How about less warmongers and more peace-mongers?

@evolassunglasses4673

2 жыл бұрын

The NeoCon narratives are winning. The NeoCons are just using Ukraine particularly Nazh AZOV to destabilise Russia at all costs. The NeoCons destroyed the Middle East and will destroy Ukraine. This war has been going on for 8 bloody years, 14,000 dead BEFORE the invasion. The Russian minority gets constantly shelled particularly by the ruthless NeoNazi group AZOV BATTALION armed by Nato. Please watch the documentary up on Rumble called UKRAINE ON FIRE

@atulvaibhav5376

2 жыл бұрын

How about less naive useful idiots.

@MikeSmith-cl4ix

2 жыл бұрын

In this case peace only comes as a result of strength. If Ukraine makes peace at this point they lose all the oil and gas rights in the Black Sea, their economy will be severely affected because Russia will have blocked their shipping lanes and they willi give greater power and enrich Putin for the destruction of cities and murder of thousands of people. They need to push Russia out of Ukraine completely and destroy as much as their military as possible. If he's not stopped now he'll just regroup and go to the next Target once everyone relaxes.

@marekkac7046

Жыл бұрын

How about defending Ukraine instead of letting Russian soldiers genocide them?

first the west educated germany to be very peaceful after ww2, and succeeded, and now the west is frustrated that germany is not war oriented.

@katzensindweich3505

2 жыл бұрын

Germany os a Nato member and is embarrassing itself. Also it is good at dealing out critizism but very bad at receiving it.

@SkyRiver1

2 жыл бұрын

The "west" has been complaining for decades that Germany did not pull it's own weight in obligation to NATO. It's all very nice to have the USA protect you against Soviet aggression by MAD for half a century, easy to have a good life in the shadow of apocalypse. It is long over due that states of good will step up and pull together with equal contribution by ability.

@felixheavier5478

2 жыл бұрын

Germany is war oriented.Germany is enthusiastic about funding and arming the Russian slaughter of Ukrainians.

@vsiegel

2 жыл бұрын

That is a valid point - and a problem we have to fix. And while it is not fast enough, we are all surprised how fast we change.

@vsiegel

2 жыл бұрын

@@SkyRiver1 Somehow we got used to it that a large scale war between east and west would be fought in Germany. So it felt right to have lots of US nuclear bombs in Germany. Somehow we did not like weapons - but we learn. The Green party was the most pacifist party, and today, they are the ones driving using weapons. I knew the Greens were rational, but they are more rational than I thought!

Would be good if this gentleman did speak as eloquently against the Iraq destruction.

@discipleofschaub4792

2 жыл бұрын

Whataboutism

@jaredkock8400

2 жыл бұрын

Pure hypocrite

@freeheeler09

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, we Americans are partly to blame for enabling Putin’s genocide in Ukraine with our indefensible wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

@timokohler6631

2 жыл бұрын

Which Gentleman? And how do you know he didn't?

@maitreyabadra2267

2 жыл бұрын

Why should he..? Iraq is not part of Europe. And what about destruction of Tibet by Chinese and of Syria by (Putin's) Russia ?! UN is for that kind of talk... ☠️🇷🇺 🕳️ 🙏🇺🇦

Seriously, lmao at the devastating hypocrisy of Brexit Britain telling the EU who should be members. Get on your bike !

@felixheavier5478

2 жыл бұрын

You are kinda thick. Garton Ash spoke out about Brexit and ultimately is one person and not the UK incarnated . He is not Brexit Britain. Also the EU is not in the UK but frequently lectures the UK about Scottish and Northern Irish politics. The EU also lectures Switzerland about Swiss political issues. Why don't you get on your bike and peddle into the sea.

@artemisjuno

2 жыл бұрын

No, you get on your bike ! Britain is a part of Europe on any map and as a European country, we are quite entitled to have our say in what goes on since it affects all of us. Such dismissive attitudes as yours will land us all in Putin's soup.

@casteretpollux

2 жыл бұрын

@@felixheavier5478 Keep telling yourself that. Ash epitomises Brexitism. Nobody lectures you about Ireland. The EU expects you to honour the Treaty you signed. This girl reminds me of "Kuwait incubator babies" faker. The missile she described was Ukrainian. She oozes acting ability.

@aslampervez2294

2 жыл бұрын

@@felixheavier5478 @Abe campbell usa has been in war for 226 years out of 243 years of its existence. When European countries has stopped doing business with them. In fact when usa was invading Vietnam combodia laos iraq Afghanistan libiya Yemen Syria etc eu/European countries increase their trade during these periods and sent military support for usa invasions in many cases. Infact if usa was invading Ukraine EU countries would have increased their trade with usa and many European countries would have sent military to kill more Ukrainian. Your pain is how anyone else other than EU and its master usa can act to protect their country for security issues...

Blaming Germany fails to look at the complexity of ending this war.

@jansix4287

2 жыл бұрын

Complexity is not for the simple-minded.

@mohammedalnahyan4604

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, with all these weapons pouring into ukraine our biggest fear is that they fall into the wrong hands

@terry2276

2 жыл бұрын

And complexity is used as a rationale for an excuse.

@evolassunglasses4673

2 жыл бұрын

The NeoCons don't want this to end. The NeoCons destroyed the Middle East and will destroy Ukraine.

