As a ball main, being called a 1/10 is a compliment compared to what my teammates call me on a daily basis

@Shrimp4Gura

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, i pick ball in spawn waiting for doors to open "can we not go ball" "gg tanked picked ball, we lose" "oh god we have a ball" like bro, i have 200 hours on ball, why you gotta judge me before you see me play?

@Keldiur

5 ай бұрын

​@@Shrimp4Gurathe thing about Ball is its the hardest tank to see if he is doing well or not for most players. Tip, if the enemy team just has their back to you because Ball gets a support pick, he is a great Ball. You just will not see him half the time.

@cagxplays9602

5 ай бұрын

based

@zacharymichelfontelus-libu6569

5 ай бұрын

​@@Keldiur my go to is if you're not seeing a lot of figthing as a dps or support, I'm not in the kill feed often, andd when you find enemies it's groups of 2 or 3 vs 4?? then you have a good ball

@Shrimp4Gura

5 ай бұрын

@@Keldiur yeah, thats what players below diamond dont understand, ball isnt an instant deleter tank, he's a disruptor/distractor

Don’t worry. In OW3, we’ll be swapping to 12v12, and we will be getting some new notable characters such as: Medical man, mechanic, reconnaissance, pyromaniac, overweight, and French Sombra.

@Iwantbrains247

5 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure they are just going to do away with tanks and dps. It will be 24 supports fighting it out for 24 hour games.

@SC4TTER_

5 ай бұрын

.. team fortress 2?

@burningemerald1203

5 ай бұрын

Can you imagine spy as sombra? Just french laughter after gunning down the supports. God that would be hilarious.

"by death #4 they'll realize they have to take less damage"..... Oh you sweet, innocent summer child

@yesnonoyessir

5 ай бұрын

By 4th death they start ACTIVELY throwing your game because they can't fathom there might be a better way to play than theirs

@weebtrash3376

5 ай бұрын

@Fultonian-ve1ibmy junkrat on his way to peak the same widow lane on circuit royale.

@Juliana-qe2th

5 ай бұрын

the one time i played comp as mercy/kiri, my lucio only healed and never speedboosted and he yelled at me for not exclusively healing our tank when i was trying to damage boost our dps. i shot back that lucio isnt just supposed to AOE heal and his value is in his speed, but then my whole team yelled at me for that. metal ranks suck for people with no aim 🙃

@cvlnMCDonut

5 ай бұрын

​@Juliana-qe2th bro. I felt that. I was playing Lucio and someone on my team cried because our Ana had more healing. Not to mention my team was so scattered there was no healing on Lucio.

@dirusj4006

5 ай бұрын

I had a dps die at the exact same location on lihang tower to hog hook off the map more than 4 times. Just kept walking up and dying... then flamed our team

I've been binging these tiktok videos while I'm sick/bedridden and can't play, thank you so much and keep up all the good work flats!

@revelis_

5 ай бұрын

Get well soon stranger

@CheeZForReal

5 ай бұрын

Just have Kiri throw a suzu on you so you're not sick anymore

@darkscoutergamer6168

5 ай бұрын

Take care plz 💙 and stay safe and speedy recovery

@josueorozco8729

5 ай бұрын

Bro, I have a massive fever and am doing the same thing

@yuh8846

5 ай бұрын

get a pocket mercy

"supports aren't op" *presses a single button and instantly kills the tank from full hp*

@cagxplays9602

5 ай бұрын

12:50 the guy in chat that said "yeah but think about how many cooldowns he baited flats" had me rolling.

6:36 some examples of the devs nerfing the wrong part of a heroes kit is mercy. season two everyone was complaining about how mercys DAMAGE BOOST made sojourn still be able to one shot. the next season the devs left damage boost untouched and instead nerfed her movement and further increased her pocket potential by buffing her heals. another example is ana, instead of reducing nades anti effect against tanks to 2.5 seconds, they increased the cooldown. same thing about kiriko suzu. instead of the devs changing what’s fundamentally wrong about the ability, they usually just nerf the cooldown which doesnt change what the community is complaining about, it just makes the hero feel worse to play. for genji instead of looking at how role passives may benefit some heroes more than others, they nerfed him. (im sure this will happen again next season with the new role passives) team four is basically notorious for band aid fixes and not actually addressing the issues head on and them doing that is the main cause of why overwatch is so power creeped right now.

