These videos are really getting old. Same shit over and over come up with something new already.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Pinned your comment to see what other people think. If they dislike these type of videos, they have a chance to address it here.

@dentalnovember

Жыл бұрын

I think these tests are very valuable in rating and evaluating the quality of different ammunition loads.

@AndrewGibson22

Жыл бұрын

Thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you.

@chrispratt4516

Жыл бұрын

It takes a certain type of person to come to someone elses channnel, where the bulk of what they do is ammo testing. To see the bulk of what he does is ammo testing. To know that he could go to any other channel to watch something else more to there liking if they are getting tired of ammo testing. And instead making a rude no-class comment about how the person who primarily does ammo testing on his channel should do something else. I'm not going to say what type of person would do that, but I'm pretty sure everyone can fill in the blank. As for the actual information that is put out on this channel, I find it both valuable and entertaining. Keep on keeping on.

@ftdefiance1

Жыл бұрын

Either do your own channel or manufacturer new ammo

I used to carry some kind of hollowpoint in my Ruger LCP 2. After trying a few of my own gel tests I eventually settled on Underwood extreme defense. For a short barreled 380 that seems to work amazingly well. It’s nice to not have to worry about expansion with that load.

@willo7734

Жыл бұрын

Also, the effect that the lehigh bullets had of shooting to the right at distance is very interesting. I wonder if it has to do with the direction of the rifling? Maybe that philips screwdriver nose has a weird spin drift like effect due to the way it cuts through the air.

@elsullo2

Жыл бұрын

@@willo7734 Exactly! The flutes on the Lehigh bullets are designed to push the target medium around it to expand the medium and not the bullet. This air medium at distance inevitably resists the bullet's spin so that the bullet pushes itself off center aim to drift........somewhere. I would expect the push to be in the opposite direction of the spin, and distance shooting would be problematic!............................elsullo

@la_old_salt2241

Жыл бұрын

​@elsullo2 But it's not intended for shooting at distance. It's intent is defensive shooting at roughly 10 or 12 feet in to contact distance. I'm not overly concerned about drift at distances much past that range. Beyond that, you need a rifle.

@ronaldscruggs2699

Жыл бұрын

I like the extreme defense plus p but they shoot way low left out of my lcp like a foot off at 15 yards. Xtp is dead on

@RJHerb

7 ай бұрын

@@ronaldscruggs2699 My Sig P365-380 cycles the Xtreme Defense rounds perfectly, but even at a10 foot distance they hit the target several inches low and to the left.

DUDE! You're getting 9mm performance with 380! Underwood loads things crazy hot.

Thanks to Edward for the contribution of ammo to test. It's obvious that +P is overrated and over priced. Nice shooting Sam! ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇲🏁🇺🇦🔱🌻💮🌸🌼🏴‍☠️🏹

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Plus P has it's uses, but in .380 ACP I would say that the cons outweigh the pros. As where in lets say .38 Special+P, the opposite is true.

@Followme556

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I have the exact opposite opinion. The +P is more important in 380 than any other caliber. That 380XTP performed beautifully in your tests. Absolutely ideal.

@babeeeTrex

Жыл бұрын

​@@GunSam That makes exactly zero sense when you watch the performance of the x t p in your own test. Bizarre.

The xtp is probably the best performing 380 hollow point test I've seen

Missed the notification but I'm here. The XTP tends to not expand through denim from micros, while the Extreme Defenders still do the same thing because they don't rely on expansion. Also in your testing here, you can see the permanent cavities are more impressive. For these two reasons and also reducing carry weight, I keep the Extreme Defenders in my .380.

@PatriotPaulUSA

Жыл бұрын

For sure , Micro's short 2.75" barrels cause many to lose FPS and then not have enough to expand unfortunately.

Exact trying I was looking for! Ty!

I enjoy your videos and tests. Have been for a long time. Very informative in my opinion. One of my favorite channels, keep up the good work.

Glad to see this test. I use the Underwood Defender standard pressure in my Sig P365 380.

Your videos are great. I look forward to them. I loke your commentaty at the end.

Thanks for testing. I’ve been waiting on this one! These are the best 380 bullets from the test and information I can find! I have the precision one + p XTPs. I don’t think they are as hot as the underwood.

Another great test! I was surprised at the velocities and penetration for a 380. As you've proven, 380 under penetrates more often then not. I was cheering for the Lehigh bullets but the long range accuracy killed it. I've watched ALL of your videos and appreciate your efforts and commentary.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@nomorerainbows

Жыл бұрын

XTP+P was the clear winner of this test.

@tyroneleak637

Жыл бұрын

With all due respect you should not be using A380 for long distance defense shooting remember long distance means you can get away from the threat

@nomorerainbows

Жыл бұрын

@@tyroneleak637 Depends. Someone might be shooting at you with a rifle or shotgun. Or you might be trying to be the hero and stop that mass shooting at the local mall. It depends.

