PAKEHA - A Maori documentary film from New Zealand

Who are we, to tell their stories?
A German film student travels to New Zealand to authentically capture Maori culture. Europeans and New Zealanders he meets all have an opinion about the Indigenous people and their relationship with "Pakeha" - the "white" population of Aotearoa (New Zealand). "We take good care of the Maori", they say. At the same time many Maori are homeless or build roads for the post colonial inhabitants. An Indigenous professor denounces that Maori often do not get a voice themselves. "Reorganise your lens", she suggests the director. And so the story takes an unexpected turn.
This bachelor thesis movie was produced and directed by Dorian Barbera: dorianbarbera.de
©2021

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  • @linden5165
    @linden5165 Жыл бұрын

    To me, Pākehā means a New Zealander with European ancestry but a family history in the country. For those who are visitors, or who live here but were born elsewhere and have their family elsewhere I'd use the term tauiwi. That's how I was taught anyway. It does take a great deal of time and reflection to weave together knowledge. You can't just arrive, capture it and take it away, it just doesn't work that way. The tourist experience of culture is just a glimpse.

  • @julianalderson3938

    @julianalderson3938

    Жыл бұрын

    I dont know. Am pakeha, born but yer as ive learnt more n lived n known moari people. I feel accepted bit always a pakeha. Thats ok but kinda sux. Thanx

  • @user-gk3jk2wr4u

    @user-gk3jk2wr4u

    6 ай бұрын

    Can he also interview Chatham islanders....interestong what happened to them after Maori hijacked a ship and paid them a visot....best not talk aboit it I guess....does not fit the narrative.

  • @dobbynp

    @dobbynp

    3 ай бұрын

    I'm not a Pakeha......I'm a European or white New Zealander

  • @Tutehanga

    @Tutehanga

    Ай бұрын

    @@dobbynp which is pakeha in Maori, it's just a translation.

  • @dobbynp

    @dobbynp

    Ай бұрын

    @@Tutehanga except it's often used in a way which is less that respectfully so I don't use it and I don't like it.

  • @AlxnderNZ
    @AlxnderNZ2 жыл бұрын

    The filmmaker traveled a long way to get a story. He truly got a better story than he could have ever imagined. So many layers to see if he can see them.

  • @dorianbarbera7972

    @dorianbarbera7972

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, that means a lot to me! 🙂

  • @chrisgriffin9164
    @chrisgriffin9164 Жыл бұрын

    I get insulted when someone puts me in the same pot as the English. I am born here 6 generations, blood is Irish and Scotland, the English blood runs in the Americans and Australians. not mine. just because we are all white should not mean we are of the same cloth. same for Europeans from South Africa, Sweeden, Switzerland, Germany, South Africa, etc etc. etc.

  • @nzbrotrev9028

    @nzbrotrev9028

    Жыл бұрын

    Same here , the English stole our land and killed a lot of our people , it was the Crown that took the land , not white people.

  • @Badest187

    @Badest187

    7 ай бұрын

    Yes your correct 👍 i got heaps of english broz good people! I think its more british the maori have a problem with lol If your born in new zealand we all one unity brother shake 🙌

  • @dobbynp

    @dobbynp

    3 ай бұрын

    It's good to be a proud New Zealander......but only white people deny their heritage......which is a rich cultural background. Embrace whatever you are besides being proud as a kiwi

  • @arnoldl8705

    @arnoldl8705

    Ай бұрын

    Scots and to a lesser extent irish were completely on board with british colonisation. Pulling the irish card is literally a meme in America

  • @dobbynp

    @dobbynp

    Ай бұрын

    @@arnoldl8705 I think it's sad that people take on grievances from 100 years or more and act like they personally suffered. While colonisation wasn't good for native populations when it happened.....in the long term they are better off with medicine, technology etc

  • @daphnekaa4307
    @daphnekaa43072 жыл бұрын

    Ah well, another story that misses the mark, highlights the lack and still gives a definition of pakeha that shows the lesson has not been learnt. This is a German documenting in ‘New Zealand’… Nga mihi ki nga whanau hei awhi i a ia. Tihei mauriora!

  • @dobbynp

    @dobbynp

    2 ай бұрын

    yeah because Germans aren't allowed to research New Zealand history right?