@aslampervez2294

2 жыл бұрын

@@jansix4287 @Abe campbell usa has been in war for 226 years out of 243 years of its existence. When European countries has stopped doing business with them. In fact when usa was invading Vietnam combodia laos iraq Afghanistan libiya Yemen Syria etc eu/European countries increase their trade during these periods and sent military support for usa invasions in many cases. Infact if usa was invading Ukraine EU countries would have increased their trade with usa and many European countries would have sent military to kill more Ukrainian. Your pain is how anyone else other than EU and its master usa can act to protect their country for security issues...

OK so where the hell does Europe suddenly get its energyy from from one day to the next?

Timothy Garton Ash speaking of double standards and using fabricated Nazi shaming against Germany is just disgusting.

@timothyrday1390

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to say, this guy is completely off his rocker.

Very little ideas about peace talks.

Germany should not be shamed for the West's, Ukraine's, and Russia's failure to come to a tolerable deal to end the 2014 crisis.

@marekkac7046

Жыл бұрын

They didn't want Ukraine in the NATO. So.... Yeah

I think there is a great delusion about Ukraine considering it a western democracy. It is an oligarch state much more similar to Russia than to Germany. While the EU struggles with the autocratic tendencies in Poland and Hungary and with the corruption in Romania and Bulgaria, should we really think that Ukraine is a model democracy? How naive is this? We thought that the heavy financial sanctions would put pressure on Russia, but it didn't. And a gas embargo won't either, since there is a heavily rising demand for gas worldwide, and Russia will easily be able to sell his gas to Asia instead of Europe. I'm all for good relations and solidarity with Ukraine and condemn this war from the bottom of my heart. But no, I don' t think that Ukraine is at the heart of the european democracy, and that we should sacrifice everything for it and risk a third world war.

@artemisjuno

2 жыл бұрын

Few people are under the delusion you mention but what we really object to is that Russia once more is attacking a neighbouring country in its usual brutal fashion. It is in all our interests to tether this particular manifestation of the Russian 'bear'. The sanctions will need six months to a year to properly bite and China is currently unable to help due to Covid. Somehow the Germans and others must cut their gas consumption and ruin his ability to pay.

@evolassunglasses4673

2 жыл бұрын

The elites in the West are not only going to destroy Ukraine but also Europe with thinking.

@irettx1394

2 жыл бұрын

that's a very reasonable and smart outlook!

@tomate3422

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe dismantling of Nord Stream 2 will do it, but nobody in Germany want it.

@slabart12

2 жыл бұрын

Who is saying Ukraine is a model democracy? Of course it's not if only because only 30 years ago it stopped being part of the totalitarian USSR. Ukraine has been moving towards the West for the last 20 yrs and they have been making progress in building a Western-style democracy. This is partly why they have been invaded by Putin who cannot tolerate this on his borders- Ukrainians might give a 'bad' example to the Russian people showing them that a different way of life is possible. There is no comparison between a highly imperfect democracy like Ukraine and Russia, which is slowly turning into a fascist-style dictatorship with imperialist ambitions. Ukrainians led by Zelensky are now fighting for their own survival as a nation, but also for a Europe free of tyranny. That's why we have to help them and give them all the weapons they need to defeat the invaders and preserve their independence.

This first speaker does not make any sense at all.

Germany's right, we must think in Europe's interest too.

@ricky1231

2 жыл бұрын

@Nikolle Zeinikolle You are absolutely correct , collapsing the German economy hence the EU economy would be harmful to all EU citizens including Europe’s ability to help rebuild Ukraine. Sanctions are over rated & they have never been shown to change political decisions of dictators ie Cuba, Iran, Zimbabwe, North Korea , Venezuela- German should not be blamed for Putin’s war . Europe is catering for about 5 million Ukrainians. If there is sharp economic contraction those Ukrainian refugees will be in a difficult spot too.

@tomate3422

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the best way is to wait and do not send weapons

@kahdijabarry7364

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. At the moment everything is done to benefits America

@Blanka1100

Жыл бұрын

Germany's best interest is to stop Putin in Ukraine. Ukraine is in Europe as well.

Please listen to John Mearsheimer he has good view on Russia Ukraine

Trump told Germany & Europe to get off Russian Oil & Gas & offered US supplies 4 years ago & they laughed..now Putin laughs

@ArashRezaee

2 жыл бұрын

And last winter they sold their LNG to Asia, you don't listen that there is not enough production.

I heard someone mentions a few days ago if the European Union was to drop the speed limit by 10 miles an hour that would make a huge difference in consumption

@winstoncat6785

2 жыл бұрын

The EU cannot drop any speed limits. Only the individual member states. Some already have. The Netherlands for instance, although that is much older and was due to severe air pollution. It is quite clear that a general speed limit of 100 km/h on all motorways and 80 km/h on major single lane roads, would save a huge amount of fuel (20-30%). Many argue against speed limits in Germany by claiming "it makes no difference". But they are talking about 130 km/h. Even 110 km/h vs 100 km/h makes a large difference. If it is done, it must be done properly.

@sjoormen1

2 жыл бұрын

From 30 ? Huge difference in consumption,

@federicos8082

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes that would really make a big difference, maybe we can stop the war entirely by using less toilet paper too

@The1DUIGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Just sounds like the safety-nannie’s found a new way to rationalize their desire to impose their freedom-hating restrictions on the masses and imbue their movement-clotting slowpoke driving habits with support for Ukraine…

@talibjalloh928

2 жыл бұрын

@@winstoncat6785 it is not petrol or diesel that's problematic but gas. Therefore, speedlimits across Europe will be a drop in the ocean...

The solution is diplomacy but not everybody says or really wants this.

@1984Scholsey

2 жыл бұрын

You can't be diplomatic when bombs are raining on your head.