@tyroneleak637

Жыл бұрын

@@nomorerainbows remember you’re responsible for every bullet you discharge if you take a shot with a 380 and you know there’s a potential chance that you’ll miss because of the lack of inherent long distance reliability what are you going to tell the judge?

Great vids👍

Sam what I LIKE about the S&W .380 EZ is that it has a LOCKED BREECH! Most .380 and 9mm Makarov Pistols are blow back. As a result they can not only be snappy to shoot BUT with higher pressures a shooter might be "pushing it"! Never the less standard .380 can be quite capable ASSUMING shot placement. I do reject most hollow points in these calibers. Frankly I think a good flat nose ball round is the way to go.

I carry a .380. I use extreme penetrator Deep. I enjoy the .380 and .38 (856 Defender, my carry revolver) tests. Keep 'em coming!

I like these videos because the tests are consistent from each video. If you dont like them then don't watch! I found them informative and interesting.

For me the main reason for solid copper monoliths in 380 is because getting expansion out of lead projectiles, other than HSTs is hit or miss. Great test. 👍🇺🇸👊

This is timely as suddenly there's a surge of these somewhat larger 380's coming onto the market. The EZ which has already been around, now the Ruger Security .380, this new Girsan with the flip top barrel, the new Beretta release, etc, etc. Thanks for the video.

@PatriotPaulUSA

Жыл бұрын

So true, Just think a few years ago about the only 380 in that size range was the Bersa Thunder for many years. I watched a O-light guy do a plant walk thru here on googletube. Its almost completely made on CNC machines today. Its been in constant production since 1995! And I just bought a Ruger Security 380 this week instead. I like that fixed barrel Bersa from what I've seen of it tho. I would really like to find one to shoot sometime.

Good review . thanks.

Good video as usual! Paul Harrell has often said, “I don’t care for hyper ammunition.” I think this video kinda proves the point that with a .380, they “hyper” stuff is just more “hype,” while that XTP load seemed to perform better after hitting bone and clothing.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@DanTheWolfman

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Though...the screwdrivers will show Orange/Watermelon damage...because unlike human bodies those fluids don't rebound in microseconds so that skus those better than really would be

@ftdefiance1

Жыл бұрын

However if I recall he did a video talking about the .380 benefiting from premium ammo.

@dj.djames1830

9 ай бұрын

@@GunSam I thought xtp stands for xtreme penetrator but why in this clip those bullets you labled xtp mushroomed? Isn’t xtreme penetrator/defense are supposed to be barrier-blind and not expand like this?

@garygrena9435

3 ай бұрын

@@dj.djames1830 XTP stands for Extreme Terminal Performance

Nice to know there is some good 380 ammo out there. I have never used it for carry, sold my PPK/S years ago, and may never own another 380. Bit it is good info to have. Some people, due to arthritis or other physical limitations, might be well served by a midsize 380 like the EZ, Beretta 84/85, the new Ruger, etc. A few years ago, doing some training with a colleague and his wife, i found that the older Beretta 84 he brought along did quite well. Smooth snd accuraye like most Berettas, modest recoil and enjoyable to shoot. I even liked the smooth walnut grips (i usually expect checkering or stippling). I would go with the XTP. It relies on proven technology and some velocity (which the XTP design seems to need). The penetrators may have some value for animal defense, etc, but there are better cartridges for that, starting with the 357. Great test

Thanks

Glad to see this test because all my 380’s I carry with only extreme defenders ( standard pressure)or XTP’s ( Hornaday’s version) I don’t even buy any other defensive .380 rounds, they seem to put the .380 at least on par with 9mm

Thanks for your video. I carry a kel tec p3AT as my summer time carry gun fits nicely and securely in my pocket. I carry Grizzly Mfg. 90 gr. HP P+ which are rated at 1200 FPS. I shot 1 magazine prior to carrying them and you do feel the recoil in a pistol that weighs on 11.4 ounces fully loaded with 7 rounds ( 6 in mag +1 in chamber). I'm confident in carrying these and even in its short barrel I'm getting over 1,000 FPS. I know its not a 9mm parabellum but for a small gun there is lots of firepower, and I always have it with me as well. So light and compact I have to check now and then to see if I still have it...

Your videos are very helpful. No way I could afford to test ammo like this. I prefer Underwood Extreme Defenders for my S&W EZ 380, or Bersa Thunder, one of which I carry daily. RockOn.StayFree.

I carry that UW +P XTP in my Beretta 84, in large part because it has proven to be one of the most accurate loads I’ve tried in my pistol.