  • @stephenlennon7369
    @stephenlennon73692 жыл бұрын

    What a quackup especially listening to that old Pakeha woman saying "they looked after Maori well for 200 years 😳 🤣🤣

  • @lennifrost2006

    @lennifrost2006

    2 жыл бұрын

    Just be thankful New Zealand wasn't colonized by the China as any idiot knows the Maori are still a fuck load better off than the Uyghur or Tibetans.

  • @kalanimaiokalani

    @kalanimaiokalani

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly! What an ignorant person she is ...

  • @chinascholar4164

    @chinascholar4164

    Жыл бұрын

    Get fucked these aren't Maori they're Half Castes.

  • @jamarltito2969

    @jamarltito2969

    Жыл бұрын

    She don't know much for a woman of her age I think..no I know

  • @dobbynp

    @dobbynp

    5 ай бұрын

    well they made sure that Maori didn't eat each other

  • @NativeCaesar
    @NativeCaesar Жыл бұрын

    6:10 "I think we looked after the maoris very well" 🤦holy hika

  • @Philly-lq6zr

    @Philly-lq6zr

    4 ай бұрын

    Not just natives on the ika and the waka , native hori , on OZ ,native Indians, ,native islanders , native China, native Japan, native Indians, ,native African, , native ,Canada, native South America , we natives are been well looked after , BY FRICKEN POLICIES, ,😮 all bombed and gunned down with ammo, ,gave bible stole land , corrupt leaders , all happened 1840s , a world War ONE WORLD ORDER , SLAVERY FOR THE RICH , GREEDY FAMILIES, and is the same happening today ALOT OF PEOPLE'S DO NOT REALIZED , THEY BEEN RIPPED 9FF THEIR WHOLE LIFE , MANIPULATED BRAINWASH ,INTO THE BRITTISH ROYALTY PIRATES , AND AMERICAN DEMOCRATS, CHURCHES , BANKS, , CORPORATIONS, POLICIES, ,MILITARY, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, POLICE, ALL STOLEN MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR WARS AND BENEFITS ,FOR THEM TO RULE CONTROL THE WORLD, BRAINWASH PEOPLE'S FOR THEM TO TERRORISM TREASON, AND HOSTAGE PEOPLE'S LIVES WITH POLICIES, THESE BUSINESS ARE MARITIME ADMIRALTY POLICIES , WE AND ALL NATIVES ARE THE LAND OWNERS WE ARE THE LAWS , ,, SEARCH THE DIFFERENCE, WE ALL NATIVES ARE BEING HOSTAGE PRISON ON THE LAND , CESTEI QUI VEI, IS THE STSTEM , SEARCH , HOW LONG THE INVISIBLE CHAIN, THE TREAT IS ABOUT REVALATION, WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE,,, GOD HAS RETURN HE IS NATIVE , , The movie jason bourne and wizard of oz , explains it , just watch it , CESTEI QUI VEI, , even these Europeans are slaves 😅😅😅, , Be native, not Maori that Europeans gave , we native have name of tribe a whanau name , , John wanoa he explain this ,

  • @chrisroger4416

    @chrisroger4416

    3 ай бұрын

    true pakeha did improve life span of maori from 30 years old to 60... and stopped you eating each other and stopped the genocide of moriori

  • @Tutehanga

    @Tutehanga

    Ай бұрын

    @@chrisroger4416 Lol where can I sign up to your crash course research on the history of Maori?

  • @karalotamanicagi7483
    @karalotamanicagi74832 жыл бұрын

    Great And Wonderful clip.

  • @dorianbarbera7972

    @dorianbarbera7972

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! 🙂

  • @karlholloway1634
    @karlholloway1634 Жыл бұрын

    Kia ora , i have listened to the comments of the elderly pakeha women , yes she is right these things happened 200 years ago , and still our people are suffer from colonizaton . She may believe what she see"s as a pakeha women , in that Pakeha have done Maori people right. I would like to know what she means by that. Because i have seen nothing of that in my 49 years living here in Aotearoa . There are many issue"s that still need to be sorted , and if there are people out there that don"t belive that , then they are another issue that needs to be sorted.

