Thank you for the update on growing shiitake, much appreciation

@5DLifestyles

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for reply

Nice family. My son is 3 years and 9 months. He helps me in my mushroom cultivation a lot.

I love your demonstration

Fantastic work guys, very inspiring

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thanks so much for kind words.

Kick ass dude! Great to see you again!

Thank you for the awesome update on shiitake, I happen to have some cane in my yard

@5DLifestyles

Жыл бұрын

nice did you grow shiitake on it?

Love it, dude. I'm working on setting up for my first grow and came across your channel. Would love to have an operation like this someday.

@5DLifestyles

4 жыл бұрын

Yes blessed to have a lab. Congrats on getting into the fungus, its a fun and wild endeavor. .

nice work mate. Will have to try the suger cane

Be proud brother man✌️🙏

@5DLifestyles

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I hope to be proud, and humble. This profession can help with both, quite regularly.

It's not easy to come by affordable and sustainable substrates in Hawaii. Thanks for sharing. It's always inspiring to see people getting creative and finding unique solutions. I am interested in seeing how well some of the invasive grasses like guinea grass would perform as substrates.

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah thanks for comments and feedback. I've used a local grass with success, want to play with it more. I am currently experimenting with a fast growing nitrogen rich tree to use as nitrogen supplementation to get away from grain. Video to come soon. Thanks for viewing, commenting and feed back.

@jcrowviral

3 жыл бұрын

@@5DLifestyles great idea. People are just cutting invasive trees down, like albizia, and leaving them to rot. I'd love to see that video!

Bro I'm in the Philippines and we have a ton of sugarcane here so this video really matters to me thank you thank you

@5DLifestyles

4 жыл бұрын

Sugarcane is an awesome material. Good luck with it!!

@anuraggaikwad4441

2 жыл бұрын

Is Sugarcane substrate good for oyster mushroom?

Can I hire your helpers? Seems like you bagged it all up for under a minute. So fun having the kids around. Colours your boring world🤗

@5DLifestyles

2 жыл бұрын

You're awesome. I so agree, so thankful for those little fellas.

im looking for a similar grow like you have. before i thought everything had to be sterilized. but it seems like you can manage well withougt

@5DLifestyles

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Its a huge relief. Allows for a lot more freedom...container, and what have you.

your work is so inspiring thanks friend! do you let the cane to dry or it can be chipped as soon as cutted? thanks again!

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

I usually chip fresh although it can dry out a but but if left too long it gets a little weird.

Hey man what is that bag made out of that you hoist out of there? Also what would you use for a 300 gallon tank

This is what I was looking for, pasteurization and open air inoculation. Do you have any kind of air filtration where you inoculate or by using the right amount of spawn will outrun any comtamination? I want to do it with lions mane and king oyster. Maybe cook some blocks in the oven at 80°C and then inoculate with grain spawn.

great video!

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much very kind, I appreciate the comment.

Hi? For shiitake which strain are you using? I want to try and use baggase instead of sawdust. Have you had any issues with green moulds?

Thanks for the video, I am interested in using sugar cane as a substrate although it would be a byproduct from the mill. Shipping to Hawaii is expensive and there are a few farms growing cane. Your opinions and observations would be very helpful. Aloha

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Cane is a great substrate. In this video I used chipped cane as I couldn't get it from my mill supplier. But now I have my substrate back and yes mill is where its at it can last for a long time. I'll do a video really soon addressing this.

I love your videos and this method of growing shiitake using pasteurized substrate. Thank you very much for sharing. I have watched a few of your videos, im sure you mention it but what part of the world are ya'll having fun in? Also im curious if you can post the math on how much nitrogen you want in your substrate, like for every 55 gallons of sugar cane how much grain spawn are you adding? thanks again.

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome so glad your enjoy videos. I really appreciate the comment. We live in southern Ecuador. You have asked one of most important questions this has been my biggest fail in growing Shiitake adding too much or too little nitrogen. Lots of variables as one has to factor in substrate and sawdust spawn. Short answer two grain blocks. If I’m chipping fresh cane nitrogen levels are higher than cane from sugar mill where so much has been pulled out of it. Also one needs to factor in how many much supplementation is in other spawn. Currently I don’t have access to my pasteurization station so I’m pressure cooking. While I was in nice rhythm with mixes I was running. During quarantine I was running low on cane so I took advantage of freshly cut eucalyptus trees not accounting that them being fresh might have a bit more nitrogen, video to come soon. Moral of story test batch it out once you find a good mix stick too it best you can still learning this lesson some 8 years in. Thanks for viewing.