@shinsoku9128

5 ай бұрын

no please don't jinx it. i swear to god, if they nerf genji, i will finally uninstall (i won't) and throw my computer out of the window (i will)

@MrBreakdownx

5 ай бұрын

​@@shinsoku9128 Not gonna hold you I'm for trying the passive changes, but characters like sombra or widow are going to be obnoxious. Gee I wonder if we had something to mitigate that.

@someGuy-kl7cb

5 ай бұрын

Go into a mercy chat room and say you want to slightly nerf mercy to understand why they had issues balancing her edit: ;_; im so sorry for the spam, my internet glitched and kept resending it telling me it never sent.

@piusdoe8984

5 ай бұрын

The Ow devs are complete morons. I refuse to believe they actually play the game. Or they must just play quickplay. Anyway the player base can also be wrong a lot of the time.

@someGuy-kl7cb

5 ай бұрын

@Fultonian-ve1ib im tired of pretending the four season dive meta was fun when it was literally the least diverse meta we have ever had. even goats had some variation to how its played, just because it wasn't the worst meta doesn't mean it was all that great either. there was literally six viable heros and the playstyle was one of the most generic possible. brig's introduction was created solely because that playstyle was so oversaturated and stale that they needed to create a hero designed to put a stop to it. thats not to say goats, double shield, etc weren't horrible and ruined the game, in fact the bar is so far forward i don't blame people for looking at the other metas with rose tinted goggles, but imho dive is next in line behind those two metas, and is only tolerable because it was fast paced and engaging, unlike double shield and goats. id consider the meta right before bap got his fast fire rate nerf reverted to be the "peak" of overwatch, because truly EVERY playstyle and hero was viable for an entire season. early ow was great, but only because the game was new and a concept like overwatch was never explored with tf2 being long buried in the dust, we were learning, enjoying the characters but then dive happened once people started mastering the game, people loved it..yknow until the fourth season of seeing the same 6 heros mirrored every game.

Why get stun chained when you can mentally CC yourself by watching TikTok?

@ashleyjohnson7433

5 ай бұрын

its like I am actually playing overwatch right now -Tank player

@Mattlott222

5 ай бұрын

Tiktok brain is a real condition.

@heinrichkrull2523

5 ай бұрын

How did equality pyromancer feel?

@Mattlott222

5 ай бұрын

@@heinrichkrull2523 science

First clip is undeniably true. When I began watching ML7 intensely to try and improve my Ana (in ow1) I very quickly noticed that we're literally not playing the same game. Yes, you can learn some things from better players, of course. But no you can not "play like a GM" in Plat and expect to get results (if you're not a GM player, obviously). I think the majority of it comes down to aim too. ML7 busting out 80%+ accuracy a game while I felt proud of hitting 60% should be where I learn. His method of flanking to get picks isn't something I could replicate, because I wasn't good enough at aiming. I learned from him via things like sleep priority, nano priority, quickscoping, etc, like the more "mental" aspect of Overwatch as opposed to playstyle. This is also why I hate the "you can learn from smurfs in your games" because no you actually can't. If they have a GM smurfing to plat on widow being given even 1% support by her team, you will not learn a thing from that game. "But you'll learn to play cover!!" yeah and do nothing the entire game because they'll hit their shots every time. You can learn from slightly better players, but not the absolutely COLLOSSAL gap between plat/gold and GM.

It's official! flats is an undying supporter of making overwatch 25v25 🎉

@dwarvenwolfhunter

5 ай бұрын

My source is that I imagined him saying it once

@BeastMode-bw2ry

5 ай бұрын

Funnily enough. I'd rather play that then 5v5.

