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He gets bullied because he dosen't have girlfriend when he was 16? Me who's in 21 and single since birth: 👁️👄👁️
@jofx4051
3 жыл бұрын
Me who 23: 👁️👄👁️
@innoillust
3 жыл бұрын
Me: 23 and single
@dante5554
3 жыл бұрын
@@yamcha8309 yeah lol
@g.g47
3 жыл бұрын
@@yamcha8309 yup i got peer presured to play cod mobile and mobile legends
@alfonlinata6797
3 жыл бұрын
24 here
You see, as an Indonesian myself, I completely understand. And no, I am straight, I just don't prefer to have a relationship yet or maybe ever. Although I only know two people so far who aren't straight. One of em is my elementary school friend. Indonesia is a country with many cultures, you may see on television on how we have so many tolerances towards each others. But if you live in the society, it's different. I've seen people like him before, being an outcast and stuff, disowned by their own parents. Although I love Indonesia, it pains me to say I don't like the people much. So many self-proclaimed religious folks, but hating and judging one another. It's sad really.
@guacamolebelacan8094
5 жыл бұрын
Рэнди Рубан I wish I could change all of Indonesian to be you. Billions of you.
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
Indonesia need more people like you
@natherinz3650
5 жыл бұрын
Woah your name really looks like Indonesia
@RendyRuban
5 жыл бұрын
@@natherinz3650 oh, yeah. I'm learning Russian. Tapi seriusan, gue beneran Indo.
@natherinz3650
5 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha slow aja per carcaya kok gw, apa daya orang Indo masih begini
Religion is never an excuse to bring hatred.
@rosalemön
5 жыл бұрын
I strongly agree.
@eatingbatsoupforaliving7872
4 жыл бұрын
Apparently, based on from the views of dominant society, religion has major and minor influence of an individuals decisions and choices. You could say that religion could be an excuse if one's preference is influenced by belief.
@colpugno7
4 жыл бұрын
And yet it was, is and it always will be...
@tohirigaming5235
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe thats why there is a reason for you to join religion or not even joining any religion, beside the one who decide its yourself not me Im muslim kiddos from indonesia
@tsiagian6610
3 жыл бұрын
Religion is always an excuse for anti semites, homophobes, xenophobes, racism and unnecessary killings, like Hamas bombings and honor killings.
The accent is really indonesian. It’s unique
@drgfitdds
5 жыл бұрын
Terrible one. Eh?
@ragdollbunniii6181
5 жыл бұрын
I mean, what do you expect from an Indonesian?
@yaz0109
5 жыл бұрын
@@ragdollbunniii6181 lol. people are constantly being shamed and ridiculed for their "accent" just because it doesn't fit the standard, which is probably the american or british accent.
@ragdollbunniii6181
5 жыл бұрын
Day Larissa i guess i can agree. At least the person can speak English fluently
@IA-gs5cm
5 жыл бұрын
I think his mother tongue is javanese language, that's why he got this accent
Mostly indonesian like to judge other people and think that they are the most righteous person in the world
@konohaempire
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a freedom of expression to me.
@marcomahardika5133
3 жыл бұрын
@@konohaempire Lol yeah dude. Those liberals talks a lot about freedom of speech but when they don't agree with it, they call the opposing as hate person, racist or phobic of something, bunch of hypocrites indeed.
@konohaempire
3 жыл бұрын
@@marcomahardika5133 yup
@reyviewchannel97
3 жыл бұрын
@@marcomahardika5133 those liberals not the one killing, droping and behead others who have diffrent point of view like you homophobic do to lgbt and others whose dont want to follow your religion Doctrine
@konohaempire
3 жыл бұрын
@@reyviewchannel97 they dont behead LGBT lul.... Beheading can only be done if you killed someone. 1:1 even.
LGBTQ+ Community not fight for "Freedom" here but there fight for "human rights". That was the Hardest part for living here.
@Esther-oq8ve
4 жыл бұрын
I think they are fighting for their human rights to get their individual freedom.
As a Muslim Indonesian I feel bad for him, sure I'm not supposed to be ok with the LGBT+ Community. But he's just like everyone else, a human. He's not hurting anyone, so let him be
@aiya5777
5 жыл бұрын
seriously ?
@tukanggg4945
5 жыл бұрын
True
@ataxwibisono8095
5 жыл бұрын
www.google.com/amp/s/www.voaindonesia.com/amp/4711830.html... Ditangkap LGBT... Wkwkw
@JessAyu
5 жыл бұрын
Ann Sears yeah....millenial in this country have more open minded... Just like any other youth generation in lots of countries, some of us think that way... Even if it doesnt match our personal believe, i wouldn't make fun him or anyone that doesnt harm others ...
@Kitty4413
5 жыл бұрын
@@aiya5777 yep
Yes, Indonesia is a conservative country. Most people here cant accept LGBT. For those of you who said indonesia is still far behind than the developed countries, not accepting LGBT is not the sole reason for you to say “thats why indonesia is a third country”. There are more factors than that, and remember even though your country is more developed than mine, each country still has its own weaknesess just like people. No country is perfect. And also, our values are different than yours. You may think that your values is right, but it may not be right for us.
@daughterofpalestine7130
5 жыл бұрын
What you said is perfect. No one except the people of the country has a right to whether accept LGBT or deny it.
@smaguy64
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's very very very subjective. Depends on what's your prespective on certain subject.
@pcvgm
5 жыл бұрын
Is denying and discriminating a human for their basic characteristics a VaLUe oF InDoNEsIa? No wonder why...
@pcvgm
5 жыл бұрын
@@daughterofpalestine7130 Denying someone for how they were born isn't humane. It only born and spread hate.
@drgfitdds
5 жыл бұрын
@@pcvgm how they were born? Yeah right. Read what she just said okay. Stop pushing your way of thinking onto us.
All these perverts, so obsessed about other people’s bedroom habits... Live and let live.
@anatoldenevers237
3 жыл бұрын
Cheryl I why is that so hard for some people to understand
@someonerandom1569
3 жыл бұрын
Well written. I don't get why someone's love interest means so much to STRANGERS. All these people who judge and hate people for basically having their own preference need to chill.
@pyupyu2043
3 жыл бұрын
@Ubah Dunia you forgot kemanusiaan yg adil dan beradab and keadilan bagi seluruh rakyat indonesia and persatuan indonesia 😁👍
@muhammadnabawi7932
3 жыл бұрын
@Ubah Dunia You dont have to follow the LGBTQ Community, but dont mocking or insulting them if they are innocents.
@innoillust
3 жыл бұрын
Somebody said LGBTQ+ against Pancasila while the 5th Principles is: "Social justice for the whole of the people of Indonesia"
I like how we pretend that denying people the same rights that you enjoy counts as an "opinion" HAHAHA
@CDiara
4 жыл бұрын
So on point.
@MrOssyMoro
3 жыл бұрын
Islam is the problem.
@mef423
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrOssyMoro no
@sanenomg
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrOssyMoro no not really.
@putraharith8426
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrOssyMoro Malaysian here,I have to say no as the trio above me
Fun fact : Indonesia also have LGBTQ story movie called "Arisan" this movie released in 2001. And the story is about the become truth to yourself and coming out if you are a LGBT. lol
@mayth6639
3 жыл бұрын
I cant find it, do you have a link to a video with it??
@user-fe3kv6kf8p
3 жыл бұрын
@@mayth6639 i watch in on Netflix Indonesia, or maybe u can search on Netflix generally or search on torrent which like pahe(dot)ph
@reflectionoflight9891
3 жыл бұрын
Arisan like...that one party middle aged women would go to and gossip?.. Wait..Oh...
@mhmdafaril
3 жыл бұрын
main arisan yu
@renalazuardi3512
3 жыл бұрын
thankyou kageyama!!
Ive met an Indonesian here in the Philippines. One time that we hangout, he hold my hand and cried. He said it was his first time holding a man’s hand. We kissed and it felt surreal. He flew back to Indonesia and never heard of him again. It was like a short dream.
@whooopsiesssssssss9770
3 жыл бұрын
U should have told him to stay with u
@fumino.
3 жыл бұрын
no
@nat-xf4dd
3 жыл бұрын
@@fumino. y not
@pjenk201
3 жыл бұрын
Wow... just wow.. It sounds like something that could happen in a movie
@kingb.6300
3 жыл бұрын
Hello there, up until now ba wala kaparin update sakanya?
True. Many things changed drastically since 2016 :(. I feel like the Indonesia I know when I was growing up is so much different compare to today. It become less.... diverse. Suddenly, everything is about religion. Every politian use religion as a tactic, public figures use religion to gain sympathy, goods use halal certificate for most random things (imagine a refrigerator has halal certificate -__-. It's not like if someone put pork in there, then it's become halal food right?) etc. I feel like sometimes, everybody's forget the true essences of the religion itself.
