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But Kakashi thought KCM 2 Naruto was Minato.

@MaceDoGe_

27 күн бұрын

That was more just symbolizing his growth, and he had a cloak like Minato which Naruto had never had before, there’s a lot of ways to interpret it

@i.q.1979

27 күн бұрын

@@MaceDoGe_ Or it's exactly what I think it is.

@TNTYOD

27 күн бұрын

Guys Rasengan vs rasengan wind

@zerotheplug

26 күн бұрын

​@@MaceDoGe_nope they were fighting edo tenseis so Kakashi thought that was Minato even if it's was representing growth that's shows Minato is on that kcm2 level

@redbool1115

21 күн бұрын

Kakashi also saw base rasen shuriken Naruto as minato

I’ve been loving your videos, man, but there are a few points that I disagree with. The raikage wanting to go to the battlefield for the Gold and Silver brothers does not automatically put him above them. This is a week argument because I could make the same argument for the five kage facing Madara, which is clearly untrue Instead, this was likely done to show the reader how dangerous the gold and silver brothers are considered. The raikage didn’t even feel the need to go to the battlefield when his father was seen, so him feeling the need to go for the gold and silver Brothers illustrates how much more dangerous he views them to be. Another thing is that the gold and silver brothers were not given an access to all of the tools of the sage of six paths, which is normally a part of their kit. Saying that we saw was the full power would be like saying what we saw of Sasori during the war was his full power, which is untrue because he did not have access to most of his kit. I know this area of scaling can be pretty vague and these points aren’t the end all be all. Keep up the great videos, dude and I hope that I explained my thoughts in an understandable manner.

Yeah, I agree that Pain basically stomps the Hokage save for Hashirama, Kakashi and Naruto. One point of contention I'd like to make regarding the two halves of the nine tails however is the amount of power they seem to be capable of generating. I hear this a lot when people bring up "One half of the Nine Tails" but I think that's not quite correct in my estimation. My interpretation isn't that it's half the power output, but half of the pool of power. If Naruto with only half the power of the Kuruma was able to repel the Bijuudama from six tailed beasts at once, (Six tailed beasts that another perfect Jinchuriki in Gyuuki and Killer Bee were struggling to keep up with.) then just how much more powerful is Kuruma than the other eight tailed beasts? I'd argue that, with this theory and based on the evidence presented that Kuruma with both halves of his chakra combined would be far more powerful then all eight of the other tailed beasts combined by nearly twice over. It really does a lot of damage to the world building to have it this way as it upturns everything Hashirama did to keep the power balance between the five nations since the Nine Tails by itself would only be able to be contended with by well, Hashirama himself. As the other tailed beasts might as wel be shooting paper wads at whoever actually controlled the full nine tails. Add to that, Naruto still undergoes stages when tapping into Kuruma's power. (One tail, Two tails, Three tails, and so on.) otherwise he'd be capped out at his four tails transformation. The way I scale Kuruma is like we would a pressure washer. having only half of Kuruma doesn't mean the pressure is reduced by half, only the amount of water it has to spray is halved. this way it's more inline with with the lore, it's more inline with scaling, and we don't wind up with Naruto being so much more powerful then basically every other character that it's absurd by the time of the events of, "The Last," and "Boruto" because Naruto gains the second half of Kuruma's chakra and that single half alone was putting out more power then at least six of the other eight tailed beasts power combined. That single half of Kuruma's chakra would have been far far far more powerful then basically ever character in the series save for Madara and Hashirama and Naruto gains that on top of his own power. Lastly, it would make more sense as to why Obito only needed a sliver of the eight and nine tails power rather then the full thing in order to resurrect the ten tails and later Kaguya. It also keeps things in line with the start of Shippuden when Itachi and Kisame used 30% of their power when fighting teams Kakashi and Gai. Gai still needed to open the 6th gate I believe in order to break free from the water prison made by 30% of Kisame's power, but needed to open the 7th gate to defeat Kisame at full power. That way Kakashi isn't struggling to keep up with 30% of sick/dying Itachi as well. meaning Itachi at that point, (Sick) was roughly four times as powerful as Kakashi, when in actuality Itachi was probably closer to twice as powerful and with more hacks. Lastly, I'd like to address the subject of prime Hiruzen being the strongest Hokage of them all. I'm just gonna say it, that doesn't even begin to make sense to me at all. Hiruzen would have to be more powerful then Hashirama and even Tsunade and Orochimaru don't buy that either since Tsunade was actually trained by Hiruzen and she fought Madara. Tsunade couldn't believe that Hashirama was able to face off against Madara and Orochimaru didn't bother to bring Hiruzen back in his prime but did so for Hashirama and Tobirama. If Orochimaru did believe that hype about Hiruzen then having another ace in the hole against Madara would be a great bet to make. I know that Hiruzen is called the strongest Hokage but the math doesn't add up for that one. Greatest Hokage sure, but he's not stronger than Hashirama or Madara. Hiruzen dies at age 69, (Giggidy) and we see Hiruzen fight the Nine Tails 13 years before that. meaning Hiruzen would be 56 during the Nine Tails attack and would only be 2 years older then the Sannin during the events of Shippuden. If the Sannin weren't facing the effects of old age then Hiruzen should be fine as well. Hiruzen was just discovering that his age was holding him back during his fight with Orochimaru so this is something that had begun to develop relatively recently for Hiruzen. I don't think even Prime Hiruzen could beat Pain based on his showings against the Nine Tails. Sure, Pain was fighting against an incomplete Nine Tails, but he was also exhausted and when Hiruzen fought the Nine Tails, he had the full backing of the village and fought the Nine Tails together.

