Jeannie is the only one who is separating the crime from the celebrity

@liryclewis1852

5 жыл бұрын

Dolores Markoš A “crime” that Michael was acquitted for.

@rose2654

5 жыл бұрын

Actually, Jeannie is letting her personal experience lead her to want to immediately sympathize with the victims. (I mean that in the most sensitive way). The others seem to want to look for the facts.

@johnybipo6945

5 жыл бұрын

RoseGold 25 no, Jeannie is the only one that wants to look at the facts and not victim blame because of the celebrity.

@johnybipo6945

5 жыл бұрын

Liryc Lewis as a person of such stature or wealth, any crime can be acquitted with the right payment. Their parents possibly informed them to give up when they got the right amount of money and they realize now that it was wrong. Once an allegation is made, look into it and don't go victim blaming because of the past.

@liryclewis1852

5 жыл бұрын

Johny Bipo Well the documentary was far from factual 😩 I suggest you go and look into the victims. Especially wade. You’ll be very surprised by that you find . One documentary that is blatantly biased accusing a dead man who cannot defend himself isn’t convincing enough for me to make a judgment and say Michael is a pedo. Its not factual nor is it logical. But it was very calculated on their part. The man was stripped searched , investigated for 10 years by the FBI, investigated by child protection services and trialed by the court of law in which wade said under oath that Michael never did anything to him. That’s only the beginning. I think people are so quick to believe these things because of Michaels image . He was indeed a very powerful man and I’m sure many people did not like that either.

“I don’t think there’s a price on justice for my child” THANK YOU ADRIENNE!

Preach Jeanine, she seperating the celebrity status & the crime itself.

@niceeejoy5047

5 жыл бұрын

Not really true. She's putting her hurt and abuse on Michael.

@whtnymchll

5 жыл бұрын

she admits she didn’t even watch and hasn’t researched the history like Loni

@niceeejoy5047

5 жыл бұрын

@@whtnymchll exactly!!! Jeanie was a victim and felt unheard so whenever someone says they've been touched she automatically puts herself in the victim shoes and believes them without hearing the full story. She also deems the accused guilty because of her molester. Not everyone accused of molesting is guilty. We have to hear both sides.

@Veronique428

5 жыл бұрын

No she is not‼ She is the most biaised and oblivious one that's for sure 😤 😠 Regardless of this subject made us FEEL, JUSTICE MUST PREVAIL‼We must keep standing for the TRUTH AND FACTS, many people are blindly believe Wade Robinson but they don't research the TRUTH. Even though it is a very sensible subject, we cannot think every accusers are the victims, look what happen to Jussie Smollet stunt and scandal, now people whom believed in him had been taking for a FOOL 😅 So if we follow our feelings against following the TRUTH AND THE FACTS, like Jeannie did, then want us to do, we will once again put an innocent to jaill‼😤😢

@MajesticMyronn

5 жыл бұрын

niceee joy she said " let's not even focus on Michael right now" and took the time to talk about people who ACTUALLY do wait or are silenced til they are adult and are willing to put the pride aside and admit this is something I went through...OUR OWN PRESIDENT tweets things and victimizes people by saying " why did she wait so long "

I appreciate you ladies for really taking the time to look at all sides of the story. Loni spoke truth, you need to back to the FBI investigations, the evidence, everything they tried to pin against MJ, and how they found nothing in 1993 and 2005. The documentary is insanely one-sided, and the fact that some people are jumping on the bandwagon of "Cancel MJ" without really doing their research speaks volumes of today's society.

@Jess-ew3tm

5 жыл бұрын

^ i remember that!! btw we really need to support corey feldmen. i want him to spill all the beans. its already been exposed that Charlie Sheen molested Corey Haim :-/

@treshellsmith74

5 жыл бұрын

@@Jess-ew3tm wait what when that happened ?!

@Jess-ew3tm

5 жыл бұрын

@Treshell Smith a while back and no one even blinked when it was announced!! Crazy aint it :-/

@kelceynicole

5 жыл бұрын

i alwayssss say today's society is told when to think and how to feel! hardly no one does their own research anymore or have a mind of their own.

@mandm471

5 жыл бұрын

In 1993 they settled out of court for 25 million dollars.

I interview children regarding sexual abuse and kids can go years saying that nothing happened, and then disclose with evidence to support that disclosure. There have been fathers abusing their children’s friends without the father’s child knowing. Just because someone lives in the house doesn’t mean they know, or furthermore can accept, what may be happening.I hope that if the people in the documentary did experience any sexual abuse, they find peace and healing.

@kdbentley7942

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Loni is just making excuses and looking for something to discredit these accusations. She must just be real and out right say she does t believe it.

@TheCrucialQ

5 жыл бұрын

@@kdbentley7942 There allegations, and we should never accept as fact. They should be investigated whenever they are made, but remember anyone on that panel or just in the world can be falsely accused. We all should expect to have both sides told, before judgement is passed. I have relatives, who have been falsely accused and victims.

@rachelellis8056

5 жыл бұрын

well said :)

@kdbentley7942

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheCrucialQ my point isnt that the accusations are true (which I do believe 1 of the accusations is) my point is loni should have out right said she doesnt believe these accusations instead of beating around the Bush and saying she doesnt know what to believe.

@necabibi3558

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah and how many of their parents excepted money to shut up about it i wonder

It's really good you guys spoke about this these different perspectives were needed.

@appleheadslove7029

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's a disgrace to real victims. These ppl have been spotted lying 61 times and smirking. This subject is not funny. There making fun of real victims. Real victims have called them out on it

@leeshaunbrown9408

4 жыл бұрын

@@appleheadslove7029 That is so true real victims are now made disingenuous. The fact Micheal isn't even hear to defend himself against the allegations and was cancelled for a period of time because of it.

It’s very easy to misinform people about Michael Jackson today because 1. People may not remember all of what happened during the trials or 2. Some people were too young to even know what was going on for example me. In 2005 I was 9, I wasn’t paying Michael Jackson no mind. So all that to say it’s easy to persuade people into believing what’s happening now when a lot of people don’t know or remember what happened over 10 years ago. So Loni made a great point on looking at the trial he had in 2005.

@toptaemin1278

5 жыл бұрын

Preach

@maninedoow5895

5 жыл бұрын

Nicole McP same here. Of course his music is what I was paying attention to, but yeah. I was 9 in October 2005.

@treize1354

5 жыл бұрын

That trial was a joke ! Money made justice and the FBI lie.

@christinedennis4878

5 жыл бұрын

@@treize1354 LMFAO you like to make stuff up too? Tell us more oh wise one 🖕

@Kierrapov

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly.. I remember.. I researched it all because I was a fanactic and needed to know.

This situation seems very opportunistic to me. First he said that he wasn't a victim back in 2003 and now that Michael has been dead for 10 years, all of a sudden he changed his story? I'm sorry but I am going to take this with a grain of salt. America has always been known as the land of opportunities and with that clearly comes opportunistic people. The man cannot even defend himself at this point. What exactly are they hoping to accomplish with this?

So many people are acting like they knew Michael Jackson personally and his character. Unfortunately, we do not. We have no way of knowing what is or isn't true because we weren't there. But please don't be so quick to refute the accusations. I suggest researching how sexual assault victims behave. A lot of the accused's actions aren't necessarily out of the ordinary. Also, sleeping with children who are not your own? That's straight up weird. And it is unwise judgement to dismiss it as "That's just Michael." Either way, there are inconsistencies on both sides. We'll never truly know what happened. But Jeannie is right, this could help SA survivors.

@lxvor8225

5 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏 Well said.

I was molested by someone in church. He molested others too. We were shamed by the people who went to church with us. He was acquitted and died a free man.

@elaineboo5471

5 жыл бұрын

issamemariheaux so sorry this happened to you. This is why we need to hold people accountable no matter their race, religion or power.

@ingerjackson3809

5 жыл бұрын

💔

@baggergurl16

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t fully believe in God but what that man did to you he may have been able to get away with this in the eyes of man but if there is a God he won’t get away with answering before God why he did this.