May I ask what mushroom book do you use as a mushroom bible guide? Many thanks in advance! Love the video!

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Growing Gourmet and Medicinal mushrooms by Stamets and I do also like Tradd Cotters book.

Amazing video. Pasteurising doesn't need HEPA and it is less sensitive to contamination. But do you have any comparison between pasteurising and sterilizing (pressure cooking) when it comes to shiitake yield ?

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

It seems about the same to me. Although I can't verify that for sure. Unfortunately I currently do not have my pasteurization station going I had to take it down. Hope to get it back online soon and I'd like to run some tests to figure that out.

Hey brother, love this! Just what i was looking for this morning. So its looking like you mentioned you use around 1 spawn to 6 substrate, I’m just curious to know of that 1 spawn what ratio of grain to sawdust spawn? So, i guess another way to word it is what’s the ratio of grain to hardwood in your spawn bags? Or do you do some bags of pure hardwood spawn and some of pure grains? I’m currently setting up a little mushroom farm over here in Australia and growing oysters low tech, would be epic to be able to grow shiitake too! Thanks for sharing these videos man there are awesome!!!!

@5DLifestyles

2 жыл бұрын

Hello I really appreciate the kind words, and feedback. Here is a little cheat sheet of my mix. Play with it. I use sugarcane bagazo not hardwood cause its a material that I can get. Obviously its all heated with water so that weight is not included but with a little math could be figured out. My spawn blocks are made up of Sugarcane and bran, bran is at about a 20% ratio in spawn blocks. I am pretty sure I mentioned it but unlike Oyster you can put too much nitrogen supplementation. Just play with it, I'll be curious if hard wood works in pasteurized form. 4 tubs cane (55lbs dry weight, sugar cane) 1 6oz cal sulf 26 lbs wet weight spawn (Bagazo/bran spawn blocks) (I've done less, 20lbs will work). 14 lbs grain spawn (can go up into 20lb range, just play with it) 226.75 lbs final weight on 32blocks hope it helps thanks for comment.

@Michael-ic6vn

2 жыл бұрын

@@5DLifestyles Awesome, thanks. So you’re not using wheat grains or rye at all, just a mix of bran and sugar cane and then inoculating that with liquid culture? Really appreciate your response brother, would love to be able to fruit shiitake at the farm. How epic is this community!!!

Nice family! Thank you so much for the great video.

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear thank you so much for the comment.

Hi man, love your energy. That is wild, I've always wondered about pasteurization on other fungi. Also I'd like to contact you more personally. I'm mushroom grower from czechia.

@5DLifestyles

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel you can probably pasteurize almost anything...almost. I just think you need the ratio high and I think it helps to have sawdust spawn in mix for higher coverage.

@steveraman4562

4 жыл бұрын

hey my name steve i live munich germany can we come in to contact on shiitake thanks okaieurope@t-online.de

This is amazing. Of the 6 spawn blocks you use, does that include the 2 grain spawn ones? Or is it 8 bags total? Also, about how many pounds do you usually yield from one of your blocks on the first flush? Thanks for any info!

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Usually just 6 total, 4 sawdust and 2 grain. There are a lot of factors though, depending on how much grain spawn is in the sawdust spawn you can do less. Keep in mind freshly chipped wood or cane will have more nitrogen than chips that have sat. Record record record so you can dial in your right mixture. I was getting about 1lb to 1.5lb, a block. Unfortunately I currently don't have access to my pasteurization station so I am back to sterilizing until I get my space back, I'm using bigger bags and am getting more like 1.25 to 2lbs, but I think with these same big bags I could do the same with pasteurizing. Hope that helps thanks for the view and comment.

@Beinhartwie1chopper

2 жыл бұрын

@@5DLifestyles the thermophilic bacteria might help, so pasturization might actually be bettet thsn Sterilisation

I was amazed to learn that you can get a growing medium for shiitake with sugar cane, and more amazed to see you process sugar cane whole, could you comment on that?, because one way to reduce nitrogen content would be to mix whole sugar cane with extracted one....thanks

@5DLifestyles

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. When making this video my source of Baggasse was unavailable. Hence the way higher work load of cutting and chipping. I now have my baggasse from sugar mill and I supplement with grain. Way less work. Good results.

Hello sir , you are doing a great work. I found your videos so helpful in my shitake growing. But i am kind of new to this. I want to know whether i can use the substrate left after crushing the cane for juice? Getting hardwood is kind of expensive business but cane is easily avalaible here in my area.

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Yes definitely, great material. If its being just crushed to extract juice you'll want to use it somewhat quickly as there is still is residual sugar in it . If you get it from sugar mill, they usually get all sugar out so it can last a lot longer.