@munchlax6577

5 ай бұрын

Me when my 7th support is throwing and my 4th tank is lagging but my 10th dps is hard-carrying

@Iznoot

5 ай бұрын

This made me laugh more than any comment I have ever read ever.@@munchlax6577

I do think personally having both game modes available would be a good way to determine how 6v6 vs 5v5 could work with all the current reworks and such just to see which is better I'm personally on the 6v6 train but I acknowledge why 5v5 is also good and has its positives

@starfruitmark3305

5 ай бұрын

Maybe (and hear me out) in future Quick Play Hacked events :D

@diablotry5154

5 ай бұрын

​@Fultonian-ve1ib 6v6 as an arcade mode...

@aemortalidiot3979

5 ай бұрын

6v6 is dog with current reworks. Just anecdotal, but 2 tanks is wack af. Just imagine having a doom or ball diving you without their main downside: that their team doesnt have a tank.

@diablotry5154

5 ай бұрын

@@aemortalidiot3979 guess what, that was what ow1 was like. A ball diving you and they still had a tank...

@aemortalidiot3979

5 ай бұрын

@@diablotry5154 except that in current-day patch. Ball has had all of his OW1 nerfs reverted, + extra damage and armour. So yeah, I guess if you are talking about OW1 release ball, you are correct.

1:51 By death number 4 they're gonna realize they have to report their supports. Pretty sure that's how most ow players think.

Tempering your strategy for your rank is a real thing. In rocket league its distinct, I drop diamond on season resets and have to grind back to champ, and the difference in how you can rely on teammates is like night and day between two ranks.

@JimGamingTV

5 ай бұрын

sometimes you get so tired of blaming teammates that it really is just easier to have the mindset of “I can’t help them to play less shit, so i’m gonna take it into my own hands.”

@Cytro

5 ай бұрын

true, though even in champ I get teammates that own goal in overtime, very painful

@kingofgrim4761

5 ай бұрын

I’ll never understand how a controller player is expected to play rocket league and do the types of tricks I be seeing. Gotta either have an elite controller, play claw type shit or switch your whole controls which 4 years in is far too much muscle memory for me to overcome

@Cytro

5 ай бұрын

@@kingofgrim4761 most professionals and freestylers actually use controller, like 90%. It's mainly just the grip they use and the amount of experience they have that let's them do all those crazy shots. Saying this as a keyboard and mouse player, which is arguably a bit more difficult than controller, although there is barely anything you can't do on kbm that you can do on controller

@PandaFan2443

5 ай бұрын

​@@kingofgrim4761 I play double claw on rocket league

"There is a lot more counter swapping in metal ranks" nah bro, in diamond/master, i roll out on doom, enemy tank dies once in the first 30 secoonds and they go orisa/hog IMMEDIATELY

As for the 5v5 vs 6v6 debate, I was initially really against 5v5, but when ow2 first dropped, I became a tank main and it felt great, I felt invincible. Now that supports have powercrept up on tanks, and it became miserable to play tank, I can definitely see the argument for reverting.

Honestly, Overwatch Tiktok is a pretty interesting bubble. You either see some pretty funny memes/moments or just the worst takes of all time.

The 6v6 thing got me thinking they clearly can lock out sets of characters based on who else is picked. If they ever were looking at it again why have tank as a single roll, but have different sections, and anyone with a shield (Rein, Winston, Ramatra, Sigma) and if you pick one of those the other 3 are locked out. That way you never have the horrible multiple shields. If you were looking to go back to two tanks I think that would be reasonable.

@therojoking7039

5 ай бұрын

Hey it's one of the funny FGO men. but yeah those are kinda good suggestions but say you want to play to play Ram but the other tank hotkeys Rein and then sucks ass but refuses to switch so you're locked out of the arguably better tank because this chuckle fuck has a head made of stone.

@JimGamingTV

5 ай бұрын

I kinda also like the fact that Paladins classified DPS and flankers because implementing something like a DPS passive (even if it’s toned down support passive) that still means that DPS characters with high mobility will possibly be able to get in and out of fights pretty quick while slower DPS may be taken out of the fight longer than other DPS

@PoeticMistakes

5 ай бұрын

at this point we basically need to have the conversation about actually dividing up the roles into their subroles (offtank, maintank, flex support, main support). although there were comps that break out of that pairing system like old hog/D.va or brig/lucio

@hallowedchromee310

5 ай бұрын

@@PoeticMistakes Honestly it would be very cool to see more than just three roles again, however a consequence of such an action would be that if you could only get locked into one or the other then we would lose more diverse team comps right. The game has already changed so much that I doubt bringing back 6v6 will feel very good anyways unless a multitude of heroes receive some hefty reworks, and we know how long those take.