@terrysangster229

5 жыл бұрын

He will answer to the big man in the sky. Very sorry this happened to you.

@leesteal4458

5 жыл бұрын

So sorry. Were you a child when it happened?

"First they kill you, then they kill your character" . R.i.P

@shakuradll117

5 жыл бұрын

this is the most heartbreaken comment i have seen about MJ. it is soooo true omg i cant

@theusersam

5 жыл бұрын

like MJ killed their soul.

@thehermitscove7942

5 жыл бұрын

Soul? Theyr alive with money and the bank and if he really felt like this, he should've brought up the jewelry, he received for sucking MJs Dick, in 03 when the trial was going on. And he still kept that? No amount of money would be worth ignorance for my child, I blame the parents.

@pnice0610

5 жыл бұрын

Facts

@cg2158

5 жыл бұрын

Lol foolish. MJ was obviously a pervert but money and tons of fame will get you away with a whole damn lot

“There is no price, for justice for my child” 👏🏿 Yes Adrianne, spoken like a true mother to be.

Im glad not allpeople turn their back on MJ :) I‘m just waiting for this all to be over. Same as back then when people turned their back on him but when he was proven innocent all of a sudden people loved him again...

I’m not a hugeeee fan of Michaels & obviously don’t know if these allegations are true or not, however I feel this doc should have been made years ago when he was alive.They can add anything to their story because he’s no longer here to tell his side.

@marinasantiago24

5 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍✌

@joses.m.43

5 жыл бұрын

I think the reason for this documentary being made today does not have to do with MJ being dead, it has to do with so many other people coming forward about being abused in Hollywood and actually seeing justice being served...

@zariagamble8718

5 жыл бұрын

Jose S.M. Or bc we live in hypersensitive society we’re if you cry wolf people would coming to your defense?

@KevenTalks

5 жыл бұрын

Sure but you do realize if what they're saying is true, it completely makes sense that they would feel more relief talking about this now that he's dead? If the most famous, celebrated entertainer of your lifetime abused you, I'm sure you'd be pretty intimidated about talking about it, especially while he was alive and still "relevant."

@manastati

5 жыл бұрын

Don’t you realize it was the goal ? Dismantle his reputation to dismantle Black reputation in the US. Soon, it will be Beyonce.

Leave this man alone. He’s dead and gone. They lied on this man so much for no reason. Let it go. Get the real monsters that are alive and well. Put them in jail!

@whatzupwitu

3 жыл бұрын

they lied for no reason but money 💰 😞 He’s gone but not forgotten

It saddens me that Adrienne instantly questions their validity by wanting to know if they were compensated- yet didn’t wonder the same for the R.Kelly’s victims? It also saddens me that so many bright, flashing, red signs alarming of Michael Jackson’s behavior are so easily looked over because “he just wasn’t like that.” It’s a classic case of it being hard to believe someone you love could do something so wrong. Just because it’s hard to believe, doesn’t mean it’s not true. I hope that they aren’t lying, and if they are that’s disgusting beyond belief. But I expected you ladies (except Jeannie) to be more open-minded about it and the possibility of it being true. Loni and Adrienne (my two favorites) just seemed to so one-sided.

@lisarussell5741

5 жыл бұрын

Alicia Moodie right! We believe all other victims of but MJ no way? I’m disappointed in Loni and Adrienne. A killer could seem nice to everyone a good dad etc. doesn’t mean he isn’t a killer.

@everything483

5 жыл бұрын

Just like the documentary was one sided.

@rose2654

5 жыл бұрын

Personally I think the accusers stories don’t add up and their claims are inconsistent which is why I don’t believe them. I think they want money and there’s a lot of reasoning as to why I think that. At the end of the day, Anyone that knew Michael says he was smart but childlike and had a naivety about him. Michael knew people thought the worst about him sleeping in the same bed as the children, but he didn’t understand why people automatically assumed it was of ill-intent. I feel like in some ways he never grew up, so he’d do things like water balloon fights, sleepovers, etc. which in our minds we automatically think why would he do that, but I think that was him compensating for missing out on those things as a child. I believe the only thing he’s guilty of his putting himself in the position to be accused of something like this. People aren’t just writing it off as he couldn’t have done it because he’s MJ (at least not all of us) but because the accusers got shady stuff going on that should be hard for people to ignore but they do it anyway because “I watched the documentary and it seemed very believable so I think MJ sexually abused them.” People are taking this documentary at face value and it’s not fair to Michael as he isn’t hear to defend himself so his only defense really is people actually looking at the facts to come to and informed conclusion. Nor should ppl automatically believe MJ. After doing my research, I’m convinced MJ is innocent.

@riceycup

5 жыл бұрын

I can't get passed the fact that you took the witness stand twice and said it didn't happen and now that he is dead you decide to sue the estate and the case is dismissed now you do the documentary and is in the process appealing your case against the estate. And yes I was a victim of molestation and I have trouble with story sorry not sorry.

@marieloria4597

5 жыл бұрын

Like Loni said she remembers what Jay Leno has said to her in the past during the first allegations and when Michael was on trial the woman was just trying to extort him (as she tried to extort other male celebrities) so that’s how they knew she was lying. Michael was found not guilty - and now that 10 years have passed these guys are just looking for money and recognition

"I wanna blame the MOTHERS!!!" "I want to know if their was compensation" "He had a monkey, he didn't have a childhood, he had giraffes, he was Michael" all these excuses, one after another, for a man in a bed , documented for over 15 yrs in the public eye...Loni & Adrienne, like so many are having cognitive dissonance. I grew up loving him, how could it be? It just can't be. Not Michael Jackson. It's because of so many people thinking the same way, wanting to turn a blind eye and continue making excuses for him that this ever happened at all. SOCIETY PUTTING PEOPLE ON PEDESTALS as if they are golden. We are all the same. The saddest thing with this whole thing is people would rather not feel like an idiot about being a fan and feeling duped for believing he was good than put themselves in THE VICTIMS positions and having true compassion for them, for being manipulated by that person we thought was good. Instead it's one rebuttal after the next. Like a trial. Look into their eyes girls. Eyes tell the story to the soul and all you have to do is look into these mens eyes when they tell their story and you know who is telling the truth. Just like you knew the girls' truth in the Rkelly doc. Michael was more precious and caring than Rkelly, so i wanna know if there was compensation. Cmon now. The message is clear in this conversation from Jeannie. BE SENSITIVE! We are strong. People that we never expect are monsters and the only way to grow is live through the truth strong together, not tread lightly with blinders on.

@portigoza

5 жыл бұрын

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@qCarlosp

5 жыл бұрын

Amen

@shantolion1576

5 жыл бұрын

First she blaims the mothers then saiys MJ dident do it. WELL HE DID

@neelington11

4 жыл бұрын

SAY MICHAEL! SAY ARGENTO! SAY LOVE I am not a MJ fan. I grew up with him but I always loved his sister’s music more than his. I never owned any of his music, not even the thriller album when it came out, nor do I now. So many people like to blame his defenders like you have, citing cognitive dissonance, blind love for the star, etc. I don’t know a single thinking human being who would throw a true CSA survivor under the rug in defense of their “idol”. Do you?? I can say hands down, I am not blinded by any adoration for Michael Jackson. I got a healthy curiosity about his guilt/innocence about 5 yrs ago. It started with a KZread search and by accident it turned into a rabbit hole that’s lasted 5 years. I read 7,000 pages of the ‘05 trial transcripts. I visited a popular hater site and soaked up as much as I could. I wanted the TRUTH. I had nothing to lose since he’s never been a person of interest to me. I can tell you that in my heart of hearts, after thousands of hours of research and video consumption, I fully believe he never ever harmed any child. You say you could see it in the eyes of wade and James. Are you aware of all the lies that have been uncovered to date? Their eyes are lying. If you watch the film again with an intellectual eye rather than an emotional one, you’ll see all the BS revealed right there WITHIN THE FILM. They say how MJ wanted to separate them from their parents, then show a vid of MJ to wade and he says to make sure to spend time with your parents/mother. I mean, these inconsistencies are constant in the film. They pretend MJ was seeking them out, then Wade’s own mother comes out and says things were different when they came to the states. They didn’t even see MJ for two weeks after they arrived. She told a story that it became obvious if anything was going to happen for wade, it was up to her. She called around and called around trying to reach MJ. Left messages with various people in MJs camp, etc. I mean, you can’t make this crap up. It is ALL right there in the film. Contradictions on every turn. Not to mention they all have depositions available to the public that completely contradict all the stuff they said 8n the film. Such a joke to be honest. I hope you’ll reconsider your stance. When you’ve put in the hours I have, you’ll look at people such as yourself and think, what a tragedy that there are still people who think he is guilty and how it clearly has nothing at all to do with cognitive dissonance or idolatry. It’s research and facts. Maybe someday you’ll afford yourself the time to really dig deep into the cases.