@DanTheWolfman

Жыл бұрын

Did you shoot at least 10-20 make sure reliable? See my post above about the Tissue Crush. I'm interested in the new 86 clone and this load tern .380 into .38 plus p 2" equal and almost as good as 9mm IMO

Another great video. I have an LCP2 loaded with Underwood Extreme Penetrator ammo, or JHP, or FMJ. As the JHP gives the least amount of penetration, I carry these the least, & you guessed it, the Underwood most. I feel these are the best as they deliver penetration without over penetrating, while being barrier blind. Anytime I'm in a position to shoot outdoors, I'll swap it out for my much larger & heavier P365, which is much more accurate at any distance. When carrying the LCP, I have to feel for it occasionally to make sure it's still there as you literally don't feel the pistol or the weight of it either. In contrast I always know I'm carrying the P365!

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I have tested Winchester USA JHP and Remington UMC JHP and stuff like that in my LCP, always seemed to penetrate well, not expand really. I always felt they were a good compromise as they never over penetrated.

Great info. The UW 90 gr +P would be my choice.

Great video. I’m always interested in ammo test.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Very good video thank you I recently received some underwood xtp 90 gr +p haven't had a chance to shoot it yet I have two 380 glock42 and walther pk380 I think the xtp is going to do good on both. Thanks again

Great video Sam. Would you say, subjectively speaking, that going to +P is hard to justify if you are looking for a lower recoil gun compared to 9mm Luger?

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Yeah, a .380 ACP+P defeats the purpose in a lot of respect. Even in a "big" .380 pistol like the EZ that still weighs only 18 OZ , +P ammo close to 9x19 energy vibrates the pistol in a weird and uncomfortable way, like the frame can't handle the shock. Hurts the fingers unlike a typical 9mm pistol, probably due to slide weight being so light. I find most standard pressure .380 ACP ammo around 90 gr to be the best compromise in how well it handles and performs. I will take the compromise, as the old FBI standards are really meant to take into account through arms shots, possible auto glass as well as shots from 7 yards. The regular guy being assaulted that surprise pulls a .380 pistol and squarely double taps a bad dude's chest at 2 feet away, will probably do just fine!

@joshuar3632

Жыл бұрын

Not to sound like a wimp but the recoil on my smith & wesson bodyguard pisses of my hands. It's a tiny ass gun. I'd rather shoot my kimber k6s in .357 all day over that noisy cricket. Course. I'm getting old and it could be arthritis too

@Followme556

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam What purpose does it defeat? The idea behind +P in a 380 is to get improved performance vs heavy bone and barrier, and to make sure your HP is above expansion threshold, velocity wise. XTP+P is the best JHP load in 380, hands down.

@babeeeTrex

Жыл бұрын

I don't know man the xtp performed brilliantly. Even vs denim.

@erichanson7293

Жыл бұрын

The XTP in the +p loading seems to get all the potential out of the .380 that it has. It expands and penetrates quite well and defeats denim. It meets the FBI standards in both clear and ballistic gel. I would have no problem carrying it in a pistol rated for +p loads, knowing the recoil is absolutely going to be higher. ( The buffalo bore 100gr hard cast +p is even worse.) As for the XD in either loading, they appear to be good, and probably fantastic in 9mm but as of yet, to my knowledge, there is no actual data from any shootings with them. As for your content, Sam, please keep up the great work. Your format and consistency in performing the same type of terminal ballistic testing and accuracy testing lends credence to your results. It's "science", right?😊

I was very interested in seeing the velocities from that length of barrel; the Underwoods look to have delivered as specified. They make some excellent ammunition.

Very good testing and great explanation about the solid copper Lehigh bullet as well ! I agree unless I'm at close range trying to defeat a barrier I dont want those solid copper Lehigh bullets. They arent accurate at any kind of distance so why bother? If you want barrier defeating, get the Hornady "Critical Duty" and you will get that, plus the penetration of 14-16" in gel, after the barrier! Lehigh defense is the actual manufacturer of the Extreme Defender/Penetrator copper bullets. Underwood does some amazingly high FPS +P loadings of them, as well as other manufacturers bullets. Now we see that the +P loading is really not a good performer of those solid copper Lehigh's. I will carry Gold dots, or Hornady "Critical Defense" or HST "Deep" hollowpoints for everyday CCW self protection. If I dont have the cash for big brand name self defense bullets then Remington green & white box, hollowpoints are nearly as effective from what I have seen as well. Great info this test gave us. 😊

I really like the 380 tests because it is hard to find ammo in that caliber that both penetrates and expands. While I have a 9mm CZ 75 PCR, it's not my EDC because it is too heavy and bulky. My EDC is the Ruger LCP Max and its short barrel makes ammo selection critical. I like the Underwood Xtreme Penetrator and Defender in winter because they will penetrate heavy clothing.

I love the hoody with Pauls friend Wildey.

These tests never get old because technology keeps advancing and changing.

Pretty impressive performance from all the rounds, especially the XTP

@nomorerainbows

Жыл бұрын

The XTP+P was exceptional in this test, I agree!

