I know Jay didn't say it but EVGA is so lucky it got out, if the FE is better than a Strix, Nvidia is royally Fing the board partners.

@DaBigBrozer

Жыл бұрын

Shouldn't the partners git gud? I don't think they should hold Nvidia back

@buckminst

Жыл бұрын

@@DaBigBrozer The partners should produce the best cards they can, sure. But it's hard for them to compete with Nvidia when Nvidia gets first dibs on the best quality GPU cores, and RAM. And has control over what the partners can do to their VBIOSes.

@Liatin1

Жыл бұрын

@@DaBigBrozer sure they should but nvidia gives them nothing but the board design. No drivers to actually test their designs properly

@manicdan481

Жыл бұрын

@@DaBigBrozer The partner cards keep the chips way cooler, so its not like they are slacking. The problem is nvidia charges so much for the chips that there is no margin unless you sell a gpu way over founders msrp. Even better is nvidia is also voltage capping these cards, so they actually cant draw up to 600w without more volts. There really is so little reason to buy a more expensive version of a gpu for performance, only on noise or style or if you are going to volt mod and extreme OC the thing.

@Fantafaust

Жыл бұрын

@@DaBigBrozer they can only do so much since Nvidia forces them to stay under certain prices

It was so cool plugging my computer into the GPU.

@valienn

Жыл бұрын

if this is a joke pls explain

@koksem

Жыл бұрын

@@valienn High end GPU like rtx 4090 are HUGE and EXPENSIVE af meaning that pc feels like a component for the GPU, a machine that allows GPU to run.

@valienn

Жыл бұрын

@@koksem oh ty

@ReveredDead

Жыл бұрын

@@koksem Yos took the words right out of my mouth. 4090 is a behemoth.

@xaviertrese

Жыл бұрын

@@ReveredDeaddid you used to play cs

Jay - The error correcting on GDDR6 will happen before you start seeing artifacts. You can't just boost until you see artifacts, you have to run a benchmark after each frequency bump and see when the scores start going down. The errors will affect your scores before you see the artifacts.

@MaksKCS

Жыл бұрын

Also him increasing memory by 5Mhz is useless when memory frequency increments go by 15Mhz. At least that's the case for msi afterburner.

@aboutthat413

Жыл бұрын

@@MaksKCS My memory goes up a bin every 4 mhz, but my core clock goes up every 15mhz on 3080

@sergioav7278

Жыл бұрын

What benchmark program should I use for that? I'd like to learn to push ram frequency until corrections start to happen.

@jurakerleha

Жыл бұрын

@@sergioav7278 Best program was for RTX3000 series or even 2000 series Port Royal,I used that

@SmartMoveGraphics

Жыл бұрын

Cool sounds smart to me

If anything AIB should see this as Nvidia is working toward phasing them out

@fredEVOIX

Жыл бұрын

after evga, reference design seems to have become "worse design", nvidia keeps the best bins for themselves etc....is a pretty big problem for most of the world because FE are near impossible to buy outside NA and nvidia makes nowhere near enough of them, seems like nvidia are drunk and succes and blind to the fact that AIBs sell 100x more cards than them the ratio right now in my country is 19/0 aib/fe nvidia just says "buy another brand" on their own website never seen an FE available and knows no one who ever got a 3000 FE

@scarletspidernz

Жыл бұрын

@@fredEVOIX NVIDIA for sure gonna have their own assembly plant and cooler manufacturing+ distribution hubs/connections within 10yrs. Now that their cooler out preforms AIB's, all that other stuff is easier to get in place and they'll be just like Apple

@kiptt7082

Жыл бұрын

@@fredEVOIX 19 to 0 ratio? what country are you in that has only 19 gpu's and 0 math teachers?

@yumri4

Жыл бұрын

As he said "it's all RAM" I would be more so into what RAM chips they are using is the issue instead of the assumed by you to be better GPU chip quality on the nVidia card.

