If parallels and crossover can bring gaming inside apple machine . Why cant apple itself invest in a team to make gaming possible with someother feature like Rosetta !

@TheDarkraicm

2 жыл бұрын

Cos they don’t care about this type of gaming, they only care about mobile gaming cos it makes them more money

@RirtyDascal

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, what this other guy said. “Money” being the key word there. There’s no financial incentive for apple to support games outside of mobile at the moment.

@-sh

2 жыл бұрын

gaming on Mac is not real lmao you can use crossover to play old games on shit fps and graphics lmao just buy a windows pc if you can already buy an m1 mac

@okay4634

2 жыл бұрын

It would be possible with Proton and Steam but Apple decided do to proprietary sh i t :) (Metal instead of Vulkan)

@antisocial333

2 жыл бұрын

Because they don't want to

Great job!

@dendycandra982

2 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@mschf_nft2581

2 жыл бұрын

So my two favorite channels interact ????? mind blown- And crossover obviously !

@Office3

2 жыл бұрын

please shout out this channel ya

@bobcake8904

2 жыл бұрын

@@mschf_nft2581 In a parallel universe, a crossover this big would have far more likes.

@namakudamono

2 жыл бұрын

You should definitely show Andrew some love on your channel, Max!

Man, these reminds me of my first MacBook when I loved tinkering with games and apps to see what would run on it. And boy am I going to enjoy doing it again. Thanks for your work.

I'm impressed with the quality of this video, everything is well explained with all details. thank you!

This is awesome!! The test is really help to me!!

Damn, waited on this video like crazy. Thanks, Andrew!

Thanks a lot for the video. I think a M1X with 32GB of RAM will make Parallell the prefered option due to the compatibility issues of Cross over.

@Alex-hv3ir

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry in advance for the time maschi e effect ( your comment is from 10 months ago lol) but how is it performing? Are you using parallels 17? Which games have you tried?

@Tech-geeky

Жыл бұрын

Hypervisors are always gonna bet better, because CrossOver/WINE/Porting Kit etc.. will run allot of games on M1, but will not run many newer games, plus there are no Direct X 11 that Parallels can use. WHile there is overhead, the trade off is well worth it depends on the type of game. For example, i've run 1990 games on VMWare and Parallels, and Porting Kit, and Cross Over/Porting Kit, run at full speed, but with exceptions of games... There is a trade off. Personally, all of these are just 'filling the gap' for convenience sake... If you want to run AAA titles get a gaming PC. FWI: I dunno if Parallels allow this, but if TPM is not for you, unlike a physical PCl you can just remove TPM entirely from VM Settings, and it works just fine.... (or maybe its a bug in VMWare.. *shrugs*)

Very clear and helpful! thank you

I’m loving these videos I just got a base MacBook Air and I’m looking to see how to play games

Really interesting stuff! Thanks a lot! :)

Hey there! I’m currently using Parallels but crossover seems more suited for me. Is there a way to drag and drop the entire game/application or do I have to start all over again?

Amazing video. Can't wait to see these reviews with the M1X coming next month in higher end MBP.

In the future, a third option 'should' be BootCamp 2 from Apple, with Windows ARM, and this time around, with the ability to install this on an external drive right out of the box.

Just came across your excellent video. I’ve been wondering for months about this very issue. One question, I’m a great fan of No Man’s Sky but it doesn’t appear in your Master Games List. Do you know anything about whether and how NMS can be played on the M1 Macs?

I think it would've been good to show a counterexample to the kind of trend you showed off with the games (Parallels being slower but Crossover being potentially more buggy). For example Team Fortress 2 runs smoothly in Parallels but really slowly/unplayable at the lowest settings in Crossover.

@Andytizer

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks I would've if I had examples, however not that many games work in both. I actually hadn't had luck getting Team Fortress 2 working on CrossOver however I have heard CrossOver 21 makes this game run better.

@kit_ty_kate

2 жыл бұрын

@@Andytizer I've tried with both Crossover 20 and 21 when it came out and I was getting the same performance (a choppy 10 to 25 fps with random crashes once in a while on a 16GB MBA)

@Andytizer

2 жыл бұрын

@@kit_ty_kate That's good to know I'll test and record a video in the future. It just goes to show there are exceptions to all the generalisations and it's essential to check/update the wiki as each game performs compeltely differently on each method.