So when serial killers don’t murder their family does that then not make them killers? Loni? Just Bc his kids weren’t molested by him doesn’t mean he didn’t do it. R. Kelly didn’t do anything to his daughter...doesn’t mean he didn’t do stuff to other ppls daughters. Just Bc you don’t wanna believe it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Some ppl only come forward when the accuser passes. They can’t be said for a lot of things.

@maninedoow5895

5 жыл бұрын

Lisa Russell but my is still innocent

@ririlove9715

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Lonie 😒

@shannaMG84

5 жыл бұрын

But just because these guys are saying this doesn't make MJ guilty either.

@Queendani79

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think that's what she saying. I think Lonnie is saying that if this stuff was happening don't you think the kids would know because they were consistently with their father or around their dad? I think what Lonnie is saying is let's say he indeed had sleepovers with these boys those other kids were there they would have saw something they would have heard something they would have felt something, which means, HOPEFULLY they would have said something. And I also agree with what Lonnie had said she wasn't there so she doesn't know.. why is this documentary coming out after he's dead and gone ,and it's just very messed up that being an Entertainer or in the entertainment business when something comes out bad you have the public scrutinizing you without facts .this is a one-sided documentary and of course tons of people are going to believe these little kids that are no men.. it's sad of course you want to believe something like this but it's very hard for a lot of people in a lot of his fans because again people will do anything to get in the spotlight they will do anything for a buck it's very difficult. And to judge a person for me, without know FACTS, it's very hard

@infinity-gn9xq

4 жыл бұрын

Wen 30 women accused a guy, everyone is like oh you took the job Or took the money so shut up now..or why accuse this late. .. Now that men are talking, we need to believe them just because...??

I feel like this day and age, we have thrown away pure common sense and celebrity worship is real clearly. I will never just sweep a grown man sleeping in the bed with kids and having sleepovers as " That's just Mike". No! Its unacceptable and inappropriate. That is problematic and it is the reason that he had room to be inappropriate with children for so many years. WE allowed it. The same manipulation those kids were under, is the same spell that most of the fans are under. If we placed the details of what we know about Mike on anyone else, we would be calling for justice. People all over the world don't have a childhood and I would be leary of any man or woman that says they want kids in their bed. Bottom line is NOBODY knows Mike except those who were around him. All we know of him and every other celebrity is they image.It is not normal. Whether you believe the guys or not, something was not right at all about his relationship with kids period. People keep saying they testified. Are we going to act like, regular everyday people never tell on their abusers, until the person dies or when they get enough therapy to get through the trauma? People can change their story everyday, Latoya did.... just sayin

@wasongabeatrice

5 жыл бұрын

well articulated

@PaulineBonsu

5 жыл бұрын

You are missing thr point. Why is it when people say bed it automatically leads to sex. MJ shared bed with not random kids as Wade Robson was a family friend he dated MJ's neice. MJ stated he would sleep on the floor and let kids sleep in the bed. If you are sharing a bed with a child why does it automatically mean sex it's just a bed to sleep on

@PaulineBonsu

5 жыл бұрын

I'm also disgusted that people are discussing a dead man's personal life that has been largely fabricated by opportunitst like Wade for money. He was rejected a dance job and used it as anger towards the estate to make money. He tried to write a book no one would publish it. He keeps changing his stories and once upon a time he wanted to take part in Michael Jackson's tribute shows in 2009 & 2010. The guy his dead just let him rest. Let the good for young. The media and the false accusers who have proven to have lied for money should be very very ashamed of themselves. The truth is slowly coming out and people will start realising soon.

@BbGun-lw5vi

5 жыл бұрын

Beauty Unraveled Thank you for saying THIS! Everyone has truly thrown away common sense!

@BeautyUnraveled

5 жыл бұрын

@@PaulineBonsu Ok, let's take wades name out of it.. What about Jimmy? Everyone keeps using wade to discredit, but have not mentioned Jimmy. Did you watch the documentary?

THANK YOU LONI AND ADRIENNE FOR SEEING PAST THE SMOKE. 👏🏼👏🏼

Never been a mj fan but those ppl drug him through the dirt for money plain and simple. He was too loving to fight back.

@kamiaperez8807

4 жыл бұрын

@Eriss R. He shared the bed, as in He slept on the floor while the kids (both boys and girls) were sleeping on the bed. That's what I know. So plz don't come at me GOODBYE

@a.k.a.theruggedmanchild9685

4 жыл бұрын

@Eriss R. even though he slept on the fucking floor

@mrexecutive

4 жыл бұрын

Eriss R. bitch, stfu

@sarthoujuliannerosem.1357

3 жыл бұрын

@Eriss R. He did not hide it he was very open about it becouse he had nothing to hide and there were plenty of kids who slept in his bed boys and girls at the same time while he slept on the floor.the problem is no one in the media mention that becouse they want to paint a very bad picture of him.

@sarthoujuliannerosem.1357

3 жыл бұрын

@Eriss R. Its not called grooming if the victims them selves are the one who desperatly beg for his attention the boy even get mad when michael did not reach out to him the parent are the one who keeps on sending picture of the boy so michael wont forget.

Loni look bomb with these bangs 😍

The bottom line is people hate to believe that talented people in the industry can commit such terrible crimes. Just imagine if something like this happened to you and the whole world didn't believe you because the predator was famous and sang well.

@jmichelle979

5 жыл бұрын

@@goofaccount it will never add up to people because we're talking about MICHAEL JACKSON. What grown man do you know sleeps in the bed with young children that he has no relation to???? That doesn't sound concerning? And we're supposed to believe NOTHING ever happened but he just enjoyed the company of young children in his bed? Nah

@andreakae4211

5 жыл бұрын

It’s not because he’s famous that people don’t believe it. It’s because the facts don’t add up with the stories. The facts point to his innocence.

@treize1354

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly ! It's horrible to say those guys are liars. Clearly they're telling the truth, people are so blinded by fame, as if famous people were gods and unable to do harm. So stupid !

@andreakae4211

5 жыл бұрын

Treize 13 read my previous comment. It has nothing to do with fame except for the fact that because he’s famous, people have had the chance to read about his trial, his accusers, and his personality. Additionally, because wade is somewhat famous, his words are also immortalized in video and in the book in which he chose to participate in fawning praise for Michael. You’re willfully being manipulated.

@writerspen010

5 жыл бұрын

Preach!

Loni and Adrienne are so unsympathetic. Makes me not wanna watch this show. Much love to Jeanie and Tamara who focused more on victims and not giving opinions on MJs guilt or innocence.

@Jess-ew3tm

5 жыл бұрын

They were trying to showcase ALL sides thats why. Jeannie and Tam were just talking about sexual abuse victims in general.

@zariagamble8718

5 жыл бұрын

You do realize if Micheal is innocent that melas him a victim of false accusations right?

@maninedoow5895

5 жыл бұрын

Lisa Russell ??