@jeremyblank8590

2 жыл бұрын

Diplomacy is the solution. Europe and Russia need to negotiate a new security architecture. Wars in Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan have already set the precedent that countries have gotten away with wars aggression. The order established in 1945 failed to stop these kinds of wars.

@evolassunglasses4673

2 жыл бұрын

The panel is too pro war. The war is lost. The NeoCons destroyed the Middle East and will destroy Ukraine.

One of most important yardsticks , perhaps the best key for understanding the geopolitical situation in the world is: Follow the U.S. Military/Industrial/Congressional Complex. Unfortunately, the lady politician from Ukraine closes her eyes to this fact and assigns blame to major European countries for the troubles of her people. It is sad to see her making a childish/shortsighted/unrealistic statement claiming that Ukraine could have been a member of NATO long time ago if it were not for the objections of France and Germany.

@tomate3422

2 жыл бұрын

France was selling army equipment after embargo, did EU Kommission something?

Wolfgang Schmidt was very right to put this lady in place and ask why Ukraine hasn't stopped purchasing russian gas))

Yes when US attacked Libya I felt guilty when I bought any can of Coke because in this way I was financing the war...

Why does not the UK offer financial compensation for the cost Germany, Italy etc have to suffer if they cut off oil and gas imports? Let's share the pain!

@sarahelgenstierna2909

2 жыл бұрын

They have said they can help Germany with gas. USA also.

@1984Scholsey

2 жыл бұрын

Because we have already made the decision to support Ukraine and are already absorbing the market fluctuations ie taking the pain now its time for other members of Europe to choose their line in the sand.

Haki Abazi representing Kosovo kind of agreed w/ the German point of view also calling Ukrainian situation complicated even though many of his fellow countryman were also brutally killed. You may ask why would he go so easy on Germany? Answer is quite simple. Kosovo is trying to get into EU and who’s going to have a deciding vote about that? Germany! This is a definition of soft power for you and our hero Haki knows Germany has a lot of it so he is not going to shit where he eats and emphasize w/ Ukraine too much at a cost of German support. That’s geopolitics for you . Learn it, remember it & apply it daily. It doesn’t matter what happened before as it cannot be undone. What matters is what you can do for me TODAY & TOMORROW and the Kosovar had learned it well.

@pamcam4385

2 жыл бұрын

True!

As the German official mentioned, the gas flows west through Ukraine. If Ukraine thinks that the continued flow of gas is helping Russia then why don't they simply blow the pipeline?

@talibjalloh928

2 жыл бұрын

Ukraine want the Germans and the other E.U member states to do the decent thing, and keep their relationship strong...

I agree with Wolfgang Schmidt, when Timothy Ash talks about Germany winning the respect and admiration of the world he means the countries in NATO which are only a small percentage of the world. Much of the world opposes the Western response to this war but as always, the West pays no attention to them.

@katzensindweich3505

2 жыл бұрын

The whole world sides with Ukraine maybe not the administrations but the people.

@a.f.w.froschkonig2978

2 жыл бұрын

Germany is not the west. Holy Germany was the middle of the world for centuries. When times are changing it could be useful to remember that.

I am so sad that we the British have left the European Union. Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage unfortunately feels me with hate

@juliane__

2 жыл бұрын

a real and weird tragedy. I fear GB is being torn apart between the anglosphere and the eurosphere. I hope Ireland will reunite though. It has become just silly, how North Ireland can't match the one or the other. Mabe if NI prosperous within Ireland, more Brexiteers will ask themselves, if it was so wise to leave and lessen their support. Can't believe tearing up GB completely would be wise. But maybe would be beneficial for all, if it is done wisely. Maybe as a transformation into another entity without the glorius empire on it's back pulling it down.

Excellent panel and discussion. Everything needs to be done to stop this senseless and egoistic war.

@bobdeverell

2 жыл бұрын

The discussion failed to discuss the cause of the war. The EU is not Europe. This war can end quickly if Europe starts to accept the need for continent wide security. That must include Russia and all other players.

@timokohler6631

2 жыл бұрын

​@@bobdeverell Russia has been unreasonable in it's demands in this discussion, in essence what Putin wants is a "buffer zone" between Russia and Nato that has more inhabitants then Russia itself, it is ridicolous. Plus these people that Russia wants to be a security buffer simply don't want to be russias buffer zone, or anything else to russia.

@aslampervez2294

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobdeverell this war is manufactured by usa to fulfill its target best expressed by first Nato chief lord ismay in 1953" purpose of Nato is to keep Russia out,usa in and Germany down "

@aureliopedro1194

2 жыл бұрын

The strong idea that the position of puttin is based on is the west is tht civlized world is afraid of Nuclear escalation risk. If this trick works he is inclined repeating it in the future and the world is his hostage. Tell him that the west believes his people is not aware of threats and the eventual results. Sent drones with video of the killings deep in to Russia and more important explain to the Russian peoples that the west will (30 coutries) will counter attack with nukes and show that a the scenario to them. That is more effective because it will bring awareness to the people and will confront Russian Politics.

@maxwellchikara5925

2 жыл бұрын

so you stop a war by sending more weapons?

Germany & Biden were happy to proceed with Nordstream2 until just a few weeks ago

@Blanka1100

Жыл бұрын

Poland has been warning about NS2. Nobody listended.

very interesting debate and panel. very intense and passionate for sure. I truly felt Galina's pain and passion! I really have to say there are so many people with selfish interests. Many countries which are not standing up to do the RIGHT thing. I pray that those countries don't one day get invaded with a brutal war on their doorstep. PEACE

Was Greece mentioned in the context of high debt to GDP ratio?