Great video as always. Really interested in getting new game Riders Republic running on a Mac Mini M1. What would be best setup though? Will it work on Crossover? What’s your view and possible testing to get 60 FPS for riders republic on Mac

Great video. Playing to get crossover on a Mac mini m1. Will it be possible to access steam library running through crossover on a mobile device via steam link? Same question for parallels though and what’s your suggestion for my setup?

Thanks for this !

This is awesome, so many people do not realize just how impressive this is.

What about older games? Are they easier to run? Some of my favourite games are not on the list, but they are not demanding, should I assume they are not compatible with parallels if they are not on the list? Thanks for the testing!

Hey there Andrew, thanks for this video! It seems the Standard version of Parallels now offers 8GB RAM of usage. Do you still recommend the Pro version? Thanks!

As I mentioned in one of your other videos. The virtual TPM chip option is available in the Standard version of Parallels as well you don’t have to have the Pro.

@Char1es4k

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I can confirm that.

@aha6781

2 жыл бұрын

What is the virtual TMP chip option?

@Char1es4k

2 жыл бұрын

@@aha6781 You can check out previous videos on introduction of Parallels 17 in this channel. Since Windows 11 required TPM 2.0, the latest edition has an option to create virtual TPM chip in settings. But the real problem of incompatibility lies in CPU(based on results from WhyNotWin11, which can be found on Github). In latest Windows 11 version Apple Silicon Chip(m1) can now be identified and it's considered to be not compatible with official Windows 11 Build later.

@Tech-geeky

Жыл бұрын

I use a nify trick with VMWare.. When setting up i make sure i only have 'only encrypt the required files like.vmware". Then after Windows 11 install, i remove TPM module hardware from "Settings", then edit .vmx file (deleting TPM entries (usually found by a blob at the bottom between tags. it works.... No need for TPM entry in Mac keychain.. Cannot do THAT on a psychical PC :)

I ran GTA V just fine, from my Steam install via Crossover, without any cracks/hacks. Performance is quite good, running off an external m.2 drive even, not main SSD. M1 Pro Macbook Pro 16", 16GB of RAM. Main issue is shadow quality in the game, and once in a great while, i had a lockup for like 1-3 seconds to load stuff into memory I guess. But I also had other apps open when running the game/sucking up RAM.

Great video as always!

@Andytizer

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks again!

Thanks for the info. Hadn't heard of Crossover before. May have missed it in the video, but is this Parallels 16.5 or new 17.0? I understand there's a performance boost with the new version?

@theencryptedpartition4633

2 жыл бұрын

And also Windows 11 have that gaming HDR boost

Great job doing all this testing! I'll be interested if you could try to run PlayStation Now. I'm trying it with parallels this afternoon but I won't be able to try it with crossover for a while (permissions problem)

@Outtatime28

2 жыл бұрын

how did it work on parallels? I was looking at options to run Playstation Now and would be curious if it ran better on one of the two options

Just bought it using your code, awesome video showcasing the differences. Already had Parallels.

you can dedicate more resources like cores and RAM on Parallels Desktop settings, depending on your Mac's hardware

Thank you for video

Thank you for this. Were you using Parallels 16.5 or 17? Will there be a performance comparison between the two?

@Andytizer

2 жыл бұрын

GTA V and Fallout 4 recorded on Parallels 17, the rest on previous versions. I don’t see enough of a difference to make a video right now.

Great video!!! I'm looking at getting crossover to play assetto cross and I'm wondering if I would be able to install mods more assetto cross?

Do you think performance is going to be significantly improved on the new Mac Studio machine?

This channel is Created Tech but gaming. Nice!

Crossover 22 is amazing. Just bought a sub to it. It's effing FAST, low footprint and looks great in spite of not dedicated drivers from Apple. The Community has created whatever is available

Thanks for the great video, I want to play It Takes Two on my Mac M1 - I see on your list it is ranked as "Plays perfectly on Crossover" but are you able to play online with a friend? Also looking to play Left4Dead2, i see its ranked as "Playable" but does online work?

9:59 Man, you beat the game 👏👏👏

So ... how do you think Win ARM x86-64 games will run on the M1x? Trying to decide whether to buy the 16" MacBook Pro, 32 GPU, 2 TB SSD with 32 or 64 GB RAM.

thanks!