@digvijaysinghchauhan9101

3 жыл бұрын

@@5DLifestyles Thank sir. I just want to know is it bad if any of the sugar content remain in it? Will it ruin the batch??

@julianchoque7402

3 жыл бұрын

look for pdf in which there is a test made with susbtrate of extracted sugar cane, molasses and rice bran in brasil for the commercial prod of shiitake.

Thanks so much, man! You guys rock. Question: what is that wire mesh bag, that pulls your substrate out of the barrel, all about and how does procure such an item? Mahalo.

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you kind sir. Yeah I made that mesh basket out of mesh and wire, I just wove wire in and out to make cylinder and then cut out floor and wove in and out. Definitely could have one made that is better but its been working for years.

@NBarSMicrogreens

9 ай бұрын

​@5DLifestyles this was my exact thought seeing this video!

What are the white patches on each bag and what temperature and humidity do you need to have them flush?

@5DLifestyles

Жыл бұрын

Hello I just scanned video again to see which white patches you’re talking about. Are you talking about spawn block? White is mycelium which is the spawn that will colonize block and lead to mushrooms.

Hey can you tell me about that awesome stainless steel table did you build that yourself what are the sides made out of and are they welded to the stainless can you weld other metal to stainless

@5DLifestyles

4 жыл бұрын

Thin stainless on plywood. the lip is just wood with a pond liner material glued to it. You could bend the stainless and do the whole thing in stainless to avoid a seam.

@mattc4984

3 жыл бұрын

@@5DLifestyles Awesome. How big is that, previously celebrated table? ...and how much substrate can it handle? Thanks for all of this. May you and your crew enjoy the fruits of this good karmic sharing. :-)

U DA MAN

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

No you da man

Hi. Great Chanel! Dont you get contamination in bags when filling them up in this free environment and no masks on? Usually they use hepa filter in baging process. You havent had a problem with that?

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

I use HEPA when I STERILIZE substrate. The beauty of pasteurization is you can actually get away with a pretty open air space. It matters more the condition and cleanliness of substrate to be cooked than the actual environment to inoculate is what I have found. To take it a step further, this table was set up near the exhaust vent of the grow room behind it, most would frown on that as there is potential spore contamination, while its less than ideal I never noticed an issue due to that.

I’d like to give this method a try sometime. Do you pressure cook your grain/sawdust spawn? Could I get away with boiling it like they do with pf tek, I don’t have a pressure cooker. Can you help me with the math for smalles scale? If I want to make 2 5L bags at the end of all, how much sawdust do I need to pasturize and how much grain+ sawdust for spawns?

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

I pressure cook, and do have a pressure cooker and lab. And that is how I make my spawn. Yes my hope is that people can start doing shiitake on larger scale with-ought big PC as I know that is a huge limiting factor. Not super familiar with pf tek but if you can make spawn from it I'd say it would work. Also using kitchen top PC with syringe inoculation is another option.

Hi! We are from Argentina… thank you for sharing this information! How long does Browning take after the 3 or 4 days of incubation…? sorry if my English is not perfect 🙈

@5DLifestyles

Жыл бұрын

Awesome. I want to go to Argentina. Where? Sorry for super late response. Browning still takes a bit. They are ready for us to put in grow room at about 4weeks but we wait for 6weeks. We like a speckled brown not full brown. You can initiate fully white as well. I've noticed the sooner you put in room the bigger and fewer mushrooms. The longer you wait the more but smaller. Espero que este es claro si no me avisas.

@profunga4169

Жыл бұрын

@@5DLifestyles Thank you very much for the answer! We live in Salsipuedes, Provincia de Córdoba. We grow a lot of mushrooms here, in would be great to have you here! Please let us know when you are coming!

@5DLifestyles

Жыл бұрын

@@profunga4169 Sería genial ir a visitarte. Un día me voy a Argentina. Vivo ahora en Ecuador.

Can you give me a tip how to do it in straw or wood shavings? Also what are the things in the bags? Mycelium and ?

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

The spawn is mycelium on either sawdust or sugarcane. With two bags of grain spawn for supplementation. I personally haven't used straw or shavings with this method on Shiitake but bet it would work cane is s bit more woody so it will have a bit more umf than straw but I believe its possible. With shavings yiu need to watch on having too much air space.

Did I hear correctly? Did you say that it takes only few days to fully colonize? or was it few days less to colonize?

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Yes a few days to colonize. I'd say if you did oysters like this you could initiate them shortly after but with shiitake while they colonized the block in a few days, then they have to go through the blistering process and a little browning before I initiate to fruit.