@andrijasraga8319

2 жыл бұрын

Mmjjm

When it comes to war why are so few people in charge of so many ? Because none of us want the madness of war.

@normdyer94

2 жыл бұрын

Your point is very very important to the people; and one the politicians do not want ever talked about.

Timothy keeps comparing this war to Hitlers war. There is a huge difference and he seems like he forgot completely about it. Nuclear Russia and China . Hitler did not have Nuclear bombs Russia does have many of it.

@1984Scholsey

2 жыл бұрын

Hitler was months away from having a nuclear bomb.

@felixheavier5478

2 жыл бұрын

Germans justify their mercantilistic love of Russian hydrocarbons by hypocritically claiming they feel gulit about their tratment of the Russians but "forget" their treatment of the Ukrainians was worse. Germany can't use World War Two as a debating point and not expect other people to use it. Hypocrisy.

@weescottie463

2 жыл бұрын

People do seem to underestimate poo tin still. He has them and he might use them. He is out of control and cornered. Things don’t work out as planed and he does not want to leave without a victory. Before he retreats he will take whole Ukraine apart as much as he possibly can with nothing standing.

@aslampervez2294

2 жыл бұрын

@@weescottie463 @Abe campbell usa has been in war for 226 years out of 243 years of its existence. When European countries has stopped doing business with them. In fact when usa was invading Vietnam combodia laos iraq Afghanistan libiya Yemen Syria etc eu/European countries increase their trade during these periods and sent military support for usa invasions in many cases. Infact if usa was invading Ukraine EU countries would have increased their trade with usa and many European countries would have sent military to kill more Ukrainian. Your pain is how anyone else other than EU and its master usa can act to protect their country for security issues...

@Blanka1100

Жыл бұрын

Russian nukes it's a broken crap. Former Polish foreign minister Skorski said to Russia "Please do not threat us with your nukes more often than once in 6 months because it's getting boring". Russia's neighbours are used to those threats. It's Western Europeans who see Ukraine as a troublemaker and love blaming a victim for not wanting to surrender. They would be more than happy to go back to their comfort zone. But guess what? It's over. Western leaders and societies must pay for being blind for Russia's crimes for way too long. What did West do when Putin took Crimea? Nothing. Did West care about Georgia in 2008? No. And so on.

The war is all about the huge Yuzivska shale gas deposit in the Donbas (1.09 - 4 trillion metric metres of shale gas) - the second-largest shale gas deposit in Europe. The EU was interested in buying gas from Ukraine in order to diversify its suppliers and cut dependence on Russian gas. Ukraine has extensive gas storage facilities and pipelines, close to the EU, and such an arrangement would make a large dent in Gazprom's (Putin's) profits. Similarly, Crimea has large offshore gas deposits that Putin wanted. This war is all about Putin's Gazprom profits. That's why they are pulling back to defend Donbas. That's why Russia was funding the “separatists.

The second speaker was the only speaker worth listening too!

Thank you for having this multi point discussion. The complexity is an obvious aspect, but this is an extremely brutal situation on human being. So we do need an extremely determined actions even beyond current frame work in order to stop it. Otherwise, we will allow this atrocity happening globally and historically. My big regret is that I have overseen many similar situations in the different places on this planet in this several decades.

@8888LR

2 жыл бұрын

Western evil

@kkc2354

2 жыл бұрын

This is simple war. EUROPE must STOP being obedient lapdog of US NATO EXPANSION EAST.

As much as I sympathise with Ms Yanchenko's grief and anger it is crystal clear to me that the martial agressor himself, and he alone, is responsible for the atrocities inflicted, neither Germany, nor the EU or NATO. This brutality is not a natural disaster but the intended result of deliberate decisions made by human beings.

@tomate3422

2 жыл бұрын

Is Nord Stream 2 dismantled?

It makes me laugh.. these are the same countries laughed at Germany falling down in world war2 and now they want Germany to take responsibility of the west misinterpretation of world...

@artemisjuno

2 жыл бұрын

You make me laugh for your foolish interpretation of European history which you obviously do not understand.

The uk speaker is being hypocritical, (Iraq with Blair is still very fresh). Please note I am not a Putin fan, but why did Europe and nato not insist on implementing the Minsk treaty for the last few years, and now the world would not be in this mess. War is always bad and I do not support Russia invading Ukraine and my heart goes out for all the innocent people suffering in this war. Why did nato and now the eu push Russia to be in this situation. Will USA accept Mexico to be in military alliance of China or Russia, and what would America do if that happened ie China or Russia lining missiles pointing at Washington which could reach them in minutes, and my reference is Cuba, where USA were about to use nuclear weapon on Cuba for being a USSR base. World would be a peaceful place if USA and Russia stopped their proxy wars and aveling any opportunity for war, at the expenses of other countries but their own their soil. We need all wars to stop and it should have started with Korea, Vietnam, Palastine, Venezuela and other South American countries, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen and many more, now Ukraine, where inhuman atrocities have happened and have happen to women and children. Human life is valuable where it is European, African, Asian etc...war is alway sick and sad. It should always be the very last option after every channel has been exhausted, after all other options have been used. This is what we expect in 21 century and not fuel war at any opportunity, that we have experienced in the last 60 years. Look around the world and count how many wars have been since ww2 and the millions killed and suffered. STOP ALL WARS

@brigittecooper5272

2 жыл бұрын

Your comment is so insightful. Unfortunately the panel is not balanced but full of overblown egos.