@xhingpengh5740

5 ай бұрын

Problem with this. If im a rein main in ow1, i just hope they dont pick him. With this idea, if they go my main, or any other sheild hero (becomes more likely as they add more) then i cant play my main.

7:34 getting pro players feedback is also dangerous because of the amount of bias. When illari got nerfed everyone but Toronto were happy because sir majed was really good on illari at least that’s what I heard from the uncoachable podcast

@cagxplays9602

5 ай бұрын

Probably because everyone plays her like a healer when we all know she is just a dps that heals without even having to look at the team.

@DontBeBad

5 ай бұрын

@@cagxplays9602 Toronto (defiant) is an overwatch league (overwatch esports) team that had sir majed and he became good with the hero and the other teams didn’t have as good of an illari player.

@cagxplays9602

5 ай бұрын

@@DontBeBad I can't say I have heard of him, but if I had to guess, he played the character like a dps that can heal.

@kingofgrim4761

5 ай бұрын

@@cagxplays9602so zenyatta? Lol

@cagxplays9602

5 ай бұрын

@@kingofgrim4761 That's how you should be playing most supports tbh, the only exceptions are probably lifeweaver and mercy, but even then, you can make some aggressive plays with them at times. Majority of the metal ranks don't think like this though, they see supports as healbots, which is just incredibly false.

As someone who was stuck in silver for many seasons who is now diamond 3 - you can learn a lot from higher ranks. Yes your team is probably not playing the best positions but if you understand the ebb and flow and the ideal position for your character you can adjust! This along with actually doing damage is what got me unstuck

@333Abs

5 ай бұрын

Still got a long way to go and currently trying to figure out what’s holding me back from ranking up but that’s the key for bronze-plat IMO because anyone can healbot

So all ur videos I’ve watched and listened to ur advice I’ve finally made it to masters and now in masters three cuz of it thank u flats

flats upload is always a good day

5:56 I never expected Flats ASMR but I’m genuinely here for it

@kendrysevilla3922

5 ай бұрын

Ur weird as fuck

i used to always be scoped in as ana until i made it to mid plat into diamond and realized i had to balance scoped and unscoped. was a hard lesson learned.

@Cytro

5 ай бұрын

Lol that's insane, I've barely made it out of silver and I balance it fairly well. Though I do keep up in mid plat games

So my take isn't "Oh if we need to rework every ability, maybe 5v5 doesn't work". I felt from the very beginning that these sorts of reworks were going to be needed the moment 5v5 was announced. The Devs just did the bare minimum trying to rush OW2 out of the door at the last minute and didn't actually do much other than move health and armor values around (aside from Orisa, who was one of the few characters that got massive changes to suit 5v5). They should have looked at every character from the ground up to see if parts of their kits (Zen Orb, Hog Oneshot, Ana Nade...Rein in general) to see if they actually worked. To be clear, I'm not a fan of 5v5, but I don't see all these reworks as a negative indictment towards it. This is what SHOULD have been done in the first place.

@smefgrimstae7845

5 ай бұрын

This, for me as someone who didn't play OW1, was very clear from the balancing issues everyone is/was complaining about. Clearly, the presence of two extra players each match is a big deal and changes a lot about the game. Removing them, and leaving most kits fundamentally as they were, with number changes here and there, was always going to result in a bad player experience; they were playing a new game with not just old characters, but characters design around a whole different game environment. We have improper tools with which to play. So, so many reworks needed to happen for a single-tank format. Currently, I think it wouldn't be wildly out of place to say we're playing an imperfect, unrefined version of the game. We still aren't totally in a 5v5 game because we have 6v6 characters. So it'd be sort of unfair to criticise 5v5 as an unfinished product against 6v6 which was. The current game, of course, has problems which do warrant criticism. I just mean that the 5v5 vs 6v6 debate isn't weighing two fully developed games against one another.