@Veronique428

5 жыл бұрын

No Jeannie is the most biaised and oblivious one that's for sure‼ Regardless of this subject made us FEEL, JUSTICE MUST PREVAIL‼We must keep standing for the TRUTH AND FACTS, many people are blindly believe Wade Robinson but they don't research the TRUTH. Even though it is a very sensible subject, we cannot think every accusers are the victims, look what happen to Jussie Smollet stunt and scandal, now people whom believed in him had been taking for a FOOL 😅 So if we follow our feelings against following the TRUTH AND THE FACTS, like Jeannie did, then want us to do, we will once again put an innocent to jaill‼😤😢

@pinkgirl5790

5 жыл бұрын

Victims my black ads, Wade and James are criminals and you fools are believing them

It wasn't a documentary.. it was a film.. a documentary is something that provides evidence or a factual report..in this film two guys were just sitting nd telling a story.. there wasn't any piece of evidence that can prove Michael is guilty... NOT A SINGLE PIECE.. people should do enough research and then make any decision..

@jazminejackson3565

5 жыл бұрын

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Thank you for teaching the difference.

@soniadam170

5 жыл бұрын

@@jazminejackson3565 ✌️👑🙂

@amandazen4852

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I did my research. And it hurts what they did to this loving human being. The truth is already known. The acusers will be ashamed. The documentary did not do what they hoped with this propaganda attempt. They will crawl back under the rock they came from.

@ben3d3ttadollasign12

4 жыл бұрын

And they was laughing 2

@laracahow6303

4 жыл бұрын

Did u even watch it lol

i find it weird how much they were trying to find a way around believing these allegations but never did this with any other sexual abuse allegations and it's interesting that the first time they've done this was when the accuser(s) were men.

I was 28 when I finally told someone about my abuse. My mother asked and I said no. I was afraid and blamed myself. If we put anyone else in the position of sleeping in the same bed with children I think opinions on the subject would be different.

This segment made me really upset. Jeannie is the only one that got it. Sexual abuse is a difficult thing to talk about. You can’t tell someone how to process what happened to them. Just like it took Jeannie until she was 30 to admit it, it could be the case for these men now. They are finally ready. And the fact that he’s dead has no bearing on whether these men get to tell their story. It’s THEIR story to tell. Period.

At this point I can’t just flip a switch and all of sudden say Michael did this... I have questions because those allegations that came out YEEEARS when MJ was still alive... and for me to see that some of the people “ accusing “ him looked up to him and even after he passed , still did tributes even though he “ hurt them “ thats crazy and hurtful to me because you’d rather do anything for money than be a stand up guy and try to do the documentary from a point of view where he is on MJ’s side! But I guess money speaks louder than a pure & honest heart

@KokomoGreenberg

5 жыл бұрын

They were not paid

@madelenCarlson3834

5 жыл бұрын

@@KokomoGreenberg They were offered money for the interviews after the docu, so yes they were, the "producer" claims he never paid them, that doesn't make it true, if he admitted otherwise it would only belittle the narrative he's trying to sell to the public, and maybe he never payed "them" but I'm pretty sure that their account, or their fanilymemenbers personal accountbalance wasn't bad right before the docu aired, even tho at least one family struggled economically,so why wouldn't he ask for money for selling the same story he could get 200k for a decade ago, when he's in need of money? Im talking abt Wade, his story changes & shows up in the media everytime he looses a gig or is short of money. Even his psychologist don't believe him, who Wade went to weeks before making the 1st allegation in 2011 infront of a camera for money, but not the psychologist, who said he suffered depression from work related issues, which happened a few years earlier, they never suspected child molestation or physical assault at all. He was a showbiz child & testified in MJ's defense against Arvizo in the 2003 allegations & 2005-2006 trial, he was a young adult nearing mid-20s at the time...He also made a lot of claims in 2011/2014 his testimony against the Jackson estate,but also public that was proven false. Now he claims he lied under oath & that he even fooled his own family, he's not a reliable source, what seems more likely: that he lied and fooled his own family under oath at 23, or now when he changes his story multiple times, is a proven liar, tried to drop a book (which no one wanted) and sue the estate when he couldn't Choreograph for circus DE soleil in 2010 (which is a tribute show for mj) also has a history of depression connected to his work in the biz, and the fact that Mj is dead and can't refute any claims publicly or in court and the fact that it's mj 10th death anniversary so the media focus and fan attention would be greater than it's ever been or will be & the fact that Janet Jackson was dropping a new album.... To be a sexual abuse victim, but totally disregard the mental health of MJ's 3 children, who they knew, specially considering Paris Jackson was sexually abused by a stranger, why would they be so inconsiderate a promote a public lynching instead of telling their families in private and sue in private, wait they did, and the case was thrown out of court bc they lied...So they tried this instead for money/fame...The fact that they would use the media and death anniversary and totally belittle the family proves they have no conscious for kids of physical or sexual abuse or their families.. They wanted money and they needed to sell their story to get it, ofc Wade already claims he fooled his own family in public court to refute his own claim of never being sexually molested by MJ, so he's already proven a good liar and actor, if that was true...he's a sociopath, and even his own psychologist don't believe him...

@KokomoGreenberg

5 жыл бұрын

@@madelenCarlson3834Why are you trying so hard to convince people of MJ's innocence? You memorized all these facts that are public knowledge for years anyone could read any time, so what? It doesn't prove anything about what went on between two people in a room alone. So you either believe the victims or you don't. You don't believe them, and then you wrote a 45 min response of things everyone already knows and has know for years to prove what? Your better than other people? Your not. You just think you know a celebrity. You don't.

@olasikora3844

3 жыл бұрын

@@KokomoGreenberg she's better than you because she separates "your" and "you're"

Idk what happened because I wasn't there but I agree with Loni that it's very one sided

I'm not completely sure of Michael's innocence. But I 100% believe Wade is damn liar.

@AfroAngola

5 жыл бұрын

Speak truth to power 👊🏾

@thelifeuchoose

5 жыл бұрын

Truth

@ciaranf2005

5 жыл бұрын

Truth!!!!!!

@ananthram8930

5 жыл бұрын

I second it...his late realisation...and when oprah asked him on his exact period in his life of realising the alleged acts as wrong,he couldn't give a convincing and specific reply....

@ItsMe-qb6gl

5 жыл бұрын

BrownBeauty XOXO if he’s a liar, then he deserves an Academy Award for his performance. Watch the documentary to the end and then tell me he’s a liar. It was absolutely heart wrenching to watch.

Thank you Loni for always being the voice of reason

@dlcrme

5 жыл бұрын

More like the voice of one-sided stupidity

@jenalma6280

5 жыл бұрын

@@dlcrme she always looks at all sides. So you must not be listening correctly

You can tell Loni had her mind made up before any of this. She speaks for a lot of people, for sure, but Occam‘s razor points to something happening.

@andreakae4211

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it points to the fact that Michael was generous to a fault and attracted opportunistic grifters.

THANK U ADRIENNE for addressing how that family took $25m instead of pursuing “justice” everything about the allegations around MJ just seems like it was about money

I can't even imagine what Michael's family must be going through at this time...yall, LET THE MAN REST!

@KokomoGreenberg

5 жыл бұрын

Watch the doc

@kristenknight9985

5 жыл бұрын

@@KokomoGreenberg I`m good

@madelenCarlson3834

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, MJ dead, this documentary does nothing to actually prove guilt or innocence, but creates another public lynching for ratings and money, they don't care abt sexual abuse victims, they don't even care abt the mental health of MJ's kids which they watched grow up as teenagers and young adults, and take no consideration of what they've already been through and the fact that Paris Jackson is a sexual assault victim herself, if the motive isn't money and fame, why do this after MJ's death, in the public eye knowing the media and how social media now works, and claiming they care for other victims but disregards Paris J. Mental health,who they knew personally....?!! They've been proven liars & they show that they don't care abt sexual assault victims at all, the documentary made millions of dollars the 1st weekend and they donated nothing to help relive sexual assault victims. All they did was put up the American hotline crises center for sexual assault, although they made money showing the documentary even multiple countries...

@kristenknight9985

5 жыл бұрын

@@madelenCarlson3834 I completely agree!