@25254617
5 жыл бұрын
i'm totally with u! everything's about religion, primordialism and etnoscentric ideologies its so scary sometimes. especially since were in a politic election era.. somehow it felt like people are tricking this bad time as an advantage for their own purposes
@TheDuckPox
5 жыл бұрын
Indonesian has become a lot more corrupted that I think it makes sense if someone says that Indonesian will become no more in 2030. - Net neutrality - Politics - Religion - LGBT - Friendliness I think Indonesian have one of the best place for vacation, but not so much for living.
@desmondmiles286d4
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, because religion is the root of basic moral. What do you mean as a tactic? Is it wrong that they practice their religion? What is wrong is when they use the name of the religion but didn't actually practice it.
@jasondavis6861
5 жыл бұрын
Contoh nya adalah pemilu tahun ini
@alexamherst5637
5 жыл бұрын
Indonesia bahkan bukan negara islam smgh -_-
As someone from indonesia its disgusting how people judge each other in this country. this is my opinion.
@ariaghani176
5 жыл бұрын
U also judging us ? So what's the different ??
@muhammadapri1630
5 жыл бұрын
@@ariaghani176 savage
@Kameroro2
5 жыл бұрын
@@ariaghani176 People like you who are just a bully, who likes to oppress the minority, kinda deserve it.
@bruh69-b5n
5 жыл бұрын
aria ghani RIP ENGLISH
@aqila1919
5 жыл бұрын
Asshhiiaaaaap
좋은 말 안하면 그냥 닥쳐라 좀🙄
@cleoreizzelv3894
5 жыл бұрын
mood
@mama-sy7to
5 жыл бұрын
@@cleoreizzelv3894 no
@cleoreizzelv3894
5 жыл бұрын
@@mama-sy7to no?
@mama-sy7to
5 жыл бұрын
@@cleoreizzelv3894 Something about satirical humor concerning sensitive issues like this one rubs me the wrong way. But oh well, mOoD.
@cleoreizzelv3894
5 жыл бұрын
@@mama-sy7to well I'm sorry that what I said bothered you but I would appreciate it if you just told me without being rude
Reminds me of my homophobic classmates throughout school. I am not part of lgbtq but they don't deserve to be treated so lowly like that. It was made me realized my old standards and judgement is not 100% right and i'm still figuring out a lot of things.
It’s lovely that his boyfriend still stuck with him. I hope they’re doing we’ll right now.
@timotianugerah8104
3 жыл бұрын
*well
@aprilkevin5835
3 жыл бұрын
Sure they will
@Q-lyme
3 жыл бұрын
@M Robbani Ilham really? May i ask for a source?
@nangie2724
3 жыл бұрын
@M Robbani Ilham how did you know??
@taufikd9412
3 жыл бұрын
@M Robbani Ilham adopted kids?
Di Indonesia banyak sekali manusia, tetapi tidak ada kemanusiaan.
@ichigahara
5 жыл бұрын
Iya setuju
@kaytonusualshitposting
5 жыл бұрын
Setuju
@steffichan
5 жыл бұрын
@@adamantobserver8655 gini loh maksudnya dinegara kita ada banyak orang cuma pasti ada aja yang ga punya sifat prikemanusiaan kebanyakan pada hakim sendiri :")
@adamantobserver8655
5 жыл бұрын
@@steffichan lagian juga percuma kalo gk main hakim sendiri, kalo aparat yg nangkap trus hukumannya tidak setimpal kan sama saja. Contohnya tikus berdasi hehe.
@hesselxaverius5299
5 жыл бұрын
Puisi 100
Anti boleh tapi jangan dibenci dan dibully, mereka juga sesama manusia sama kayak kita
@lia00123
5 жыл бұрын
Trueeee
@sairalair5133
5 жыл бұрын
Agree
@Sannnwich
5 жыл бұрын
Indonesia.... As i can see it,Is a very based on religion especially to this thing.... Because islam is not that accepting about this thing especially on the history of luth AS... So indonesian is really fast to judge other really fast,just because of the religion Gua milih bahasa inggris karena gua tau, ada beberapa hal yang akan gua bilang salah dalam bahasa indonesia tersendiri
@novankurniadi180
5 жыл бұрын
@@Sannnwich is it only islam not accepting LGBT?
@Sannnwich
5 жыл бұрын
@@novankurniadi180 as i see it,basic ly thats almost all of indonesian reason to not accepting lgbt. Like you know lucinta luna case.... She get bullied basicly by the internet and indonesian who is not accepting..... If probably lucinta luna move to maybe amerika... She will probably get defend by the people there
i'm a muslim and an indonesian but i'm not a homophobic because i know, their sexuality is not a choice. i don't like it when people hating the others just because their sexuality is different.
@jefinathariwirza6578
3 жыл бұрын
Not based, remember to what happen to Lut.AS wife?
@kalisthaputri8284
3 жыл бұрын
@@jefinathariwirza6578 i'm not hating them but it doesn't mean i support them. i choose not to hate them because they are human too.
@fikrihbro
3 жыл бұрын
Jan anggep lgbt ini normal
@lemonyfish3303
3 жыл бұрын
@@fikrihbro maksudnya?
@nowyishes4746
3 жыл бұрын
@@fikrihbro normal atau engga, kamu TIDAK punya hak untuk menghakimi mereka ataupun throwing hate ke mereka. Kalau kamu tidak mendukung lgbt, yah sudah biarin aja mereka mau jadi apa, ngapain peduliin urusan orang? Focus on yourself dude
I have a friend Indonesian Transgender. He's currently living in Philippines. His parents doesn't want him. They cut him off more than like 4 years.
@kartikeysingh6971
3 жыл бұрын
Bcz of religion
@ahmadfarizm3946
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah no wonder why
@bencehorvath6094
3 жыл бұрын
@@ahmadfarizm3946 🤣
@hotaryuzaki
3 жыл бұрын
i support.. For the parents. the parents has right, why is bother you? he has choice, and his parent has choice.
@jefinathariwirza6578
3 жыл бұрын
Based parents, hope i can be like them someday
I'm not LGBTQI, but I got love and support from my LGBTQI friends in Indonesia. A lot of them are asking question like "Do you still love and accept me for who I am?" I answered " of course boo, why you asking a dumb question like that?" and they told me the truth and ended up crying. I embraced them with all my heart. They don't ask much, they just wanna be heard and be respected like any other people. To this dude right here, you keep on believing yourself and be yourself. You're not alone. I got your back boo, Point Blank PERIOD! 💖
@HaHa-gg9dl
5 жыл бұрын
cipiii yaaa Nope
@sarahp449
5 жыл бұрын
cipiii yaaa we’ll be happy if ur out of this country sis
@cipiiiyaaa1299
5 жыл бұрын
@@tjokrosadyatinggil5898 HEI MANUSIA LAKNAT TIDAK BERTUHAN HAK APA KAU LARANG AKU!
@cipiiiyaaa1299
5 жыл бұрын
@@tjokrosadyatinggil5898 Tuhan mana yang kau sembah?! ngegas amat dr tadi kenapa elu malu jadi LGBT?
@tjokrosadyatinggil5898
5 жыл бұрын
@@cipiiiyaaa1299 Tuhanku gak perlu disembah, Dia ada di dalam diriku, mencintai tanpa syarat dan bersifat universal. Bukan tuhan buatan manusia yang suka menghukum bagian dirinya sendiri dan suka mengajab. Memang yang namanya orang mabok dogma agama akalnya sudah mati gara2 ayat buatan. Lebih baik jadi spiritualis daripada jadi orang hina macam kau yang gak punya nilai kemanusiaan. Dasar umat bar bar. Perek laknat.
It’s so sad how Abrahamic religions ruins everything. Indonesia was once a diverse country with a predominantly Hindu-Buddhist culture. After Islam arrived, this is what happened. Everything is about hatred, intolerance and violence.
@nazteee8769
3 жыл бұрын
It really is depend on the people, I'm an atheist but most of my Muslim friends really care about loving each other and forgiving each other, but theres also a Kaboom boi making kaboom in front of the church
As an Indonesian Muslim, I have no problem with LGBT people. I never see them as "not normal" nor "special". I always see them as normal human being who are just like anyone else.
@wafvlelo1296
3 жыл бұрын
In other words, neutral
@swearitjustajuice63
3 жыл бұрын
@@wafvlelo1296 Yes.
@ferchii13
3 жыл бұрын
U are cool my dood!
