Nice! This is the mini PC that I've been waiting for.

man i freaking love your channel

Woo, thanks for this. This is the first thing I'm going to do once I get mine. Hopefully, they don't keep pushing back the ship date, though - it was late June, but now it's early July.

@matthew3950

11 ай бұрын

I've got one on order too. 😁 Went for the 5600MHz 32GB option to be able to allocate more video memory to hopefully be able to run games at higher texture qualities while still being at 1080p. So glad ETAPrime showed us the overclocking software and not just the results but I'll probably go with a flat 80w to be on the safe side.

@kurtisrinker1202

11 ай бұрын

@matthew3950 Sweet, ordered the same model here. I figured I might as well get the memory installed from the get-go since the bios maxes out at 5600 mhz anyway, and the upgrade price was actually reasonable.

@tokyojerry

11 ай бұрын

Ditto, I ordered mine late May for end of June shipment, but then they changed it to early July. However apparently mine is already in the pipeline as I have been communicating with Miniforums through their online site.

@carlsmtb3171

9 ай бұрын

how did your tests go in the end, any conclusions? I just got one of these@@matthew3950

Would like to see UM790pro tested with egpu using USB4 and M2 Nvme as it has two M2 Nvme sockets

@stevemcguire8981

9 ай бұрын

I have it running with an amazon oculink kit and a 3070ti

@techsounds9956

5 ай бұрын

Hey I just got one of these and no matter what game I try and run it crashes within minutes I've tried all the setting on/off and everywhere in between updated the drivers, windows outta ideas. Thinking it's maybe just a driver issue with amd? Not sure any help would be appreciated thanks

This seems to be a fake to me. I got the UM790 Pro last friday and tested overclocking ability the whole weekend. No chance to get over the specification in any way with several tools.

@Sucrerie

2 ай бұрын

Pretty skeptical too, we can see in the bench in the video, the CPU doesn't go above 65W (with 2W as error margin)

Thank you very very much !!!!!!!! I will try. No worries i'm aware that i'm doing this on my own risk.

Overclocked my Unit...what a Beast! ❤

A great video! I personally don't have this unit, however, I do have the beelink ser5 pro with the ryzen 7 5800h 32gb ddr4 and the vega 8 igpu, was wondering if there is a preset in the universal tuning app for this? Or even better, if you could do a tutorial video, I would be super grateful as I'm sure some of the other people would too! Great channel keep up the good work!!

7:12. I just wish you ran your normal benchmark as well. The same place you always start. The same bosses you always walk up to and hit. The same center divider you jump over. The same other side of the street you walk down. As your personal cyberpunk benchmark demo. Which I have grown accustomed to. And provides a pretty good measuring stick. Because of my familiarity with CryEngine. And you're perfect consistency. Outside this video of course. And this is one of the ones I really wanted to see that result for.! Because it's the overclock version.! Indeed the in-game benchmark is looking pretty good. That doesn't tell me anything comparison to the hundreds of other times I've seen you play that specific part in Cyberpunk.! Obviously you do another benchmark with the G1. And you Did it in exactly the same way you always normally do. And of course the performances greater. But that doesn't tell me what I need to know as far as the measuring stick you have developed over so many examples with different hardware. And I don't know maybe add some extra stuff you might not have shown in this video. Because by my estimate even though I never got to see the overclock cyberpunk result. The reason I anticipated it so greatly it's because I expected such great things from it. And if the in game benchmark is any indication. It definitely will. But the only way I'll actually know is if you run your benchmark. "Your" cyberpunk benchmark is my measuring stick.! Maybe a show of emulation or a possible advantage or disadvantage Not previously elaborated on. Maybe do a KZread short. I don't think you've done any of those have you.? I'm sure if you did KZread would show me. But as always. Excellent video.! 👍👍

Great video and awesome product. I am getting one myself in a week or so. Any chance you could tinker around with higher frequency RAM or overclocking 5600 CL40 RAM sticks? Or testing higher allocations or VRM 8-16GB? Or higher performance SSDs like Samsung 990Pro? What would be the sweetspot for higher quality component upgrades or at least where are the limits with this unit? Thx

These mini-PCs are getting better and better every 6 months. Especially the ones with the AMD Ryzen CPUs/GPUs. Gamers, video editors, and even some CAD users are benefiting from it.