@ririlove9715

5 жыл бұрын

If MJ sexually abused me or anyone I loved I wouldn’t let him Rest In Peace either. Not saying he’s guilty but just because he’s dead don’t mean the people that was “sexually abused” don’t deserve justice or peace. People love MJ but what if the accusations are true and no one believed the “victims”. We can’t dismiss that. I’m not saying MJ is guilty but there is definitely something goin on and needs further investigation. Not saying the FBI didn’t do their jobs but maybe they didn’t? Or maybe they were MJ fans, or maybe they simply just missed the evidence we don’t know. Again I’m not going to say MJ is guilty but definitely not dismissing this that easily. I grew up watching MJ my whole family loooooves him! But having a child of my own also opened my eyes. No matter who you are even if no one believes me or my child I’ll fight till the end. Maybe some people can be paid off but hell no am I taking a “pedophiles” money.

People keep saying let him Rest In Peace but his victims need to live in peace.

@mundaneamazing

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. Yes. Yes. Exactly!

@Shewas-kathybates

5 жыл бұрын

alleged haven't we learned from Smollette to wait for all the facts?

@theelolicious9302

5 жыл бұрын

Wayne Tagoe what do you mean until proven otherwise?? these men are all proven liars and michael was proven innocent so what now ?!

@rudeboythraxx449

5 жыл бұрын

@@waynetagoe4360 Beyonce molested me when I was 12... You have to believe me cause like you said "you always going to side with the victims". No, I don't have proof or any evidence whatsoever BUT just believe me anyway.

@victormayorga5539

5 жыл бұрын

Wayne Tagoe yes! Sometimes it takes years for abused children or adults to come to terms with what happened. They didn’t see it as abuse then but now they know as grown adults what MJ did was take advantage & hurt them.

Loni, a documentary is coming. Taj is planning to refute this once and for all

@alexandrahazuchova917

5 жыл бұрын

Really? Thats good news cause I wanna know the real truth no matter if its bad or good

@Jess-ew3tm

5 жыл бұрын

Is he really?!? yaaaaass!!!

@omololamofoluso8941

5 жыл бұрын

@@alexandrahazuchova917 can't wait....its about time too! they need to put this down once and for all

@Quinton_Phambam

5 жыл бұрын

Alexandra Hazuchová the truth is already out there, on public record! Michael Jackson was, is and always will be innocent. 10 year secret FBI investigation, raided homes, wire tappings, having the media against him yet not one ounce of evidence has been uncovered. Hence why he was cleared on all counts in 2005,

@alexandrahazuchova917

5 жыл бұрын

@@Quinton_Phambam thats what i believe as well but I think that a documentary from both sides and with every information should definitely be made. So that the public knows the facts not just one sided (very problematic) story

Bless Loni for coming with the FACTS.

It’s been 18 years and I’ve only had the courage to tell my sisters last year. I feel disgusted and ashamed of what happened to me from such a close relative that my family loved so much. If they were abused it’s a shame it had to be Michael Jackson who is a legend.

I love how real Loni gets. I think it’s important to look at facts and behavior. She’s not trying to say that nothing happened. She is trying to say let’s find out what really happened.

Also let’s stop judging these accusers by their past actions and denials because you have no idea what the trauma of sexual abuse does to you. They allege that he was manipulative, gained their trust and made them feel like he was the only person who cared about them. I don’t think it’s crazy that part of them still cared about him when he died.

@beyoncemuslim9374

5 жыл бұрын

No we are not going to stop because what hey are saying is wrong and we need the truth #MJSTRONG

@twentysvn

5 жыл бұрын

Beyonce Muslim how old were you when this was even in the news in 1999? 🙄

@beyoncemuslim9374

5 жыл бұрын

@@twentysvn why does that matter its my opinion so stop the hate ok

@twentysvn

5 жыл бұрын

Beyonce Muslim because if you were cognitive and aware enough of what was going on ... this isn’t surprising. If you’re some kid commenting on something because it’s a trending topic, you probably don’t have all the facts. I suggest everyone read all of the available information and do the research. Again, regardless of any sexual misconduct, these men were put in situations they should’ve never been allowed in and MJ’s behavior was not normal and someone should’ve done something.

@beyoncemuslim9374

5 жыл бұрын

@@twentysvn stop being so mean for your info Iam a big fan of Mj by the way i do have all my facts thank you very much oh and by the way I'm a teen that loves michael!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s mind blowing his Loni defends child rapists seriously R.Kelly, Michael, and there was one more when these man are so extremely powerful o can’t understand there’s ppl backing them up

@luvubghed

5 жыл бұрын

I dont think shes defending them, but shes looking at the adults when these events took place. As a mother, I would never allow my children to sleep in someone else’s bed or go with a grown man or woman who is not a relative. With R Kelly there were many factual things about him sleeping with underage girls and although some lied, what parent would find that acceptable to have a 15 year old girl in private with a 30+ grown man, the parents failed the children in both allegations. The difference between MJ and R Kelly was R Kelly had heard evidence of the disgusting things done and MJ was accused of molestation but found not guilty now all of a sudden these docs are going out with R Kelly etc, now those same people that said no he didnt touch me is now saying he did and the man is dead.. if he did anything its wrong but to bring that to the generally public after it was brought forth already.. sounds like they are trying to get money.

@maninedoow5895

5 жыл бұрын

c4arla stfu

@c4arla

5 жыл бұрын

Iman Wooden never

@jenesisjene6343

5 жыл бұрын

c4arla who did R Kelley rape? Let’s not change what happened. Nobody has ever said R Kelly raped anyone. Manipulated and been sick, maybe yes, but raped...NO.

I really enjoyed how insightful everyone's comments were. They didn't just see one side but took to placing all elements on the table and then explaining the pros and cons

His own sister Latoya Jackson came out in multiple interviews saying he's interested in young boys. If that's not closer to the truth, I don't know what is...

@PaulineBonsu

5 жыл бұрын

It wasn't her saying she was abused by her then husband at the time and forced her to say it, threatened to kill her. She then later admitted this on big brother u.k and went to court with Michael to defend. They are just recycling old news

@nailakamana763

5 жыл бұрын

No she was forced to say that by her abusive husband who was in a high power position. He threatned to kill MJ and Janet.

@PaulineBonsu

5 жыл бұрын

@@nailakamana763 yes something similar to that

@nyreefeijoo935

5 жыл бұрын

@@PaulineBonsu Apparently, the reason why she never said anything again was to be accepted by her family again. But there was 100% abuse in that family. MJ has said it himself.

@PaulineBonsu

5 жыл бұрын

@@nyreefeijoo935 you can say all you want within the family but I have done extensive research and I can tell you now Wade Robson is a filthy liar and he is lying. Michael is innocent this is a race issue on Michael kzread.info/dash/bejne/inqm29KNiszbo6g.html

A family member of mine was abused by her father, and she told no one about it. In fact, she maintained a relationship with him and had him in her kids' life and always spoke highly of him. It wasn't until she got Alzeimer's and could no longer control what she said that she blurted it out and the family found out. Never underestimate the lengths victims will go to to cover up the shame of abuse.

This is for the people that keep commenting “he’s not here to defend hisself” So since he isn’t here alleged victims have no say so in their experience? So not only do alleged victims have to struggle telling their parents/friends/associates about being raped. Not only do they have to worry about backlash. Not only do they have to have PROOF for the judgment and to convince fans. Not only do they have to go through a lot of mental hardships from the trauma. But HOLD UP here’s the big one....they gotta hurry up and get through all those troubles before their rapists dies?! Because the alleged rapist is dead now and the alleged victims experience holds no power anymore. REALLY PEOPLE?!?!? I feel sorry for alleged victims they have a lot to go through before feeling whole and heard.

@treize1354

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly ! I feel so bad for Wade, James, Chandler, and all the others. If Michael's not here to defend himself, franckly, I don't give a damn ! Where were the defenders of those abused children when Michael was sticking his disgusting dick down their anus !?!?!?!? Pedophiles should be tortured before killed. I have no sympathy whatsoever for a pedophile, so I have no sympathy for Michael, and I don't care if he was "the king of pop". F*ck it !

@samanthasly9215

5 жыл бұрын

exactly!!! lets say he was alive...we know what he would say.. "i didnt do it" ok and? We are still in the same place. i believe the victims. OJ got off.....but he did it.