  • @chrisroger4416

    @chrisroger4416

    3 ай бұрын

    akeha did improve life span of maori from 30 years old to 60... and stopped you eating each other and stopped the genocide of moriori. pakeha brought horses which maori thrived from and brought much needed food such as pigs because all maorin had to eat was moa and fish. the moa now extinct

  • @dobbynp

    @dobbynp

    3 ай бұрын

    The only colonization you suffer is in your own mind because you are weak and blame your weaknesses on others. Warriors indeed!!!

  • @karlholloway1634

    @karlholloway1634

    3 ай бұрын

    @@chrisroger4416 What nationality are you ?

  • @karlholloway1634

    @karlholloway1634

    3 ай бұрын

    @@chrisroger4416 Pakeha brought sickness do you know how many Maori died due to the filth they brought here , and you say they stopped the genocide , how?, through killing men women and children so they could lay claim to their land , Aotearoa history obviously is not part of your strength e tama Tika ?, Teka ranei . you know little if your argument is in support of the crown , haere atu e tama.

  • @AnnaliaHoward
    @AnnaliaHowardАй бұрын

    I know the guy on the title screen of this video.....Shaun my bro 😢...is he homeless in Auckland city????

  • @AlxnderNZ
    @AlxnderNZ2 жыл бұрын

    13:05 YESSSSSS!!!!!! Well said. The filmmaker who actually included this amazing woman’s wider point in his final edit has made a rare and controversial decision indeed. The invention of the word “Sovereignty” may have interesting occulted etymology. The concept of sovereignty being a thing that can be bought and sold is by definition an oxymoron. This is surely the ultimate example of “word magic” or “spells”.

  • @teawaruaedwards274

    @teawaruaedwards274

    5 ай бұрын

    Pakeha misconception of KAWANATANGA. The Maori translation of the treaty has been ignored and misinterpreted.

  • @user-ch7sf7id6i

    @user-ch7sf7id6i

    2 ай бұрын

    @@teawaruaedwards274 Rubbish...And going over and over and over it 200 years later is not solving anything. we need to draw a line in the sand and stop anymore payouts. i live in Wellington CBD and have never seen the wealthy iwi helping their own with their addictions or hunger. It's disgraceful. And it is mixed cultures who belong to the salvation army etc helping them, not their own people. Who is maori...sadly there is no one who can claim to be 100 % maori left like some other cultures. The germans are responsible the language we know today as english, from medievil england, they split into the celts, pics etc and fought amongst themselves.. and so it goes on, The waste of money spent in government on meetings re te reo etc is incredible and then the maori descendants in the meetings don't always agree with each so then there are more meetings for meetings for meetings instead of getting on and runny the country. The amount of time wasted in these meeting is a huge cost to the taxpayer when the money could be spent on health ,education etc.

  • @DaveanaVanderhilst
    @DaveanaVanderhilst18 күн бұрын

    Kiwi pakeha born and bred.. ended up in Aussie and had 2 beaut kids but have told them when they go back they are white..not pakeha..they keep asking the difference and i don't knpw..it's all about respect i think-i was taught to count in Maori at same time as 'english' & colours and as much as my mum didn;t like it as i'd been away a while, i learnt the national anthem in maori (sounds good in any language!) My children are Australian and are now very interested in why I identify as "pakeha". I said i just do.. for me it's respect..They're Australian children..god bless but i said have a look at your home space here.. i know it's not perfect back home but am always proud ps they are teenagers who think they know everything..a pakeha isn't just a "white person"- the 17 yr old got on google. I don't know how to teach them what is in my heart..I would like advice, haha

  • @Keutee
    @Keutee2 жыл бұрын

    “Unfortunately in this modern age they keep bringing it up”… well pakeha, how would u feel if someone came stole your land and claimed it as their own.. would u learn to accept it? Or teach your kids about the wrong doings, and injustices that occured?

  • @101sharko

    @101sharko

    2 жыл бұрын

    Your people sold most of it.!! The love of blankets and guns was strong with the Maoris. And what did they ever do with the land? Grow a few south American sweet potatoes

  • @Keutee

    @Keutee

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@101sharko HAHAHA someones lacking basic knowledge of New Zealand and Aotearoa history. Also, not sure if you know the difference between Te Tiriti O Waitangi and The Treaty of Waitangi?