@AeroDr

Жыл бұрын

Highly unlikely. Nvidia wouldn't want to deal with marketing, logistics, distribution and end user support for the entire market of nVidia GPUs. AIBs do a lot of the legwork in dealing with consumers, distributors and retailers.

u have to imagine evga has a 4090 we will never get to see just collecting dust in a warehouse or lab somewhere

@dancomando

Жыл бұрын

Someone will sell it. Some day

@doraafelfedezoofisol

Жыл бұрын

or they just sent it back to nvidia

@captainkirk3000

Жыл бұрын

You don't have to imagine, because they do lol

@VesperAegis

Жыл бұрын

EVGA doesn't like money. I'm convinced of it now.

@remix763

Жыл бұрын

@@VesperAegis they dont like working with nvidia

The comparison to cars on the dyno made SOOOOOOO much sense! I appreciate that..... Keep up the good work!

I always love these overclocking videos, please keep doing them! These are some of my favorite videos from your channel. Thanks for covering the 40 series, I can’t wait to see how far you can get!

@SebLukaTech

Жыл бұрын

14:30 WARNING 🖥🖱Jay: "See what its doing now? I'm pretty sure that because of the previous run..." Translation: 💣🧨OVERCLOCKING MAY DAMAGE YOUR CARD🔥🚒( He broke "another one" ) ☮PEACE☮

@hombre_loco

Жыл бұрын

@@SebLukaTech yeah this guy got for sure for free the cards a normal person got to buy the cards

the best part about your car analogy is that if my fuel system in my car fails short ( and it is the weak link) my car changes the ignition based off a multiplier, starting at 1.00 and goes down... my car underclocks its self.

@Masoch1st

Жыл бұрын

thats only at the pump tho. if its at the injector, you wont see it fast enough often, unless you have egt sensors in every exhaust runner, and even then, its questionable.

@Sc1Z

Жыл бұрын

@@Masoch1st its 100% the pump, the 1.6L ecoboost block and lower end is good for 600HP that I have seen, but the stock fuel pump is only capable to 400 and that's best case scenario, that's getting upgraded next year. its only like a stack to get a new pump, lines, and upgraded injectors. this year was new LSD, S280 turbo, quick spool exhaust ( gotta come off and get wrapped thought, I was impatient) and base tune. BUT you are 100% correct, keen eye for detail my friend.

@Masoch1st

Жыл бұрын

@@Sc1Z i have a 1000hp TTRS ;) happy trails friend. be safe out there

@calebhohneke8482

Жыл бұрын

@@Masoch1st You getting that 1000hp out of the original engine? Love that the TTRS's are 5 cylinders...Gives them a nice unique flavor/sound. Stoked for ya man that you got such a badass car!

@dhrida5518

Жыл бұрын

@@Sc1Z the egnition going down you mean the timing? Also there is alot of ways to get more fuel into the cilinder, higher pressure valves on the fuel rail, bigger injectors, an extra injector rail, plenty of ways, but lets say you want to push more its just a matter of time untill you know the limits, better to play safe than sorry...

I have been a car guy for years and this year stepped into building PC's. Your car reference was perfect and I wish more people could do those types of references for me!

@zachrichard7039

Жыл бұрын

He nailed it. Jay must be one of us

@JayJay-ky4cc

Жыл бұрын

@@zachrichard7039 he is he has a channel called JayzTwoCars💪

@SteveDFM

Жыл бұрын

It went straight over my head, but I'm glad it made sense to car guys :D

@whuspr

Жыл бұрын

@@JayJay-ky4cc Jay Leno's Garage

@Arhey

Жыл бұрын

Well he drives a RS6, so i assume he is kind of car guy himself

I always go with GPU tweak with my ASUS cards. I feel like it makes more sense. I understand MSI Afterburner is still very much what people prefer but GPU Tweak 3 is not bad at all and it always feels more right to use the software the manufacture of the card provided.

I love the blanket method. It's a whole new world for tech this round.

Jay's personality has this effect of making relatively boring things like watching other people wait for benchmark results fun indeed. That's a remarkable gift imho.

@mastixencounter

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@_Gnome.

Жыл бұрын

I think he did liposuction, that's why his body looks so terrible

Thank you for the content! Personally I've found overclocking is like stretching. You can work your way up higher stable, But when I turned on my computer the next day it won't boot. I'm guessing that's what you saw with the initial AC run.