@dj.djames1830

9 ай бұрын

I thought xtp stands for xtreme penetrator but why in this clip those bullets he labled xtp mushroomed? Isn’t xtreme penetrator/defense are supposed to be barrier-blind and not expand like this?

@JJ_SDWR

8 ай бұрын

​@@dj.djames1830XTP doesn't stand for extreme penetrator... XTP is a projectile made by Hornady used in a lot of self defense loadings.

I carry Underwood exclusively!! I use 90 jhp +p and 90 grain hardcast +p. 2 jhps then a hardcast round! G42 loves them!!😂

👍😊 I’m sending this to my sister , it’s her tool.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

It's a decent pistol. It fills a perfect niche. I hate anything but pocket carry, but I have carried this on my belt and the thinness and weight are perfect. Even if this were simply a 12 round double stack, the weight and size would be too much for me to want to carry as with my Ulcerative Colitis and Spondylitis, I cannot tighten a belt enough to carry over 20 OZ. But this is just right there to be doable. And it's reliable.

@chrisgabbert658

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam l haven’t shot it but I handled it, it feels good, we talked about the gripping of a pistol and my thoughts on gripping.

Could you do a new hard barrier penetration test with different loads. I love those tests. Awesome job Sam!!

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I have for years been wanting to do something like, a windshield into gel test. I just have not gotten around to picking up an old windshield somewhere. I should really do it, make a wooden rack to hold them in from of the gel etc.

Comrade test 9x18! Makarov! Seriously thanks for what you do!

Yes hollowpoints are crazy accurate. The first time I used my Glock 23 I had 3 boxes of fmj’s, a box of AAC xtp’s, 2 boxes of civil defense, and a box of 180 gr HST. All were 50 boxes except the civil defense. When I had gone through the FMJ’s first, then I went to the civil defense and they felt asininely accurate compared to the FMJ’s. Then went to the cheap AAC xtp’s and same amazing accuracy. The HST’s were better than the FMJ’s but felt ever so slightly less accurate than the civil defense and XTP’s, which surprised me.

Interesting

Well said at the end Sam...clear gel tears easy, bodies don't, fluids rebound in microseconds people are dumb. XTP+P MDF results 14" Pen .471 Exp=2.44 cu in Tissue Crush similar to the better .38 plus P loads from 2" snubs. In a heavier longer barrel pistol like a Cheetah clone if you can fire a full box make sure reliable these make .380 NOT SUCK (cheap 9mm jhp about 3" cu in of Tissue Crush fyi, best 4"). Maybe a Bersa/Glock 42 would still meet expansion threshold but a 2.8" LCP they may not and recoil is probably too much for most & slide velocity more likely to cause jams. Would love @Paul Harrell to test the Underwood 90 grain .380 XTP+P from different barrel lengths on the meat target. At least from a long barrel/heavier pistol IF RELIABLE these seem to be the winner for .380! Paul I'd like to send you those 9mm 124+p hexvent winchesters to test too please say from p365 & 92.

Seen a lot of tests of 380 ammo. Now I just carry winchester white box flat nose in my lcp2. At least it will reach in there and touch something with a 50/50 shot at a tumble. I will pick up a box of federal hydroshock deep once in a while, those aren't too bad. Just nearly impossible to find.

Wow, did you see the plus P in the dimmer block that the bullet first went through before it went to the clear block wow that was some devastating dumping of energy into the darker block upfront

The defenders preform well i had trouble with them feeding in my glock 42

Missouri Bullet Company sells a 380 ACP Bullet “ For Secret Agent Use Only “. It is a round ball Bullet in the 95 ish grain size. If you can buy them… It would be interesting to see the performance of a Secret Agent boolit.

Well on the topic of shooting a wild boar lol they do well. They do different damage than a jhp , but a similar amount. Depends on the clambering as well. Out of a .350 legend the 90 grain XD is gnarly. The 9mm does about the same damage as a traditional jhp but at rifle velocity the absolutely shred tissue. I loaded some of the 68 grain bullets into .350 legend as well but haven't shot anything with them yet. They are hitting 3100 fps though so that's kinda insane. I'm willing to bet that they will be devastating after seeing what they did to a block of organic 10% ballistic gel. Looked like someone pulled a spinning grappling hook through the block.

Guy and Gals do a 'street load' ball, hollow, ball, hollow etc.

Re-watching @Paul Harrell tests .380 in short & long barrels...in longer barrels Sam the Winchester 95 jhp 3 of 4 expanded where as none in short barrel. W EZ now instead of lcp those may be worth testing...also in longer barrel HST got further penetration with full expansion more power drove them deeper. Check out the Girsan 14T New Beretta 86 clone. I'm tempted just because sexy and good choice for disabled/elderly/new women shooters I think w Tip up Barrel loading with hammer already down safe to carry DA/SA style

Shootingthebull410 channel, has a .380 performance test and the XTP bullets did the best.