  • @101sharko

    @101sharko

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hahaha we know our history very well. Ours was written down! What would Maoris do if there wasn't a treaty?? It's the only thing you hold onto and cherish, and it's a white man's idea and document ! How funny is that 🤣 you're welcome by the way for our pioneering ancestors to create your language then create a rushed treaty in just 3 days ( try doing something like that now, it would never stand up in the court of law!) Then teach your tribal leaders to write their signature, then get them to sign it. You should be thanking us for going out of our way! We could have been more like the Australians but seeing as we had you beat some fool thought it would be a good idea to try and save you from complete annihilation. And it worked,,... so say thank you...

  • @Keutee

    @Keutee

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@101sharko Thanks but no thanks for your unnecessary essay HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

  • @101sharko

    @101sharko

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Keutee yeap, you people always run when you can't back up your radical claims with facts🤣 I enjoy watching you people make outrageous comments and then run away. That's just one way we can prove that pre wonderful Europeans you can't take any claims seriously 😁

  • @unclejoe7958
    @unclejoe79587 ай бұрын

    Are Maori suffering more today than pre colonial era ? No. Most Maori wouldn’t be here today if it wasn’t for colonialism. Why is it that Maori who live overseas such as Australia are successful, civil , healthy, articulate, beautiful, educated , not racist and not continually playing victim ? Because Maori culture only holds Maori back .

  • @blakec2414

    @blakec2414

    5 ай бұрын

    What a load of sheet.

  • @unclejoe7958

    @unclejoe7958

    5 ай бұрын

    @@blakec2414 imagine if today’s Europeans started to adopt and practise their ancestors culture from a thousand years ago. The world would collapse. Health, education would exist, but on a limited scale. Life expectancy would dramatically decrease. Superstition would supersede rationality. The same applies to any people who try to emulate their ancestors ways. We all know Maori today are represented in the wrong stats today such as crime, education, drug and alcohol, low income. But in other countries Maori don’t have a high representation in those stats. They’re getting on with life as an individual and winning. They place more emphasis on who they are than what they are. You’re welcome to disagree. But please explain why. Cheers 😊

  • @manamaori100

    @manamaori100

    5 ай бұрын

    “The same applies to any people who try to emulate their ancestors ways” Hmm yet many Pākeha enjoy watching the haka being performed by the All Blacks, how many do you see adorning pounamu or bone carving, wear kirituhi or Māori designed tattoos, it’s not our culture holding us back it’s yours.

  • @unclejoe7958

    @unclejoe7958

    5 ай бұрын

    @@manamaori100 some cultures/societies aren’t even aware of their oppression, but what’s sadder is when they’re willing to fight to defend their own oppression.

  • @eugenerewi9076
    @eugenerewi90766 ай бұрын

    We will always bring up ownership

  • @kirigoldsmith2123
    @kirigoldsmith21232 жыл бұрын

    I'm sorry lol Rotorua to carry out your research??? pppft. is only a very SMALL part of Maori. You won't find Maori living like this, making mani from their own people like this but here. Next time, go off grid and find Maori.

  • @mataariatautali9873

    @mataariatautali9873

    2 жыл бұрын

    What about Waitangi? Raukawa? Kai tahu? Tūwharetoa? Te Whānau a Apanui? Māori use tourism to make money ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. Dunno where you're getting your tikanga or your facts from... sounds like you just want to hate on the fulla that made this. That's very colonial of you.

  • @kirigoldsmith2123

    @kirigoldsmith2123

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mataariatautali9873 oh God, u sound just as annoying as some siblings I know of... lol ur right and wrong at the same time.