@gersongaete1574

11 ай бұрын

Next year they will get much better. Once amd launches strix point and strix halo (Rtx 4070 level performance).

@HuntaKiller91

11 ай бұрын

​@@gersongaete1574I'd expect it be around 3050 for the normal igpu with radeon 880M and those strix halo should be around rx 6700xt

@-BarathKumarS

7 ай бұрын

@@HuntaKiller91 Wouldn't that single handedly kill low tier/budget GPUs? it would make no sense to get something like a 5050 from nvidia or RX 7500 XT? if IGPUs match almost a RTX 3050 in perfomance i.e

@XixCrimsonShade

6 ай бұрын

APU's are the future.

@samohraje2433

3 ай бұрын

@@gersongaete1574 what are you expecting? 4070 level performance? You got to be joking right? Radeon 780m has performance between 1050Ti and 1060 6GB AND as like we know, 880m won't be that much faster, matching up with 1060 exactly so you'll be able to play anyway with higher frames and better graphics but expecting 4070 level performance is BS as hell.. but still, if you need to squeeze all of it, your system requires the most fastest DDR5 RAM with lowest latency, adding on a bit of money for which of them you can actually buy like 1080Ti on used market which will be almost 100% faster than 880m ( if power consumption does not bother you and you don't mind to pay a bit more for electricity, you should go up with 1080Ti but if your build does not allow you to use dedicated gpu, go for the 880m and fastest ram with lowest latency you can get.. it will cost like 800-900 bucks for the entire build but afterall it will be 1- silent and 2- energy efficient )

have you tried custom water cooling .... is there something that might work with this form factor ? have you tried open case with a large fan ?

Will there be more APU's like this coming out this year? I'll probably hold off till Xmas before buying one

I'm so tempted to get one of these. I want to connect my old 2060 mini to one. See what it can really do.

I told myself once these miniPCs can play games released in the last several years at 1080p 60 fps it would be worth purchasing.

I have been waiting for mine. Contacting them takes ages.

I’d be curious to see eGPU Razer support w/7800XT , and also previous OC test ls with latest AMD drivers. I’ve been devouring your content, the MinisForum seem awesome. What are your thoughts on units like the 77XT with Vega vs AMD phasing out support of the chipset ?

Would be awesome if you'd test the 7940HS overclocked against Baldur's Gate 3

Hey ETA. Can you undervolt the CPU using the curve optimiser option to see how much you can get in Cinebench R23 Multicore. I'm curious if it's possible to be on par with a Ryzen 7 7700X or not.

@shrikantamandal7707

11 ай бұрын

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@shrikantamandal7707

11 ай бұрын

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@shrikantamandal7707

11 ай бұрын

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@methodinsane

11 ай бұрын

Great question.

Man, I can't wait to see how the Dragon Range APUs perform.

@eliezerortizlevante1122

11 ай бұрын

Im waiting for desktop editions. I just got the UM790 just for Destiny 2 and the performance is nuts at 1080P. Its making PS5 look bad

@gawsss

11 ай бұрын

Any idea when could that be?

@DuckyUmbra

10 ай бұрын

​@@eliezerortizlevante1122FPS? Settings?

@eliezerortizlevante1122

10 ай бұрын

@@DuckyUmbra 60FPS no dips in open maps high settings, shadow medium..100% render scale 90FPS 76lows on crucible same settings FSR 720 can reach 120 in crucible (same tech PS5 uses) RAM Kit im using is Kingston Fury Impact 64GB kit 5600mhz

@DuckyUmbra

10 ай бұрын

@@eliezerortizlevante1122 Amazing! Love the reply ♥️ Thanks!

Gotta get that ram speed up!

The overclocking shows how much these tiny pcs can do at such a small size. Imagine what we'll be called pcs in the next 5 years. wow!

EPGU with this setup? would that be hectic , also do you recommend a epgu ?

I was looking for such a program to use on the ROG Ally. Does it have fan controls as well? That'd make this pretty much perfect.

Thing that you never do and we would love to get is ""numbers comparison"". Don't be shy when you can improve your quality. For example, you could compared this one to an OC GTR7 and compared also to the non OC numbers. How is it possible ? 3D Mark : 30057 / OC : 30024 TIME SPY : 3240 / OC : 3138 You missed something ? I've seen another video : Daniel Owen I'm having WAY too much fun with Mini PCs! (Minisforum UM690 vs UM790 vs BeeLink GTR7 Pro) Apparently you gain a lot with 32 gigs of ram and changing the buffering ram allocated seem to help a lot.