“By death #4 they’ll realize they have to take less damage” flats must not have played a lot in metal ranks

lmao he called the thing him at first i was dying

CHOO CHOO The 6v6 train has left the station! xD

Nothing brings me more pain than Overwatch tiktoks

the second i stopped caring for what my teammates are doing is when i started climbing

Flats turning into Pac Man at the end.

Damn, I learned so much from the commentary on the first clip. I have made it to masters with support, but for the first time I truly understand the importance of not being a healbot. I have also noticed that in masters when playing ana I can subconsciously concentrate more on doing damage and anti healing enemies because teammates now how to play cover and not take damage 24/7.

Flats, you may not be on the 6v6 train, but your at the station debating whether the ticket is worth the price.

3:55 As a Rein Player i can 100% confirm that the sanity isnt all there for me...

thanks for the whisper in the quiet section great to see you listening to feedback :') 6v6 talk we used to have 1 tank for face tanking, 1 tank for utility, i think one of the bigger problems is the solo que meta as we have no lfg system, give back lfg help foster an environment for team synergy's more and a bigger pressure on team play in the ladder, see how that and new comp shake the ladder up, my opinion that no one asked for

11:58 and support mains still defend this crap. And what's even funnier, they demand even more buffs....

Flats IS the train...he just doesn't know it yet

The next QP hacked will be like: “Woah sombra has hired mercenaries to help out either side! Jump in and try out Quickplay with one extra tank on both teams! *This weekend only* “

Bro turned into pacman at the very end

Whenever I’m not getting good heals I say “fine I’ll do it myself” and pick a self healing character

Honestly they should Do a limited time 6v6 event, kinda like seasonal events and just see how it goes, if its bad they just stop the event and if 6v6 is worse then that answers that question

@cagxplays9602

5 ай бұрын

See how it goes? We already saw how it went, there was an entire 'prequel' called overwatch...

@littlexmanxet2858

5 ай бұрын

When i say see how it goes i mean see how it goes now, after many Community and Game changes. Could also help with the whole 6v6 vs 5v5 debate nowadays @@cagxplays9602

@BeastMode-bw2ry

5 ай бұрын

@cagxplays9602 And most of it went well with a few exceptions like Goats and double shield. But double shield was caused because they were working on OW2 and as we've found out. It's worse especially the tank role.

@cagxplays9602

5 ай бұрын

@@BeastMode-bw2ry You know goats and double shield was the majority of overwatch 1 right????? Do you even remember how long those metas lasted combined?????????? Double shield was because of a balancing issue? It's almost like the 5v5 problems are also because of balancing issues, crazy right?

@markbo3251

5 ай бұрын

@@cagxplays9602 Double shield lasted so long because OW1 was on life support the last two years instead of getting balanced

I’ve said it from the beginning, 5v5 was a horrible idea. The interplay between tanks was so significant it doesn’t even feel like the same game anymore, in the worst way possible.

Honestly, I would be curious to see 6v6 come back with 4 roles instead of 3. 6v6 was an issue cause of double shield. Separate it into a ass for Barriers and a class for non barriers, and the problem is technically solved

For the 6v6 just add off-tank section. Doom, ball, Mauga, Queen, you name it.

Flattttssss we need your gta roleplay I watched emong but all he was doing was dying and he was STARVING TO DEATH the whole time

Flats is on the 6v6 train?!?! This is bigger news than the patch notes

"btw that's before the mauga-magamagamagamagamagamagamagamagamagamaga"

Flats is onboard with the 6v6 Whoa hey now! One of us One of us

I think all the new heros in OW2 were made for 6v6. Ram, Tank Doom, New Orisa, Mauga, they all work against double shields. Queen, Kiriko, Zen/Kick, Bap, all work against double dive.