@RepublikRakyatNusantara
2 жыл бұрын
Yes i do too
@user-ki2hx2ih5t
2 жыл бұрын
I mean. They are human? They are just a bone covered with flesh and skin that need blood as oil. Both of us have the same operator itself
When he lamented about his bf's hobby, I smiled because it's something so human and normal. Sometimes when we see an LGBT person, that's all we see. But actually, they are just normal ppl like us.
@BlueWithoutBiu
3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. And that's cute, how he complained of his bf. Funny how society tends to label people but... yeah, they are pretty much the same with us. Nothing different.
@gilangzaidan8454
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah exactly, they're nomal ppl just like us straight folks and they just wanted to be treated like everyone else... is that too much to ask??
@Rck-vert
2 жыл бұрын
Ain't nothing normal about 2 dudes sleeping improperly
@chasecake1683
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rck-vert well not normal isnt necessarily bad.
@adamantobserver8655
Жыл бұрын
@@chasecake1683 cannibalism?
Remember guys, religion never make you blind of humanity A person who truly walk on their religion's path will not mock him, hate him, or oppress him. But they will respect his decision. Because honestly, I believe all religion taught about respecting others. Don't just be human, but be human with humanity
@andriansubianto2213
3 жыл бұрын
Not all religion, only Islam
@elisabetvalentina4297
3 жыл бұрын
Agree with this👏🏼
@clearesta_luna8565
3 жыл бұрын
@@andriansubianto2213 nah, I'm a Muslim to and I have friends from different religion and they'd always remind me to pray. It's just that some people misunderstood their religion lesson and disrespect others.
@acehoss1713
3 жыл бұрын
@@clearesta_luna8565 i always remind my friend when its time to pray in mahgrib time (cmiiw) we used to play games togather around 5pm-9pm ,im a non muslim, everything is about tolerancy, right?
@clearesta_luna8565
3 жыл бұрын
@@acehoss1713 she's / he's lucky to have a friend like you. And yep, it's about tolerance with others
As someone straight and also an indonesian i don't exactly *promote* lgbtq+ but like I don't care if you're part of them too. You do you, to each their own, and so on. Sad that the majority of people don't have that same basic decency towards them.
@paradoz8375
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. They can do whatever they want as long as they don't effect me or anyone I know.
@marinmazer
3 жыл бұрын
May I ask how you feel about laws protecting lgbtq people from discriminations? do you think this is something a law needs to be made for or something left for individuals to decide how they want to treat them, even if it's differently/unfairly due to their identity? (You don't have to answer if it's uncomfortable btw, i don't wanna put you on the spot)
@rei1200
3 жыл бұрын
@@marinmazer It's ok! I don't mind answering. Honestly, I feel like it should have been enough with the human rights law we have in Indonesia, but since most people seem to disregard that law's existence when it comes to lgbtq+ people, new laws to protect them might be necessary at least to punish those who discriminate lgbtq+ person. I certainly wouldn't oppose it if it is to be made, but with the situation in my country as it is right now, I honestly don't think our government here will make it happen. Moreover, even if it was made there is also no guarantee that the discrimination will stop. It's sad, but most Indonesians (especially the older generations) are pretty close-minded and stubborn, unwilling to accept that time is changing.
@marinmazer
3 жыл бұрын
@@rei1200 Thanks for an honest answer. I don't know much about Indonesia, but in the US many people think laws protecting against discrimination are "special privileges" and I was wondering if this is a common feeling in other countries as well. (don't worry, I'm not gonna extrapolate on your answer for the entire country of Indonesia, but it's still nice to have an actual answer from someone from there). Have a nice day, random stranger :)
@rei1200
3 жыл бұрын
@@marinmazer That's such a sad way of thinking :( If it gave lgbtq people the same rights of no discrimination as straight people then it isn't "special privileges" at all, is it? I thought US is a lot more accepting of lgbtq than ID but it seems that there's still a lot to improve over there too. I hope our countries will be more accepting in the near future! You have a nice day as well, marinmazer :)
Here in Indonesia religion doesn't allow us to accept LGBTQ+ but I don't recall ever been taught about bullying others for being "sinners". They're still human smh
@hansel.2105
2 жыл бұрын
Except for Hinduism and Buddhism , where it's allowed to be LGBTQ community ❤.
@newbabies923
2 жыл бұрын
@@hansel.2105 not really Hinduism in Bali is influenced by indonesian values , which why Balinese also against Lgbtq.
@arifahmedkhan9999
Жыл бұрын
@@hansel.2105 Yea, cool take them with you
All I can get is his boyfriend love him that much
@asrealhandsomeman
5 жыл бұрын
And all i can get for this time i love you that much
@dakipenghapus
5 жыл бұрын
#lovewins
@azareus6371
5 жыл бұрын
Mr Gold if thats disgusting then christ, what are you.
@dakipenghapus
5 жыл бұрын
@Zaki Youssef what are u? Only got 2 brain cells left? You clearly don't get the content...go finish your elementary school first.
@dakipenghapus
5 жыл бұрын
@Zaki Youssef also, only losers that edited their own comment
" *I have to pretend that he's my cousin* " Me: Achilles and Patroclus flashback
I'm a Muslim Indonesian and I'm bisexual. Because of how religious our country is, even talking about it can get you beat up. Someone even made a conversion camp website to try and make homosexual indonesians "repent" By r@ping them. Honestly, I haven't come out to any of my family member or friends, it's scary.
@Nameless_shr1mp
3 жыл бұрын
actually you still can like both genders but you still need to think of it if your parent are muslim you need to think twice before tell you family but i hope your ok
@sakithesilly
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s sad, who you like is not a choice, religion or not, it’s more proof if you are in a religion that forbids it and you are still lgbt+. It’s sad how the world is like this and people brush it off as “oh it’s just my religion” no religion or not respect everyone
@Lenlon703
2 жыл бұрын
Eyy, hi-5 fellow bi indo
When religion mix with politics , same goes to Malaysia ( what a easy tools )
@NathanAEnver
4 жыл бұрын
Malaysia are founded by religion dude..
@goldroger6151
4 жыл бұрын
I'm tied of some countries , they are trying to defend themselves just because of a religion
@cxarhomell5867
3 жыл бұрын
Islam is political, Islamism.
@joshleretard1318
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, but could u pls get ur grammar right
@ex-muslimpride3040
3 жыл бұрын
islam is horrible
What happened to, "Berbeda-beda tetapi satu"? (Different but still as one) its not the same. Never has been.
@reyviewchannel97
3 жыл бұрын
Kalau skrng di ganti jadi berbeda beda tapi harus seiman
@zekkrn9739
3 жыл бұрын
1. Ketuhanan yang maha esa. sayang lgbt dilarang sama tuhan
@reyviewchannel97
3 жыл бұрын
@@zekkrn9739 Tuhan gak pernah melarang ataupun membenci lgbt, kalian kelompok mabuk agama penuh kebencian yg membenci lgbt dan melarangnya sebagaimana kalian mrmbenci dan melarang yg berbeda keyakinan dan kepercayaan dengan kalian
@rayhansatrio7475
3 жыл бұрын
@@reyviewchannel97 bible pernah denger gw ada larangan, tapi juga ada yang bilang salah translate, klo quran gw cek paling al araf 81
@Oxilyite
3 жыл бұрын
@@zekkrn9739 but not every religion is against lgbt
I feel so sorry for him. I could never comprehend the idea of his siblings kicking him out of the house just because he’s ‘different’?! It really infuriates and saddens me because I have a little brother myself. I would never ostracize my own family. The world is already a hard place, if your own family can’t accept you, who would? But I’m so glad that he found someone. His boyfriend is very lovely.
@chargemankent
3 жыл бұрын
It's not because he's different... It's because their beliefs told them to~
@Oxilyite
3 жыл бұрын
@@chargemankent he is different but not in a bad way though
@chargemankent
3 жыл бұрын
@@Oxilyite He is different... but he get kicked out not because he's different~
@azzahrasyabilla3515
3 жыл бұрын
@@chargemankent if they believe in what I believe then that's not true. My believe never told me to kick your family out of the house if they're 'different' i will accept them no matter what.
@adamantobserver8655
Жыл бұрын
Asian is about collective group and growth. This is the opposite of it.
I have been to Indonesia and all I found is friendly people and beautiful culture. Love and respect to Indonesia from India.
@Kameroro2
5 жыл бұрын
Well, not untill you change your religion, have different political view, marry someone from different religion and being part of lgbt. But that happens when you're only Indonesian. If you're Foreigner, they don't care unless you brought that up.
