I find it relaxing to take my time to write in cursive, even copperplate. Everything today moves so fast, but from time to time it's great to give yourself time to improve on the things you like. I'm 32 and I'm writing birthday letters to my friends, make them fold in different ways and seal them with wax lol. Sucker for beautiful writing.

@andreineagu.online

Жыл бұрын

Copperplate și Spencerian mi se par greu de imitat după ani întregi în care m-am obișnuit să scriu cu litere "de tipar".

@andreimicle

Жыл бұрын

@@andreineagu.online nu am scris print niciodata, decat de incercare. In scoala doar cursiv ne-au predat si e destul de usor stilul. Copperplate e mai complicat ca nu poti scrie rapid si trebuie sa ai grija la fiecare linie descendenta. Inca scriu felicitari de La multi ani de mana si le sigilez cu ceara.

My mother learned cursive in the early 1940s in WV, and she learned Palmer, and had beautiful, textbook Palmer handwriting her entire life. My father grew up in PA at the same time, and he learned Mills. Their handwriting styles were decidedly different and unique, but equally elegant and beautiful. I learned cursive in WV in the 1970s, and we used some horrible method that did not emphasize "arm writing". It was painful to learn, lead to hand cramps, and horrible hand writing. I've struggled my entire life to have nice handwriting, in spite of the school system. I took up calligraphy in High School thinking it would help. I mastered many beautiful historical calligraphy styles, and developed several unique styles of my own over the years. But my handwriting is still horrible. Not nearly as bad as it was when I was a teenager, but it's nowhere near as refined, smooth, and elegant as my parent's. I've made it one of my "bucket list" goals to re-train my hand, arm, and brain to the Palmer Method, and actually have my mother's old practice books to study from and work on. Hopefully in the next few years, I can develop a much more legible and elegant handwriting style like my parents had. Your video was very informative, and although I disagree with some of your premises about the evolution of American Penmanship, the information and photos you. provide in this video were VERY informative and instructive. Thanks!

@PerfectBiscuits

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching.

@thegonzalezs4953

8 ай бұрын

I’m trying to learn the Spencerian style myself, I never learned cursive at school, cause they never thought it in our school, we recently found my wife’s grandparents letters and everything is in cursive and is beautiful, so I decided to learn them , I been learning like 3 weeks now and I think im doing ok 😊.

That's a pretty good and helpfull explanation. I wish I had saw a explanation like this months ago when I started learning. This is the video version of the famous IAMPETH piece of Pointed Pen Styles from Dr. Vittolo! The best way to learn something is to organize it on our mind first. I know this will be a great resource for students. Your work on Consistent Cursive course is fantastic. Keep Going!

The lettering samples provided are great! Much enjoyment. Many thanks.

Love your videos and all the information you provide. I met Michel Sull a year ago at his studio which happens to be/was across my workplace which I found out after a year of following him.

I never saw when this got first posted. Great breakdown man! Will be sharing this when people ask me 😊

@PerfectBiscuits

3 жыл бұрын

“If you realllly want to know, watch this video” lol

@MrMGWard

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerfectBiscuits lol exactly!

In many of your examples, r's are written two different ways. I was taught to write an r as displayed in the Ford logo (although not as common as the other way).

This was very interesting. I learned cursive in grade school on the 1970s & was wondering which one it was. Watching this I learned we were taught the Bailey method. I still use cursive but I want to work on making it neater. 🙂

@PerfectBiscuits

6 ай бұрын

Found the Canadian!

@jsapcakrrow

6 ай бұрын

@@PerfectBiscuits sorry, born & raised in Florida 😉

@PerfectBiscuits

6 ай бұрын

Interesting. Bailey was Canadian and his book was popular there. You’re the first American I’ve heard of learning his method. Maybe your school superintendent was Canadian or something. Regardless they had good taste as Bailey was one of the best.

This has very well explained this period of cursive writing. Cursive is not generally taught in schools today. Maybe I learned in the twilight of cursive writing in America before computers were ubiquitous. I have just started to take my penmanship seriously and it seems to be a blend of the business forms of cursive. My natural style will switch between these schools depending on my mood and tasks. Interesting. Is arm movement necessary to learn the Spencerian style? It seems difficult to learn.

@PerfectBiscuits

2 жыл бұрын

No you don't need to use arm movement for Spencerian. Lots of calligraphers write Spencerian without arm movement. If you're trying execute Spencerian the way it was originally taught, then you'll need to use some arm movement.

@mikefredd3390

2 жыл бұрын

@@PerfectBiscuits Thanks. I’ll quit worrying about it. My thumb does gets cramped though.

@ajs11201

2 жыл бұрын

@@PerfectBiscuits Actually, some arm movement is important if the goal is to preserve the fluidity of writing while also achieving a modicum of speed. One thing you didn't mention is the fist for holding the pen. When they stopped teaching cursive in the public school system, they also stopped teaching children how to hold their pen--and the handwriting is horrid as a result. Today's young adults have such illegible and painful writing that they may as well write with their feet and toes.

Good health is reason for the whole arm movement. If we are going to teach cursive, teach from the perspective of a long-term investment. Good penmanship is a long-term investment.

Good history

I have some sort of gonzo Palmer script with shading I basically cobled together. I really have to learn the lower case ‘z’ as I now use a small capital But that looks too much like an R. I really love Spencerian, I’m having my pen reground so I can do the hair lines Flex nib fountain pens are nice but they can’t make the thin lines needed. I never knew how much I love my pen untill it had to be sent away for weeks.. I feel like an addict without his meth haha

@dylanneely91

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know how useful this is to you but in nearly every script I've come across its the same as the capital z except it tops out at the lower-case height (1/2-1/3 the height of capitals depending) and the loop thats usually at the baseline is ommited

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Which business penmenship should I practice if I plan to change my left handed writing position such that it's mirror to the right handed writing and I pull the pen towards me rather than push it across the page.

@PerfectBiscuits

3 жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter which one you practice. None of them will teach that left-handed method, so you'll basically have to figure that out on your own.

@thulegezelschap5884

2 жыл бұрын

Write with both and left at the same time. Then the mirror one is ‘automatic’ Lot’s of time and weed made me find this out

Where can I learn about the mills?

@jameswerkheiser4224

2 жыл бұрын

IAMPETH: E.C. Mills' "Modern Business Penmanship"

Q: While hearing and listening to your commentary, did not Madaracs use a straight nib holder while creating artful flourishing?

I think she was teaching us Business Penmanship-or at least what of it she learned from her grandmother.

@PerfectBiscuits

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, it was probably Business Penmanship and the most common program was the "Palmer Method". The only other thing I can think of would be "Italic Cursive", but that would look very different than BP/Palmer Method.

@CynthiaPrice79

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerfectBiscuits the salient features were very distinct slanted lines and arcs with sharp corner. You didn’t swoop, so much as pull down, stop, then go into your next stroke, so there are sharp corners where you change direction. I don’t know if I’m describing that well, but I can’t find better words.

@CynthiaPrice79

3 жыл бұрын

Also, the upstrokes of ‘p’ and ‘r’ go above the middle line.

@jameswerkheiser4224

2 жыл бұрын

Your description sounds like italic

I believe Copperplate preceded Spencerian

@PerfectBiscuits

8 ай бұрын

Yes it did.