It looks like it's that time of year already! Can't wait to see some LN2 on the 4090!!

I was able to get the VRAM on an EVGA 3080 to +2000 and be stable, a Gigabyte to +1500, an ASUS to +1500, a different EVGA to +1200, an Aorus to +1100, an HP to +900, an MSI to +900, and a Dell to +800. I was amazed at how high you could overclock the memory on those 3080's and the HUGE range of values that different brands of cards would crash at. EVGA was always king at making these video cards as stable as possible. I am going to miss them. Every single one of those cards didn't have heat-pads behind the VRAM going to the metal backplate EXCEPT the EVGA cards. And because of that EVER SINGLE CARD except the EVGA ones would throttle unless they had heat-pads going from the VRAM to the fucking backplate... God damn, I spent a lot of money on fucking heat-pads. I really am going to miss EVGA.

@jurakerleha

Жыл бұрын

I think I have tested 10 various RTX3090's from Palit RX3090 GamingPro which could do 1395MHz in benches,in gaming or rendering in Octane1200MHz was 100% stable,then I got another GamingPro and that wouldn't do more than 1000MHz,anything above 1000MHz would crash,replaced pads for Thermalright etc and didn't helped much,temps I see on VRAM max 58C and GPU itself was hitting 38C,then I tested Asus Strix which was one of the best in VRAM OC and core as well,that GPU was running 2245MHz and +1500MHz on VRAM,Nvidia 3090 FE was okay I guess but wouldn't hit more than +1000MHz on VRAM,core fully stable is +180MHz,then EVGA FTW3 was okay only with XOC BIOS,without it would hard throttle and VRAM was not the best at +700MHz

Through my own testing, I found the lower temp problem Jay had is related to the GDDR6X. I was experiencing random black screens on cold system starts, even though my card passed stress tests and benches at +1500 memory offset when it warmed up a little. So with blasting the fans I found once the GDDR6X memory temps fell below 35C, memory starts throwing errors at speeds above 1450mhz, this is consistently reproduceable. It is weird because generally silicon performs better the colder it is, at 24Gbps these memory modules behave weird and need a sweet spot temp to run well, I've found that's around 60c. I run the ram daily now at +1400 offset and it's been solid(23.8Gbps). The FE cards don't cool the memory as well as AIB cards, so that would explain why it did better on memory, it's keeping the ram in that sweet spot range better and avoiding this cold bug problem.

Derbauerr already power modded a 4090 with an Elmore Labs voltage controller, and very quickly hit a power limit, it was only very slightly voltage limited, and volt modding did not really get him a lot of extra headroom. Maybe with colder temperatures you could run more voltage, and he probably will, but it seems that Nvidia is running these right on the very ragged edge of what they're capable of. Or what they've bios limited them to.

I love when jay compares computer and cars

4090 has a digital voltage control so you need elmor's evc to use the i2c. I think LN2 will be necessary for higher frequencies tho :)

@narcoti

Жыл бұрын

Wasnt the power limit the new limiter ?

@tresnugget

Жыл бұрын

@@narcoti It'll hit power limit with a volt mod but without volt modding it probably won't hit power limits, unlike previous generations.

Just had to pause the video in appreciation of that moment at 4:55, I want more tech channels to explain things in terms of what happens when you're on the dyno ;D

Watching these videos is the closest I will ever come to a real gaming PC.. These are just insane! I am still on my rig from 2009 haha

@warrax111

Жыл бұрын

I am still on Geforce 210. :D Well, it serves good as display adapter.

@TheJackelantern

Жыл бұрын

@@warrax111 I am on a Radeon HD 4550 .., probably not much better. The best game I can play is half-life with medium settings. :) .. I can't keep up with the gaming industry..., beyond my means. Though a lot of the older games are really and truly gems.

@tonymorris4335

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJackelantern You should be able to pick up some cheap used hardware that would be a big jump up. An RX480 or something should be reasonable and a huge improvement. You don't need to chase the bleeding edge to still run modern games.