@yunitafitriyani2643
5 жыл бұрын
My Cousin convert from Moslem to Christian because she marrying a Christian man, but my big family still support n respect her n her husband no matter what their religion. Even when in Eid Mubarak moment, sometimes their hosting a celebration and invite us (their Moslem family) in their home to sharing happines n apologize each other in that moment (called silahturahmi or halal bi halal in Indonesian tradition). That's what we Indonesian People called "Bhineka Tunggal Ika", Unity in Diversity 😊
@mitsuzaki59
5 жыл бұрын
@@yuveex does that mean im sick for like 14 years? Lol
@yuveex
5 жыл бұрын
@@mitsuzaki59 can't you?
@ferretkhaki157
5 жыл бұрын
Yuvee no, that is not a fact.
I am a Spanish guy living in Belgium and in a long distance relationship with a wonderful guy that lives in Indonesia. I am planning on visitting him next summer but I am a bit afraid. How much danger are for both of us when we walk in the street? Can they arrest us just for being there? Is it dangerous that we hold our hands or kiss in public? And what about i the airport? I need to be well informed before going to Indonesia (btw, we will be staying in an RB&B appartment in Jakarta or Bandung, not sure yet).
@oliviaprameswari91
5 жыл бұрын
Hagane Elric You will not get arrested. But i recommend you to not kiss in the public because most Indonesian can’t accept LGBT yet. People will look at you in disgust or even judge you. Anyway, hopes you & your bf stay safe in Indonesia!!
@reieben886
5 жыл бұрын
Keep your activity indoor, then you'll be fine
@winnersalim5373
5 жыл бұрын
U better meet in another country. Like thailand or Vietnam .
@cateatinrat78
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, I know it's private but how is the relationship going?
@haganeelric98
3 жыл бұрын
@@cateatinrat78 Thankfully it is still going. I couldn't manage to go visit him last summer, but I could help him with the visa and he came to Belgium in Christmas. We spend the best 12 days of our life. The next step is to bring him definitely here, which I guess it's not easy.
I'm sorry that you have to live in fear.. may things get better for you 😭😭😭
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
😭😭
@ficmatagaea7813
3 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@IOIIOJakaLamariapa
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree
@professionalretard9308
3 жыл бұрын
I agree.
I am Indonesian, and I respect the lgbt community, and to clarify further I am catholic and straight
@fikrihbro
3 жыл бұрын
Maksud respect?
@cesalya6061
3 жыл бұрын
@@fikrihbro yah respect. paansi
@berbersaljoker3497
2 жыл бұрын
Ya respek boleh, tapi di sini d tentang, mustahil misalnya beneran d terima hancur indonesia...
@yeaesthetics3195
2 жыл бұрын
@@berbersaljoker3497 kenapa hancur? Klau org dri awalnya straight ya nggak akan berubah kok. Demikian klau org yang nggak trans, mau ketemu 1000 org trans didunia ini, ngopi tiap hari bareng mereka juga nggak akan bikin org itu trans. Terus hancurnya dimana? Dengan nggak membenci dan nggak bikin org ngerasa benci sama diri sendiri, apanya yang salah?
@arifahmedkhan9999
Жыл бұрын
To you is your religion
I'm Indonesian and I respect his decision.
@Rosemary_bae
3 жыл бұрын
Same I am not Indonesian
@alvinong9008
3 жыл бұрын
I only feel sorry for him. Its not his choice.
@Oxilyite
3 жыл бұрын
@@alvinong9008 for some reason people don't get that lgbt people can't choose just like people of color
As an indonesian + a muslim, as long as they don't disturb me I won't disturb them or judge on them. They're just a human living their own life. I have some few friends that aren't straight and they're pretty kind to me. I don't support or like them but I don't hate them either, I accept them as humans :)
As indonesian as human, i know everyone have different opinion and perspective, but i just have no idea why everyone judge so much on everything, let them be their self, be happy because we cant choose how we were born, its just ourself
@hohoho3660
5 жыл бұрын
Because those people must see the truth clearer. They mind has been being set by conservatives
We can just hide ☹ and sometimes your parents will force you to marry someone
@cytonelmao6511
5 жыл бұрын
Just ignore me only happens in india
@ez4miracle184
5 жыл бұрын
Amen
@earli649
5 жыл бұрын
Be an adult and make your own decisions. Marry the one that you want. You are owned by no one. You should do you.
@sammuelsammuel123
5 жыл бұрын
Do a lot of tarajweed prayers to get your mind and body under control.
@peterpaullee9952
4 жыл бұрын
@@earli649 yeah, being ungrateful is your virtue....
i missed my old indonesia where we were tolerate each other dofferences
@furryexterminatorinactive3386
3 жыл бұрын
i think, the incident *is going to happen again* with the power of technology this will be probably longer than half 3 centuries
@zaujimaveinformacie4008
3 жыл бұрын
That was before abrahamic religions came to Indonesia
@facebookuser1653
2 жыл бұрын
@@zaujimaveinformacie4008 nah 2016. When Islam went from a religion to a political ideology. Everything before were pretty chill
@bayoeprasetyo8964
2 жыл бұрын
@@facebookuser1653 thanks to China, US, Local Oligarch for make this. If you know what i mean.
@arifahmedkhan9999
Жыл бұрын
@@zaujimaveinformacie4008 cry about it
As an indo, I truely do feel terrible for him, I still don't know why homophobic is still such a large part of my country's politics.
@arsyapermana1
3 жыл бұрын
Simply religion, most of secular party at least not support or hate them
@hansel.2105
2 жыл бұрын
@@beginnergamerss6766 Buddhism supports LGBTQ 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈❤
@arifahmedkhan9999
Жыл бұрын
@@hansel.2105 💀OK.
@adamantobserver8655
Жыл бұрын
Based anti lgbt
@willnat1422
Жыл бұрын
It's not politics, it because we just belief and practice what religion and tradition taught to people.
Supporting them is not a must (goes back to what u belief; whats correct and incorrect) but please do respect them :)
@fathuuurrohman5634
3 жыл бұрын
Respect? No. Advice. These kinds of people should've get some lessons.
@fathuuurrohman5634
3 жыл бұрын
I mean these kinds of people shouldnt be ignored.
@crickey2399
3 жыл бұрын
@@fathuuurrohman5634 you have no business in telling other people what to do with their relationships.
@dhimaswahyu7849
3 жыл бұрын
@@fathuuurrohman5634 And what kinds of lesson you want to bring upon them then?
@fathuuurrohman5634
3 жыл бұрын
@@dhimaswahyu7849 sampah masyarakat 😎
just my opinion, i think is okay not accept lgbt but don't hate the people, we should respect each other believe and choice
@hohoho3660
5 жыл бұрын
But when we want to respect and not hate, you have to accept they first
@dhedhetika8608
5 жыл бұрын
@@hohoho3660 but before any things comes, can we just see each other as human being?
@Hans.Dewitt
5 жыл бұрын
@@hohoho3660 you can still respect them as human beings even before accepting any of their beliefs
@karina.letheia
5 жыл бұрын
Agree with u!
@Jowyerv
5 жыл бұрын
that's not a choice.
This is why I never come out to my parents. Being able to accept yourself and accept the fact that I'm not straight is already hard enough. I'm an Indonesian. I grow up and I study at a Catholic school or environment. I am not Muslim. Being a minority in the country is already hard enough, and you can imagine feeling so small because I have different sexuality. I have always been silent about it. It wasn't easy figuring it out especially when no one can explain and help you. At least no one in your environment. And once you find out about it, you need to learn to accept it. That's when the depression kicks in. That guy survived. What about those who committed suicide because of this?
@yeaesthetics3195
2 жыл бұрын
Iya kak rasanya udah kayak mau mati aja. Ak come out ke keluarga klau ak 'bukan perempuan' dan bener2 di tolak mati matian. Rasanya sakit banget. Ak sampe binggung akhirnya, apa ak bnr2 trans? Ak ngerasa ak bener2 trans, tapi kenapa jadi trans rasanya sakit bngt? Ak nggk ngerti kak rasanya sakit bngt. Gimana caranya kita survive ya tanpa terus terusan sembunyi dan nolak diri sendiri kyk gini? Ak pgn bngt join komunitas tapi nggak ketemu. Apa kk punya? Klo punya kali aja bisa sharing :(
@myearth6165
Жыл бұрын
@@yeaesthetics3195 semoga kamu selalu diberikan kekuatan ya. Hidupmu lebih berarti daripada omongan dan perlakuan tidak baik mereka yang jahat ke kamu ❤️
@yeaesthetics3195
Жыл бұрын
@@myearth6165 makasih 😭❤ kmu juga yaa
@5hspreadlove
Жыл бұрын
@yean ????? I know that and everybody knows that. What are you doing here really? Your comment is not helping at all
@soberman1520
Жыл бұрын
same but more obscure minority (I'm agnostic and I'm not straight and I used to be Muslim ) yup I won't even consider to come out,even in family or friends gatherings I always pretend to pray (salah)
I’m a korean canadian living in Indonesia. The majority of local Indonesians are definitely very homophobic bc of their strong Islamic backgrounds. I go to an international highschool, and the people in my school+ other international/intercultural schools are much more open minded (they watch jeffree, james charles etc). It’s very interesting for me to see such difference between locals who live in regular indo neighborhoods compared to more posh neighborhoods. One thing I’m sure of, A LOTTTTT of indo teens love KPOP and I’m positive that it’s affecting their views on LGBT (kpop group’s normally provide fanservice w/ the members and their fans would ship them). If the local teens here slowly become more and more open minded from the influence of kpop, I think the future of lgbt acceptance for the youth of indonesia is looking alright.