Don't automatically say that the victims are lying just bc it's MJ,that's biased and that's why many people struggle to talk about their experience. He's dead so we'll never know therefore I'll remain neutral.

well let God give Michael Jackson the justice that he deserves. It's pointless to me saying stuff now cuz first of all, he aint alive and second of all, it's too late to be talking about it publicly (even if it did happend).

@gargidas1880

5 жыл бұрын

How can you ACTUALLY say that?! It's never to late to talk about sexual abuse as a kid. Imagine the same happening to a woman..the whole world would be on fire. Now that they're male victins, it's somehow pointless to talk about?

@tiarrajohnson8500

5 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. It’s too late when the person is not alive anymore.

@yahainHotPink

5 жыл бұрын

👍 Agreed

@aranielleb7718

5 жыл бұрын

That's shy he suffered before he died.. Karma worked

@Shewas-kathybates

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think its too late to speak out but. you're right, Gods dealt him his justice

Just because a rapist didn’t rape you doesn’t mean that he didn’t rape other people.

HE SLEPT IN BEDS WITH KIDS. Had bells in hallways to warn him for when people came. Had bedrooms all around his neverland. Told the kids they would be arrested if they told anyone. The kids fell in love with him, he was their idol, he groomed them. I don't see why it's so hard to believe.

Now that he’s a father..., he needs some money.

Loni just seems in denial the whole time like she stayed defending the whole time

@Mansi-py6qf

2 жыл бұрын

Because she searched the truth not just believing in the one sided mokumentary!

Let's not forget that there were two men in this documentary sharing their 'truths'. And whatever inconsistencies there was in that Wade guys story. Not one of you guys said anything about James. None of us knew Michael and so we can't account for his personality and the type of person he was behind closed doors. A lot of people are not who they make themselves out to be. There are truths to this.

@wasongabeatrice

5 жыл бұрын

People are quick to dismiss Wade cz he is the popular one out of the two and had close relations with Michael way longer. and who wants the title of "sex abuse victim? no one in their right mind.

@DimePiece468

5 жыл бұрын

It’s easier to poke holes in Wade’s story because he is more of a public figure and had a relationship with the Jackson family. Safechuck, while not as inconsistent as Wade, has also made false statements. But most people won’t recognize that unless they are closely following the story. Abuse victims have the right to be heard, but anyone being accused of something has the right to defend themselves. That doesn’t only apply to Michael, it’s anyone. That’s why court cases are decided by a jury after hearing from the prosecution and defense. It’s not shaming a victim to layout the facts and then let people decide. Not all the facts would be in Michael’s favor either.

@Delicieuxable

5 жыл бұрын

@@DimePiece468 And that's fair but not the issue here. They are speaking their ' truths' and what happened to them. Any inconsistencies are holes than can be poked, are nothing we as individuals can prove for ourselves. So it's asinine to completely dismiss things these men are saying. There is still an estate that can back up Michael if they choose to and they have in some way. He's not just some person that has 'no voice'. If we were to take who the accuser was out of this equation this would be a whole other story.

@DimePiece468

5 жыл бұрын

Delicieuxable That may be true for other people but not me. My statement is not holes in their stories regarding their relationship with Michael. It’s because the documentary allows them to say things like Michael begged me to testify and I refused, when it turns out people who worked on the case said that’s not true. He was never asked to testify. My problem isn’t that they are allowed to have a voice it’s that the documentary allows them to misrepresent the information to make their stories more believable. Everyone involved has a vested interest in this being a success so they sacrificed certain elements to make it so. Even the R. Kelly doc presented facts. And, yes, the estate has money and power, but you can’t defame a dead person so they can’t pursue that legal avenue. The director knows that.

@bettywilliams9633

5 жыл бұрын

Atm think he's guilty.

Loni and Adrienne, I am so disappointed in you. If you had kids you wouldn't doubt these accusations

@BENYJOSE1

5 жыл бұрын

Rational people doubt and question everything.

@refentseroxanne

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly !! A child would NEVER lie about this.

Idk, I havent seen the documentary, idk all the facts, but whenever someone comes out with sexual assault allegations, I dont automatically assume they're fake. It's so difficult for people to come out and admit they were sexually assaulted or molested. And ok if he's dead, that doesn't mean they shouldn't come out. Maybe they waited until hes dead because they didnt have the courage to do it when he was alive.

I’m glad they talked about this. It wasn’t one sided and they explained every side of the story on each level. Made me think a bit about how people don’t think critically when it comes to these cases

...... couldn’t we argue that if MJ was innocent he wouldn’t have wanted to settle and want to move forward with everything to prove and clear his name? Let’s think about that. I feel for and send love to Jeanie 💜

@sweetestlovemaria2984

5 жыл бұрын

Why risk going to jail when you have money to just pay them off. their are a lot of innocent people in jail.

@alex1462

5 жыл бұрын

Apparently, he didn't want to settle. His team settled because they didn't want to stop his tour and money flow, and he was very upset about it.

@Jess-ew3tm

5 жыл бұрын

apparently his team settled......just like how they forced him to do the "This is it" tour which he ("mysteriously" passed away before he got the chance to do it. They convinced him that touring would help pay off everything that needed to be paid off. Michaels security guards speak about this on that lifetime movie they did about mike not to long ago. Also in one of their books

@zariagamble8718

5 жыл бұрын

If you knew you could make that money back and then some in one show you might settle too

@FactualGenius

3 жыл бұрын

Would you settle a case that would take you months and months of court time of the settlement is $20???? If you answer yes than you shouldn't ask that question if you answer no then you love hassles and you don't value your time.

Just because his children's story never changed does not mean it didn't happen. My sister and I were molested by our stepfather for years and no one knew anything until i said something when i was 25, my step sister, his own daughter had no idea and she lived with us the whole time.

Adrienne’s claims are just wild. Receiving financial compensation is somehow proof of lying?? No, it just means you want whatever redress you can for the suffering you’ve been through. If you are not able to be successful in a criminal case and no you won’t be believed by Michael’s many worshipers, you take whatever you can get. That’s like saying a family that accepts money when their child is murdered by a police officer proves they never cared about their son or that it negates their pain.

I'm really glad you guys are talking about this. This whole thing gives me a headache. I'm not on the so called "Cancel MJ" bandwagon and will not allow a one sided documentary to demonize my thoughts about my childhood musical idol. I MIGHT try to muster up the courage and put aside my anger and frustration to watch the series just to hear them out and whether or not their credibility stands, but after reading tons of articles on it, I will be skeptical of anything these alleged victims have to say, and I'm not sorry to say that.

So loni's saying she doesn't trust any of her Co hosts & friends? ...because they' ve never been to her home

@camilleb32

5 жыл бұрын

It sounds like that to me too... I guess we'll see how that unfolds in time... Chiiiillllle!!!😐👀

@raayden6125

5 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing

Ugh... Rest In Peace, MJ.

I see Jeannie,s point because I didn’t say nothing until I was 30.My family member isn’t famous look how long it took me.Like she said you’ll gotta separate him from his fame.Thats everyone problem.Receiving backlash is another thing that could’ve scared them boys against someone who popular.Just because they testified you don’t know how scared they may have been.

This, THIS is what it looks like to have a constructive conversation with people we have different opinions and not trash each other or hate each other for not believing the same thing.

Discussions like this are a wake up call to me and should be to everyone. No one should ever be as famous as Michael Jackson was. The power he had over the minds and hearts of people is insane.

I feel you jeannie. Loni and adrienne, y’all so ignorant on sexual assault victims, please do further research on that.

@UrbanDecayLova247

5 жыл бұрын

Right! I’m so sick of everyone bringing up Macaulay. I completely believe him when he said Michael didn’t do anything to him but Macaulay was a fuckin superstar by the time he was hanging out with MJ that does nothing to credit that MJ didn’t do anything! FOH does every male rapist rape every woman they come into contact with? No

@Jess-ew3tm

5 жыл бұрын

^ MJ didnt harm any child. If you think so then you clearly know nothing about actual victims and survivors of abuse. No VICTIM is going to want any parts of their abuser. Do your own damn research on wade robson

@geehanel-abbassi7220

5 жыл бұрын

@@UrbanDecayLova247 Right! If I say ted bundy didn't murder my sister, it doesn't mean he didn't murder other people. Just because Macaulay didn't have that same experience, OR Corey Feldman, doesnt mean it didn't happen to other boys. Its truly simple.

