in a society where social media has a stranglehold on the world, the book feels more relevant than ever. super interesting that it was written so long ago. as someone who isn’t well vested in academia, i’m currently stumbling through the book like a toddler that just learned how to walk, but found your conversation very helpful in clarifying & understanding some of the key points. thank you!

Just discovered the Rick Roderick videos that you posted from the "Self Under Siege" series. His lecture on Baudrillard is timely as ever.

Thanks for mentioning They Live as a helpful visual aid. Fight Club might have something to offer as well.

"In a world that really has been turned on its head, truth is a moment of falsehood." -guy debord

"The spectacle is the bad dream of modern society in chains, expressing nothing more than its wish to sleep. The spectacle is the guardian of that sleep." guy debord

Fantastic show, btw. Will help as much as I can.

Is an episode of a philosophy podcast about the society of spectacle itself part of the society of spectacle? Are we, the listeners, passively getting the experience of having a discussion about this stuff vicariously through you guys thereby putting off the troublesome work of doing it ourselves? (So meta.)

@seanbritt3475

5 жыл бұрын

watch the Radical Reviewer's review of The Society of the Spectacle. also, in episode one, they pointed out the section where Debord says his language of critiquing the spectacle could easily be used as a continuation of the spectacle if it doesn't lead to revolutionary action.

Brilliant ideas, keep these coming guys, you get me thinking, Something worth doing!!

In reference to “love me for WHO I am” does the critique change when the question is posed as “…all that I am” ?

Your closing statements are hillarious! Loved it! Good content! I am happy to celebrate this commodification of anti-commodification :)

I enjoy this kind of conversation, even when it goes astray, it just gives me food for thought. I dont know how much do you know about Marx and if is it allowed to mention him, but it seams to me that it could really help in this discussion, just to point out where Debora is just following him and where he is going beyond.

Thanks for the 'video' , maybe you can do a podcast about : denail of death, ernest becker or homo ludens , johan huizinga

You guys probably know him, but Christopher Lasch wrote an entire book on DeBord's concept of the machine eating it's own children. But he gave him no credit, lol. And Goya seemed pretty hip to it too,

@Finn959

5 жыл бұрын

Which lasch book?

Thank you 🙏

"An earlier stage in the economy's domination of social life entailed an obvious down-grading of being into having that left its stamp on all human endeavor." -guy debord

A line you gentlemen may enjoy, courtesy of Frankie Boyle: "Feel free to tweet your outrage on a phone made by a six-year-old."

Rowdy Roddy Piper references 😀

13:00 It makes me question if the guy read The Society of the Spectacle closely enough, because Debord actually critiques "socialists" and Utopianism, as well as the kind of behavior of people passively blaming everything on the system.

@christopherviscuso1882

3 жыл бұрын

1:00:13

If you accept that the self doesn’t exist than how can there be any authenticity at all? Doesn’t it just become a sea of experience and reactivity ? And by no means am I legitimatizing the post modern approach which reinforces the reaction and places it at the center of life’s orbit.

I think he would say mediated by algorithm

Like the episode. There is something that doesn't quite feel right about an episode on guy debord with a sponsor...🤔

One is allowed to like football and like teams and to like camaraderie and competition, but how can you look at the ways that it's destructive and not feel disgusted? this isn't a question of guilt, it's a question of responsibility and complacency once it's realized, which you guys really harped on when you started talking about personal burdens of freedom, so I know you've thought about it. If your answer is that to enjoy football, one must accept the machine, then it's that old snake the Spectacle talking. If we know poor children make our clothes, and are thus compelled to buy the brand that pays adults fair wages instead, we have dumped a gallon of fresh water into the polluted pond. We are acting for the Spectacle. If we turn to the next guy who is still buying the clothes from the poor-child labor, and ignore the material conditions of his life, the fact that he is also poor and cannot afford the expensive clothes made with "fair" wages, and we rebuke him for it, then we are acting for the Spectacle. If all things are equal, and if Debord, by critiquing the Spectacle and pointing out its existence is simply acting for the Spectacle, then there's nothing but inward wandering of the individual left to consider. And to think we simply need to just individually blow up means of production rather than collectively own/operate them, then you're a sociopath, not a socialist.

I wish these guys would just dispense with distracting levity and talk about the subject matter at hand. Other than that , it's pretty good stuff. If they would just stay on track this talk would be much better. I had to give this a "thumbs down" rating because of their foolishness and failure to stay on course.

@JOMARIN_

6 жыл бұрын

Matthew Jackson which podcast would you recommend on the subject? I’ve been trying to better understand the spectacle and all it’s implications

@copsarebastards

5 жыл бұрын

Nobody cares