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
@D J also homophobic is not our culture
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
Live in Indonesia neighborhood = being uneducated
@rianimb2822
3 жыл бұрын
Indonesia is strong religion muslim or christian not support lgbt but dont hate thia people,and dont forget korea still homophobic
@victordsilalahi
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's a process and everything thing takes time, it's the younger generations that will change the collective beliefs or perspective towards sexuality. Maybe in 10 years from now, 20 years... So those of you who are struggling with your sexuality, jusy hold on to dear life, there's a lot of things to celebrate, friendship, love, beauty and soul connection who just get you.
i am 22yo and i have been make a relationship with my bf at least 7 years, here in Indonesia.
@nad652
5 жыл бұрын
Well, that's pretty brave
@naisyifamazaya6974
4 жыл бұрын
Ah :D hope you both stay together forever!
@Dani-ju6uq
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, I am 27 and I've been live together with my BF for 5 years, nice to heard your story, send hug.
@Panpan.212
3 жыл бұрын
@@Dani-ju6uq 🤗
@radish5101
3 жыл бұрын
Stay safe okay!
this happens to thousands of people in Indonesia, and it’s actually so sad because in here all the open minded one mainly stay in the big cities
@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873
5 жыл бұрын
oh hey yeah im open minded !! so im okay to all the new idea that being a hot topic in social media !! yeah im so open minded and progressive!! that im progressing to the regressed state of humanity !! cool !!
@Random-du4et
5 жыл бұрын
Open minded bukanlah alasan untuk membuat yang dilarang jadi boleh. Lgbt jelas dilarang dalam agama Islam
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
@@Random-du4et tbh, homoseksual dlm agama itu sering disalahtafsirkan. Cth agama melarang pedofilia tp malah ditafsirkan sebagai homoseksual. Entah siapa yg awal mulanya pnya tafsiran kyk bgtu dan turun temurun 🤦🏻♂️
@adamantobserver8655
5 жыл бұрын
@@brokenvibes2360 lgbt sama pedofilia dilarang itu tindak kriminal
@pizzarigby8396
3 жыл бұрын
@Random kalau agama lain. Contoh orang yang beragama budha tidak memiliki batasan dalam masalah orientasi seksual berarti mereka boleh lgbt, kan?
Come to the Philippines and we will welcome you with two hands
@oye175
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Philippines are open-minded, accepting and friendly! you will be safe there
@fikriakhdimaulana
4 жыл бұрын
Hahahah
@fikriakhdimaulana
4 жыл бұрын
@I WANT TO EAT YOUR PANCREAS hahahahah awesome
@fikriakhdimaulana
4 жыл бұрын
@@oye175 none of christianity beliefs that support LGBT, wake up
@asinkayamashi3414
4 жыл бұрын
It's not easy
Being yourself is not crime.
@revimfadli4666
5 жыл бұрын
Weren't criminals also being themselves?
@stevanny1426
5 жыл бұрын
@으 는 디 ᄐ ᅡアナンディタ wth? Being ourself is a crime in muslim? Explain to me please, im confuses
@stevanny1426
5 жыл бұрын
*d
@kwonjiyong73
5 жыл бұрын
If yourself is a psychopath who has fetish to torture people, you cant tell them to "be yourself".
@kwonjiyong73
5 жыл бұрын
@@stevanny1426 no.. It is not a crime as long as you still "be yoursel" in the right path.
As an Indonesian who lives in a religious environment, I can agree. People are always using their religion so they wouldn't get backlash from it. Political and famous individuals uses their religion in a way to not get backlash from it, to make themselves always look righteous. They say "We're diverse, but we are one.", yet look how they treat the LGBT Community. Truly a Great hypocrite.
@elioabelle9388
3 жыл бұрын
Transfer to the Philippined! Lol
@mirabelleabelle499
3 жыл бұрын
@@elioabelle9388 eyy I'm Abelle too! But about your comment it kinda hurts.. In a way because we are Indonesian and it's hard to leave this beautiful country even tho some may think its people are homophobic or open minded and accepting. It would be better to say "I hope Indonesia can and will accept the LGBTQ+ community and not disrespect them". By that saying it'll give more positives to LGBTQ+ Indonesians here
@jensenthegreen6780
3 жыл бұрын
I agree
As a young teen,a bisexuel,still in the closet and lives in indonesia i always feal like if i tell the peopel who are close to me that im bisexuel they will just push me away and think that im sick or its just a phase and the internet is actuely helping me to just be open to other peopel about me being bi and that im valid in anyway,it is hard to be a part of the lgbtq+ community especialy in indonesia i just hope that peopel here will just accept us for who we are
@freyaaaaalim
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry if this doesent make sence but you get the idea lah
@nazteee8769
3 жыл бұрын
Bro gw juga ateis cuman takut dibenci di Indonesia. Tapi mungkin masih lebih ditoleransi karena cuman kepercayaan.Intinya tetap semangat jalani kehidupan Broo👍👍
@hazzam552
3 жыл бұрын
So don't ever come out if you no have privileged like money or something can u handle be yourself.
@freyaaaaalim
3 жыл бұрын
@@hazzam552 thanks ill remeber that
@hansel.2105
2 жыл бұрын
@@nazteee8769 Im an Lgbtq Indonesian and a Convert to Christianity . Technically being LGBTQ is not against indonesia Bcs its Not against the Constitution. Bcs there is Still some Religions that Are not against the LGBTQ community Like for example Hindus and Buddhists. But Widespread Judgements are still seen.
As an Indonesian, I feel like people judge a lot based on their views... they even build communities and riots for something they “didn’t like”. Like it’s not bothering your life and not everything should be according to religious beliefs, some people just don’t trust it and it’s fine.
@tobi9809
2 жыл бұрын
Lu ngomongin agama mulu😀 Padahal mereka itu butuh edukasi bagaimana kembali jatuh cinta ke lawan jenis bukan sesama jenis😷ini malah di dukung hadehhh goblokkk asuu asuuu
Its hard to be lgbt in indonesia because it is really taboo in indonesia and the islamic cultures are so involved in the daily bassis
That's what happens when religion rules the country.
@zendrox.von-laixer9192
3 жыл бұрын
@Keyaan Arrasyid Akbar well thats your opinion
@fos1451
3 жыл бұрын
@Keyaan Arrasyid Akbar I don’t think indo is democratic
As an Indonesian, it pains me to say that this homophobia only gets worse when one goes to online platforms. Nearly all Indonesian videos mentioning 'LGBT' are littered with comments saying things like 'the LGBT community should be treated more badly than animals' or 'more than 80% of the members of Indonesia's LGBT community suffers from homophobia, we should make it a 100%'. Living as an LGBT individual in Indonesia is already brutal, so imagine what it must feel like to be an Indonesian LGBT netizen.
@buttxrontoast-7100
Жыл бұрын
I'm an Indonesian Christian, but I wish to see a Secular, Open-Minded Indonesia in the near future.
@KuroosRoosterHair
Жыл бұрын
@@buttxrontoast-7100 agreed... Glad there's still people who is accepting and open minded in Indonesia here, like you. And I'm a Muslim Indonesian... But i don't care anymore. I'm a LGBT Muslim.
@KuroosRoosterHair
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, I'm also an Indonesia LGBT... I hate how society nowadays are closed minded. And that's one of the reason why i lose hope in humanity.
@snuckel4
Жыл бұрын
@@KuroosRoosterHairhat should mean youre no longer muslim... yet until you act upon it. Actually you still can be be but dont expect your prayers would be accepted.
@Roro-hf8gx
Жыл бұрын
@@KuroosRoosterHair wth lgbt muslim? What kind of muslim is that?? I bet you never read al quran, or you never understand what you read in quran. You can't be a muslim and lgbt, islam is never support lgbt. Sepertinya ke islaman anda patut dipertanyakan...