@geehanel-abbassi7220

5 жыл бұрын

@@Jess-ew3tm Its a case by case situation. If one victim of sexual abuse didn't want anything to do with their abuser (also wasn't groomed), another victim who was also abused AND groomed may show so much interest in their abuser because of the grooming process. Watch Dr John Duffy ( a clinical psychologist) speak on the MJ victims and tell me if you still know anything about "real" victims. Also, you were not apart of Jacksons private life, Wade Robson and James Safechuck along w/ the two other boys who testified were. So stop saying it as if you know what went on in his life.

@UrbanDecayLova247

5 жыл бұрын

Gigi E exactly! I honestly don’t know and I’m fine with saying that, but people really need to chill with that Macaulay and Corey argument, it’s a poor one and really doesn’t mean anything if you’re trying to defend Michael. 🤦🏾‍♀️

Why are people acting like they know him and were there. I don't know if it happened but the rationale questioning why did they lie before or wait to talk doesn't hold up if you understand trauma. Michael had some strange things about him that no one would ever accept if it was a normal person that had a bad childhood & wanted to hang out with kids the way he did. Again I don't know if he did it but I think it's important to be objective.

Thank you Loni & Adrianne for keeping an open mind.

Interesting how easy it is for people to think people are lying when the victims are men....

Dude I’m suffering with all these comments. Either is true or false, it’s really messed up than he wanted to have sleepovers with kids, THAT’S WRONG. Was he an idol, YES. Was he talented, YES. But just the fact that he had kids sleepover it’s wrong, not saying he abused or not, only that fact is already beyond wrong

Impressed at Loni's and the girl on the very end (Adrien?) knowledge on the legal system.

Why did he even pay them at all if nothing happened?

@MarcyT0the0princess

5 жыл бұрын

His insurance paid them off. Michael unfortunately knew nothing about it until after the fact. My theory is that his insurance company was even greedy for his money.

@yungginqueen3671

5 жыл бұрын

Priscilla because Michaels management team told him to🙄, They said Michael had better things to do which was touring and he had big company deals wanting to work with him.. Remind you Michael was a rich man who could go anywhere in the world and make the settlement money back in no time so Michael signed a check for a settlement to push the court date until he was done touring when the time came for court Jordan refused to testify in court so he stayed with the money Michael basically got framed.

@MarcyT0the0princess

5 жыл бұрын

False. Half of Michael's fans are white and they believe his innocence. And you are not obligated to make any assumption about a race but your own. Thank you.

@PaulineBonsu

5 жыл бұрын

@Ziggy Stardust Michael Jackson was not I repeat NOT a paedofile. I would advise you to look into Wade Robson background and the other kid in 1995 admitting that he lied

@PaulineBonsu

5 жыл бұрын

@Anne Day the childs (1993) Jordan Chandler case his father killed himself 4 months after MJ died. There is a leaked recording of the father admitting that he wanted money of MJ

When I babysit at my house kids sleep in my bed 🤷🏽‍♀️ didn’t know that was a weird thing

@katalinaperez1598

4 жыл бұрын

Same. My neighbors made me babysit their 3 kids for the weekend and we all slept in one room/one bed, so it's easier to supervise them because if I leave them alone for a minute, they would start making trouble and break my things. I don't have any kids of my own at the moment so I actually enjoy the babysitting. Yes sometimes they cause trouble and make me talk a lot sometimes but they also make me laugh and they bring me joy and besides I enjoy their company since I'm single, my family and friends and I no longer live in the same country so I get lonely most of the time. My house is usually quiet and boring but whenever it's babysitting time, it's like a party at my house and I love them for that.

Not sure, but most serial killers were beloved in their community. Michael could have been a nice guy and a bad guy at the same time. If he didn't do it, he opened the door to allegations and he as the adult should have known better. And many children will protect their dad even through things like this, so if the kids did see something. They would probably never tell because that is their dad and they love him.

I remember this... I was studying at a school where there are foreign teachers who are teaching us, then a topic about Michael Jackson pop up and he said “I used to like Michael Jackson but after hearing that he’s done things with children, I am not anymore” and I never know what that means, now I’m aware of it and can’t imagine what those people were going through.

One thing they need to say when aaaaaalllllll of these cases come out. I heard it on another show. Just because someone paid a settlement DOESN'T mean they did it. It's just to make them go away

I couldn't continue watching this, Loni and Adrienne obviously don't have the gift of discernment and are completely in denial. Thank you Jeannie and Tamera for your objective views!

Thank you Loni for speaking facts on a very touchy, controversial topic. Michael has already been proven innocent. After 15 years, there is still no shred of evidence. Let him Rest In Peace.

@dasaunmcclinton68

5 жыл бұрын

No one is “proven innocent”, you are either found guilty or not guilty. All being found not guilty means is that there wasn’t enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

@carmeshacarrington6718

5 жыл бұрын

@@dasaunmcclinton68 but what good is it now? He's dead. I don't know why they wanted to do it after he died but therapy would be better suited for them so a therapist can help guide them towards healing

@dasaunmcclinton68

5 жыл бұрын

Carmesha Carrington The good is that his estate and family are still profiting off of his career that was allegedly filled with predatory behavior and he is still a renowned figure in public life which, if these allegations are true, he clearly shouldn’t be.

@carmeshacarrington6718

5 жыл бұрын

@@dasaunmcclinton68 but even if guilty it wouldn't take away the fact that he had great if not the best videos. And that TV stations would stop regular production to broadcast his videos or his many other accomplishments. He will still be highly esteemed by many. Again to me the purpose of exposing predators so you can stop them from hurting other people while here on earth.

@qCarlosp

5 жыл бұрын

That only means no one in the jury wanted to be the reason Michael Jackson was sent to jail.

Loni always makes such a good point!

To be perfectly honest I said the same thing that Austin brown said mainly about wayde Robson....especially the "after multiple tributes part"...Wade paid homage to Michael on a regular basis, even in his show "the wayde Robson project" and he was grown at that point like I don't get it 🤦🏾‍♀️

@ExtravertmE

3 жыл бұрын

Trauma from sexual abuse doesn't suddenly disappear the moment you turn 18.

@madamshay749

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExtravertmE i know, thats why i said that

So funny everyone is discrediting Wade, but there’s crickets when it comes to James...

@KokomoGreenberg

5 жыл бұрын

Right! James testified for MJ as well he admits it in the doc but he doesn't the second time and Wade does I guess that means Wade is lying and James isn't?? Or something..🙄 I found both of them credible and believed every word of that doc. James was so broken he was a wreck I feel so bad for him he needs more closer or something he'll never get cause MJ is dead. Sad.

@UrbanDecayLova247

5 жыл бұрын

Korey Green and the first time around they were CHILDREN. I’m not saying he did it or not and people can say whatever they want about Wade, but again with James it’s crickets.

@globalcitizenn

5 жыл бұрын

He discredited himself with his train station story. It was bound to happen coz MJ never molested anyone.. and ppl call the fans crazy for saying that but each accuser trips up

@UrbanDecayLova247

5 жыл бұрын

globalcitizenn 😂😂 k

So comparable to abducted in plain sight! All the signs of an abuser.. too many red flags! Whether these allegations are believed or not what grown adult would put themselves in a position where they are locked alone or sleeping in a bed with a child! Forget all his accolades who does that?

@yungginqueen3671

5 жыл бұрын

tenisse h Before you make Michael out to be serial pedo,you need to know the facts don’t judge a book by its cover! During the whole 1993 accusations Michael Jackson had the FBI up his ass for 10 whole years ! they looked everywhere for evidence and found nothing they did fingerprint,they took photos of Michael penis and found no matches to the claims these accusers where making against him this is the biggest pop star in the world he ruled the world of Music and he was Black the media hated Michael and till this day they make money off a man who’s no longer here. The first ever accuser (Jordan) admitted on a note saying Michael never touched him nor did anything harmful To him and that it was a lie because his father made him do it theirs a tape of the dad saying he’ll win money big time and that he’ll destroy Michaels reputation because Michael didn’t give him the film career that he so desperately wanted! Envy and jealousy it’s love and hate at the same time.