Overclock here we gooo

Thanks for the videos. Would it be possible to test the nvme pciex 4*4 port in egpu normally better than the TB3

Will you post a video on how to add SSD/Ram? Im scheduled to receive mine on July 4th and hoping to throw in a m2 ssd that I have here.

makes me wonder,how's the 5700g holding up this days with past games having been polished since ur last igpu PC build🤔

Hope my unit comes soon :D

Hello beautiful video but it would be cool if you could answer the questions asked as if it is possible to overclock a GTR7 Pro? If we can put memory at 6400 Mhz? If we can put 64 GB? Etc... you are doing a good job but I think you should go all out and answer questions from your viewers. Thank you and I look forward to your next videos. And if you can give a real opinion of choice between UM 790 Pro and the GTR7 Pro?

@zoltanmaszlag2982

8 ай бұрын

Fast RAM with shorter latencies is always a better option than overclocking. Of course, the BIOS must also enable settings for shorter latency times.

I'm trying this on my unit and I can't get above 45/54W (Bios set to Auto or 54w) was there any Bios settings prior to this ? Have set the Tuning preset to exactly the same settings ? :-(

Very cool video! Question, could you try gaming on a mac with an external gpu now that apple themselves are trying to expand into that area?

@Beluga_00001

11 ай бұрын

Macos sucks

Thanks for yhe video, it would be awesome if we can see the overclocked and nonoverclocked performance side by side on one video though. 😅

id like to see OW2 & other competitive performance metrics

Please when are you doing an egpu test with the pcie slot.i bet it would be desktop level performance but 2-3x cheaper.also it just occurred to me that I watched the gpd wm2 high tdp video and God of war was running at 40w at 1200p resolution and about the same fps,is that due to the faster ram?

For some reason i havent found some um 760 pro pc. No videos at all & it still carries a 7640hs 740m igpu

Hello and greetings from Germany, great video, have now also bought a UM790 and am a little disappointed, unfortunately I cannot set a resolution of 5120x1440, is that with you too?

Dear @ETA Prime, since you posted this and Minis released a new BIOS on 7/17/2023 these results are no longer obtainable. In fact it appears they've locked the system down to a sustained 48 watts. I've tried a variety of BIOS and Windows powercfg settings and you can de-tune the system but can't get past the 48w mark. I've even reflashed the BIOS and it didn't help.

@brianhuffman4461

9 ай бұрын

What version was that, 1.04 or 1.05?

@Metanis

9 ай бұрын

1.05 is the current released on 7/17/23 @@brianhuffman4461

@1211evis

9 ай бұрын

​@@brianhuffman4461 running 1.05 not work

Rebel with a cause. 🎉🎉

What are the memory temps like. The GTR7 has crazy high memory temps. Curious if the UM790 has the same issue

So even with RDNA3 and 5600MHz RAM, these APUs still can't do 1080p/60 without some heavy smearing from FSR Balanced or Performance in many modern games. It would be nice to test 900p or 720p native or just to see where 1080p native lands. 40fps? 20 fps?

Using Core Temp and bench-marking with CPU-Z, I discovered my Ryzen 5 5500U is running at 25 watts. Apparently there is no need for me to use a tuning utility because the 5500U can only use 25 Watts. Thanks for the help

@yissnakklives8866

4 ай бұрын

My um690s only has a tdp of 54 watt but I can run it at 80 watts and the cpu temp never gets above 80c (during benchmarks only, n3ver gets that hot otherwise.

This just goes to show how capable these igpu's (in the 7940HS/7840HS) are, combined with a good enough cooling solution, at those higher power limits. Question then becomes why are they power capped? Degradation reasons? If not, it begs a second question. Why there are no laptop manufacturers designing around this 7940HS/7840HS, WITHOUT a dedicated GPU but WITH a beefy cooling solution and increase TDP limits? Cause of lower revenue interests due to lower overall system specs (display especially), or contracts mandating combining these with x brand dGPU's? Such a machine with only a 7940HS/7840H would make a fabulous productivity laptop, with very good entry level gaming performance if it was designed to be able to run and cool 80W.