@TheJackelantern

Жыл бұрын

@@tonymorris4335 At some point I might upgrade. Though anything 2018 - 2022 is beyond my price range on the mid-highend. If I upgrade it will have to be an entirely new build from the ground up as I don't see the worth in the options currently available for my existing system. Even an i7 2700K would be a huge CPU jump for me lol

@timothysmith160

Жыл бұрын

Stop spending all your money on butt plugs and you will soon have enough cash for a new gaming rig!

I think its faster with lower clock speed and lower temp because in the 40 series there is bunch of hidden clock speeds too. And I think they might be boosting higher due to the lower temp.

unrelated but I've recently noticed that I watch every video this man posts and shows up on my feed, but I never actually listen to what he says or watch the video. I just put his videos on and walk around the house doing stuff, using the video as background noise lmao

Wow that is trippy. Can't wait to see the others come up with videos explaining why this is so different.

Jay, it could be possible that the memory performing better is making it so the gpu is doing less work. Meaning that the memory or at a minimum the GPUs ability to utilize the memory is the bottleneck.

I had an old GTX card, don't remember exactly but may have been back in the 500 och 700 series, that was only stable at maximum overclock when the card was hot. Tuning it while hot would get me to a stable place but if I let it cool down I started getting artifacting when the temperature dropped below like 75 degrees. Run the benchmark for a while and as the temperature went up the artifacts dissappeared. Made it really annoying to find a truly stable overclock for the card

@Gatorsrok

Жыл бұрын

Cool

@AdelaeR

Жыл бұрын

@@Gatorsrok No, hot.

I love watching Jay and co it’s like hanging out with the boys

what a terrific video, well done. Keep it up

No wonder the board partners are pissed if the fe card performs so well what value add do they have

@DJJOOLZDE

Жыл бұрын

RGB

@TheRikardo91

Жыл бұрын

@@DJJOOLZDE yeah and overall aesthetics I suppose? All cards look different and different people have different tastes. :)

@technicalfool

Жыл бұрын

Well Nvidia don't offer pre-waterblocked cards yet, and apparently FE is a bit of a noisemaker. Plenty of room for something more quiet, or something that doesn't take up every slot in the case. Plus oddly enough some people care about looks, and FE might not come in their preferred shade of hot pink :P

@FreelanceDev4life

Жыл бұрын

RGB

@lycanthoss

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRikardo91 yeah except I think the 3000/4000 design is the best. Most AIB designs make me cringe. The FE cards look better because they are so simple.

What I want to see (don't think anyone has covered it yet) is noise and thermal comparisons between the FE and the Strix. I couldn't care less if the FE gets a higher score, I typically buy Strix cards because they run much cooler and quieter than the FE.

@SSoul0

Жыл бұрын

so i have the Strix and Im using a 5900x and playing at 5120x1440p at full Ultra/Psycho Raytracing. Card stays below 65C and fans spin around 65% as well. I have my case open because I dont want to stress the new adapter while I wait for my cablemods power cable to get here. Its not loud in the 7000D at least for my purposes. With the glass anel closed I dont really notice it. Coming from a EVGA 3080 10gb, its a world of difference and its specifically why i chose Strix as well. I hated how loud and how hot the card got even undervolted. Running my strix at a power limit of 80% and its still an absolute monster.

@lawyerlawyer1215

Жыл бұрын

@@SSoul0 dude , I was about to fall asleep and saw this , and now you have me worried about my connector , should I open my case , the cable is , touching the crystal indeed 😢 To fucking wide this cards 😂

@SSoul0

Жыл бұрын

@@lawyerlawyer1215 yea you have to make sure the bend isnt extreme. Cablemods is making a 90 degree connector for the GPU in a week or two so that should be interesting when its out. And its mostly for the adapters, you should be fine if you actually have the single 12v cable

@lawyerlawyer1215

Жыл бұрын

@@SSoul0 im using the adapter , I don’t have one of those new psu As for the bend… well it’s not like I pushed the side panel hard till it fitted. But it’s no doubt touching it and applying some pressure. Wish I could upload a picture to get an opinio I think I’m going to open it. Breaking my 2000€ card isn’t in my current plans 😂

@SSoul0

Жыл бұрын

@@lawyerlawyer1215 Yea just be careful. Not sure how you use your 4090 but as long as you're not overloading it CONSISTENTLY for long periods of time, you should be fine, its just for an adapter, the bend should not be extreme.