Great video, do you know an M1 / ARM virtual platform that runs / supports Linux Red Hat OS? I tried Paralells, but I dont think it supports it, maybe im wrong.

gaming on my mac studio 64gb ram with parallel. its a beast wish i could make a video showing you all. maybe when i get enough👍🏽 thumbs

Great video, Andrew! My question may seem strange, but still. It is known that the performance of Starcraft 2 via Rosetta is not very good for some reason. Would you like to try running Starcraft 2 through Parallels or CrossOver for comparison?

@artjomraznjak8388

Жыл бұрын

Starcraft has native Mac version

@Voyageur117

Жыл бұрын

@@artjomraznjak8388 its not optimised

@normankiefer6033

Жыл бұрын

​@@Voyageur117 runs perfect on my m1 on max settings... how isn't optimized? (curious question)

@Voyageur117

Жыл бұрын

@@normankiefer6033 max settings?)) high and ultra shaders kills fps. Only medium even on my M1 Max. Just google it

@normankiefer6033

Жыл бұрын

@@Voyageur117 huh like I said it runs perfect... so far at 60fps max settings I wonder how...

Hey, I really want to see if Knights of Honor is playable on M1 CrossOver

This is the content I need.

I really like your videos, very good work. Would be interesting to see what performance is like with 16GB of Ram on all these Games. Are you looking to upgrade to another M1 Macbook with 16GB?

@Andytizer

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks I like to test on base model Mac as this is what most people will have access to. I will buy whatever is the base model of the next M1X or M2 model when they are released.

@jerichonicholas5487

2 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Tsai True, in my country Apple only release the base model so thank you

@Alvin-Nukman

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, keep it base model exclusive please! This what makes your channel standout and cover majority consumer like myself

If you install Process lasso in a virtual machine to elevate the game's CPU permissions to higher than the standard FPS, maybe it will up?

Andrew, how about using earlier versions of Windows that aren’t so resource intensive but still have game compatibility? Would games run faster?

This is actually pretty impressive.

I still prefer Parallels VM because modding in Windows directory structure and some game related applications - Nexus Mods, Steam Workshop, Alternative Mod launcher etc... as well as the myriad of emulators and game front ends - Launchbox, coin-ops, Playnight, etc... Depending the Macs and resources/drivers allocated to the VMs it offers more overal than Crossover if you are into the aforementioned things, even if it has less performance.

On GTA5, CrossOver had laggs with keyboard and mouse input - or is it gone?

I’d like to see the first watch dogs. And I want to see the games same test but on the newly announced MacBook Pro. I ask for the first watch dogs because I’m using it to test parallels on my machine and it’s basically unplayable. Want to know if it’s a watch dogs thing or parallels thing.

Does Genshin Impact work with Parallels? Good job with all of your videos by the way, really underrated.

there are two options wine(crossover) or you put Linux on the mac and run steam proton via box64 and proton is wine with dxvk und vkd3d which are needed to translate directx to vulkan which is the fastest on Linux

I found that the main performance hit on Parallels is the traffic; using Menyoo to reduce traffic completely removes most lag spikes and boosts FPS

@NicolasPare

Жыл бұрын

That makes sense. When you try overwatch on Parallels, it's quite decent in the target practice but unplayable during an actual match.

@mintily4455

Жыл бұрын

What is menyoo exactly

CrossOver seems to run quite well on my Mac with the Rockstar Games Launcher. Even online. However mods like FiveM do not seem te work since CrossOver runs as administrator by default

hi, i would love to have a recommendation to play Honkai Star Rail (windows version) on Macbook Air M2 running Sonoma, should i use CrossOver 23.5 or Parallels Desktop? thx

Wine was great, and third-party Wine versions that got created after the official WIne got discontinued on macOS, but it only runs .exe files, which eliminates one of the already few games I play, Minecraft Bedrock. I also personally intend to use Windows for non-gaming stuff, so I will probably just get Parallels. Prefer VMware Fusion, but I remember VMware saying that they weren't going to add Windows support on Macs with Apple Silicon, so Parallels remains the only option for me.

@zelfa1616

Жыл бұрын

have you had success with launching a .exe on Mac with Wine? I'm struggling to figure it out rn

Age of Empires 4- that's the game I'd buy either of these for. Do you know if it's compatible?

I plan on playing no mans sky, is there a chance I will still be able to play multiplayer on one of parallels or cross over?

hey andrew will you do the new wine update buddy?

Great video, as usual Andrew!! I have to say what is the point of getting either solution on the M1 Macs. Simply is not worth the trouble of finding work-arounds and then getting poor performance. At this point in time, we live in a world where Macs and PCs justify their niches - productivity and gaming.