Needed that intro, been a plat stuck healer for ever and I’ll get 3k damage and 14k heals and barely have 50% on my mains

6v6 would be vool, bit in not mentally prepared for the SLOG of fighting an Orisa Mauga comp. Not sure they would ever die

3:14 The attractiveness actually depends on the skin they use and the gun charm equipped, like if your a hog using the walrus skin with a pachamari gun charm your a 10, but if your a hog with the butcher skin and the salt charm your a 1

6 direct hits and a rock and the ana still survived Been there my man

The problem with playing for the rank you want to be is that no one's on the same page. I mean it's QP, but I can recognize the different styles of play all at work; someone will seem to be in the Korean mentality of diving solo as Bastion and assume that the entire team behind them is doing the same and so is the enemy team, we have a support who watched an entire day of GM advice videos and is focused on dealing damage but misses that both teams are positioning like Bronze players in QP (which they are) and that their DPS are being pushed right next to them in a move that WOULD end poorly for the enemies if this was Gold or above but it ain't, we have tanks that are hardstuck into the meta mindset and zeroing into tunnel on the enemy tank regardless of circumstances and feel like everything's going smooth until they look up and realize the entire team is more spread apart and dying than a WWII tank crew. Nothing works well, because too many people on the team have an angled perspective on the idea of what they need to do to win, or climb. Everyone approaches the idea of top level 0.1% GM play from different sides, and only get a slice of the full picture--yes, myself included. So I'm doing what I think will work best for the team, but say I need healing as DPS... and the support is doing what they think is best for the team. It's not a matter of who's more right or wrong, especially when both teams are so mixed up like this, and I feel like the coordination is what matters best for THAT GAME. Mind you, I haven't done the climb in Overwatch before, but I imagine it's the same for ranked, with this unifying vision of the climbing mentality becoming more and more common as you climb through the ranks, if only out of sheer necessity.

12:00 that is exactly why i say 1 shots need to exist in some form, now as to how accessable it is, thats a different discusion

Yt shorts stunlocks on the Daily

Honestly sometimes when I feel like going to play Overwatch nowadays, I just think of the burst damage. People either explode, or never die. Back when I first started, I actually had time to use my icicle as Mei, be back to full or near, and have a decently long lifespan after. I started playing Junkrat because I saw his bomb to mine combo, and appreciated the insane damage potential with him. Now I can't appreciate something like that, because everyone has that damage potential, and everyone dies instantly. The game needs to slow down a bit. Let me live a little longer, let me duke it out with the enemy a little longer, then it'll be fun. But right now... Overwatch just isn't fun.

9:15 Ladies and gentlemen, we got 'em

Hey Flats about the 6v6 vs 5v5 debate it seems like the big deal was double shield ( Stall comps) etc. My idea was to implement a 4th role to the game and bring back 6v6 the roles DPS and Support remain unchanged but we will now have a Main tank/ Off tank roll. this way we can remove double shield from the game (yes characters like Ball will be weird regarding off or main tank but we can figure it out) tbf im biased since im a rein main and we all know rein si waayyyy more fun in 6v6

ball deserves more

When someone says "elims" im about to puke

11:15 the dps gonna be crying once they get 10 minute quick play queues when there’s no tank players

I was playing with friend(he was Rein I was Brig) and he all time complained about "WHERE'S HEALING?" (He was deep into enemy, me and other support were healing our DPS and moving payload)

I hit 6 directs and a rock!! 😂 😂 😂

Bro when rankings are so scuffed

Im a play support player. I get shit on a lot for looking for kills. My argument is always the same: do you want heals, or do you want them dead? And before you answer, consider they can’t damage you if they’re dead

Boy I can't wait for a 6v6 game mode to be added to arcade and everyone discovers that the same problem keeps happening except now none of the tanks have enough EHP to survive the initial damage burst to get their health yo-yo'ed back up and down 12 times before one tank falls over. Plus, adding another massive EHP pool in the form of another tank (which would require rebalancing all tanks _again_ as well as removing some abilities, back to only one bubble and Firestrike, goodbye to half of Orisa's new kit) would just be absolutely thrilling to have to kill in order to go after a squishy. There's already too much damage and healing in the game as-is, and the solution is to add...MORE damage? What?