@___________0Z0X

Ай бұрын

Great comment, only one nitpick. Orochimaru brought back the Hokage back in the state that they were when they died. He didn’t make any special modifications to any of them.

@andakin117

Ай бұрын

@@___________0Z0X I really don't buy that. Hashirama was in his prime and he had to have lived long enough to have become a grandfather so he had to have died at the very earliest in his 40's assuming he had a child at 20 or so and his child had Tsunade at 20 years old also. We don't know anything about Hashirama's death but I seriously doubt he died when he was still youngish. Tobirama and Minato we get a visual indicator as to how they looked at the time of their deaths but I just can't imagine Hashirama was already a grandpa when he formed the leaf village or fought Madara or died from his wounds afterwards. We know Hashirama lived long enough to get an idea as to who Tsunade was as a person since he knows she picked up his gambling habit. So if we follow the timeline of events, he likely outlived Tobirama since Hiruzen is about 17 years older then Tsunade and she became a Genin at age 6. that placed Hiruzen at around 23 to 24 when he became her sensei and would have already been the Hokage based on his perceived age in the flashbacks. It looks to me Hiruzen was made Hokage somewhere between ages 17 to 20. I'd personally place Hiruzen in his prime somewhere just above Hanzo the Salamander, and maybe either just below Itachi or equal to Itachi. I think a closer match for Prime Hiruzen would likely be Sage Mode Jiraiya. The title "God of Shinobi" seems to be a title held by the strongest Shinobi of the age. Held by Hagaromo, Hashirama, and Hiruzen. I'm not putting Hiruzen down as clearly he's above the Sannin but to put him at or above the likes of Madara or Hashirama I think is going way to far. As I said, based on feats alone when facing the Nine Tails with the village helping him Hiruzen at what I would assume to be nearing the end of his prime is likely somewhere around SM Jiraiya. That's honestly quite impressive considering how powerful SM users are. We have to consider that during the Third Shinobi War Hiruzen was the same age as the Sannin during Shippuden and they still inspired fear, respect, and loathing in everyone they met. However, it's worth noting that the war was only brought to a close because of what a monster Minato was on a battlefield and not Hiruzen. Ultimately I have to chalk a lot of this up to a long running series that ultimately evolved over the years. Personally I don't think Kishimoto planed on making Hashirama what he ultimately became. Only when Madara is introduced, the whole Uchiha vs Senju, and ancestral feud stuff came around in the war arc did Hashirama gain relevance to the story outside of being a world building character. The story obviously changed and evolved over the years as the writing really began to take it's toll on Kishimoto towards the middle of the story after the Pain arc. A lot of stuff that is said in the data books can be pretty optimistic at best. Like when they said that Hebi Sasuke could beat any of the Akatsuki, and Hiruzen being the strongest Hokage is another instance I would say.