  • @Rotavegas1

    @Rotavegas1

    2 жыл бұрын

    You think Maori in Rotorua don't have the struggles as other Maori...get off your high horse

  • @Alexis-ei7ku
    @Alexis-ei7ku Жыл бұрын

    This was a stunning documentary. Thank you for having spent the time to reflect and reorganise your lenses, It was a beautiful thing to see. Especially as a Māori woman who works in tourism, this film is a pretty accurate reflection of how it feels to essentially commercialise yourself. You start to question weather you’re educating or entertaining pakeha. I can see it on the faces of the performers because I’ve felt the same. It feels like someone tracking mud through your house and refusing to clean it up. Now it’s been dirty so long that nobody wants to take the responsibility to clean it up. So you end up cleaning it best you can but the stain remains visible if you look hard enough. I’d also like to add that it’s possible for Pakeha to become Māori. Many just don’t because their mindset stops them from seeing the value in having the Māori world view since it’s usually new or conflicting to their existing one. Imagine how boring would the world be if we all believed the same though.

  • @dorianbarbera7972

    @dorianbarbera7972

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your positive feedback! :)

  • @BrandonGarcia-om7hr

    @BrandonGarcia-om7hr

    11 ай бұрын

    Māori is an ethnicity. If you are Pakeha, you cannot “become” Māori. Your bloodline’s from fucking Europe 💯✍🏽!

  • @julianalderson3938
    @julianalderson3938 Жыл бұрын

    I think bad thinks have happend. Only way is to remeber. N learn from it.

  • @k.w.h112
    @k.w.h112 Жыл бұрын

    Looked after Māori well? 🤔 WHEN? 🥴😂

  • @Philly-lq6zr

    @Philly-lq6zr

    4 ай бұрын

    Since the treaty was signed , gave our ancestors undys , and blankets , i don't know why but I reckon our ancestors was alright dancing around the fire , 😮 or Europeans, might call it worshipping, 😂😂😂, there are natives looked after some of them are knighted , , free mason , , they got money land , leases, , just not we us natives , but they dumb they ask for money , land ,,, want land ,resources, back for the natives , 😊

  • @chrisroger4416

    @chrisroger4416

    3 ай бұрын

    life span went from 30 years old to 60....brought pigs, hoprses, brought roads, hopsitals drs. etc...and a written language and helped make ur language written too

  • @mackritete3386
    @mackritete3386 Жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately at this day and age we keep bringing up only the truth. Mr pakeha kiora

  • @brentonlett3417
    @brentonlett34174 ай бұрын

    Tell you stories its your story and no one else's, find the funding, the resources and the means, don't come to anyone else and put your hand out to tell your story, we got our own stories to fund so we can tell them too.

  • @ethanolarano4341
    @ethanolarano4341 Жыл бұрын

    White supreme-acy. Pacific islands canada australia North and south america. South africa. Etc

  • @stewatparkpark2933

    @stewatparkpark2933

    Жыл бұрын

    Evolution .

  • @chrisroger4416

    @chrisroger4416

    3 ай бұрын

    the dominant smarter race

  • @tonymorgan9240
    @tonymorgan92402 жыл бұрын

    WHATS WITH THE GERMAN SUBTITLES ????

  • @mataariatautali9873

    @mataariatautali9873

    2 жыл бұрын

    Did you even read the description bro? He's a German film student who travelled here and made this documentary for his thesis. Obviously his German teachers need to be able to understand what is going on, or they can't mark him.

  • @gatheringleaves
    @gatheringleaves10 ай бұрын

    One of my ancestors, David MacNish Jr. was a Pakeha Maori from Trelawny Parish, Jamaica of all places! He was born in 1811 or 1812 as a Quadroon Slave to David McNish and Becky Mulloy and left Jamaica in the 1830s to find his place in the world

  • @willcribb2385
    @willcribb23855 ай бұрын

    Che da cuz

  • @user-oh4yd5uh4e

    @user-oh4yd5uh4e

    5 ай бұрын

    table and chur

  • @julianalderson3938
    @julianalderson3938 Жыл бұрын

    That said haft to keep keepin on cos thats the reality, but im pakeha n think we gota slow down n stop shittn on others for money n status. Cheers

  • @paulhickey-bo6hx
    @paulhickey-bo6hxАй бұрын

    Pakeha…. means … “ Funny white thing “

  • @maxinbeltran8171
    @maxinbeltran8171 Жыл бұрын

    This …. Could have been done and edited better . Please 🙏 to the creator and film maker go back ! Let’s do this better the Māori deserve better . Using statistics , Research , don’t give me the tourist view … give me the Māori people’s view !