I haven't been this geeked out since I got the 2080Ti, sort of lost interest in the last couple of years. But watching this brings back so many memories

I ended up with Core clock at 125hz, and 2,000 Memory clock. Pretty satisfied considering it's just air cooled in my PC, and I've never had a card get anywhere near 2,000hz on mem. Great video!

@cl11334

11 ай бұрын

Nice results! What gpu do you have?

I always enjoy watching Jay overclock. He's what convinced me to get 3D Mark and have fun with it. I want to buy your stuff, but I need tshirt colors other than black. I'll buy two deskmaks if you make them for left handed mice. Until then, keep up those incredible ifixit ads.

I miss the days when this channel was smaller than Barnacules and video titles were clear.

Can't wait for the 4090 Tie to start tripping breakers.

@ffwast

Жыл бұрын

At the current rate of wattage creep that would be the 8090ti

@HanSolo__

Жыл бұрын

This sure will be TIE Fighter.

I wanna hook this up to a waterblock and put the radiator outdoors during a nice Swedish winter. Yummy

I love watching you do this it's so great

@5:09 my man just compared constant voltage on a GPU to a return style fuel system on a car lolll I love this channel.

A graphics card being that big should be illegal.

What cant it run straight out the box? These things are beastly and I hope AMD stays with them with the 7000 series

@AnIdiotAboard_

Жыл бұрын

If what Enterprise OEM's are to be believed next gen AMD Compute and GPUs are 60% less power with a massive and i mean massive FP64 advantage. And for us in the datacenter we itching to get our hands on them. Could finally see the ousting of NVIDA from the datafloors.

@j7powndandtrolled

Жыл бұрын

i literally hate this gpu just because they FKING colored it blue and red. Like really asus i thought we where don coloring cards with fixed colors

@eitanmalul4877

Жыл бұрын

@@j7powndandtrolled don't buy it yet.. everyone knows that RGB version is best because it adds FPS and fixed card colors reduce it.. so wait for it's release.

@ron200088

Жыл бұрын

@@j7powndandtrolled Yeah, so do I. Wanted to buy 2 of them to hook them in SLI, because they’re so affordable. Found them for $2500, a real bargain. But the colour scheme made me decide against buying them. Heck, probably would have gone for quad SLI if not for the colouring scheme. ;)

@shadow105720

Жыл бұрын

@@ron200088 I thought they didn't have the nvlink

Always nice to see your process

Havent seen Jay this excited in a while, I like this energy.

i watched steve's teardown of the FE and it looks like its top notch build quality. thermal pads and TIM are all like perfectly applied. no glue and actual metal frame. i was always anti-FE, until the 40s finally upped their game

@sp00n

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcconnell7302 And with a LPL reference 🤩

@ERROR-hf3wx

Жыл бұрын

Nightmare to teardown, with plastic clips on the side, to get to the other side of the pcb.

@sp00n

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcconnell7302 Lock Picking Lawyer. Go look him up, it's fascinating (and frightening at the same time).

I absolutely love Jay's overclocking videos. I wish he kept overclocking after his 3090 kingpin card died from being lapped

Jay is the man cause he compares everything to cars. A good car analogy can go miles (pun intended) when explaining computers to the layman.

looking good jay!

I overclocked my 4090 and the lights dimmed in my neighbourhood

I remember I originally subbed to this channel because Jay was a car guy and a PC guy, by the way I liked your analogy. I wonder if most car guys are PC gamers and just don't know it yet.

Science time with Jay had me in tears

i liked your dyno analogy! i get it, but non car people might not. fuel is power, more fuel you can burn the more power you can make, voltage=power. love it jay

Imagine the score if Jay had managed that cable mess on the desk 🙃

That card is comically huge.

@VesperAegis

Жыл бұрын

"And what of the rest of the computer?" Senator 4090 RTX Palpatine: "I AM the computer!"

@aos32

Жыл бұрын

I think I would rather go for a basic RTX 4090 model if I was going to buy one. You could get a quite decent watercooling loop for the price difference that the ROF strix version costs.

