I do think it's worth mentioning that Tate, and many other cult leaders like him, do actually give these kids something. They give them a community. I think finding ways to foster leftwing communities that are attractive to young men is the way to combat people like Tate in the future. And in this respect, we have a leg up. We actually want these young people to succeed, not just take their money.

@guntguardian3771

Жыл бұрын

People like Andrew Tate have existed since time immemorial. He's not even so much of a cult leader, as he is just a charlatan. That's basically it. You can't combat it, you can't stop it. There will be more, and that is what it is. Plus, there have been these kind of people who exist on all parts of the political spectrum - or not related to it at all. You're not better by virtue of being left wing, that's just silly.

@km2766

Жыл бұрын

on reddit its nothing but hate, left wingers in social media would rather they get isolated then congregate.

@johnjaremchuk5935

11 ай бұрын

I wanted to be part of a leftist community online. then I got perma banned from reddit because i pissed off one too many of the wrong mods.

@XLatMaths

10 ай бұрын

That's what Vaush is trying to do. Shame about the controversies...

@LonelyKnightess

10 ай бұрын

@@johnjaremchuk5935 That's not how Reddit works.

Tate is just a smart version of Mack from Always Sunny. The problem is, end of the day, he's still Mack.

@tiraXpyrrha

10 ай бұрын

At least when Mack takes your money, you get some Fight Milk out of it.

@pjbrown4736

10 ай бұрын

@@tiraXpyrrha damn right

Mike Tyson is 5’10. Please for the love of god Andrew, get in the ring and show him what an alpha you are. Whoever wins gets to shove their philosophies down the others throat.

@maomaomi5434

Жыл бұрын

Not only will he lose his dignity and pride, but he'll lose one of his ears too.

@BeastNationXIV

Жыл бұрын

Tyson would lose by DQ or something if it was a boxing match because Tate would just throw an illegal kick and knock Tyson out to show how "alpha" you are when you just break the rules...and he'll make even more money.

@awkwardukulele6077

9 ай бұрын

@@BeastNationXIVif you think Andrew Tate’s kicks are enough to stop Mike Tyson, you haven’t watched enough of Mike Tyson.

@ashtangaxashtangapranayama8526

6 ай бұрын

​@@awkwardukulele6077 I'd have to agree with this

That kid at 44:45 is absolutely imitating Tate's accent and mannerisms. That's pretty fucking beta.

@rohanofelvenpower5566

6 күн бұрын

that proff Adam (crpyto investing ) or Michael (crypto trading) from TRW. all proffs are TWR members.

A heads up: Vaush is saying that we (the left) need to address the greviences abused by people like Tate or that other guy with drums, yes, but in a correct way (i.e. with feminism). The idea is that you give those young guys figures that speak to this need of theirs, but from a feminist framework, and fill that space. This way Tate-like figures can't prey on the young. You guys also agree that the problems people like these exploit are real and valid. The point isn't that the left requires a guy who promises you riches and domination, that is a misunderstanding.

@maximeteppe7627

11 ай бұрын

I think that's a bit too charitable. From Vaush's persona and attitude, he definitely sees merit in being edgy and agressive to appeal to the same audiences as far right figures. Sure, he's not saying left wing people should embrace hustle culture, but his stance always has been to embrace hypermasculine attributes as a means to appeal to far right youth and funnel them away from the right. he might be right to some degree but he goes further in his argument than you claim.

@sammckenney8163

6 ай бұрын

​@@maximeteppe7627 edgy and aggressive in debate, sure, but that's nowhere near the "return to tradition," "reclaim your masculinity" type stuff. He wants the left to put forward examples of positive masculinity, and show young men how they can fit into an egalitarian world.

Tate does speak to a lot of real problems that young men do face. But he does it in such a horrible way with no goal other than to increase his bank account. That’s what makes him so dangerous imo.

The bit about Vaush is kinda weird to me. I know that Robert dislikes him, but I think his interpretation is pretty uncharitable. You can dislike someone without being dishonest about their views. Vaush was talking about how the left doesn't really have a figure for young men to look up to. The left is often very critical of men without giving them goals to strive for. They're often told what not to do and not what they should do. I am a trans masc enby and I have seen how people talk about men in lefty spaces and it can often be very hostile, leading to men not feeling welcome in our spaces. Some people might roll their eyes when I talk about this but that's exact kind of stuff I'm talking about. This is an issue that affects everyone but some of it is tied specifically to men's struggles, and they're often brushed aside or made to feel like their issues don't matter. Men are less likely to have as many close friendships as women, more likely to choose more lethal suicide methods and less likely to seek help. The results of that hurt everyone. That is why we should reach out to men and stop them from falling for grifters like JBP or Tate.

@sammckenney8163

6 ай бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself

@defies4626

5 ай бұрын

Well, given what we now know about Vaush, I think Robert suspected something.

@Supahdave1000

4 ай бұрын

@@defies4626 Wait what

I found this channel through Vaush. Robert Evans seems to share Vaush's reasoning, analysis, and debunking of Tate's ideology and tactics so it's weird to see him be so uncharitable and dismissive when Vaush points out Tate's tactics.

I don't give him much credit. He shouts people down, it's not a skill. Over the top arrogance isn't brilliant, he likely just parrots what he's read on 8chan, but yells it with undeserved confidence.

I am mildly surprised there was not a single taint pun in the entire series

What's wild to me about the testimonies about how much Hustlers subscribers make per month isn't much more than I make per month working a 9-5 and I am sure I may even have more time for me than they do themselves.