  • @thomasraionaedwards4274
    @thomasraionaedwards42742 жыл бұрын

    No Pākehā simply are White New Zealanders stop bullshitting the viewers.....

  • @richlee509

    @richlee509

    Жыл бұрын

    There's a lot of mixture of bloodlines now

  • @davidfinley7766
    @davidfinley7766 Жыл бұрын

    If you can name which of your ancestors got his land taken off him and I'll find out out which of mine took it from him, then we'll talk, otherwise.... Grow Up!

  • @seanpindred
    @seanpindred5 ай бұрын

    Conscious decision to migrate here? I thought you were indigenous? Iost at sea? blown here by luck ?

  • @lukedixon7703
    @lukedixon7703 Жыл бұрын

    This is an extremely shallow video

  • @granthardy5844
    @granthardy5844 Жыл бұрын

    Unbelievable....😂

  • @malwalker2682
    @malwalker26822 жыл бұрын

    STOLEN MAORI LAND.GOT AWAY WITH MURDER.

  • @lennifrost2006

    @lennifrost2006

    2 жыл бұрын

    You mean like the Maori did to the Morori.

  • @lennifrost2006

    @lennifrost2006

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fact is the British concepts such as the Rule of Law and Constitutional Government have been a huge asset to the Maori.

  • @Keutee

    @Keutee

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lennifrost2006 asset to maori? HAHAHA loss of language, loss of land, loss of culture and customs… asset according to white washed ideology.

  • @stephenlennon7369

    @stephenlennon7369

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lennifrost2006 What did they do?

  • @lennifrost2006

    @lennifrost2006

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@stephenlennon7369 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori_genocide

  • @DW_Kiwi
    @DW_Kiwi Жыл бұрын

    What a lot of nonsense. This presentation is portrayed as the Maori were hard done by. Really! By1839 they had just about wiped each other out in the so called Musket wars. About 80,000 killed by other tribes between 1830 and 1839. Down from about 170000. Cannibalism, infanticide, slavery was rife. Do you not know about the Treaty of Waitangi signed in 1840. These "poor Maori" ceded sovereignty to the Crown of Great Britain. The coming of the Pakeha, with British Common law saved this people. This film is Racist!!

  • @topfish1225

    @topfish1225

    4 ай бұрын

    So not a lot has changed then other than the cannibalism

  • @jesuslovesyou1643
    @jesuslovesyou16432 жыл бұрын

    God bless you all , Jesus loves you all only he can save u repent and turn from your sins and accept Jesus as Lord and saviour and you will be saved. He is the only way to eternal life in heaven once you pass away its too late . ❤✝️🙌 ....

  • @101sharko
    @101sharko2 жыл бұрын

    Can anyone explain how, when supposedly there has never been white people here before Polynesian Maori colonists arrived, did the Maoris get the idea of gable roof tops?? As the Polynesians never built shelter with gable roof tops anywhere else, where did Maoris get this from🤔🤔🤔 and if they where such environmentalists why did they kill and wipe out an entire species called the Moa and many others..🤔🤔🤔 and if the Maoris where such wonderful nice friendly people, why did they keep slaves? And eat them!! 🤔🤔🤔 Oh there is always two sides to every story..... luckily the first modern pioneers kept detailed written documents about all this, and radical Maoris of New Zealand today can't hide or deny those facts!! 😁

  • @taliesinpotter4097

    @taliesinpotter4097

    2 жыл бұрын

    You're literally the old people in this doco lmao 🤣🤣🤣

  • @k9wirihana172

    @k9wirihana172

    2 жыл бұрын

    The ball heads taught us

  • @yuyyuiuiu6516

    @yuyyuiuiu6516

    2 жыл бұрын

    Didn't you get the memo racist white person? your time is over, you're done. Stay mad pakeha, if you're this mad you can go back to Europe.

  • @101sharko

    @101sharko

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@taliesinpotter4097 not me I'm the next gen and my kids will be the same. My old people knew how to read and write so it's all well documented. The Maoris Chinese whispers is no way to rely on history.

  • @101sharko

    @101sharko

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@k9wirihana172 someone had to, 700 years and you couldn't work it out for yourselves 🤣