@evolassunglasses4673

2 жыл бұрын

This war has been going on for 8 bloody years, 14,000 dead BEFORE the invasion. The NeoCons/ Victoria Nuland should never ever of backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 8 years ago that started this nightmare off. Panel was poor.

Wolfgang Schmidt claims they're not doing anything because they don t want to be responsible for Africans starving... This is spectacular. On top of that he keeps suggesting people who disagree with him lack the subtleties or capacity to understand complexity. Even going so far to suggest that TGA is in favour of a no fly zone. Does Wolfgang Schmidt intentionally do that or is that a coping mechanism?

@pascaltouray2434

2 жыл бұрын

What are you suggesting that Africa should surfer for something African is not responsible. The lady should stop pretending with emotion and accept the fact that the only way is peace period. They have to negotiate for peace.

@TorianTammas

2 жыл бұрын

@@pascaltouray2434 Putin can surrender any day and remove his invasion force. Everyone would welcome this.

@IanHague

2 жыл бұрын

The fallback position of Germany’s bungling SPD government is to say they know best and that the obstacles to behaving morally in the face of Russian barbarism are too complex to overcome. The lives and freedom of Ukrainians are worth 4% of GDP.

@joymattson8549

2 жыл бұрын

@@pascaltouray2434 I'm sorry, what reality are you living in? You think you can negotiate with Putin?? You are completely delusional.

@mickelodiansurname9578

2 жыл бұрын

@@pascaltouray2434 Africa is going to suffer anyway, unless you can think of a way where Russia and Ukraine continue to send wheat to them? Ukraine is also not responsible... there is only one nation responsible here and that guilt card will not work. It didn't work for Schmidt and it won't work for you, cos its complete nonsense anyway. Right now Africa cannot pay for Gas and please... look up how much Gas the EU exports to Africa... answer NONE AT ALL! Seriously playing the guilt card... is that what you are reduced to? Instead suggest using the money Germany saves on Gas to build more solar and wind, and if you like some of those solar plants can be built in Africa... they are short on gas alright, but not short on sun!

Timothy here is an English guy talking about Europe United while most of his people voted for Brexit! 😆😆😆😆

@teresahall8762

2 жыл бұрын

We haven't left the continent....we are still in the same place

@stereomtl9001

2 жыл бұрын

Europe are screwed and the EU project is over....when the tide recedes it will be revealed who is swimming naked.

@Stogs1980

2 жыл бұрын

Actually "most of his people" didnt. UK population 67 million. Electorate 46.5 million, turnout 72%. 16.1 million for remain, 17.4 million for Leave. So really approx 25% of the population voted leave. This idea that most of the UK voted for brexit is false, a lot of people didnt vote because they naively assumed it was a forgone conclusion that the country wanted to remain. Hence the appetite for a 2nd referendum.

@tumlili7129

2 жыл бұрын

And UK don t care about the Ukraine refugees, my Berlin center-borrow is full of them

@artemisjuno

2 жыл бұрын

Britain has always been a part of Europe. The people are descended from Germanic tribes including Vikings and Norman Vikings. The EU is a bureaucratic institution of a few years standing. We are and have always been European - remember the first and second world wars ?

Haki Abazi says the duty of democracy is to not let autocrats and despots rule. I wonder what that means, in practice. Promoting a foreign policy of regime change, invasion to topple dictators or what.

A federal Europe, with each member free to pursue their own fiscal, monetary and cultural policy, that has good relations with the Russian federation. Thats a future for the people, not for the elites.

@TorianTammas

2 жыл бұрын

Why exactly? Russia seems to have a habit to invade neoghbours, to threaten them and to turn them into Putin puppet regimes.

@IanHague

2 жыл бұрын

There is no such thing and there shouldn’t be, if Europe wants to remain free.

@willempasterkamp862

2 жыл бұрын

don't worry , war is over tomorrow and we will live as yesterday

@chrisrosenkreuz23

2 жыл бұрын

what you huffin, man? Russia can't exist without being authoritarian, u want relations with a thug like that? those kind of relations go one way.

@matthauslill4577

2 жыл бұрын

This would be also in my opinion a very promising road to go. But the europeans had to get rid again of the Euro and the EU had to be restructured and downgraded.

The Ukraine should remain a neutral buffer state and should not be enticed into NATO or into the EU. Nor should it be aligned with Russia of course. The Ukraine should trade with the whole world on its own terms, attract foreign investment and fight its own endemic corruption levels.

@katzensindweich3505

2 жыл бұрын

Ukraine is souvereign and if it wants to join the EU it should be given the chance. It can be an asset also for EU.

@markbrisec3972

2 жыл бұрын

Wishful thinking baby.. Ukraine will never sign a peace treaty with Russia without the US guaranteeing their security. And we're talking full on nuclear umbrella.. There is no more neutrality, that ship has sailed. And although Ukraine won't join NATO, maybe ever, some kind of Article 5 will have to be given to Ukraine for them to except peace.. And then we come to Putin who will never recognize Ukraine as a sovereign country.. There's a catch 22 if I ever seen one..

@BjorckBengt

2 жыл бұрын

Every democracy needs to be part of NATO or risk being attacked by Putin or Xi.

@atomhtwoo

2 жыл бұрын

It is their right to choose, and it not right to destroy their home and life with weapon like that, why you agree on the dead people in Ukraine, because they are not human like you or else?

@artemisjuno

2 жыл бұрын

The buffer state is a nonsense. Why does the largest country in the world, armed with innumerable nuclear bombs need a buffer state ? Answer: It doesn't. Russia wants to be the major power in the west just as China wants to ne No.1 in the east. They have decided it's a done deal and have actually announced their plans to the world a couple of months ago. Russia wants the ports, the oil ,the grain and the transport systems of the Ukraine and it is ludicrous to talk of 'the threat of nato' etc when countries who border Russia are desperate for protection against a tyrannical neighbour.