@mikeg2491

Жыл бұрын

Yea it was humorous when I was building out a prebuilt and there was absolutely no room for any other pci-e cards if you added the 4090

@999jay999

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeg2491 We going backwards, computers will need to get larger to accommodate the GPU alone... Future 6090 / 7090 the GPU will be a huge Desktop Tower alone..

@WyattOShea

Жыл бұрын

The opposite of my pp 😢.

Can't wait for a new Jay vs Steve friendly competition

Jay knows car stuff man hes the goat!

Hey Jay, stupid question (probably) but I wonder, did you check the behavior of video- and effective clock speeds in HWM when OC? Apparently these seem to be somewhat tied to core voltage. Which seems to have a huge impact on performance when undervolting, even tough core clocks are the same... (unlike 30 Series) I wouldn't be surprised if those react to higher voltage as well... Just an idea though... 🤔

Would love to see Kingpin on the board with his one off EVGA 4090.

@yanshaoumo6076

Жыл бұрын

same here

What you were saying about lower temperatures allowing more performance from a given clock speed is actually true and an accepted scientific fact, fundamental in the field of electromagnetism. Lowering the temp of a conducting material reduces its electrical resistance, e.g. the super conductor train in Japan uses wires and coils which have been cooled to extremely low temps. Very astute!

Does anybody else's inner nerd feel happy after watching this video? Really inspiring me to go hide in my garage for a weekend with various equipment to find the maximum output settings for my build...

I liked the ending

That boi know boost! The moment you mentioned donation shook my head, respect, pressing subscribed XD

FE sounds like a plan, great video.

Hey guys great video as per usual. Optimum tech did a good video on undervolting and found video hz speed dropped but the core clock said it was the same. He was using hw monitor and 3 different core clocks to look at. Could pushing the ram or the core be causing the voltage to drop to low in one or the other? Does that make sense?

@germanmade1219

Жыл бұрын

His undervolting method does not work with 40 series cards so his video is very misleading.. As other people have stated, had he used the proper method (just reducing overall power target slider in msi afterburner) it would have a lot better results. Techyescity does a video where he undervolts the 4090 properly.

Debau8r was able to unlock the voltage and the card immediately became power limited

Also I like how you use car analogies to help explain

o yea. jay throwing out those running too lean car comparisons.. love it

Imagine being able to actually buy a 4090 not from scalpers. Especially an FE.

@alpenfoxvideo7255

Жыл бұрын

FE is the only 4090 that fits in 3-slot SFF cases and while still cooling very well, it's tempting a lot of buyers

Yes sir Jay I like your car references and I hope ppl actually understand what you are talking about. Luckily most of newer ecus these days will pull timing and cut power on a fuel pressure loss or sudden spike.

Thanks for the car analogies

Get that chip to 92c to 93c it starts to show weirdness , then cool it so block the fans and force a overheat then let it cool itself slowly as a while

Jay you keep saying these cards are voltage limited and they are not. Watch Der8auer's video. If you raise the voltage even 50mV above what the software lets you do you run face first into the power limit. He is currently working on a Power Mod for his card so that he can push it beyond the 600W max power.

nice to seee you having fun doing what you like for a change

That fuel pump - turbo pressure to voltage - clock speed metaphor is really cool to me

Modern Physics has that, the very hi voltage and frequencies opening and or expanding. love how you made that transition.

5:15 i never knew he was knowledgeable on cars like that

@saian123

Жыл бұрын

he has a racing car or two- there's a video where he shows off his home where you see that.

Jay you da man! 💯💪🏽

The red and blue honestly looks amazing

It’s to bad the FE cards are impossible to get, pretty much only through Best Buy here which had 0 in stock day one

gpu tweak is actually damm good now.

@dawidlubera6304

Жыл бұрын

you need vddr+ to really tweak the cards and ahahhaha better cooling design. I remove all warranties and cry about the designs, instantly improving easy but higher costs i rather buy reference cards AMD... Nvidia will be my next one... I rather have amd but the asus and msi is dissapointing. I believe that MSI is able to learn from their mistakes.