@leaderface6437

11 ай бұрын

DDR5 (even LPDDR5X) is not on par with the GDDR used on dedicated graphics. This RDNA3 IGPU is bottlenecked by the memory used. You need to upgrade to standalone GPU given a point.

@gkirmathal

11 ай бұрын

​@@leaderface6437 true. But it depends on ones use case and what performance one deems adequate for their needs. Personally it would fit my performance need, albeit with faster DDR5 then this review. Cause I won't be running the newest AAA titles anyway. Making this APU be a best fit without going directly to entry dGPU. Btw, if one really needs more dedicated GPU horsepower, manufacturers should integrate an OCulink port on such AMD powered products. Anyway that is just my take on it ;)

@leaderface6437

11 ай бұрын

@@gkirmathal Yes: external GPUs are great but dificult to find at reasonable prices. I´m waiting to buy a 7840HS or 7840U LPDDR5X laptop, but they are missing in action. I think AMD and Intel are on the way to kill dedicated graphics, and in a couple of years wouldn´t be neccesary no more (unless specific uses). They may increment the memory bus next year (maybe starting with Meteor Lake?). I don´t know, but Apple showed the road ahead and now they are behind, so....

I'm curious. The original Oculus Rift requires a Radeon R9 290. After a little research, it looks like the overclocked 780M on this should be within a few percent of that level of performance. So how would this handle VR on the Oculus Rift? (assuming the drivers even allow it)

@Heldermaior

11 ай бұрын

Depends on the title. I would except some sim racers like Assetto Corsa and AMS2 to run fine as they needed a 970 to run. ACC and DCS, forget about it (in thick Italian accent).

I have the 7840hs variant coming this week. I opted for it after seeing your testing on these units. I have a suspicion that performance is being left on the table due to the vram allocation being at 4 GB. I paired it with 32 GB DDR5 5600 because i think there may be a substantial performance increase if we can allocate more memory to vram. I'm thinking 12 GB will alleviate any texture bottlenecks and REALLY open this thing up!! Thanks for all of your content

@evronetwork

6 ай бұрын

I think max vram u can set it is 6GB

@anxiousnation3820

6 ай бұрын

I just ordered one myself with the same config. How did you like it? Any draw backs?

@samm928

4 ай бұрын

@evronetwork I set my vram to 8G since I only have 32G total .. it can be setup in Bios up to 16G of vram

@samm928

4 ай бұрын

@@anxiousnation3820 the wi-fi kinda sux .. you have to do some mods on the antenna wires on the bottom plastic lead .. maybe extend the wires outside the aluminum case.

heya, I mostly play minecraft java edition, fortnite, valorant, and cod warzone 3 (I always use lowest settings possible on every game I play, idk why but I do) so do you think this pc is good for me?

Just purchased and overclocked as you did, but the max TDP will still be 65W. Even though the CoreTemp shows 80W or more, the meter from the wall charger never exceed 65.

Overlclocking?!?!?!?! I'm in!! 😂😂

I'm looking to buy a mini PC and I'm comparing this model with the Beelink, GMKtec NucBox K4 where I can hook up a compatible egpu. Is this the best 7940HS mini PC model to buy?

Please ETA PRIME , what is the software you use for the animated wallpapers? Thank you.

How did you test on linux ? Did you need to install a linux graphic driver for this apu ?

which power supply you using for OC? i noted it over 130W, im using 100W GaN PD which will cut off power when bios set 54W

Nice!

Interested in Horizon Zero Dawn as it doesn't like my settings as they are so it will have to be a refund. Wasn't sure if all the settings you recommended have to be set to get HZD to work. I ran FH5 on their recent free trial and everything was on low settings, so interested as your settings seemed amazing. FH4 seems to have to run on low settings, but not worried about that. Just wondered what's going to happen to my games once I get a 4K monitor. Street Fighter 6 looks awesome, so wondering if the same settings are required.

Would you recommend this over the NPB7 for Photoshop use?

@ETAPRIME what do you do with all the mini pc you get. I think i've seen a thousand of em

Both night raid and time spy scores were lower than the initial review video benchmarks which were at 65W and not OC-ed, why is that?

Here we go!

I'm really thinking about buying this mini pc, do you know if there's any way we can overclock the ram ? I know there's some 6400mhz DDR5 ram out there and I'm sure it could make a big difference !