@Andytizer

2 жыл бұрын

Yes this is a completely valid point, you can end up paying quite a lot for Parallels or CrossOver but ultimately if you want to game, just buy a PC or a console and you'll have a much better experience. Certainly for me I think there are enough macOS games to last a lifetime for casual gaming.

@AndreAngelantoni

2 жыл бұрын

Well, it's not stellar but you can definitely see the direction things are going. Not too long from now the power of the machines will be so great that we'll easily get 60fps at high settings and high resolution. A 16GB (or even 32GB) MacBook Pro with 50% (or possibly even 100%) more cores plus more graphics power will bring things up another big notch. I'm contemplating a PC laptop just for gaming but will wait until the next MacBook Pro running the next chip comes out before pulling the trigger since I need to upgrade my current Mac laptop anyway. Having one machine for everything has its advantages. Plus, perhaps the Macs won't sound like a jet engine when playing a game.

M1 needs an exclusive AAA game. After that many developers would be a more brave in this platform.

@inwedavid6919

2 жыл бұрын

Apple fanboys need to buy games at full price and may be some games will be develop on the mac. For the price of a M1/512gn/16gb you have a Pc laptop with a very high end graphic card. but fan boy don't buy games.

@evacody1249

2 жыл бұрын

@KNAX_NO4H Nope

@br0mley597

2 жыл бұрын

@KNAX_NO4H I highly that doubt M1 can beat rtx 3050, not talking about 3060-80

@a_spire

2 жыл бұрын

bruh that gpu is slower than a 1050 from years ago..

@Dajaba2000

2 жыл бұрын

lol developing game for mac is just nightmare

hey question is parralels pro edition is it a permanent buy or I have to buy it yearly

Using it for work and not concerned with the set up cost (parallels) or set up time (VMware or UTM) I just want whats best. Parallels or VMware or UTM?

Do you have a copy of windows 10 arm that works on parallels on a MacBook Pro M1 max? Every time I download a version it said it cannot install it, I have the blue screen of death

Until there is an ARM version of Windows I think Crossover might be my choice - may give it a chance. I have a random Laser Cutting App that I need Windows for and I'm curious to see if it will work or not. I really wish MS would support ARM better (hopefully they may actually soon). I subscribe to Parallels, but the biggest issue is nothing w/ M1 other than ARM. I have just been using my Intel MBP for my Windows stuff.

@JesviJonathan

2 жыл бұрын

There is an arm version of windows.. but apple made the drivers proprietary so nothing can be done

Hey uh do you know how to use CrossOver? Because I'm quite new to it and don't know how to use it

I thought i could continue playing guild wars 2 on the go with crossover. Sadly the game always crash after an hour or two using crossover. I guess thats a sign for me to separate my work and gaming machine

well u say parallels lacks of ram, but is depending on Mac u have? I have 48gb ram 16 core cpu

What’s better: i9 intel 2019 MacBook with windows or new m2 with machine ( parallels) ???

Does Crossover or Parallels support controllers on steam?

You, sir, are a titan of Mac gaming!

Great video, I wonder what risks would be involved in running a cracked and potentially infected version of GTA V via Crossover, would malware be able to run under Crossover and cause harm?

@LaurenGlenn

2 жыл бұрын

Probably more than if you bought the game. Don’t pirate

@Slurkz

2 жыл бұрын

@@LaurenGlenn I agree with you. Pirating is not the goal/intention here though. Did you watch the entire video?

1080p 60fps on GTA V is pretty impressive I think apple is going to surprise in the next event big apple arcade update

@TreyTV0

2 жыл бұрын

M1 Max gang coming soon...

is crossover free? I only know parallels is paid. I play plants vs zombies garden warfare 2 on steam with parallels and using the free 2 week trial. Runs really well on my m1 MacBook Pro 2021

Which is better for running cs go? Rosetta or crossover?

I appreciate your effort on the videos, keep up the good work. Did you run GTA V with CrossOver on a controller? I experienced heavy lag while trying to run the same on keyboard.

@Andytizer

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I ran GTA V with a controller. It is possible to fix this keyboard lag bug using a custom Wineskin.

@beatjunkie399

2 жыл бұрын

@@Andytizer any additional info or howto for that wineskin?

Could crypto allow for something similar with unlimited potential for cpu power for user speeds

What about Parallels 17 for Mac? Anyone have any advice on which one of those to get? P17 is a bit cheaper, but seems to be perfectly optimized for the Mac in just about every imaginable way. But if PPro is just the all around better buy, then that’s what I’ll go for.