4:30 bruh what did I do I don't even know any metas, just Lucio or Orisa

I wanna propose a new overwatch mode, and would like feedback on how fun/viable it would be: 4V4 mode with four roles One tank, one DPS and one Support like current OW, but a fourth wildcard role. The Wildcard could play any hero in the game not already on the team (basically pre role queue hero selection). Would likely need minor universal changes like slightly faster Ult charge and cap rates to account for less bodies, but think the mode could encourage more creative team comps due to the flexibility of the fourth role. Idk, would like some feedback if anyone sees this

I'm fine with 5v5 and 6v6 and don't really have a preference. Both have their own issues and require different balance philosophies. My take is that they shouldn't have made the switch in the first place but it's too late for that now and would require more work to revert than to fix 5v5. I don't think the balance team can do either of those though.

@levanoon9286

5 ай бұрын

6v6 got already balanced by Orisa rework, there is no double shield anymore and that was the only thing where people complain. Reverting to 6v6 would mostly only require numerical changes and would open immense opportunities for enjoying the game again and finding ways to learn, improve, tryout new possibilities for experimenting joy in this sadly dying game

@kingofgrim4761

5 ай бұрын

@@levanoon9286sigma rein can double shield for sure. Though there is more counter play compared to OW1. But I’d also not want to see a damn souj in 6v6.

@d4s0n282

5 ай бұрын

@@kingofgrim4761 I mean, if they just added the shield nerfs that would not be a thing no? shield meta would not be a thing if rein has like 1600 hp shield and sigma have what a 700?

@kingofgrim4761

5 ай бұрын

@@d4s0n282 2300 shield health (especially now with new changes coming) would be a hell of a lot to overcome, not too mention sig shield recharges quick and can be used more selectively. It would probably be a must pick Sym/bastion meta considering they’re one of the few characters who can actually break that much of shield health easily. (And would also likely require multiple shields to protect them while they burn shield)

@d4s0n282

5 ай бұрын

I mean when double shield was a thing, sym/bastion were not meta in the slightest@@kingofgrim4761

03:09 a new account will always default in Plat before the first game played, which doesn't take into account the 50 qp games, which does affect your mmr. If you play well enough, your mmr can start in high diamond before your first comp game on a new account. If you want to truel6 prove a certain understanding of all levels, do a bronze to gm.

My hot take to the first tok is, dps in medal ranks are to inconsistent thats why supports cant just dmg boost to win a fights and tanks try to compensate for the dps and play heavily aggressive which is why they then „need“ more healing ;)

Lower rank tanks and DPS will literally rush into the enemy team screaming that they need healing at 50 HP but refuse to take cover and stand in the open waving their arms with a big 'shoot me' sign on their forehead. The problem with the 'let them learn' mentality is that I as Ana and not taking Orisa down 1v1. I can poke at her all day long it ain't gonna do a damn thing. You are giving them WAY to much credit to assume they are going to learn. (PS: Rein mains are Himbos, they mean well and are trying their best and just want everyone to have fun. Flats dosn't know he's cute.)

The funny thing is I doubt they will ever go back to 6v6 out of pure principle and not wanting to admit OW2 was a shame

"By death number four they're gonna learn they have to take less damage." Meanwhile, in reality, they just swap to Roadhog, keep feeding until they're 2 - 28 and then type "GG no heals" during the last team fight. I get what Flats means, but saying that low ranked Tanks (or DPS or Supports) will "learn" anything from repeated failures is a bold assumption.