Hi, thanks a lot for the video. can I use sawdust instead of sugar cane with this pasteurization method?

@5DLifestyles

2 жыл бұрын

not sure. Always wanted to try but never have. Have you by now?

@aaronrojas1456

2 жыл бұрын

@@5DLifestyles it works and ,mycelium keep colonizing :)

How much sugar can and where do you get it? I’ve been using my own from my years I it twice with a cheap mulcher then I dry it out till I’m ready to pasteurize

@5DLifestyles

4 жыл бұрын

I just would go fresh. Now I"m back to my supply with the waste from sugar plant. I would love to have my own though and get the sugar cane juice. I have a hook up with a local sugar mill and buy two tons at a time which lasts a bit.

nice work..but we didn't see the pins and growing stage..when u pick it?????? is there another vedio..showing the rest of this operation..??? i wanna see it when it become a mashroom😁

@5DLifestyles

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for kind words I hope this helps: Initiating Shiitake blocks: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKuF261mY6rYadI.html Harvesting Shiitakes: kzread.info/dash/bejne/i4uLs498fqnPl7g.html

So, I'm new to this. Question; why isnt there a high likelyhood of contamination when after pasteurization...the substrate goes on the large table in an open air room, and not a sterile clean room exactly? Does it have to do with the difference between pasteurizing vs sterilizing?

@jcrowviral

3 жыл бұрын

when you pasteurize you leave a large number of bacteria alive which makes it harder for competing bacteria to take hold, but because you are adding a nice amount of healthy spawn the mycelium is able to take over easily before any new competing bacteria can become dominant. The pasteurization process selects for good bacteria that may even support mycelial growth. you have to remember that mycelium normally grows in places where it must share nutrients with other microbes. the only time its really important to be sterile is during grain inoculation.

@abeNpdx

3 жыл бұрын

@@jcrowviral Super fascinating stuff 👍

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah Jared nailed it. I have sterilized substrate and tried to do something similar in open air and it contaminate quickly because of the lack of "good" bacteria, it gives too much of a clean slate. Not all mushrooms can be grown with pasteurization, usually its more aggressive mushrooms like Oysters. I am getting away with it because I'm putting so much spawn in and find that the sawdust spawn is really the trick as it is finer particles and I can get it to spread more, making it so the mycelium has to spread very little space to take the whole block. Thank you for watching!

If you seal the bag , there will be moisture inside, does it affect mycelium growth??

@5DLifestyles

Жыл бұрын

no you want some moisture. The mixing especially when hot helps things steam off and we drain out water both in basket and once it hits table it flows out to not be over saturated. They are definitely heavier than sterilized blocks. A bit more water content but its good. There is a big range there that works.

Dear bro peace from Israel Luv you channel! I have successfully made lots of grain spawn now i raised a tent to put on the fruiting bags I have access to lots of straw and sawdust will this be enough? or shouldi add anything else?

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you're ready to roll. I haven't done Shiitake on straw but I believe you can. Start with small batches and record a lot as Shiitake are super finicky with nitrogen levels. I gotta run but will leave more on topic in a. sec.

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry I had a meeting to get to. Not sure if your planning on doing Oyster or Shiitake. Straw is tried and true on Oyster but shiitake less so. I believe in this book they address using straw as substrate. Let me know how it goes! archive.org/details/MushroomGrowersHandbook2ShiitakeCultivation/mode/2up.

We're do u get your bags and do u modify?

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Unicorn or Stamets for spawn bags. For pasteurizing bags I recycle spawn bags or really any bag has worked and I either use 3M microporous tape or cotton balls stuffed in top for filter. I have designs for future reusable containers.

hey bro! could i use a grain to inoculate the substrate? and thank you so much for your efforts

@frankvanga310

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@hussienawad8403

3 жыл бұрын

@@frankvanga310 thank you so much sir but what size do you prefer to chop your size at . and if i can knwo what best shiitake strain that prefer to grow on sugar cane

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, although the issue would be. One way I get it to work is to get a really high ratio of spawn so it colonizes quick. If you tried to do it all with grain your nitrogen levels would be too high and shiitake doesn't like that. So they'd not fruit or get real weird and mututaty, should be a word spell check, so really it's a combo of sawdust spawn and grain spawn that has yielded me success but I bet you could get it to work. Have you tried? Success? Oyster on the other hand, grain spawn away.

@hussienawad8403

3 жыл бұрын

@@5DLifestyles it's been like dream to star my own shiitake farm and when i saw you using sugar cane i was so happy because it's ver cheap and available in my country am going to use 10-15% spawn rate and i hope it works , do you have any idea what is the perfect spawn rate? i really appreciate your help god bless you and your beautiful family

Whaat! On straw!! Would love to try this. You think it would work with cold water/lime pasteurisation?