@danthaman7777

11 ай бұрын

Yes Kingston. I want him to test too

How does this unit handle running Plex or security software like Shinobi or iSpy DVR?

Why is it not recommended? This recommendation could change after drivers updated?

So I decided to install Pop Os Linux on this box. Do I need to install any specific AMD drivers for the GPU to work?

Hi, can you tell me which game controller you use? Tnx :)

Shame you couldn't OC the memory. That is always the first thing I try with iGPUs. Did you try disabling the XEMU profile (amd's XMP iirc) go down to 4800 and then manually increase frequency and timings? Also, that 200 MHz bump is fairly small. One thing that helps a lot is to slightly downclock the CPU so you get more GPU headroom. But even without touching the cpu you should be able to get a few more Hz out of your APU before hitting instability. I mean, 200 is a great starting point but ai would try to get about 500 MHz extra to really get the juice going. Ideally a 400MHz OC on the memory and a 500MHz OC on the GPU. You might want to try and undervolt tye CPU too. Especially if you lower clocks. That decreases the power budget and again diverts more of those higher orbit electrons to the GPU.

@florianprudence3979

11 ай бұрын

Do you know if it's possible to overclock the memory past the rated 5600 on this mini PC?

@Heldermaior

11 ай бұрын

@@florianprudence3979 that was what I was asking. If you enable the XMP profile memory is OCed and locked. If you disable it should be possible.

Is it possible to overclock the memory on this?

Do these mini pc's allow fast ssd's? Like the sn850x and 990pro's ??

Any news for the updated drivers from AMD ? Can someone send me a link to where it’s supposed to be ?

Hello ETA P Where's the link for the overclocking utility.

Merci!

Is it possible to share more memory to the integrated graphics in the bios like 12 gigabyte? I think it would make alot more difference.

@c5150k

11 ай бұрын

as far as i am aware you can go up to 8gb if you have 32gb do dimm kit. not 100% sure though

Could you pleas make a video how to Overclock der MInsforum in the BIOS?

Crazy that I can get my 3 year old desktop PC in a mini PC now sans GPU.

can you please clarify on wich bios your machine is running? i am on 1.03 and can`t get above 65W

@justan1ck

7 ай бұрын

and also add you amd driver version? on the minisforum forum there are more people which seem to be unable to adjust max tdp

Hi, can you set the RAM timing in the BIOS? It would be interesting because the RAM is also used as graphics memory, and if you buy the barebones version and use faster RAM, for example DDR5-5600, CL40-40-40, the graphics performance could be a lot better. It is clear that RAM latency matters much more than a clock increase. The important question would be whether the UM790 pro with DDR5-5600, CL40-40-40 runs stably or not? The other important question would be whether a Raid 0 with the two NVME SSD works without problems?? For example 2X 2TB Gen4 SSD. Most likely it would be a monster setup RAM timing with CL40 and 2X 2TB Gen4 SSD in RAID 0. I mean it would be very interesting an extra video about these options.

@dstyleb2088

10 ай бұрын

tested cl46-45-45-90 to cl44-44-44-88. will black screen and then must clear cmos. and power limit can be 95 watts. um790pro

@Austintatious_One

9 ай бұрын

CL40 5600 works.. 3300 timspy score at stock, no overclock..

@zoltanmaszlag2982

9 ай бұрын

@@Austintatious_One Thank you for your answer, it helped me a lot. Best regards

@isipisilemonsqueezy

6 ай бұрын

@@Austintatious_One can you set the ram timings in bios?

@Austintatious_One

6 ай бұрын

@@isipisilemonsqueezy negative.. Only stock timings.. Kingston Fury comes with CL40 5600 though.. Works out the box.. 👌

Can you try warzone 2.0 and modern warfare 2 and madden 2024? I am debating about getting this.

Does any game got to 70w at least? Most of the footage was showing low 60s, SF6 wasn't even hitting 50w

How does it perform for productivity apps like I am running multiple vms

I would love to see Half Lyfe: Alyx running on this

@_GarethRossUK

11 ай бұрын

you can already see it on the steam deck so it is easily possible.

on desktop those APUs will likely run DDR5 7200 CL34

I think combining with undervolting would make it more powerful and run cooler, even no need for higher tdp

@matthew3950

11 ай бұрын

How does that make any sense? Less power for more performance?

@Paraclef

11 ай бұрын

@@matthew3950 This OC has less numbers than the non oc from week ago... this make no sense.