Maybe the overclocking mechanism has som sort of stabilization mechanism. What I mean is that if it has to skip a cycle, in order to compensate for errors, it simply runs slower, since skipping a cycle lowers the processing speed. It's like the diff between 6 or 7 clockcycles per instruction on the CPU. If the answer isn't done by 6, it skips to 7. Then if the temp drops, it tries for the 6 again, which then is a boost on top of the overclocking settings. (like 16% or such.), and then ofc it crashes since now it tries to run that much faster, instead of skipping to the next cycle, which then in turn allows the rest to be done correctly as well. You can check for it by comparison in framrates at less or non overclocked speeds, and then calculate what the outcome should be at overclocked rates. If the numbers come up lower for testing, it starts skipping more. Also the most latency between any processing and memory is reading the memory. But most of that is difference between clockcycles. If the memory is at clockcyle like 3000.4 and the processor is at 4000 exactly, the computation can't start until reaching 3001 for the memory, after which the processing unit will have to wait till 4001 or even 4002 as well. Memory can only be read if the bus is already showing the correct result.

Your technique of maxing out the ram first and then the core clock totally makes sense.

I honestly wonder if you were to underclock the core and then possibly clock the memory higher, would it lead to a higher score?

@iikatinggangsengii2471

Жыл бұрын

pointless on nvidia, iirc its more sensitive to core oc, recall my 460 can oc to 880/more i dont remember (from 725) and its like a new card

@Make-Asylums-Great-Again

Жыл бұрын

No

@pixels_per_inch

Жыл бұрын

Based on my experience, higher core and lower memory gives the best results

Seems like Jay knows what he's doing. Also the FEs getting better results than the AIBs is definitely sus. Nvidia is definitely doing something fishy.

@macsuibhne02

Жыл бұрын

So how do you explain only 1 FE card in the current top five 4090s in Port Royal?

Funny that you also have cold instability, i have an issue with my 7950X being unstable with -20 curve optimizer on a fresh cold boot, but being stable in warmed up stress tests. I have given up for now but i hope it will resolve with new bios.

I took a lot of time and care putting it together and it runs really well

Can't wait to see Newegg bundles that contain a 13900K or 7950X, a 4090 and a window unit air conditioner. Meanwhile in Canada people will be selling their space heater to buy a 4090.

@wolphin732

Жыл бұрын

I have a 3080 TI... and room a little cool? start gaming or process a few panoramic photos... My space heater is likely to just collect dust, and I can have a cool room at night.

I wonder if it makes a big difference in games these overclocking numbers, if it does I might try overclocking mine, right now I'm just using the silent bios and chilling at low temps with plenty of fps to spare. I actually undervolted and got the same performance at 300-320W, I'm very happy.

@interlace84

Жыл бұрын

Were you also happy paying what you did for that GPU though? Over here it's above $2000 for a single gaming pc component.. even if I had that, there's no way I'd be "very happy" with those prices.

@eduardosanchez7827

Жыл бұрын

Nowadays it’s not worth to OC the GPU, it’s too much hassle to get like 5% extra fps while loosing a lot of stability. Once you get over 120 fps it’s very hard to see any difference in gameplay (wich doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get a high refresh rate monitor)

@SSoul0

Жыл бұрын

@@interlace84 If he has the means to and he wants to why not? Im very happy with my Strix 4090 as I can push all the frames at 89% of 4k and not break a sweat and my 3D renderings and renderings overall are quicker than before. This card, provided i take very good care of it, is going to last me YEARS!

@mcgman8058

Жыл бұрын

the difference in gaming is minimal at the expense of gaming stability.

@interlace84

Жыл бұрын

@@SSoul0 that's quite the gender assumption you're making there with OP's avatar and all 🤫

i love over clocking jay watch all these videos i did get my computer on the leader board for 3070s wish i could get a 4000 series to mess with

Haven't built a new gaming rig since 2013! Still running an OC 2600K / AMD R9 Fury / Sabertooth 77 board. ( Replaced dual 7970's for the R9 in 2016 ) I see some nice stuff finally dropping in price , where I might finally build a new rig later winter time. Going all AMD though I believe.