As much as I do love this country I hope that someday people like them can live happily as what they truly are
@MrOssyMoro
3 жыл бұрын
Very happy to see some considerate and human Muslim once in a while.
@mbeina326
3 жыл бұрын
Never lol
@kukukuku4773
3 жыл бұрын
@@mbeina326 leave
@averathi6755
3 жыл бұрын
@@mbeina326 🤡🤡
@berbersaljoker3497
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry mate not gonna happen here.. im against and so we on country
It's disgusting at how many people in my countries keep judging each other based on religion. Why can't people just at least RESPECT each other. I'm sick of this abuse. ~from a bisexual indonesian
@rasya5425
3 жыл бұрын
Proud of you Mystic
@xy9118
3 жыл бұрын
Indonesia people are crazy about religion ~from a pansexual indonesian
@adrianwakeisland4710
3 жыл бұрын
Their being homophobic and mabuk agama are the main reason why we cannot respect indonesia and the indonesian people (especially the homophobic religious people), at all!!!
@rickydavidson5268
2 жыл бұрын
@@adrianwakeisland4710 then leave this country, if don't like it then leave.
@naganut9718
2 жыл бұрын
@@adrianwakeisland4710 that sort of being racist
As an indonesian, and a CHILD it really hurts to be in the lgbt community because some might say, " kamu terlau muda untuk tau " and yes, i am young tetapi aku tidak buta bahwa aku bisexual, biromantic, dan bigender. Im also afraid of what will happen if my family found out, especially my dad. I love them so much to let them go and everytime i draw lgbt my dad usually finds out and says " Kamu suka cewek? " and i would make up a lame excuse and he would believe it. So this is why it's hard especially me being a child, my religion, the people who care abt you, and being the only lgbt person in the whole entire school, well except the Asexuals that are there uwu
@Sunny-iz9jx
3 жыл бұрын
Just stay strong I'm a bisexual demiandrogyne person and ur not alone We have a whole army behind us I'm here for u :)
@hardivora1468
3 жыл бұрын
Your father asking that means that he might alr figured out of your true personality, sexuality. Be honest with him. Becoz you cant forever lie to yourself
@willnat1422
Жыл бұрын
Ayahmu hanya berusaha menjalankan keyakinan agamanya, ayahmu meyakini sesuai ajaran agamanya, bahwa ajaran Tuhan yang kamu langgar maka akan menjadi tanggung jawabnya pula. Semoga Tuhan memberi petunjuk padamu.
I'm a Saudi Arabian and the struggle that we face in Muslim countries just for being who we are is extremely huge and we find ourselves constantly fighting for the simplest rights and that's just horrible I'm out of words I just lost my faith in humanity I'm not trying to play the victim role but what's happing for us is extremely inhumanity.
@MehesaWongAteleng
Жыл бұрын
You play victim because you man. Simpel knowledge like this you don't understand?
@as2s3hf7gff
10 ай бұрын
We're minorities here... If the situation never changed, there's 3 options.. hide in closet forever, hookups or hiding our relationship, n going overseas
@funwithgames4608
7 ай бұрын
We exist everywhere but these Muslim countries say we don't have Homosexual which is a lie
Dimana ada orang yang menentang Komunitas LGBT, disitu anda akan liat saya.
Well I will tell one thing about this. INDONESIA is NOT MUSLIM country. I am Indonesian and I am straight, but I do feel bad to these people who are struggling for their own right. Remember that Indonesia is Pancasila which one of it said " social justice for all the people of Indonesia". And as well that I am telling u I'm Muslim too, but this is not about religion. This is about our own right. People have their own right to who they wanna be. I feel bad for these people because they being fear to live in their own home country. This shouldn't their business to judge these people who have intrested in the same gender.
Indonesian IRL : *condemning LGBT* Indonesian on the internet : lol gæy goes brrrr
As an Indonesian, I said that in reality Indonesian is well open minded to lgbt , and we are okay with that. But, in internet somehow you will read some troll who pretend to be Indonesian or really the toxic one. U know internet, nameless poeple can say randomly. Orang Indonesia itu mudah digiring kok opininya, sangat mudah. Tingkat pendidikan yg gak seberapa menjadi faktornya.
@messamaesya4698
5 жыл бұрын
Terima emang. Asal jgn ngelakuin kegiatan non-muslim kalo di ktp tulisan masih beragama Islam, ubah aja. Biar di bumi ini Islam jadi mayoritas, agama satu2nya yang beranak di bumi. Cape jadi minoritas mulu di negara mayoritas non-muslim.
@bcoveplmene9791
5 жыл бұрын
@@messamaesya4698 Emang tinggal dimana
@adamantobserver8655
5 жыл бұрын
Terlalu open minded juga bisa membahayakan loh yah, contohnya lgbt.
@bcoveplmene9791
5 жыл бұрын
@@adamantobserver8655 Open minded itu masalah perbedaan. Tapi kalau lgbt mau close minded atau open minded akan tetap ada.
@adamantobserver8655
5 жыл бұрын
@@bcoveplmene9791 bukan, open minded itu berpikir secara terbuka tentang mereka atau apapun itu, kalau lu terlalu open minded ke lgbt mau apa dunia ini?
Yupp Islamists are quite spiteful in Indonesia, you can even use it to drag down someone when they're not a Muslim especially politician.
@angelknives375
5 жыл бұрын
True 😒
@lwgg
5 жыл бұрын
@Zaki Youssef well they dont touch the nerve of the muslim and they dont really held central power that could threat other party with interest.
@lwgg
5 жыл бұрын
@Zaki Youssef dude..i said they didnt touch the muslim's nerve not saying he doesnt has the nerve or the gut...so no conflict of interest.. Jangan ngegas baca dulu
@lwgg
5 жыл бұрын
@Zaki Youssef Zaki Youssef conflict of interest remember? They will go along their way as long as they cater the muslim's wants and if they dont do so then their weapon is their religion. Oh geez. We are sampling from ahok here and it may not be the same for you but this is how i see politic in Indonesia which really is a let down for minority here. When ahok reign, public's sympathy were slowly gained any many felt threaten, he was the epitome of minorities face as much as we wants a justice and equality religion always become a highest point here. "I Dont like this!" "Why?" "BCAUSE MY ALLAH SAID SO! EVERTHING IN QUR'AN IS RIGHT!" then how are we can debate that?. So respect that sis
@lwgg
5 жыл бұрын
@Zaki Youssef yupp he is wiser and not so controversial ..so? That is who he is , not everyone can be a carbon copy of him Then if someone is less wise and controversial then they are to blame? I think no
I feel bad for him of having such terrible siblings.. And he shouldn't listen to them who mocked him! Gain power of ur own, and just ignore the siblings.. I'm also a single, 28y/o never date anyone (almost); bcz I choose to I know people said bad things, behind my back (and sometimes in my face), but they know nothing. I choose what I choose and I take risk that I can bear; the one who taste the fruit is me anyway
@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873
5 жыл бұрын
how about, no, youre the one who know nothing. yeah, choose whatever you want, but dont come whining and crying afterwards, thats what makes people irritated.
@fp_ilovelies2351
5 жыл бұрын
@@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873 I'm sorry, what??? Which one showed me that I'm whinning and crying? U don't see my point here,, people accused him something based on his own one choice Surely I know nothing, but I know how to ignore people's judgement over something they barely know And if u are irritated abt my words, u don't have to respond my post Simple
@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873
5 жыл бұрын
@@fp_ilovelies2351 yeah i said "you" in my statement before, I stand corrected, i should clearly addressed the lgbt here, not you as the individual. I get your point, my point is, lgbt shouldnt whining and crying about the consequences of their "CHOICE"
@fp_ilovelies2351
5 жыл бұрын
@@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873 Agreed then Thanks for clarifying I consider myself as a non-Homophobic, but I wouldn't go support them either. I simply disagree with their choice of life, I'm not hating the person.. People should at least considering others' thoughts and emotions before judging, bcz we never know what happened under the cover And this man should be at least grateful that there's no such regulation against LGBTQ in Indonesia (as I know). He "just" need to bear of not being free to express his love in the public And I think, expressing Love in the public isn't necessary actually, even between man-woman..
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
LGBTQ is not a choice btw. Did straight is a choice? Ofc no! Same with the LGBTQ. Now you know. Homophobe is a choice btw.
as an Indonesian who is absolutely fine with other peoples sexuality, it's disturbing. Because i know this is true. In Indonesia, the majority of the people here are Islamic. And i am not saying Islamics are evil and they are all bad like this, (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG) but i have heard that for them, liking the same gender as your own is wrong. Again, i have nothing against Islamic. Indonesia is beautiful, but the people? not so much
Its their culture. we cant always force our ideology to other people. Migration is an option for them.