In 6v6 maybe lock tanks with shield and without shield in different sub-roles or something so you can't pick two shields, idk

@whoisit196

5 ай бұрын

@@ToastyTheGamingToaster who said anything about bringing old orisa back? Also, you could decide shield/non-shield before the match start or find some other creative alternative

I tell the medal ranked players to try getting shot less, and they react like I just said the moon is purple

How to fix 6v6: open que health pools for tanks, less shield for sigma rein how to fix 5v5: make it a game that isn't OverWatch anymore

Haha I saw my comment on the the 2nd vid RAHHHHH REJECTED META EMBRACE HAMMER

Take last DMG that a good idea.Thank flat.

the winrate of pharah is very high and they didnt touch it at all!

as a Junker Queen/Ram Player (not main cause i dont “main” them but i find them the most enjoyable to play) i see 7/10 as an absolute win

I think honestly, blizzard should do an event to make all casual game modes 6v6, while only competitive is 5v5. You get the fun, casual excitement of 6v6 in regular play, while still having a massive hyping over 5v5 competitive

I have experienced being chased by 2 dps and 1 support usually cass mei and ana if that single enemy tank and support solos your whole team its your fault for not frontlining as ball

how does the meta look with the mauga nerf?

About the sigma i played him today and felt bad for the other team with hpw badly i wrecked them it wasn't even close i had both supports focusing me for heals while i literally just rocked and shot as i walked never stopped

Been saying from jump 6 v 6 was the way it should have stayed

Honestly I think doom would be rly good in a 6v6 even if he was unchanged

Really glad to have you back on the proper side of the 6v6 Flats! Thanks for finally seeing reason! xD

8:20 -11:47 we would have to rework A LOT heroes in order to be viable in new 5v5. Like Rein is prime example, it's ancient relic in this new game and same with Genji. Even ORisa had to be reworked in order to work in OW2 so why not others. But I get it it takes A LOT of resources to rework them properly...

GM-paradox: getting LESS damage => less healing => more dealing damage => getting MORE damage?

They gotta bring 6v6 back as a separate game mode on quick play

From now on whenever someone cries and shids and fards at me for heals ima just tell them "take less damage"

@pockettwo

5 ай бұрын

shids and fards at you 😨

Any mercy below masters is usually heal boting a tank

Watching ow makes me want to play ow then I realize I’m playing ow and go back to yt

@z2-trappy359

5 ай бұрын

Same but because I'm gm on console every game is just pocketed cheaters so it's unplayable

@diablotry5154

5 ай бұрын

​@@z2-trappy359relatable. Playing tank or support and the match is a dice roll as to whether or not you have the better ximming dps on your team

sigma brawls

Bro saying that JQ mains are a 7/10 but Hog mains are a 2/10 is so bizarre. Their kits are almost identical.

11:47 "Ana is perfectly balanced! She has no mobility to offset how squishy she is" lyin' asses when I show them shit like this.

im gonna be the odd one out here rq, but i actually do learn from gm players; not just their gameplay tho, and i think that's an important distinction... i was hardstuck bronze for over 3yrs straight, and only just started climbing out in... i think season 4 or 5 of ow2. the thing that changed? i started watching gm players like flats and ml7, but i also started watching content from people like emongg and eleyzhau, who give broad advice and specific critique on what to do in certain games or scenarios or on different maps. in two seasons i jumped out of mid- to low-bronze all the way to mid/high-gold on supp. last season, i touched plat, and this season, ive peaked plat 2. i NEVER could have gotten as far as i have without the lessons i learned from emongg and others like him, so i think saying "don't play like a gm player in metal ranks" needs to come with the addendum that you can still absolutely learn from them; it's about improving your own gameplay, not copying high rank players.

Support nerfs did nothing because they didn’t actually touch the problems people had with them they just added like an extra second cooldown and called it a day. Anti still feels complete shit, and having your ult be completely wasted by Kiri still feels dogshit. They need to half the effect on tanks for anti, and remove the immortality from Suzu. The cleanse and heal is fine but it making Kiri unkillable in a 1v1 or anyone she throws it at doesn’t feel good at all. Discord nerf feels really good because now Zen can’t just spam it on whoever is closest if they’re in LoS.

Yeah even I’m sort of on the 6v6 train now, I don’t agree that 5v5 is unbalanceable, or that it’s caused all these issues, but 6v6 with the reworked tanks could be fun. And I’d even be down for a season of it to just SEE how different it would be, and if 5v5 is truly the problem. I used to hate people arguing about bringing back 6v6 and I still disagree a lot with them, but I’m no longer strongly opposed to it

Here's my take: 6v6 for role queue and 5v5 for open