@wasongabeatrice

5 жыл бұрын

@@yungginqueen3671 read what she said... he put himself in a compromising position for sleeping with children who are not his on the same bed.

@wasongabeatrice

5 жыл бұрын

@@yungginqueen3671 and how many people get away with crime even with intensive investigations? uncountable! Does it negate their crimes? No!

@XxKatie95

5 жыл бұрын

Also, 3-5% of sexual abuse crimes reported have enough evidence to go to trial. In a normal scenario, it’s extremely difficult to prosecute. With a celebrity? It’s ten times harder. And it should be common sense if you know anything about sexual abuse and statistics that there are more sexual abuse incidences than 3-5%.

@omololamofoluso8941

5 жыл бұрын

@@wasongabeatrice not as a black man in America with the FBI on your tail!

the black lady messes up a lot LOL! I think they did an SNL skit on her and it always reminds me of that when she yells out something random and incorrect 😂😂😂

Taking a settlement is not “putting a price on your children”. In civil court, it makes more sense to settle sometimes because you know that the burden of proof may be too high to win in court. And being found “not guilty” doesn’t mean that you’re innocent.

Oprah Weinstein didn't do her homework! She's horrible! Love u Loni

Where the polygraph lie detector results at..?

Michael Jackson had a HUGH house. They said in the documentary that he had many rooms, many other houses off the main house. The young boys’ parents were in other homes on Nerverland Ranch. Jackson had an upstairs room above his room. Jackson’s kids were not with him 24/7. I’m sure he was an amazing father to his kids. They see what he wanted them to see.

Wade already had experienced money and fame . Also Wade had a very good reason to stand trial for Michael because of the influence and power Michael had while he was alive and considering Wade was working for N’Sync doing their choreography. Wade has nothing to gain by coming out his entire life has already been destroyed thanks to Michael . Michael convinced Wade and his mom to move to La and pursue his career . Wades entire family was destroyed over that move, his family broke apart , his father committed suicide and his reputation was already destroyed when Britney Spears left Justin Timberlake for Wade. So wade has nothing to gain by saying his truth now. I believe Wade and his Grandmother makes a very good point in that documentary.

With Macaulay Culkin and Corey Feldman there was not the same power structure as with the other little boys (from nowhere), the first two was already rich and famous! The “he didn’t have a childhood” excuse obviously still works - even after more than three decades - JESUS ;)

I think mentioning his children on any side of the argument is wrong. Paris tried to commit suicide multiple times because people put pressure on her just for being his daughter or not. The money in the lawsuit would also get taken from his kids which i think is wrong too. I was 6 when the trail happened and MJ was not played in my house . Thats why I cannot see why people just let the strange parts of him slide even though it could have harmed children. Just the sleeping in bed part alone will have changed the sense of boundaries for the kids. But I completely believe that the makers and network of the documentary just care about money clickbait and fame. I hope it will make it easier for families to talk about this topic as the truth about this died/ was killed with MJ. IN any way: the parents and enablers should be charged as well

@omololamofoluso8941

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!! I actually believe a law should be passed criminalising parents exposing their kids unduly. which mother would allow their 7 year child sleep in a stranger's bed ! they are all sick in the head! All culpable, all sick

@AmaKOws

5 жыл бұрын

@@omololamofoluso8941 Yes I recently read this article about grooming and fault-shifting www.thecut.com/2018/11/how-did-larry-nassar-deceive-so-many-for-so-long.html

The fact that his children's story hasnt changed, doesnt mean anything. There are lots of men, who love their children and do not harm their children, but hurt other people's kids. So just because a father kept his own kids safe, doesnt mean he wasnt doing things to someone elses kids. A predator can easily hind things from their own family. I am not saying MJ is guilty, but I am not saying he is innocent either . I loved MJ growing up, had a book on him and would read it every day. I couldnt afford to go to his concert when I was younger, it was his History tour of South Africa, so my brother took me and we listened from outside the stadium, and I remember You are not alone played, and I cried.. got so emotional that I was listening to MJ. I hope the allegations are not true

I'm really confused about this and can't really make a final option about MJ. But one thing should be forever considered: just because someone is dead, it doesn't mean all should be forgotten. There still need to be justice for victims and a place for the truth.

I believe Michael is innocent, but that settlement money doesnt look good. Im a little conflicted.

@yungginqueen3671

5 жыл бұрын

good vibes queen it wasn’t “hush money” it was a settlement because Michael was touring at the time so he paid because his management team said so and that’s where everything fucked up and made him look guilty when in reality it was just to push the date for court.And Michael was naive but Ik he regrets paying at the end.

Loni's last statement💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

Loni and Adrienne say that they weren't there almost as a way of dismissing the whistleblowers. You are correct, YOU WEREN'T THERE. None of us were. Traumatic events can have no effect on us for YEARS until there is a trigger making us respond. We have to validate that. We bring up money as a way of shutting people up without acknowledging the potential pain of these people. Also, people saying to leave MJ alone because he's not alive and can't defend himself also need to realize that people dismissed victims even when he was alive. I grew up listening to his music and it pains me to even think that he could have done something this atrocious, but PREDATORS CAN BE SOME OF THE MOST CHARISMATIC PEOPLE YOU KNOW.

this is a situation where unless you have an HD video of misconduct we'll never truly know. People will take sides and that'll be that.

I am reading the comments and it's shocking to see how many people dont know or dont take into consideration grooming. Just think about that : how many women have stayed and defended abusing men they have been with ? MJ was a global superstar and these kids were in love with him and admired him just like many of us did . He build a relationship with them and made them think that what they were doing should stay unknown or else he would get in trouble. I bet Wade and James did not want MJ to go to jail back then . Grooming is a hell of a thing. You are not rational anymore . Now all these people calling them liars amd saying there was an investigation about this. Guess what ? Child molestation doesnt leave traces most of the time . Plus MJ was often alone with these kids yall were not there so dont make harsh jugements like this !

A 40 year old man was sleeping with a 7 year old enough said. Once they grew up he moved on to the next. Michael had a dark side why is that so hard to believe.

@wanjikz92

5 жыл бұрын

Its sad but people are in denial because of his talent and beautiful music.

@zariagamble8718

5 жыл бұрын

So if a man loves children that means he molesting them?

@sonyvalencia

5 жыл бұрын

@@zariagamble8718 You know thats not what I mean.

@Lilbit0912

5 жыл бұрын

@@sonyvalencia that sounds like what you mean? Media loves to jump on someone especially if they were weird. MJ was weird, but apparently to you morons, weird and child loving = pedophile? Ridiculous. Come to me with some real evidence, not shock value bs stories from 2 liars that have a lot of motive for a cash check.

@Strengthbykali

5 жыл бұрын

@@zariagamble8718 no...if a man sleeps with children ONE AT TIME locked in a room with an extreme security system is bad. It was rarely a group of kids, it was mostly 1 kid at a time. He was always with 1 kid at a time, 1 kid on tour, infatuation of 1 kid at a time. How hard is that to see??

I just love y’all!

I hate that we live in a society where someone can say they have been abused but because it is a “celebrity” not only does no one believe them, but they are attacked and disregarded as though their life means nothing. It’s disgusting. If your neighbour was a grown man who’s home was designed to attract children, even though he had no kids. Spent his free time playing and hanging out with children because he was “young at heart” and begged/payed you to let your children sleepover, you would’ve reported him to the police and reported the parents that allowed their children to stay with him to Social services. Celebrities get away with crazy, unacceptable behaviour just because they’re “celebrities” and people need to wake up and see the truth. Not just with MJ but with ALL celebrities that are clearly doing things that are wrong.

@smilelikeUmeanit90

5 жыл бұрын

well said. thnku.