From other tests that I’ve seen it appears that the +p makes a substantial difference in the short barrel of the LCP Max and similar short barreled pistols. The longer barreled pistols seem to give a lot of different 380 ammo just the increase in speed it needs to perform just good enough. But for me the size of the bigger 380 pistols is too big for my deep concealment needs so I use the +p to get any ballistic advantage possible from the cartridge. Before making the switch I was using flat nose FMJ. My current load is definitely an improvement.

@triggerbarPhD

Жыл бұрын

Be careful, according to the ruger manual, the lcp max cannot handle +p loads. I’m sure you can do it once…but at some point it will break. Read your manual!!

@justingilmer3642

Жыл бұрын

@Trigger-Bar Philosopher any and all 380 pistol manuals should say that the pistol is not +p rated because there is no spec for 380 +p. I've got a heavyweight recoil spring installed and it runs fine. If I wear it out I'll buy another one.

@Followme556

Жыл бұрын

@@triggerbarPhD Ive been using +P in LCPs for over a decade. No problems.

@triggerbarPhD

Жыл бұрын

@@justingilmer3642 I know there is no spec but when the manufacturer says don’t do it, I follow that. Up to everyone else to do what they want. It’s just some people don’t know it’s not recommended by the manufacturer.

@oldcop18

Жыл бұрын

Recently p/u the LCP Max and have put over 400 rounds of FMJ & HP ammo through it absent a single malfunction. Even tried to get it to fail by mixing FMJ and different brands of HP rounds in the same mag. I got it for the sights, trigger & 13 round capacity (w/a 12 round mag) & it’s carried in the supplied pocket holster. Thx for another informative video Sam.

I'm enjoying the .380 testing as I'm carrying one due to the warmer weather, etc. I am under the impression that FMJ MIGHT be the best option for this cartridge. Seems like if and when it tumbles (based on my limited testing) you get better performance than you see with hollow points

@babeeeTrex

Жыл бұрын

The xtp in this test performed absolutely perfectly.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

From what I have seen, as heavy as possible will tumble the best. I haven't went all out in testing FMJ in .380, but with like .38 Special, 158 and 130 gr ball will tumble as where flat point will not. I am not sure 100% at what point (weight wise) .380 ACP tumbles.

@falcon3719

Жыл бұрын

.380 fmj flat point test would be great.

@DanTheWolfman

Жыл бұрын

XTPs are the way to go especially in the longer barrels...though the winchester flat point ain't that far behind. 88 gr HTP's seems to often tumble, and real world perhaps the 102 gr Golden Sabers might too but who knows.

@DanTheWolfman

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam XTPs are the way to go especially in the longer barrels...though the winchester flat point ain't that far behind IMO. 88 gr HTP's seems to often tumble, and real world perhaps the 102 gr Golden Sabers might too but who knows.

I think all of those would sting. I wouldn't fire any of them out of a 380 that didn't use a locked breach rather than straight blowback.

The .380 is good for head shots as it can be extremely accurate with a heavy gun such as my Bersa Thunder Plus that has a 15 round mag. If this Old Man(73) can hit head shots at 25 feet then so can all you younger men,or women. Shots to the throat are deadly also. Body shots not so much. Thanks for going to all the effort showing us how ammo works in gel.

@taasch2505

Жыл бұрын

yeah but it's totally different if someone else is also shooting back. You're not making precision shots under stress, most people arent. And a knife inside of 7 yards can be put inside of you before you pull the trigger in a lot of cases. Torso shots will be what most can accomplish in that type of situation. As someone who did grow up on the street let me just say, never let it get to your head that because you have a gun you're safe from people with weapons like that. They sneak you, they run fast, they turn and move quick. That's why a revolver is king in close quarters. Doesnt jam, snag, get pushed out of battery, you just pull the trigger from any awkward position and it will go bang. I also carry a semi auto but in .40 S&W. If my threat is not at distances of 7 yards or more I'm always going for the revolver first.

@northshores7319

Жыл бұрын

@@taasch2505 I practice pulling mu gun as if I was attacked at close quarters. Even the 10-11 inches of penetration of the .380 can be lethal at close range as it is not even 10 inches to reach the heart. You are totally right that nothing beats a revolver for up close and personal shooting as proved by the Son Of Sam who killed people with his Charter Armes 'Bulldog 44 Special' with head shots from extremely close distance.

@taasch2505

Жыл бұрын

@@northshores7319 well those .38s from Buffalo bore are pretty mean. Son of Sam was the aggressor against unarmed and unexpected victims. Evidence has also surfaced he worked in a small group to do the killings. In not saying a .380 can't do it. I just feel it leaves a bit to ne desired. As a rule of thumb I try to stick to loads that can push out 300 ft lbs of energy from the muzzle as a minimum for what I carry. If I can get close to 500 ft lbs or more I'm really happy though.