@Andytizer

2 жыл бұрын

Standard edition is fine, see here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIWMk9JtgJjOhNo.html it makes less than 5% difference in most cases.

Hi Andrew! Love the content on your channel! I was wondering if you could help me out. I’m looking to play & mod NBA2k21 (the full version not the arcade edition) on a Mac Mini M1 but I’m not sure if it would be best to run it through a virtualization system or natively through steam? If you could help me figure this out, you’d be a lifesaver!

What version of FIFA or PES works perfectly with crossover on mac M1? 🤔

And what’s happening now with the new chips PRO and MAX!? Im worry, and I’m sure I’m not the only one! Thanks :)

Hmm, there were quite a few games in that list that didn't have an FPS counter. Very difficult to tell true speed on a recorded video. Also missing several games specs too. Ex: Fallout 4.

@Andytizer

2 жыл бұрын

Yes many framerate counters won’t load correctly under CrossOver or Parallels, I tried to enable them where possible. The videos themselves are all in the main benchmark playlist.

Can i connect and use my logitech g29 wheel using crossover or parallels?

hey man I've just got parallels on my Mac buh I've tried running gat 5 on it buh its saying I have to get some missing .dll files ive downloaded direct x on the vm but still doesn't fix the problem

I played Skyrim on my 2013 Macbook Air (8GB RAM) using Parallels.

Looking forward to the M1x with 32 GPU cores!

@lucasmancini2

2 жыл бұрын

xD who is saying 32 GPU cores? That will definitely not happen! It will not help aswell. The bottleneck is the ram limitation not the gpu.

@gloryholdofficial

2 жыл бұрын

Just announced it 6 efficeientcy cores 8 power cores 32 high power gpu cores 16 neural cores security chip and 16 or 32 gigs of ram it should be able to run gta at 120 fps surely it’s about 40 percent more powerful than the M1 so 60 at highest settings and 90 to 120 at medium low mix that’s insane for a laptop peaking at 40 watts max

Will this work with an intel chip as well?

Please test star wars battlefront 2 2017 and squadrons on macbook m1

Are you running titanfall 2 through origin and if so how did you install it?

@Andytizer

2 жыл бұрын

I have a tutorial here kzread.info/dash/bejne/oKthspJtdKbAhLg.html

Problem with Parallels is that they dont sell you full pro version with 1-time purchase and milk you with subsribtion .

CrossOver is the commercial version of Wine, which is just a compatibility layer, its obviously going to be much faster than emulate an game in a full Windows install on top of a virtual machine., but since Wine is reverse engineered, is much more difficult to make everything 100% compatible, and Apple deprecating 32-bit support doesn't help sadly.

I have macbook pro M1 and I install windows 11 arm using parallels and yet cannot launch fifa 21 thru origin any idea please ?

And all this works on fanless machine..how does it perform after few hours of playing?

For future owners: 8GB version is very capable device for its intended use ... i can do photoshop, premiere edits and cinema 4d animations without any issue on this tiny laptop with killer battery life. 16GB version is just not worth it for 200eur plus (depends on your country but i guess the markup will be very similar). If u plan to game tho, just get something else. Yeah there is very expensive parallels that scams its users with every new realease not being free upgrade, and crossover that have compatibility issues. Even if u dont mind to overpay for 16G version and software, u still have a lot of work to do to even run most of these games ... its not install and play most of the time. The experience is just not worth the effort and money. Im not trashing devs for their amazing work, but if gaming is what u want to do here, rather burn your money right away.

@andrei8683

2 жыл бұрын

cant agree more

Can crossover run windows app? Or just gaming?

Hi, could you, please try to run VR games on it? Oculus Quest2 would do 😊

Hey Andrew! Could you tell me how to install a cracked version of GTA5 on Mac? What we can usually find is GTA5 for Windows while there is no selection of GTA5 on CrossOver menu. I once tried to install exe file through Crossover and failed to find the shortcut on CrossOver to start the application:( I must be a green hand, SO I need some help.

Would you say 8gb sufficient? Why is that 16gb is highly recommended? Thanks.

Cant wait to see the Asahi Linux with Proton installed for M1 macs

@positivo4584

2 жыл бұрын

The drivers arent very fast yet

Don’t forget Xbox game pass to stream your games. Might be the easiest and best thing to do for a mac m1 with it hardwired to the router. Just another option.