get investment advice please

@SmashJT

Жыл бұрын

GameStop was a good one. Watch me in GameStop: Rise of The Players. Streaming now on Hulu!

@mark8200

Жыл бұрын

@Smash JT Thank you will take a look, although I do feel I've missed the chance in that particular stock

I clicked on this assuming I’d hate you, but I respect you actually responding to the video and taking it in stride. You evoked a lot more sympathy by just being real and honest. I think Pats video will end up being mutually beneficial despite him really portraying you in a douchey light lol.

@SmashJT

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🍻

Big fan keep doing what you do .