That young lady has more integrity than most of the other European male counterparts, she is totally admirable.

Are my ears functioning ok? Is a Brit telling Eu who they should let enter the European Union? When they themselves wanted out, not wanting to take the burden of the Union? Rather hypocritical. We can take moldova and georgia, and the Brits going their own way???

Germany does not want a nuclear war they are smart

Why she is focused on Germany? the country that after second world war was supposed to di-militarized.

Friends relative from Russia works in airline industry said that instead of ordering parts from EU directly, they now order through other countries like Turkey.

Tim is deluded into thinking that beefing up Ukraine fighting capability will speed up the end of the war. His view is a recipe for another 30 year war. The EU is proving a divisive concept that can never be a force for peace in Europe.

@mathiasschumacher7321

2 жыл бұрын

So what would be your solution?

@hfalex7703

2 жыл бұрын

@@mathiasschumacher7321 As i see the stakes are going up and up. First solution was to follow Minsk agreement, recognize republics as part of Ukraine and it would automaticly garant neutrality. Everybody would be more or less happy. Its gone Second solution after Russia recognized republics and signed mutual aid pact was to stop shelling of Donbass and probably signing another agreement. Its gone Third solution as i understand atm Russia wants independence of Novorussia and Donbass + Ukraine neutrality. At some point there wont be any solution at all. Ether Russia will invade Ukraine completly or we will have a nuclear war. PS I think USA and EU goal is too weaken Russia as much as possible, Ukraine is a cannon fodder. There wont be any negotiations. Maybe western Ukraine will be occupied by Poland.

@aslampervez2294

2 жыл бұрын

@@mathiasschumacher7321 @Abe campbell usa has been in war for 226 years out of 243 years of its existence. When European countries has stopped doing business with them. In fact when usa was invading Vietnam combodia laos iraq Afghanistan libiya Yemen Syria etc eu/European countries increase their trade during these periods and sent military support for usa invasions in many cases. Infact if usa was invading Ukraine EU countries would have increased their trade with usa and many European countries would have sent military to kill more Ukrainian. Your pain is how anyone else other than EU and its master usa can act to protect their country for security issues,,,,

@Blanka1100

Жыл бұрын

@@hfalex7703 Stop being ignorant and naive. If your country borders Russia being neutral is pure utopia. You can become Russia's victim like Ukraine, Russia's puppet like Belarus or Nato member state like Poland and soon to be Finland. Putin broke every deal he made and nobody should trust him anymore. Russia was supposed to respect Ukraine's independence and borders according to Budapest 1994 deal. Donbas belongs to Ukraine. Stop blaming a victim for defending itself and looking for help. Is Russia a special need baby? It's Russia which keeps invading its neighbours. Putin never cared for peace. Dictators like him always want more. He uses ethnic crap excuses the same way Hitler did. Being "nice" to Hitler in 1938 did not end up well either.

Ukrainians will remember who helped them in their hour of need and who didn’t. The future of Europe may pivot around it. Ukraine and Poland together may one day outweighs Germany in economic heft in Europe.

@jansix4287

2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly what the French said when they started to bomb Libya (without Germany’s support). The Libyans will remember who helped them and brought them freedom and democracy as well as peace and prosperity! 🇫🇷🤝🇱🇾☝️🇩🇪

@katzensindweich3505

2 жыл бұрын

Not only Ukraine. The whole world is watching.

@a.f.w.froschkonig2978

2 жыл бұрын

So we will beg them to fund us ? Not during the chancellory of Scholz and the reign of Putin. But may become necessary one day if we continue to follow harebrained angloamerican advice.

@felipe-vibor

2 жыл бұрын

@@jansix4287 unfortunately the opposite happened and Libyan statehood was destroyed as a result. The outcome of this war is already visible and Ukraine will be destroyed as well.

@tumlili7129

2 жыл бұрын

There is a special military fund of 2 Billions, only for support the Ukraine

Where do you see..... after???

Englanders always had high quality dark humor

Yeah. I guess that it was quite enough a real discussion.

W. Schmidt mokes about famous scientist in oekonomic. Sadly he is the key-conseiller of chancler scholz.

World leaders need to put their citizens interests before their own. I find it odd that psych evaluations are necessary for certain careers, but not for these high positions of power.

@pamcam4385

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, anybody in power for 30 years would go off their rocker. There is a very good case for 8-10 years or two terms - no more- and then off they go.

If you have a solution for europs energy than please provide

@chrisrosenkreuz23

2 жыл бұрын

It's called bio-gas and it's already in place within the infrastructure, just not widely used yet. For example one source of this bio-gas can be the smoke that arises when burning any sort of naturally flammable material. The only difference is the geometry of the furnace: there is such a thing called a rocket stove which basically recycles the smoke from a regular fire, feeding it through the burning chamber once again, thus (mostly) eliminating the pollutants in it. The fire will burn crazy hot and will produce a very high output.

@albertdittel8898

2 жыл бұрын

They have a solution: buying more US and Saudi gas - and financing the regime which commited exactly the same crime as Putin is commiting now (i.e. war of aggression against Iraq) and the regime which commits a war of aggression against Yemen right now.

@suminshizzles6951

2 жыл бұрын

Restart the nuke plants in germany. Ration gas in germany to the point that the population there has to reduce intake. Limit its use. Ramp up "green" energy production 100 fold. In the short term germany will suffer as do all nations that rely on russian gas. The US cavalry will have ro ramp up LPG production and gain morally doing so.