@___________0Z0X

Ай бұрын

@@andakin117 I agree with everything that you just said. I definitely don’t think that Hirozen is ever touching Hashirama, prime or otherwise. Also Hirozen being sm Jiraya level is very impressive and pretty consistent. Hashirama being in his 40s or 50s doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s out of his prime. The sanin are about that age and none of them make any note of being weaker. But it is possible that Orochimaru modified the first and second before attacking the leaf village. However, he didn’t have any time to even consider doing that for the third, because bringing them back happened spur the moment.

@andakin117

Ай бұрын

@@___________0Z0X Yeah I can agree Orochimaru likely being pressed for time didn't even consider bringing Hiruzen back in his prime. My reason for pointing out as to why that wasn't something Orochimaru would have jumped on, is because Orochimaru and Kabuto seem to be among the only people in the world that have any F$&^ing clue as to how powerful Madara and Hashirama were. We clearly see that none of the five Kage were prepared for Madara. Even Onoki who had dealings with Madara in the past, had grossly underestimated Madara. Tsunade couldn't even fathom Madara's Susanoo and this is Madara. His name alone was enough to spark the 4th Shinobi World War and got all five nations to come together and they STILL weren't able to wrap their minds around how powerful Madara was. This is also a Madara that even with the Rinnegan and Wood style fought Hashirama to a stalemate. Orochimaru being as smart as he is, would have made bringing someone stronger than both Madara and Hashirama back his number one priority. Hiruzen gets a lot of crap and I've seen both sides of the argument. I've seen people that put Hiruzen down as one of the weakest Kage, and others that actually do scale him above Hashirama. Taken on his own merits and feats Hiruzen is without a doubt deserving of the title "God of Shinobi." Hiruzen was Hokage alongside nearly all the Kage of the other villages at some point or another. Hiruzen was Hokage during the time of Hanzo the Salamander, the 3rd Raikage, Onoki, Sakumo Hatake, the entire Uzumaki village, basically nearly every character in the war arc, Killer Bee and other perfect Jinchuriki, and yet still Hiruzen is considered the strongest of them all. Hiruzen does all of this without Sage Mode or any Kekki Genki too which makes him even more impressive as later parts of Shippuden really negate everything that the start of the series was about. Neji was right when it came to destiny and how some people are born into greatness and others are not. Hiruzen is the example that proves the rule. Every member of the Akasuki specialize in narrow field that they dial up to 11. This makes them overwhelmingly powerful for Shinobi that don't have a direct counter to them or don't have Kage level baseline stats. a perfect example is Sasuke's fight with Deidara. Sasuke's arsenal was perfectly suited to dealing with Deidara and his abilities. However I suspect Sasuke at that time would have faired poorly against the likes of Kakazu, Kisame, or Sasori. Likewise, Sakura did very well against Sasori because she could detect and deal with his poison but Sakura would have fallen by the wayside against really any other member of the Akatsuki. This is further reinforced by the three Akatsuki members at the top. Itachi, Obito, and Pain. All of whom have their Dōjutsu and really don't have much else going for them outside that. While their Taijutsu is worth noting, they aren't Might Gai, and their Taijutsu is only briefly touched on in these vs match ups. Naruto is later revealed to be the son of the 4th Hokage, which is the real reason why Hiruzen puts Naruto on Kakashi's team and why Jiraiya takes such special interest in him. Later Naruto and Sasuke go on to learn that they are the incarnations of the two sons of Hagaromo. Destiny really is a thing in the Naruto universe and Neji was right when he called it out. But that's exactly why a character like Hiruzen fits so well into this universe. By being the example that proves the rule Hiruzen shines brightly when you actually look at who he is and what he has accomplished and all without any special powers.

@___________0Z0X

Ай бұрын

@@andakin117 I really like the point that you brought up there. Also, yeah, if prime Hirozen was really more powerful than Madara then Kabuto and Orochimaru would’ve been scrambling to bring him back lol.