Interesting you find the 90 gr extreme defenders to kick harder, and so hard out of that pistol. Because I have shot plenty of both the 68 gr +p extreme defenders and the item 152 90 gr +p JHP, and I found the 67 gr +p extreme defenders to kick significantly harder than the 90 gr +p JHP’s, out of an LCP, with no malfunctions BTW :P I’ve never had a single malfunction with my LCP and I’ve taken it to the range at least 12 times and put hundreds of rounds through it, including at least sixty 68 gr +p extreme defenders and fourty 90 gr +p jhp’s, as well as fourty critical defense and fourty sig v crowns. Never one malfunction, ever. I actualt qualified for my CWP with my LCP because I had no ammo for my Glock 23 yet lol. I had ordered some online but it did not get delivered in time. And I got 23/25 shots with it.

Penetration in clear gel is usually less than calibrated FBI gel. FYI.

I carry at times a Ruger LCP Max Loaded with Winchester White box FNFMJ And my Ruger Security 380 standard pressure UW XTP But I feel just as comfortable with WB FNFMJ Id like to see UW 100gr Hard cast tested

I have to ride my thumb over the safety lever on my ez 380.

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It’s known the Leighi version is not as fast as UW. On MAC he found the same results you’re showing of UW vs LH. MAC felt like the UW 380 +P 90gr had the same exact results as the 9mm. I’d be willing for you to compare the 380 90gr +P vs 9mm 90gr +P in UW but how do I use pateron to do that??

Filmed 4/29/23

The Leigh bullets could be experiencing spin drift at that distance. They are intentionally designed to have a lot of drag, hence why they are just barely tapping the plate at 75 yards. Im guessing they have lost a lot of forward momentum at that range, but still have a relatively high rotational velocity. Like a frisbee, at first it goes relatively straight and as it runs out of forward momentum it begins to drift left or right depending on which way it was spun. Bullets experiencing the same phenomenon except it is normal not a factor until relatively long ranges. An other name for this phenomenon is the Magnus effect.

@almaadams3631

6 ай бұрын

Seemed like the Defenders were getting "windshield deflection" from the MDF between the gel. ( Diving down)

i seen this before, although i reload ive been checking the extreme standard defender standard for my 380 pistols. I'm highly interested and expressed. papa.

Hello Sexy Sam... it's been awhile since I've been on KZread. Good to seeya still on here. Be Safe Always

@mollyyantis663

Жыл бұрын

I haven't been on here in awhile

I would still like to see what the spent cartridge cases look like, in particular the primers and case head. I am very dubious of how safe Underwood and Buffalo Bore ammunition really is. I Jane experience with the old SuperVel and Corbon ammo and can say with certainty that many of their offerings were unsafe. I suspect this is the same situation.

@hillbillyscholar8126

2 ай бұрын

I “have” experience…not “Jane”…

I'm looking at LOTS of different loads and bullets for my wife's Shield EZ. So far its just been FMJ's of various brands. I've avoided any +P loads as there aren't any actual standards for them. Most of the HP rounds don't go fast enough for good expansion and the penetration isn't good. I was hoping for better results with the Underwood fluted rounds.

@GunSam

8 ай бұрын

I will save you some time. Federal Hydrashok Deep. I have tested a lot of ammo in my EZ and this is the one, no doubt. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pItmyattYJOdl5M.html

Wonder if any of Remington's Golden Sabre or HTP offerings would do well in .380....

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/dGWYlsGmcdKqlJc.html

My Heart is maybe 4-5 inches inside my chest. A simple tap or nick on it is enough to make it palpitate and possibly stop. Check out what this thing does at about 4-5 inches inside.

Like it or not the .380 has put lots of people in the ground.

Thanks for that comparison. I agree, the +P looked like it was just too much for the gun.

Had an Shield, had to send it back to the factory and still malfunctioned, so on to Ruger, thinking of the Ruger Security or maybe just step up to .45.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear. I know how it feels when people say "I have never had a problem" with guns some people have a problem with, as it's like they are calling you a liar, so I do regret that has happened in your situation. For me, S&W and M&P have been across the board the most reliable handguns I have ever owned, more so than Glock, Ruger and others. I have the Security 9 and it is well made, works great so I will assume the .380 version is pretty good too.

@geraldblackburn4883

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Good to hear, as a 45 is quite hard to carry and I think the 380 Security is a good choice.

Buffalo Bore May be another choice if the firearm can handle the pressure .

Don't the EZ Shields have a "no safty" option?

@GunSam

6 ай бұрын

have no idea. Not at any of the stores I was at.

Is it lethal?

.380 vs .380 2 different guns? Lcp vs mp

You can shoot +P through sheild EZ?