Thank you.

Timothy was a wonder speaker, he is right.

As unpleasant as the thought is, couldn't Germany start up her nuclear electricity generators for a short time. I hate the thought but it might ease the energy deficite.

@Henry-jv9rc

2 жыл бұрын

Do you know how complicated it is, to restart those nuclear plants? You can not swich then off and on like conventional generators

@tumlili7129

2 жыл бұрын

Thats technical not possible !!!!!

@Liguehunters

2 жыл бұрын

The Problem is not electricity the Problem is gas for heating, cooking and Industry

@garrydimasa1964

2 жыл бұрын

It takes years and if they switch off the gas right now, where do you suppose they get their energy?

@talibjalloh928

2 жыл бұрын

As we speak they have only three nuclear plants in operation. 14 have been decommissioned... Stupid knee-jerk reaction by Angela Merkel...

There's no time to learn to believe in remote viewing.. I can hardly believe in it myself

Good to finally have a chance to listen to Wolfgang Schmidt, I found him quite convincing!

@sx8044

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm.... Wouldn't say so

How can be Germany responsibility for the war between Russia federation and Ukraine?

@Blanka1100

Жыл бұрын

Germany has been putting busssines with Putin over values and refused Ukraine's Nato membership in 2008.

Well-spoken and it seems Germany quickly needs to swallow its bitter pill.

@jansix4287

2 жыл бұрын

No, we don’t. Everything is fine.

@katzensindweich3505

2 жыл бұрын

@@jansix4287 Germany is comming across very, very coldhearted and arrogant which is bad for an export oriented country.

@markbrisec3972

2 жыл бұрын

Germany has a guilt syndrome engraved deeply in their psyche, but it's about time to end this BS. Japan managed to overcome their sense of guilt when faced with the reality of a belligerant China. It's about time for Germany to fully wake up..

@elmercy4968

2 жыл бұрын

@@katzensindweich3505 Ah, so this is why nobody buys Chinese wares.

I don't know why Germany is using the fact that it is more industrialised than Britain to justify its demand for energy. German industry (for instance its motor industry), along with a blind "free trade" policy of the UK government, out-performed UK industry. Britain's motor industry was destroyed in the 1960s (partly by socialist suicide, partly by customer preference). Moreover, we used to have a huge truck industry. This is now entirely gone, replaced by European imports. Two things facilitated the rise of Germany to dominance in industry, and the motor industry in particular. 1) European Peace and Security, paid for by the USA, in particular. 2) Cheap energy deals, with our military adversaries, notably Russia. When I look at German motor cars, I wonder if they really need to be quite so high-spec. The crowning glory of the British motor industry (when we had one) was the Mini. This car was borne out of (post Suez) fuel shortages (as an improvement over 1950's "bubble cars"). But it was principally cheap motoring for the masses and by accident, it later became a fashion icon. So it is possible to to have a motor industry "on the cheap". In present circumstances, high end German cars are an indulgence, an indulgence which pays dividends for Russia,

@timokohler6631

2 жыл бұрын

The Reason he is using the fact was certainly not to hurt your feelings, it is also not just high end car but also machines, robots, chemicals, drugs, electricals, plastics, metalworks ect. The reason he mentioned is is to put the studies that are based on british models in context, in the UK a sudden Energy shortage would have far less damaging effects then in Germany because it is highly industrialised. Highly industrialised does not just mean higher demand for energy, it also means that a shortage will cause more damage for employers and employees.

@tumlili7129

2 жыл бұрын

Germany is much more industrialised than UK

@evolassunglasses4673

2 жыл бұрын

We destroyed our manufacturing base by letting international finance move our manufacturing base to China.

@talibjalloh928

2 жыл бұрын

What are you on about? It is fact that Germany is more industrialized than U.K. Germany is more susceptible to a oil and particularly gas embargo than U.K. You were angry that he stated the fact, it's also true Britain has a bigger financial sector. Talking about the Marshall plan post World war 2, the U.K. had a bigger chunk of that U.S aid than Germany.

The surprising thing is that while the US was arming the Ukraine to re-conquer the Donbaz, Germany increased the dependence of Russian gas. Did nobody wonder, what would happen, when the Ukraine gets strong enough to overrun the Russians in Donbaz? Sometimes politicians are hard to understand.

@ymir5468

2 жыл бұрын

Germans thought until the end, that US and UK would back off on provoking the russians in Ukraine eventually. Maybe they believe in flying pigs as well.

@djholliday5132

2 жыл бұрын

Obama allowed Putin to begin construction of the Nord Stream II Pipeline in US waters....and Biden re-started it day #1, after Trump shut it down. Biden is complicit in injury to the Ukraine economy and supply. Trump had the US independent of foreign energy...Biden has destroyed that. Germany will join with Russia, as they did in the beginning of WWII. The blood is still on their hands. Mark my words.

@r3fre5h_iwnl

2 жыл бұрын

Why can't I see the replies? Who says that germany is increasing its dependence on Russian gas?

Rand Corporation published document, 2019 - ‘Overextending and Unbalancing Russia’

I think you’re being optimistic to assume that there’ll be anything or anyone left when this is over.

A great panel....a strong and eloquent exchange of blunt ideas and opinions. Thanks !!!

@8888LR

2 жыл бұрын

Putin fighting globalist cabal

@evolassunglasses4673

2 жыл бұрын

Ukraine is only winning on Tik Tok.

Why so few comments on this symposium?