Hashirama: Duh. I should also mention that Eternal Darkness Jutsu he has to just turn off the Rinnegan sight advantage. Tobirama: He's not winning without taking serious damage. I don't know how well his Water Style, where most of his damage comes from, is going to be when Preta exists. Edo Tensei and Tandem Paper Bombs requires a bunch of pre-prep, so that's not on the table. He has Flying Raijin, but he can't put the tags on as easily as Minato nor does he have a close-range Jutsu like a Rasengan to my knowledge to take advantage of FR. And much like the rest of his Forbidden Jutsu kit, he's not as good with Shadow Clones as Naruto with his Jump A Ninja no Jutsu. Sarutobi: No hax. Jutsu variety is only going to get him so far against 6 guys who can eat Jutsu, summon numerous large summon animals, revive the party, at least attempt a soul snatching, and all this other stuff I'm too lazy to mention. Minato: He has Sage Mode. I don't know why he has Sage Mode. I don't know why he didn't use it during the Nine Tails Attack. I don't even know what variant of Sage Mode he's using (presumable Frog for obvious reasons). But he has it. You can't just pretend he doesn't just because it's a plot hole and a half. If he's already a problem at best with just FR, Rasengan, and a Shadow Clone or 2, he easily wins once you give him Sage Mode. Also he figures out Kamui pretty quickly off of just like 1 or 2 interactions with it. Pain is a lot to figure out, but he'll figure it out pretty quickly. Assuming he even has to contend with that Pain or that they're hard to understand. Animal Path summons, and most of the animals are straight forward, so that's not hard to figure out. Human doesn't do anything without getting up close. Preta either needs to counter a Jutsu or also get up close. Naraka needs someone to die first or get up close to use King of Hell. It's really only Asura and Deva that'll pose knowledge problems since they're abilities are more obscure and diverse. Not counting Preta because he can't just warp-in Rasengan that one like he could with the others. Tsunade: Was Creation Rebirth not amping her to a level that could tank a Madara Susano blade through the mid-section like it was nothing before punching and breaking it? Is she also not known for extreme power Taijutsu due to her chakra control, allowing even Start of Shippuden Sakura to punch the ground and utterly destroy the Konoha Training Grounds, kicking up a bunch of dust and rubble everywhere that could've allowed for blindsiding if she or Naruto wanted to? Sure, if Deva frame 1 Chibaku Tenseis, then it's GG's for her unless you think physical attacks would destroy the gravity sphere. But besides that, I don't see Tsunade struggling THAT much with the Pains. Kakashi: So War Arc+ Kakashi who traded his hax Kamui for a functionally higher Chakra pool and an overall better Chidori? He's probably got this. Naruto: Shikamaru: No. Also you're really downplaying Sage Mode Naruto. Yes, he did lose to Pain... because his form was on a timer and he ran out of Nature Energy, which Pain exploited. But when he had it up, he was wrecking Pain's shit. Asura got one-tapped by just a punch I believe trying to go after Tsunade. Preta got decked by the Frog Kata and then stoned trying to absorb Naruto's chakra. Human Path got eviscerated by Rasenshuriken. Animal Path got deleted by the Double Rasengan, and I think the Naraka Path got Double Rasengan'd too. He took out damn near every Path on his first shot of Sage Mode, and likely would've won had he taken out Naraka first so it couldn't revive the Preta Path, who started causing problems. Likewise, yes, Pain beat V2 6Tails Naruto... by using his strongest, most draining move after taking a wooping from it prior. And even that didn't work, because he just went into 8 Tails and started breaking out of that shit, and would've killed Pain had Minato not come in to reseal Nine Tails. So let's not pretend like Naruto was weak and got dogwashed in this fight. It was the other way around until he ran out of Sage Mode and made a bad misplay. He lost because he didn't have info on all of the Pains (just the 3 Jiraiya fought) and misplayed as a result, and likely could've won given how quickly and easily he was dispatching them.

My initial thought was that 3 and 6 win, 1 and 7 aren't fair.

1. pain is vaporized by the 1000 hands buddha statute and other hashirama's jutsus 2. pain wins 3. pain wins 4. pain loses to his speed and doesn't know where he gets stabbed from 5. pain wins 6. pain wins 7. pain is vaporized not even counting baryon mode 8. a hokage is the strongest shinobi in the village. so the 8th hokage never exists in the first place because shikamaru is weaker than his own wife. he is a replacement for naruto because he was naruto's advisor.