@kiran387

7 ай бұрын

Because they are told that "The "Hustle" never stops." And, as has been mentioned in the podcast, it's just MLM shit for Men. Which, only continues the disconnection cycle Men are facing; when ALL of your interactions or "interests" are fake, superficial, and about a "Hustle", that's absolutely NO basis for healthy Male relationships and bonding.

The saddest part is all of us gen X and gen Y folks acting as if "the kids are our future" when I know for a fact that a lot of Tate's content is geared towards the younger and older people from gen Z, and there are so many people supporting him like he's 2Pac or somebody. It looks bleek. Our kids are being "groomed" but not like Marg and Boebert swear is happening, they're being groomed to be a bunch of Andrew (Tate)s and Afred (Hitchcock)s. Smh

@bermo6066

11 ай бұрын

What's wild is that it's mainly just young men? I don't think these figures exist for young women or for sexual and gender minorities.

This is a great Sophie ep

When Tate was going viral, I couldn't understand why everyone wanted to talk about him, because having heard about how shitty he was once, I'd heard all of it, and I got bored of hearing about him.

It's wild how Tate, one of the nost fundamentally insecure people on Earth, ever got as far as he did

tf four edit: thank you

45:45 when I encountered this response I always said "that trash car spends so much time in the shop I forget what color it is"

18:00

The funny thing about the Bugatti comment is that the guy who made this company would've never sold Tate a car...

At around 36:00 you mention Vaush. I think you are misunderstanding him. He is not saying that we should have a "leftist Tate", he is saying that Tate exploits a niche that the left HAS TO inhabit so that grifters like him don't get traction. Vaush's argument is that Tlthe online left tends to be very hostile towards men, giving no other space to young, vulnerable boys to express and share their anguish. Tate uses bunk class analysis and then takes them on the grift train. We could use some ACTUAL class analysis to raise a generation of men that are good allies. We need to canalize the anger they got not against women but against capitalism itself: don't try to escape it, fight it together !

You are a perfection, so you did a dress rehearsal

Too many 'Ian's in this video for me to be comfortable

So what im hearing is tate is an incubus.

@maomaomi5434

Жыл бұрын

Heyyyy don't insult incubi like that! Incubi are cute demon femboys that just happen to need "fluids" to survive! >:(

@awkwardukulele6077

9 ай бұрын

@@maomaomi5434for once I would prefer people be horny on main, as opposed to whatever OP was talking about.

@Supahdave1000

4 ай бұрын

More of a man-sized leech.

So, saying veterans are chumps is acceptable to veterans? Particularly the ones who join hate groups?

Yes, let me teach them instead. And when they do, he tells them, beat it boy, ya bothering Me! Because they would be dead.

Tate got me out of a slump. I'm back in the gym. Reading every day. Being more productive overall. No depression. Many men, and some women, respond to hard compassion. ❤🙏

@clavicleofcernunnos

Жыл бұрын

Ah, so let's ignore the rape and pimping sex trafficking, grooming teenagers, and physical abuse. Yeah, he's really improved women's lives while he preaches childish contempt for all of them.

@mariachiherowars

Жыл бұрын

@@clavicleofcernunnos I think you're talking out of your arse bro. I could accuse you of those same things without having any proof. Problem is I'd look like an idiot for doing that. So have you got proof or ate you an idiot?

@jeremysanders9336

Жыл бұрын

That probably just means you’re bipolar

@Cornix94

11 ай бұрын

Tate didn't get you out of your slump. You did, through determination, self-reflection, and effort, and you deserve to have enough confidence to own that. You made the changes, you're doing the work, and you have the power to continue improving yourself even if Tate drops off the face of the planet. All of the advice he gives that's actually worth anything has been around since antiquity. You might have heard it from him, but he didn't come up with any of it. He's just invested very heavily in making himself the face of it for a new generation. And the thing is, he didn't make that investment because he wanted to help people. He did it to make people feel like they need him, so that they'll feed his ego and buy his scummy, overpriced online courses about how to take advantage of people. There's a reason that he packages good advice together with toxic nonsense; the former makes his victims feel indebted to him, and the latter destroys their relationships with everyone else. This tactic is cult leader 101. If you have enough discernment to take only the positives from his rhetoric while tossing out the negatives, then congratulations, you have evaded his trap and managed to help yourself in the process. But there's no scenario where you owe this guy anything. He tried to cheat you, and you pocketed the bait and put it to better use.

@mariachiherowars

11 ай бұрын

@@jeremysanders9336 you want to stick a label on everything, that's up to you. I think psychiatry is very scammy.

Maybe dont talk while case is in action. He is pronounced guilty until proven innocent. What a world.

@TheMooRam

Жыл бұрын

I mean, they literally go through Tates own words and admissions in the episode. He literally admitted on his website to grooming women into sex work using false pretences of love, also know as loverboy pimping and is what he's literally under investigation for. I'm pretty happy to call him a sex trafficker based on Tates own bragging.

@frenkvortice3858

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMooRam i wanna see his victims.

@frenkvortice3858

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMooRam those are not evidences but speech out of context. Anything can be twisted to serve a narrative. Its not wise Tates alegged victims would emerge by the hundreds if the allegations were true. In tgis day n age he cant pull a bill cosby on us.

@TheMooRam

Жыл бұрын

@@frenkvortice3858 speech out of context? How is him selling a course using his own description of how he hired women for his business (which he's described multiple times before and lines up with the definition of loverboy pimp, which is what he's been arrested for) out of context?

@TheMooRam

Жыл бұрын

@@frenkvortice3858 so if victims have come forward you will believe their testimony then? Especially when it matches Tates own, in context, words? Or will you accuse them of lying?