@GunSam

7 ай бұрын

No manufacturer will say that you can. However, I feel fine about doing it in moderation as it's a well made pistol.

@thomastune776

7 ай бұрын

@GunSam thank you my friend 🤜🤛

Xtp's are some high performance ball ammo lol

BROTHER IN LAW CARRIES A 380 LIKE THIS ONE -- WHILE THE NEW AMMO DOES SEEM TO MAKE IT A REALLY VIABLE OPTION -- JUST DOESNT FEEL LIKE QUITE ENOUGH GUN TO ME STILL -- I'M STICKING TO MY 3in 357 -- 140gr XTP RELOADS - I CALL IT MY STOOGE CANNON

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

What I like is how quick and effortless follow up shots are. Nearly everything needs timing, but much like a .22 a big .380 will just keep landing shots with no skill involved. I like stuff like that, as I always figure under extreme pressure I lose most of my range skill from adrenalin, so something easy like this but still pretty effective, is nice.

@jimnagel5611

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam TOTALLY AGREE -- ON RARE OCCASION I CARRY MY RUGER SR22 -- JUST KEEP PULLING THE TRIGGER & MOST SHOTS ARE WITHIN AN INCH OR TWO OF EACH OTHER -- PRETTY EFFECTIVE TOO I WOULD THINK

RoaR

@357SWAGNUM_MAGA_X

Жыл бұрын

Dino, you need help

@DinoNucci

Жыл бұрын

@@357SWAGNUM_MAGA_X wrong

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

@@357SWAGNUM_MAGA_X I have been curious about the roar comments, not the first. But I try to not make a habit of poking things that can roar.

Any Underwood ammo would be ok.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Yes, most is good. Even in their rounds that are not great compared to Buffalo Bore like .357 Mag, they are still a tad more powerful and a tad less expensive than typical Federal, Winchester and Remington magnum ammo.

That's why I'm not a fan of thumb safeties.

For users of blowback .380s: Do not use these high pressure ammos! Wrecking a sexy little Beretta Cheetah for the sake of novelty ammo testing would be a tragedy!

@DanTheWolfman

Жыл бұрын

Why would 10-20 rounds to function test hurt a strong aluminum frame of a bigger heavier cheetah????

@macriggland6526

Жыл бұрын

@@DanTheWolfman The cheetah isn’t stronger. It’s faster. Direct blowback runs faster than locked breech but locked breech is a sturdier design. Why didn’t they just make a cheetah in 9x19? Why have they never made a cheetah in 9x19?

@DanTheWolfman

Жыл бұрын

@@macriggland6526 ok but someone above said they carry that ammo I'm cheetah. I don't think 10-20 rounds of higher slide velocity is really going to batter frame that much to test reliability. I'm interested I'm girsan new 86 clone w this plus p xtp that why checking

@macriggland6526

Жыл бұрын

@@DanTheWolfman virtually zero reward but significantly increased risks. Still gonna be like a weaker 9mm round, so still a two hitter. No better than two squarely placed hits to the chest with mid grade FMJ

@macriggland6526

Жыл бұрын

@@DanTheWolfman The “maximalist” mindset is not appropriate for the philosophy of use of .380 handgun. The most impressive .380 round is still less impressive than mid grade 9mm.

Massad Ayoob seems to think the .380 isnt that great for stopping threats. The .380 was phased out from most service weapons. That's basically enough to tell me to pass on em.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Most people say it's the just good enough caliber, lowest starting place. I have to agree. Technically when you push it hard, it gets minimum expansion and penetration that is needed, just barely. Sort of like taking a 1930 Ford up to 54 MHP and using it as an everyday transport car. It will do it like everything else, sort of lol

@357SWAGNUM_MAGA_X

Жыл бұрын

He did do a video on xtreme defender+ P recently and he approved it

@357SWAGNUM_MAGA_X

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/lXyIzLSLhJWYaLA.html

@Followme556

Жыл бұрын

Greg Ellefritz's stopping power study shows almost no difference in the effectiveness of any duty caliber- including 380. That's thousands of shootings over various calibers.

@taasch2505

Жыл бұрын

@@357SWAGNUM_MAGA_X if you watched he said "you could do better" in regards to .380. He also added the anecdote that a buddy of his had shot a guy 7 times with his .380 and the guy kept coming. Then he stopped and sat down and died after several minutes. He said that was the last time his friend ever carried the .380. If the guy was on a heavy substance that might have played out worse. It's just something to think about is all I'm saying. If you can't handle more than .380 then fine. But if you can i have no idea why you'd opt for one.

Something doesn't seem right. Another KZreadr (Tools&Targets) was getting over 1200 FPS with the Defender out of a 2.75 LCP Max barrel. Another inch of barrel should increase the FPS noticeably.