@LosAnggraito
5 жыл бұрын
Discrimination against the LGBT is *not* an inherent part of Indonesian culture. That's the influence of (recent) radicalized Islamic doctrine, and Islam does not represent the entirety of Indonesia, nor does every single Indonesian Muslim prescribe to such hateful ideologies. Our national motto is "Unity in Diversity," so, no - homophobia is not a natural part of our culture.
@jujuonthatbeat524
5 жыл бұрын
Hal da Costa we always discriminate lgbt, its like unspoken culture
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
Die is an option for homophobe
@pcvgm
5 жыл бұрын
Huh, migrating to another country is easy as leaving Islam.
@user-zd7ty9bg5v
5 жыл бұрын
indonesian culture is to judge and bully other people if theyre not having the same beliefs as theirs
I don't think it's a crime at all? It's my personal opinion though, so chill yourself out. If you have something negative to say just keep it to yourself, it's better than hurting other's feelings. I'm Indonesian and I'm straight, but I never despise people who are LGBT. I respect them, it's their own life after all. I mean, it's not harming us at all! They're being themselves and they're happy. All we need is to support them, If I ever had a friend who is LGBT, I won't mock them or anything. I'll support them and keep on being their friend. Spread love, not hate. ♡
@eggboi4916
5 жыл бұрын
Preach.
@ryanthanatonius4068
5 жыл бұрын
This is Indonesia and your life is about majority opinion XD
@nonameyet2205
5 жыл бұрын
Its not harming us at the moment, but if it spreading too much it might harm our kids.
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
@@ryanthanatonius4068 I hate to say this but you're right 🙃
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
Lisa, we need more straight man like you in the country❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
hypocrisy has become a culture in Indonesia
@adrianwakeisland4710
3 жыл бұрын
We really agree with that. That's the painful reality.
@MoskusMoskiferus1611
3 жыл бұрын
The whole Indonesian Society is a Fight Club
@fl8281
2 жыл бұрын
I wish they should've nuked us rather and Japan.
@Chris_Ivander
2 жыл бұрын
The whole world is a hypocrisy , not just indonesia
Indonesians are not disgusting for not accepting the LGBT community. They simply grew up with those values and beliefs with influences from their parents, friends , religion and many others. I don’t think it’s ok to hate and basically view them as not human but I don’t think their disgusting for thinking the things they’ve just been told everyday for their whole lives.
@thegloriousmorious9755
4 жыл бұрын
I think it’s fine to have their opinion, but saying that they shouldn’t have rights is disgusting. No matter how you view someone, they have a life, they deserve their life. No one is born hateful, no matter what environment
It's way more disgusting seeing the comments from the people outside Indonesian country judging how Indonesian value. If you don't know anything about Indonesian people and their culture, at least you should know a little before judging Indonesia.
@bellaaa9957
5 жыл бұрын
exactly what i thought. i mean we are raised in a religious country so i think it kinda makes sense if people in indonesia can't accept lgbt
@glitterypoop7262
5 жыл бұрын
@@bellaaa9957 don't you see how our own people judging our country? How can you avoid a foreigner judging us if we also judge our own country?
@cletusmcyeetus5975
3 жыл бұрын
@@bellaaa9957 mhm. Unfortunately that doesn't make it right.
Well as a Indonesian muslim myself i dont have any problems with the LGBT folks we can be friends or nothing. As i say in other word= neutral
Imagine got rejected by the whole family and bullied by the surroundings. At least he still has his bf that seems loving him unconditionally.
All hearts go to this guy, Bisexual teen aswell, Im actually surprised that everyone (Students) in my school altough it is party dedicated to religion, Is surprisingly tolerant towards me, Actually made some funny harmless jokes about it.
I understand that LGBT is not a desease and never was. Back when I was- nvm it is still currently, people in Indonesia still hate, disrespect the LGBT community even I was too. But now I understand that mocking and disrespecting the LGBT community will just bring more hate to me and it's wrong too to disrespect a community in my culture and religion. So in conclusion, I do not support LGBT but I still see them as human being, I don't want to disrespect nor mock them as long as they don't disturb my culture or religion (but it's actually the otherwise for my friends ngl lol).
@adrianwakeisland4710
2 жыл бұрын
How about we say WE DON'T SUPPORT INDONESIANS but we don't mock them coz indonesians are humans, are you feel offended as an indonesian when we tell you that WE DON'T SUPPORT INDONESIANS?
Hi. I'm Indonesian. I'm not part of the community, but I love and respect the LGBTQ community. Bye.
“There's nothing wrong with you. There's a lot wrong with the world you live in.” -Chris Colfer
@irfanmaulananasution
5 жыл бұрын
This quotes is dangerous. Most terrorrist do believe this
@dwiatas8106
5 жыл бұрын
Fixme kalo semua orang ngomong gini, berantakan dunia boss. Lo jadi bagian dari problem “there’s a lot wrong with the world you live in”
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
@@irfanmaulananasution I talk about being "ourself"here
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
@@arekmalang4501 it's scary when hatred can be contagious to people. They're sick!
@r3zaful
5 жыл бұрын
@@arekmalang4501 I'm actually sick too seeing religious heretic everywhere in Indo.
I don't agree with LGBT but i don't hate LGBT
@catgirl_ava
3 жыл бұрын
👍idc if u dont support us but as long as u respect
@adamantobserver8655
Жыл бұрын
Tf you are on about?
yes.. I am in a muslim school and my friends hates me because I respect and tolerate, let me repeat that for you. Respect and tolerate, not support the lgbt community. Like how homophobic can my friends be?
@narnia8121
25 күн бұрын
Haha same honestly
Bhinekka tunggal ika = Beraneka bersatu Tapi yg gw liat di Indonesia engga Ada yg kayak gitu,orang yg berbeda malah diasingkan
@madochikana9337
5 жыл бұрын
Yes true 😊
@maulanasakshena326
5 жыл бұрын
Itulah negara kita
@adamantobserver8655
5 жыл бұрын
Itu mah bukan beda lagi. Mereka sudah miring
@maulanasakshena326
5 жыл бұрын
@@adamantobserver8655 otakmu yg miring...yg ga bisa berpikir modern
@rianimb2822
3 жыл бұрын
@@maulanasakshena326 budaya kita gk bukan lgbt itu mah budaya barat
I met a lot of indonesian people that have an opinion like 'we dont really agree with LGBTQ community,but we dont hate them,let them be" and truthfully,these people are majority in indonesia especially in big cities BUT, they are silence. Unfortunately,the people that have narrow minded talk louder,so in the end these people look like they're representing a whole country,and maybe they succeded.
He suffers more than the corruptors who are clearly eating people‘s money and don‘t get hard punishments 🤷♀️
As an Indonesian my self, i never accept the consept of LGBT, not because the religion reason, but in realistic way, when whole country population is LGBT and don't having a child, It will decrease number of country population and the impact is we will faced low fertility like what happened in eruopean and east asian country, and at the end, the govt will imported some 3rd world country immigrant and considered what happened in europe caused by immigrant, i hate that gonna happen so i never accept the consept of LGBT
@okok-cx8lo
3 жыл бұрын
Lu pikir karena nerima komunitas lgbt populasi langsung nurun? realistis banget ya wkwkwk
@debudasatriawibawa9405
3 жыл бұрын
@@okok-cx8lo gue ga langsung bilang bakal ujug2 bakal menurun skrg juga, tapi gue bakal bilang bakal terjadi 40-50 tahun mendatang, untuk sekarang tren angka kelahiran Indonesia setiap tahun menunjukan angka penurunan, untuk sekarang mungkin bagus, tapi di masa depan gimana? 2060 populasi Indonesia diproyeksikan minus seperti yg skrg terjadi di negara dunia pertama kek Korea, Jepang atau Uni Eropa, kalau skrg LGBT dikasi tempat di Indonesia, di masa depan Indonesia bakal struggle buat naikin angka kelahiran biar stabil, trus endingnya apa? Ya lu tau sendiri import manusia dari negara² timur tengah atau Afrika
@okok-cx8lo
3 жыл бұрын
@@debudasatriawibawa9405 lu pikir negara yang lu sebut itu yang lu claim bakal mengurang populasi nya karena mereka nge legalin lgbt? Dan bukan karena kekurangan universal health care? Atau karena income inequality? Gak ush ngawur ngab
@debudasatriawibawa9405
3 жыл бұрын
@@okok-cx8lo kliatan gimana otak lu gagal nangkep omongan gue, di negara yg gue sebutin diatas justru punya sistem health care terbaik di dunia, yg gue bilang, negara tersebut udah struggle buat naikin jumlah kelahiran gara2 penduduknya ogah punya anak, malah legalin LGBT yg justru makin memperparah keadaan, gue ga bilang LGBT faktor utama, ngerti kaga sih lu? Endingnya mereka buka pintu imigrasi impor Manusia dari timur tengah & Afrika biar roda perekonomian bisa berjalan, tapi imigran malah buat rusuh disono
@debudasatriawibawa9405
3 жыл бұрын
@@okok-cx8lo bayangin negara lu ekonominya mulai mandek kekurangan tenaga kerja gara2 penduduk lu ogah punya anak, alih² nyari solusi malah legalin LGBT yg makin buat keadaan parah, negara lu endingnya mutusin buat impor imigran yg malah buat rusuh negara lu, Western Europe is doomed
When your Indonesian and bisexual: *I CAN RELATE SO MUCH WITH THIS-*
@Belochk4
3 жыл бұрын
Same dude especially if you're a muslim
@londonbridgefelloff
3 жыл бұрын
@@Belochk4 yeah :(
@Belochk4
3 жыл бұрын
@@londonbridgefelloff but i'm trans and also bi so my parents would hate me +1
@bhguaap._
3 жыл бұрын
Bisexual here 😭✋
@catgirl_ava
3 жыл бұрын
Bisex from ur neighbor malaysia here
Every country has their own values no country in this world is perfect ideal. We live in a sinful world... Blah blah blah (that's the fact that i believe) It is impossible to have LGBT rights here in Indonesia as we stand in godly values. Sadly, Our Lgbt brothers and sisters are treated extremely bad in this country which is contrary to the godly values itself. I don't agree on legalizing their rights but we should not treat them like an outcast. I dare not to say any solution to this matter (as this is a very complicated matter) what we can do to our brothers and sisters is accept them for who they are which does not always mean we agree on what they do. Just do our part to love not to judge.