The Kinkaku Unit does have feats and statements. They defeated Tobirama, which is a feat. And they're stated to be highly skilled. You are assuming they were weak based on what you don't know, which is fallacious. They're also never stated to be tracker shinobi. You made that up. Tobirama says they are likely Kumo ninja based on their tracking skills. Which just means good tracking is characteristic of Kumo ninja. As for finding a way to make Tobirama strong, its easy as hell. He bitched EMS Sasuke with 1 finger, displaying superiority. Sure, you could skepticize it if you're biased against him, but there's an easy interpretation there favoring Tobirama.

@BILLYNFU

Күн бұрын

I say in the video all the information about them and why they are ass

One thing u have to know Minato is just like Mahoraga who adapts step by step if the longer the fight it's obvious he'll win for sure

tobirama fighting kin and jin was a distraction for the others to cut and run not a set up for an ambush. its made pretty clear that tobirama was by himself in his final confrontation bc that was the whole point of the confrontation in the first place. and calling them "20 tracker ninja" has about as much weight as calling them all s class. tobirama said they were skilled at tracking but its a dumb assumption that all 20 were by extent trackers. you also ignore that while darui was able to keep up with kin and gin in terms of speed nobody in the alliance is shown to ever be able to damage them with their cloaks active. even before that the only actual damage landed is when one of them lets darui cut off an arm so they could kick it into him. and your claim that kin and gin werent even present is flimsy, tobirama literally said it was the kinkaku force. outside of dumb exposition for the benefit of scalers why would he specify whether kin or gin was there when he already said that their unit was who was coming after them and he was sending away all his allies? why would kishimoto write that the kinkaku force was pulling up but intend for them not to be there? "hiruzen doesnt scale to the pains individually" konahamaru washed a pain is he jiriaya or kcm level? pain isnt 6 jiriaya or kcm level fighters its one guy controlling 6 bodies, some that scale as high as sage naruto some as low as konahamaru. minatos statement to naruto had nothing to do with pain, he said the 9 tails was being manipulated not pain. your assertion that the statement doesnt put obito above pain is true but ironically it seems you misread the panel aswell.

Brother I think you forgot about izuna. He was the brother of madara and it was stated that izuna was just as strong as 3 tomoe sharingan adult madara and the 20 ninjas he fought wasn’t some low level they were stated to be S+ class shinobies and their leader was kinkaku who had nine tails power…. And as for hax you forgot that he has multi-shadow clone jutsu, infinite paper bomb, water dragon and IQ beyond nagato not to mention tobirama was able to mark jujubito before he realised..once tobirama gets his hands on even one of the pain’s he can use them as shield , attack etc and just by lifting a finger he released chakra strong enough to make orochimaru guard up and not to mention he was weaker than his alive form….he has shown to be able to use flying raijin better than minato and he while being weakened was able to combat along side kcm2 Naruto who was infused by sage chakra…and as for his sensing abilities he was able to sense madara’s chakra all the way from hidden leaf and madara was in some other country fighting naruto…

@BILLYNFU

3 ай бұрын

Madaras brother is never stated equal to any relevant form of Madara . EVER

@Jusaguywithbrain

14 күн бұрын

​@@BILLYNFUtrue its only said he was second to madara but people just misinterpret it

When i first looked at this i came up with 3 wins Hashirama Kakashi and Obviously naruto

Tobirama killed one of the brothers, and the other brother went into the 9tail state (4)

@BILLYNFU

Ай бұрын

Even IF this was true . Big if, why would that matter

@___________0Z0X

Ай бұрын

@@BILLYNFUI mean it took an entire division to seal one, so Tobirama killing one is pretty impressive. Also didn’t one of the brothers comment saying that Tobirama resurrected them? That would imply that Tobirama killed both of them? Another thing, isn’t it stated in the data books that the unit was filled with S ranked shinobi, putting them around aktsuki level? I’m not a Tobirama fanboy, and I don’t even think that he would beat pain, but I just want fair scaling which is admittedly pretty difficult with him.