@5DLifestyles

4 жыл бұрын

Sugar Cane bagazo, cross between straw and wood chips. No but I"m gearing up to get into the lime pasteurization. Have you done it?

@mattnsim

4 жыл бұрын

5D Lifestyles not shiitake, but I grow normal stuff like oysters on lime pasteurised method

@mattnsim

4 жыл бұрын

5D Lifestyles if I can assist in any way, let me know. 👌🏻

@davidcarter7174

3 жыл бұрын

@@5DLifestyles I think the lime would work with oysters but other species are set back by the high PH. it might be worth experimenting using high PH on agar plates to get the mycelium adjusted to a high PH environment.

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidcarter7174 interesting yes look forward to dabbling with lime pasteurization

Hi how do u sterilize back those bags? in PC?

@5DLifestyles

4 жыл бұрын

Yup lucky to have it. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZZ1ya-HdLzUfbQ.html

How long till the shitake grow?

Please help me .. I can't seem to keep my grain culture alive once it goes into bag of hard wood .. I am doing oysters

@5DLifestyles

Жыл бұрын

This is a very late response. How is it coming? Are you sterilizing or pasteurizing hardwood?

Can shiitake be grown in plastic tubs as plastic bags pollute.

@5DLifestyles

2 жыл бұрын

I am really working out a reusable container. Cause that is a bummer side of work.

How long it take from inoculation to fruiting for shitake mushroom for sugar cane substrate?

@5DLifestyles

4 жыл бұрын

I have fruited in 4 weeks but I usually wait 6-8weeks.

@saiful1402

4 жыл бұрын

@@5DLifestyles btw may i know what is the exact temp suitable for cultivate shitake? May we cultivate it on summer?

50%Mycologist 50%Viking 100%Stoked

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Hilarious.

What do u think ur ratio is grain spawn, spawn block to sugarcane

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

I used two blocks of grain spawn for all that substrate. Shiitake is so picky on nitrogen levels so you really have to factor in how much nitrogen is in your spawn blocks as well. Your trying to hit between 10-20% of end mix. I've def gone to high and two low over years. So key to keep notes and what's you find the perfect mix stick to it.

@roxby4x490

3 жыл бұрын

@@5DLifestyles awesome thank you

What species of shiitake are you using?

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

I should know for sure, kind of embarrassing to admit but I stopped recording strain. It is strain I got from Stamet’s course. I believe it’s called SJ-1.

I don't get how much chipped sugar cane is per Kg of sawdust spawn...can somebody help me?

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Hello, so I believe you wondering ratio. I'm not sure KG, that tank is about 55 gallons, probably a hair bigger. I usually get 30 "blocks" out of this tank. And I use 6 spawn blocks, so roughly your looking at 1block spawn to 5-6blocks worth of substrate, its a very high rate. I think you could do it at 1 to 7.5 I just haven't done it yet I am to scared. If your using Oyster spawn you can get a way with a 1spawn to 10final substrate ratio, you really could probably do even less of ratio if you wanted. Oyster is much more aggressive than shiitake. I hope this helps.

like your language as British style

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate, thank you!

I am from india it is really possible to make shiitake mushroom substrate using only sugercan please guide and make a video on shiitake mushrooms substrate.

@5DLifestyles

3 жыл бұрын

I will do more videos for sure on this subject. I use primarily Sugarcane as my substrate you just need to supplement with something with nitrogen. Usually people use bran. I am currently experimenting with using other plant sources, green branches and leaves, I want to grow beans for that reason...

buddy write the proportions of all the components of this substrate please

@5DLifestyles

2 жыл бұрын

Here is a little cheat sheet of my mix. Play with it. I use sugarcane bagazo not hardwood cause its a material that I can get. Obviously its all heated with water so that weight is not included but with a little math could be figured out. My spawn blocks are made up of Sugarcane and bran, bran is at about a 20% ratio in spawn blocks. I am pretty sure I mentioned it but unlike Oyster you can put too much nitrogen supplementation. Just play with it, I'll be curious if hard wood works in pasteurized form. 4 tubs cane (55lbs dry weight, sugar cane) 1 6oz cal sulf 26 lbs wet weight spawn (Bagazo/bran spawn blocks) (I've done less, 20lbs will work). 14 lbs grain spawn (can go up into 20lb range, just play with it) 226.75 lbs final weight on 32blocks

Hai

@5DLifestyles

Жыл бұрын

hello