@GunSam

11 ай бұрын

Seems right to me. Why would you think universally more barrel always means more velocity? It's .380 ACP, it's maxing out it's power in a short barrel. If you were talking .357 Mag or even 9mm+P, sure the velocity gains as it gets up to maybe 16" and then after that bore drag slows it more. A .380 ACP is basically maxed out in a little 3" barrel, you will gain some velocity in a little more barrel but not a lot.

I believe S&W advises no + P ammo in the 380 EZ ... Inspect it well next time you clean it. I don't know their reasoning, but suspect the light recoil spring puts a lot strain on the slide stops along the frame rails.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Every pistol company will have in their manual for .380 ACP pistols, that using +P is not recommended as there's no SAAMI standard for the pressure.

@petergrant9259

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Interesting, and maybe why Federal does not make a 380acp + P HST...the reg HST seems to expand nice, but not penetrate more than 10 inches. have you tested the federal Hydra shock DEEP 380 yet?

A lot of energy spent making good videos. Sam you have the testing down. You are really good at doing consistent tests. But .... If you don't use the short barrel, you are giving me and many others precisely nothing. SMH.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

What is funny, is when I used the LCP I would get non stop comments like yours, but reversed. Tests were basically worthless because I need more barrel etc. Can't please everyone. But another main reason is ammo like this jams up my LCP. It runs with ball and regular hollow points in the 140-150 ft lb range just fine, anything in this energy range and then I deal with non stop comments about how I need to buy an LCP max and throw my LCP in the river etc etc etc, all for tests I never wanted to do to begin with because I know how unreliable all pocket autos can be.

@nomorerainbows

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Try a 13lb recoil spring in your LCP, and hold the gun tighter.

@scottblackwell1215

Жыл бұрын

You do great work. But the 2 calibers that are the most sensitive to barrel length are .38 and .380. The questions always remains. What will it do from a 2" barrel? Will it expand, and if it does will it penetrate enough. Don't get discouraged. We are watching your content.

Yup, many times +P is marketed who suffer from short P syndrome. Like my cousin half-a-man, would always buy the biggest car he could. Needed to sit on the yellow pages to see over the steering wheel.

@Followme556

Жыл бұрын

I'll bet you have lots of friends.

There is no SAAMI spec for a +P in .380. No way would I carry such ammo. I was considering the standard pressure flying screwdriver ammo for use in my LCP Max, but hitting the target takes precedence over terminal ballistics. I will stick with Hornady Critical Defense. Thanks for the testing.

@nomorerainbows

Жыл бұрын

So don't.

@nomorerainbows

Жыл бұрын

@@triggerbarPhD I do. How does that make you feel?

Prepare yourself to keep shooting with marginal guns.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Okay?

I did my research before I bought the .380 EZ, everyone said buy the one without the thumb safety. They all said the ones with the thumb safety have issues of the safety popping up into the safe position while they are firing. I guess it was a huge issue.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

All my M&P's have similar safeties. Very large and very loose so they can go on easily. I never cared much as I don't even carry them, that being said I stared carrying the .380 EZ a few times as loaded it's only 20 OZ and really slim. I just need to be aware of the safety issue so I carry 90 gr Gold Dot in it, very low recoil.

@Followme556

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam on any gun with a frame mounted safety like the 1911, or the Sig 365 or the EZ, you are supposed to ride the safety with your thumb, which prevents that from happening. It's trained in from day 1 in shooting courses for people who use firearms with that feature, if you have a good instructor.

Some people carry 22mag for self defense, so 380 should be fine. Maybe not the best choice, but it's better than a knife or mace.

298 fpe for .380 is fucking absurd. And so is the damage. Maybe .380 is better than 9mm haha. I guess I’m smart for owning .40, .380, and two 9mm’s haha. The 9mm’s are really my wife’s, and OG APX and the Sig P365 XL rose comp 9mm And for sure the +p extreme defenders in an LCP genuinely hurts your fingers (Buffalo Bore said its fine to shoot +p occasionally in it, and olenty of KZreadrs have.) but dam that shit kicks 🦵 lol

@GunSam

8 ай бұрын

I honestly think .380 hot is better than 9mm. I have seen a LOT of footage from police cams where 9mm fails to work well. The older reports of cops using .38+P had it working so much better than current 9mm. So what I honestly think is going on, is that 9mm penetrates really deep BEFORE it starts expanding, thus not dumping energy. I have heard reports of how 9mm Gold Dots will almost go through a body, stop on the skin on the back. Rounds that dump energy fast like old school .38's and .357 Mags with semi jacketed bullets as well as .380's that are light and expand if a HP, will also immediately dump energy so I think that's what's going on. A lot of people quote energy, but it's definitely not everything. I can almost guarantee that one of the old school light loaded 110 gr SJHP .357 Mags that do about 1,200 FPS will drop a man significantly better than a basic Gold Dot 115 gr JHP at the same velocity.