And I guess it just goes to show that people who sound smart don't always say very smart things when you look at things in the rear view mirror

Restart the nuclear plants and buy electric vehicles, that would go a long way toward insuring your energy security.

@tumlili7129

2 жыл бұрын

Thats technical not possible!

Galina new jersey loves n supports you, stay strong

Countries should not want to brag about every time they help Ukraine , that is what Biden is doing and it is foolish ... You just help , not brag as well .

Why not invite Ukraine & Russia to join Nato with security guarantees in place for everyone? The war would stop immediately

@mark-o-man6603

2 жыл бұрын

Sure. Help me out...How does Nato-membership help with "de-nazifying Ukraine"? Just like Hitler Putin wanted war no matter what the others were doing or not.

Stày sad then!

A Brit advising EU... LOL

@artemisjuno

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps you are too young to know that Britain entered WW2 on behalf of Poland and last time I looked, Britain was still part of Europe. Perhaps you think Europe means the EU ?

The most important to be noted from this powerful and painful discussion is, that Putin has created wide rift between the people of Russia and Ukraine who both have very powerful cultural ties which today. lie shattered due to the autocratic leader who fails to see the consequences of his action and the widespread misery and destruction that it is causing. The psychological trauma which the Russians and Ukrainians will Witness will be beyond comprehension . The Ukrainians seeing the unaffected Russian cities and the Russians when they see the havoc they have caused will create a bitterness that will be greater than the c\economic loss to the two countries . Once the conflict is over the victors and vanquished should sit together and chalk out their own destiny by healing the wounds . The leaders on both the sides are to blame . Post conflict we will need leaders with Humanism as their core values should be grounded in Liberalism and Democracy.

@osmanjerry3272

2 жыл бұрын

You have very good intentions but you miss the root cause of this conflict. You should let Islam be Islam, and Christian be Christian. This is how they grew up, it’s meaningless to find faults in either one, only making grudges grew by the day.

Cool video

Wow I think this is good- grandson

If this world ends it will end regardless of what I do.

@evolassunglasses4673

2 жыл бұрын

It's because millions of people think like that, that we are in this mess.

Russian gas facilities would seem to be a prime target.

and peace, where is peace, because the was dates from 2014, and it is needed to define it. and to define differrent situation, the molvadian situation for instance. Im portuguese, in the 90s ukranians were immigrants in pt, and lots of them did not have passports, because they were from russian stock, it is need to solve that problems, they are not recent.

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe” and, I will add British hypocrisy!

The Ukrainian panelists remarks are riveting and makes the argument that stands in judgement over all other arguments. She’s quite correct fear prevails with western governments.

@jansix4287

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think the West is very frightened when they see, what even their lightest weapons can do against the Russian army.

You give it everything you've got. Leave me out.

Stop this woman

Bravo Mr. Ash.

No weapons. Surrender and negotiation

@normdyer94

2 жыл бұрын

All goof people of the earth should surrender completely to the most evil person who comes along.

Germany is a force for good in today's world and exemplary democracy. But we should not forget history. Looking at past several centuries one can see that most important partnership in continental Europe is between Germany and Russia. They have (almost) always come to an agreement and others have suffered, especially Poland and Ukraine. In modern history just look at Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (better to call it Hitler-Stalin pact). In older history: Russian empress Catherine the Great is actually German, born as Sophie of Anhalt-Zerbst. It just makes common sense for other nations of Central and East Europe to be somewhat suspicious of German motives, not to talk of Russian motives. We definitely need new "cordon sanitaire" against Russia.

Brilliant debate……. Let’s hope that it has a positive impact !

Some of the academic commentary is myopic. As long as experts are filled with admiration, all will be well.

After this discussion German stance in my eyes diminished a bit.

הרצאה מעולה מרחיבת דעת שאין כמוה

What happens after Europe’s war against Russia?

Politically correct drivel

It saddens me that we seem to have lost all unity. Just as Putin predicted. RIP Ukraine. :/ We need to push HARD against Putin.

@evolassunglasses4673

2 жыл бұрын

The war has been going on for 8 bloody years, 14,000 dead BEFORE the invasion. The Russian minority gets constantly shelled particularly by the ruthless NeoNazi group AZOV BATTALION armed by Nato. Nato has been surrounding Russia for decades and using Ukraine particularly Nazh AZOV to destabilise Russia. Russia has been slow to act, America would of acted after 8 hours. The NeoCons/ Victoria Nuland should never ever of backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 8 years ago that started this nightmare off. The NeoCons are just using Ukraine. The NeoCons destroyed the Middle East and will end up destroying Ukraine. Please watch the documentary up on Rumble called UKRAINE ON FIRE to understand how we got here.

@sofiam6845

2 жыл бұрын

You must stop supporting Ukraine.

I think we as NATO European Union whoever else have to take a heavy hand in this and insist because of our own enforceable defensive measures... that Ukraine submit to concessions and give up previous stated Russian desired land..... required before we give them further assistance...... inviting Russia to call that good.... for the good of all.... and leave in peace... For now because it can always only be for now.... Who knows someday we might have hypersonic missiles also.. but we sure as hell shouldn't overlook this exploding elephant in the room.

High price of energy,serve to enable others to peddle their forms of energy which will seem legit,once the price reaches an even keel and suddenly deems ok to pay those exorbitant prices for the same😄😄😄😄😄

Amazing panel. 🇨🇦

Good good positive conversations in these critical moment to make a change and God bless you all

So so much respect for Timothy Garton Ash thank you sir thank you.

More more weapons, that's all they want...