@matthew3950

11 ай бұрын

​@@ParaclefIn the non OC video he ran games at 900p not 1080p as in this round of testing. Hence the lower numbers.

@roomtemp6374

11 ай бұрын

@@matthew3950 In some scenarios under-volting makes sense if the cpu/gpu is being throttled back due to thermals.

@Paraclef

11 ай бұрын

@@matthew3950 You are right here, i admit.. but check for ''time spy'' and ''3d marks''.

I did this and now APU iGPU is missing from that screen. Any idea? speed won't go over 2800Mhz now

Hello, good video. I have gone through your steps and no matter what I do when I do a stress test it never goes higher than 62'ish. Is there something I am missing ? In the BIOS there are two options balanced and performance. Its set to performance. Would there be something in the AMD software blocking this ?

@vman2957

9 ай бұрын

After looking at the BIOS screens from Reddit I am wondering if they just locked this BIOS and you got some early prod model or something. That is fairly sad.

@Gschwerl123

8 ай бұрын

Really?!

@vman2957

8 ай бұрын

@@Gschwerl123 yeah no luck. I think there is even mention of it on the Minisforum -----> Forum I tried to link it but I don't think its allowed in comments. I have until Monday to run the decision tree if I will keep it or not.

@Gschwerl123

8 ай бұрын

Ok… i found any Bios downloads on minisforum… i have 1.04

My um790 pro arrived today, it has bios 1.07. i cant set the power limit higher. is this blocked now? do i have to change settings in the bios maybe?

So, where can I find to this useful tuning app?

Thanks, this is great! I have some screen font artifacts in the 1.05 BIOS. Did you see this? I can't seem to find a link to BIOS Version 1.03 on their site? Does anyone have this? Do they not post older BIOS versions in an archive?

@carlsmtb3171

9 ай бұрын

mine arrived with 1.03 on it a couple days ago

@Urosaurus

9 ай бұрын

@@carlsmtb3171 great! Thanks

could you undervolt and oc the igpu via adrenaline?

Tekken 8 and Forbidden West benchmark built-in on a new PC for this upcoming video? 🎉

I'm sure I would ruin mine if I got one. I would just wait for better spec at barefoot rates.

Can i play paradox games like Crusader kings 3 or Victoria 3 on this pc.

It would be nice to see how far these igpus can go if you water cooled them

@Nomidy

11 ай бұрын

i agree, only problem is that water cooled igpu systems cost more and preform less than a normal pc with a gpu, thats why, but its def a intresting idea i wish hed do

@Luciano-jh5mq

11 ай бұрын

@@Nomidy yeah, it wouldn't have a real application, but it would certainly be interesting to see

This is so remarkable, but I always wonder how minipc fair in video rendering and encoding area?

@justinpatterson5291

11 ай бұрын

The AVX512 support should help on this chip.

Hey can you help me I bought a hp elite 600 g9 and rtx a2000 gpu the pc not recognizing the gpu… I try the gpu in a next pic and it works fine please help

Even with the overclock this PC is super quiet. And im using a 200W power brick.

I just ran timespy again and on my sff hp upcycled pc with an i7-7700 and a low profile 1650 4gb card with 32 gb ram i got a score of 3521. Just for comparison. That's 89% of my performance from your igpu.

Universal x86 Tuning Utility opens and instantly closes... 🤔🤔 My machine is a UM560XT with a Ryzen 5 5600H with Win11 and Linux Neon. Any ideas?

I'm trying this on the system I just got, but the power never goes above 60W. I enabled performance mode in BIOS. Anything else I should do to make it work? Also, the CPU score stays around 7200 only.

@larionov999

10 ай бұрын

@ETAPRIME I'm asking in the UXTU support and they are saying the Dragon series is not supported and I still can't make it work for me

Would you mind doing a Benchmark without the upscaling?just a request,I document ur benchmarks n it's hard to compare with all the upscaling n 900p n 720p resolutions,thank you

You don't need to push that much overclock igpu and tdp when you can't overclock RAM, the limitation is always RAM speed

If you put 32 Gig instead of 16 Gig of RAM this PC can even run 15% faster and 30% faster at 1% low-framerates. Daniel Owen made a video about. 32 Gig will helpt a lot. There is much less stutter. This Video show how fast the 8700G might be.