The GPU Tweak is gonna be acting differently in comparison with Afterburner, also the GPU Tweak has different voltage profiles maybe giving a try to that might have change the results. The 0.050mV on the Performance mode might increase something between 30-60mhz to the clock, that’s interesting considering that the FE is somehow at the same level I believe than it is safe to assume the Rog Strix P-Mode isn’t a really P-Mode it seems a kind of “placebo”. Also, the voltage fluctuations not always make things crash it will be for sure depending on how voltage is regulated on the PCB. Anyway…

@darknase

Жыл бұрын

0.050mV = 0.00005 V You probably mean 50 mV or 0.05 V Millivolt (which mV is the abbreviation of) just means 1/1,000 of a volt and is chosen as unit in the UI as it gives more granularity and readability (b/c without separators).

Waiting on my 4090 went with the liquid cooled MSI

@DaleFCB10

Жыл бұрын

Nobody likes a showoff my guy

@Dji00

Жыл бұрын

@@DaleFCB10 fuckin chill.. he's just stoked. Let him be. You sound bitter.

@JohnDoeC78

Жыл бұрын

Same, waiting for the Suprim X to be in stock.. Pre orderd 👌

@EchoedR

Жыл бұрын

@@DaleFCB10 commenting that they got a product the video is about is not showing off

@grxvytrain5794

Жыл бұрын

@@DaleFCB10 Lol! Show me where Nvidia hurt you.

Ughhh. I was so excited for the custom cardboard masterpiece. Nice vid tho dudes

Can't wait to see the new RIP competition.

Now I know why EVGA left that makes way more sense than anything.

@whitewizzard5245

Жыл бұрын

What do you know about EVGA leaving?

@Iwhoiam999

Жыл бұрын

@@whitewizzard5245 Nvidia is actually making good cards now as far as thermals and performance. Basically phasing out 3rd party vendors. Nvidia can sell their cards for far cheaper too. 3090ti is a good example of that

@mcgman8058

Жыл бұрын

I do not think it's the ASIC quality that made them leave, I believe it was NVidia's price capping and them losing a couple hundred dollars per card in this saturated market. you cant compete with with a company like ASUS, who can lose tons of money on their flagship and make up the losses with marketing more profitable products.

@fahadal-asmari6893

Жыл бұрын

Like what is the point of 3rd party vendors at this point?, That's what I'm saying and EVGA already knows.

@whitewizzard5245

Жыл бұрын

@@Iwhoiam999 Thanks Alen. I'm new to the GPU seen so thanks for the information =)

Those prices should be illegal...

My dad builds servers and once told me that your biggest enemy is time for data to move like length of cables etc. seems negligible but it can add up. I wonder if the low temp is contracting the board decreasing distance data travels.

I love that jay defaults to converting computers to car language so I can actually understand wtf is going on here😂😂😂 best analogy ever. And I’m not joking cuz I know tone in voice doesn’t translate well

i feel like the strix was designed to run horizontally (with the Mobo vertical as it would be in the case) something as silly as it's orientation could be the key factor in it's cooling capabilities (as it's vapor chamber)

@mcgman8058

Жыл бұрын

condensing, evaporation and the phase change are going to absolutely ignore gravity. Just like if you stood an industrial chiller vertically it would absolutely care less. Its going to follow the thermodynamics, not gravity.

@TheHarleyEvans

Жыл бұрын

@@mcgman8058 the convection part of fluid dynamics is a thermal dynamic function which relies heavily on gravity, those fin stacks need to be place opposite the directional force of gravity to achieve maximum thermal transfer between the vapor chamber and the fins. and they can only achieve that if the card is oriented in the right direction

These cards draw as much power as my entire computer. It's a sick joke.

@ryanthompson3737

Жыл бұрын

Overclock a 3090ti and you're looking at more than 500w. it's still a lot of power, but you can't get past physics. Unless we fundamentally change what computing is, we're quickly going to run into cards running above 1,000w while being the size of an entire console.

The 24Gb Vram doesn't need tuning, it just sucks power from the gpu core, but you don't need that much ram speed! -500mhz = more score! Sometimes less ... more! On my 3080 Ti card it runs at -500mhz on memory speed, and I get more FPS than if I push it to +500mhz, because it uses unnecessary power if I push it to +500mhz, no need for that much ram spped /GB/s/!

Yesss RIP series starts