@BILLYNFU

Ай бұрын

@@___________0Z0X it’s not even stated tobirama took one down , and even if he did …. Chosa , and Darui could react to and stop hits from them in their version 2. Pain a few days before this killed chosa , one shot him

You underestimate Tsunade powers a lot

@BILLYNFU

29 күн бұрын

She’s a Sannin relative to Jiraiya

15 minute video with no timestamp? Let me fix that 0:00 intro and a bunch of babble 3:37 1st Hokage Hashirama 4:16 2nd Kokage Tobirama (lol bro, just lol) 6:08 3rd Hokage Hiruzen 6:47 4th Hokage Minato (whaaaht????) 12:36 5th Hokage Tsunade 12:53 6th Hokage Kakashi 13:12 7th Hokage Naruto 13:21 8th Hokage Shikamaru (😂😂in Boruto shadow style held back Jura {jokes}😂😂)

@BILLYNFU

16 күн бұрын

Did all this work just to be a goober

The shiniobi that killed tobirama were 20 s rank ninja or 20 kakashis or 20 akatsuki members

@BILLYNFU

4 ай бұрын

No they weren’t , they aren’t stated to even be jonin , or S rank. Not in the anime , manga , or databook. That’s literally a made up thing that the community says

@kelvinallen9327

4 ай бұрын

​@@BILLYNFU I underatand Billy, but remember, if you read the manga you would see that tobirama & his team were all ruffed up, they were already actively involved. The fact that tobirama didnt use FTG to save his team simply means he was exhausted. In minato one shot, minato teleported himself & team away from the two Jinchuriki's. So its obvious he was exhausted. And the fact that madara said that tobirama is faster than him, simply puts tobirama above most characters, including Pain (all six),& Nagato. Tobirama was also able to recognise jubitos truth seeker orbs & analyse it instantly. He is aware of the rinnegan, & sage of six path, even Jiraiya & orochimaru knew about the rinbegan. 👍

@BILLYNFU

4 ай бұрын

@@kelvinallen9327 tobirama had help from his team and still died , and it just means he didn’t have tags in the village like Minato did . And tobirama is never called faster than Madara

@kelvinallen9327

4 ай бұрын

@@BILLYNFU I understand Billy, i really do. Why wont tobirama have marks in the village. In the war arc, tobirama literally teleported himself & hashirama back to the village & both stood ontop of their respective statues. And minato did likewise with hiruzen & himself, remember?👍 Also, the raikage never said he could stop kin & gin. He said he would have to intervene because he is the supreme commander. Who else would he have sent? Also, in kin/gin only lost because of that sealing pot. If both had used tgeir ninetails chakra from the beginning, they would have instantly distroyed everyone on the battle field. The last time we see this happen, is when Madara was summoned. Im not comparing them to madara. Also, kin & gin took chakra from the full Kurama, not from a half. Meaning that they have both mixtures. Their six tails of chakra is richer than Naruto's six tail of chakra. Tobirama was obviously exhausted at the night of his death, or else he would have teleported himself & team. Also, Madara himself called tobirama faster. And madara also said that he was glad that both "brothers tobi & hashi, were weakened". Its in the manga. 👍

@BILLYNFU

4 ай бұрын

@@kelvinallen9327 we literally see him enter 9 tails state and get caught by choza they would’ve easily stopped them if they both went v2. The raikage wouldn’t intervene if he thought he was gonna die . Also like I said it’s more likely kin and gin weren’t there . Also we don’t know if he had a distance limit on his flying raijin , they weren’t that far away from where they teleported when Sasuke was talking to them . Tobirama is worse than Minato

tobirama would murder pain low diff tbh, its stated by madara he used to boast the fastest speed of any shinobi wich includes ems madara and sagemode hashirama, kcm minato also complimented edo tobirama's speed as he tagged jubito, dying to kinkaku and jinkaku is no shame since he was coming home from a mission with his hall team so its impossible to prove he was at full power, you cant use the "20 highly skilled shinobi" as an anti feat since it doesnt prove they are weak, tecnically the akatsuki has 10 highly skilled members in it, kink and gink were also edo tensei in the war so they were weaker and they has theyr ninja tools btw since thats what they were known for rinnegan sage madara also went out of his way to dodge edo tensei tobirama using hirashin giri on him but he didnt give a damn about sage naruto's massive rasenshuriken in a weaker form

@BILLYNFU

Ай бұрын

Comparing 10 highly skilled shinobi to the tailed beast slaying super ninja known as the Akatsuki who rival thousands of ninja each is so insane .

@drowning.macaco

Ай бұрын

@@BILLYNFU higly skilled is nothing but praise, if madara helds someone as highly skilled it means he is strong for the level of power that he has

@BILLYNFU

Ай бұрын

@@drowning.macaco Madara didn’t call them highly skilled

Minato knows sage mode it's cannon so he woops pain 😂

@BILLYNFU

4 ай бұрын

Why does him knowing sage mode change anything at all. Plus , he literally doesn’t use sage mode when his wife and baby are in danger along with his village . Not really a win con for Minato

@themizfittoy4752

4 ай бұрын

Because Naruto in sage mode beat him and that Naruto wasn't anywhere near Minato at the time also if your adding the fact he has half of kurama If you add that then he's well beyond Naruto so he would beat pain med diff

@BILLYNFU

4 ай бұрын

@@themizfittoy4752 sage naruto got destroyed by Pain

@themizfittoy4752

4 ай бұрын

@@BILLYNFUyea cause that's why Naruto walked away from that fight pain would have lost and if Minato adds sage mode to karma chakra mode then boom he's done not even to add that if he touches him once he can flash to him at any point and kill him

@BILLYNFU

4 ай бұрын

@@themizfittoy4752 sage naruto straight up lost to Pain. Naruto beat pain after Chibaku tensei was broke out of by Kurama and eventually base Naruto beat Pain. Elaborate for me how Minato in sage mode or Base , would replicate Kuramas feat and survive Chibaku tensei

Tobirama would beat pain i know you said the war arc has extreme wank but im going with that,edo tobirama was able to dodge alive rinnegan sage mode madara, that same madara who slams sasuke boosted by all the remaining chakra of hashirama, sasuke without the added chakra of hashirama was already keeping up with kcm2sm naruto. i think tobirama is way too fast for pain

@BILLYNFU

16 күн бұрын

But lost to 20 ninja with no statements of their power or ability in a 6 v 20

@mr.mustachefreak9644

15 күн бұрын

@@BILLYNFU @BILLYNFU that's just the nature of a flashback you really think kishi is gonna make 20 characters all with distinct characteristics, abilities, clans etc only to mention them once for tobirama's death ? That sounds goofy. anyways Tobirama called them master bounty hunters it's safe to say they are really powerful .also in the flashback everyone was panting that is a sign of fatigue, fatigue in Naruto can really nerf a character so fatigued tobirama even being able to stall 20 master bounty hunter + kinkaku and ginkaku is already impressive.

@BILLYNFU

15 күн бұрын

@@mr.mustachefreak9644 tobirama didn’t call them master bounty hunters , and trying to abstract from what we are shown and told is weak for an argument. All we know about them is that it was a 6 vs 20 and they were skilled trackers . That’s all we are told . Literally just that . Typing that long essay saying nonsense.

@mr.mustachefreak9644

15 күн бұрын

@@BILLYNFU in the translation I'm reading tobi calls them master bounty hunters. Also you keep pushing this tobirama can't even win a 6v20 ignoring the fact that he and his squad was fatigued

@mr.mustachefreak9644

15 күн бұрын

@@BILLYNFU anyways if we don't consider the way he died his war arc feats will just make him stomp pain really badly if you disagree than I guess we can agree to disagree

Pain slams Hashirama

@hiddenmarco

4 ай бұрын

Obvious troll

@lilmo5234

4 ай бұрын

if its obvious why you point it out smhhhhhhh

@Linkthebased

4 ай бұрын

@@lilmo5234 I'm not even trolling bruuuuh

@Linkthebased

4 ай бұрын

@@hiddenmarco well that felt oddly personal

@hiddenmarco

4 ай бұрын

@@Linkthebased so u actually think pain wins😂😂😂