@VansNFS
5 жыл бұрын
That is the wrong way. I'm agree to not treat them bad, not to make a distance from them but that because we need to educate them to not doing such that behavior to tell them what danger he brought to himself or to anyone else. accepting their behavior?, that is wrong thinking.
@gratias1602
5 жыл бұрын
@@VansNFS Please read my opinion carefully! Accept them for who they are is different from accept them for their behavior Yes, we can tell them from godly/religious perspective (as i believe when we remind one another when we take wrong paths it is how we show love) however, it depends on the person him/herself for whatever decision s/he makes we should respect that.
@VansNFS
5 жыл бұрын
@@gratias1602 respect what? Unacceptable behavior?, that kind of behavior doesn't need to respect but need to fix.
@gratias1602
5 жыл бұрын
@@VansNFS Huh wasting time
@VansNFS
5 жыл бұрын
@@gratias1602 yeah you right
i've always want to come to an lgbt event or at least part of a lgbt activity, but as time goes by, this certain community getting louder with their fear of lgbt (they are scary- and judgemntal), it seems like it will never happen-
"love is love" then "Water is water" Why don't you're not drink a closet water?
@adrianwakeisland4710
2 жыл бұрын
You are the closet water while lgbt are potable water.
@indmyblzzz
2 жыл бұрын
@@adrianwakeisland4710 I'm human not closet water, Anyway, smartest people know that closet water is not drinkable But the gah ppl is like anyone who drinks any water as long as it is water. Fix ur grammar or at least use formal language if u want to translate ur language into English L
@LovelyPenny2412
Жыл бұрын
Water cant be compare with love.
@indmyblzzz
Жыл бұрын
@@LovelyPenny2412 yes it is...
@starkidmercer
11 ай бұрын
@@indmyblzzzhow
NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS.
@haykalThimawan
5 жыл бұрын
Laknat kamu
@haykalThimawan
5 жыл бұрын
Cepat cepatlah bertaubat
@haykalThimawan
5 жыл бұрын
Sebelum nyawa mu di ujung tenggorokan mu!!!!!
@Kameroro2
5 жыл бұрын
@@haykalThimawan ngelaknatin orang sama nyuruh orang tobat juga ga akan bikin u auto masuk surga kok mas 🤦
@haykalThimawan
5 жыл бұрын
@@Kameroro2 oh ternyata saling mengingatkan tidak boleh 🤔
I come out little old when I 21 but I never date with a boy before at all even now I still don't have any attraction with man. I know who I am. I mom absolutely accept it and proud of me, the problem is just like this Indonesian don't accept lgbt people at all no future.one day human will get old and die I don't want wasting my life in country make me not happy and pressure. So my plan for my future is moving to a country more freedom and accepted LGBT country just like make a move that can make my life have amazing
@ataxwibisono8095
5 жыл бұрын
So.. Get out from Indonesia now.... Wkwkw
@intan421
5 жыл бұрын
aww that's nice, wish you all the best ❤️ happiness is what you deserve
@ataxwibisono8095
5 жыл бұрын
@@brokenvibes2360 I'm from Indonesia... Indonesia not legal for LGBT.... Of you don't agree about that... Simple so Get out from Indonesia...
@brokenvibes2360
5 жыл бұрын
@@ataxwibisono8095 gw jg orang Indonesia. Sebutin sini mana hukum yg menyatakan LGBT itu ilegal di sini! Di sini gak legal dan jg legal dan tidak dikriminalisasi jg! Negara ini gak pnya problem sm LGBT cm mindset masyrakatnya yg terbelakang dan kurang terdidik utk memperlakukan org berdasarkan orientasi seksualnya! Ignorant!
@ataxwibisono8095
5 жыл бұрын
@@brokenvibes2360 sini ane kasih solusi terbaik... Loe kasih nih video ke aparat penegak hukum supaya open minded.... Ane cuma rakyat biasa gk punya kekuatan apa2... Soalnya ane juga kasihan ada yang sampe ditangkap satpol PP sama di rukyah lagi.... Duit berlebih monggo tinggal yang negaranya aman... Contoh : Kanada... Ane bukan kontra cuma kasihan aja...
in Indonesia we have our own ideology and prespectives that keeps us on the track. In my opinion LGBT don't match with that ideology ,But it doesn't mean that we hate them , we just have different opinion on that issues. but again it's just my opinion ,take it easy.
@zaki4418
5 жыл бұрын
I assume the "ideology" you're talking is Pancasila, but in Pancasila, Chapter 5 it says "Keadilan Sosial Bagi Seluruh Rakyat Indonesia" which literally means Social Justice for All Indonesians, I don't think bashing, discriminating and banning LGBT is a Social Justice.
@winnersalim5373
5 жыл бұрын
Dont match with stupidity and ignorant .
@willnat1422
Жыл бұрын
@@zaki4418 but,LGBT is exactly against the sila #1. Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa. Indonesian lives a life based on religion. And..,for sure,LGBT could ruined "tatanan sosial" which is relating with sila #5
@willnat1422
Жыл бұрын
And...,don't shy and hesitate to speak loud the right things dude!.
Me a Muslim and Indonesian : i don't care what people say, is their opinion and they okay with it and they are not killing or anything, they are still humans
Homosexual are not criminals, if you say homosexuals are disgusting how pure are you guys? I am ashamed of my country, I think I want to be angry and I hate all this!! Homoseksual bukan sebuah kriminal dan jika Anda mengatakan homoseksual menjijikkan seberapa suci kalian? Aku malu sama negaraku, rasanya aku ingin marah dan aku benci akan semua ini
I might be very late.. But.. Bagus you ARE worthy ❤️ I'm proud of you. 🇲🇨🏳️🌈
@Jiddler
3 жыл бұрын
That is monaco flag
@ferchii13
3 жыл бұрын
🇮🇩
@hansel.2105
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jiddler Nope that's Indonesian
@Jiddler
2 жыл бұрын
@@hansel.2105 monaco
@hansel.2105
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jiddler Bilang Kalo Mau Pansos , HAhHahahahahahaah . Try better Bitj 🤣🤣😂😂
I personaly Disagree with this Whole LGBTQ+ Thing, But I still Respect Them as A Fellow human.
@innoillust
3 жыл бұрын
At least you still treat them as human
Indonesia is a country deeply tied with culture, tradition and religion. While not as extreme as some other countries that incorporate religious law above all, most people are not open-minded at all whether they want to admit it or not. Let's say, if someone converts to another religion or marries a person with a different ethnic group background, their family will snap, doesn't matter if that person is fully an adult or not. Of course, this is not the case with every Indonesian family out there, but yeah.
@MrD21678
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's because indonesia have a strong cultural background. And i think it'll be hard to change that...
@arifahmedkhan9999
Жыл бұрын
Converts? 💀 Shut up, that's called being a murtad. And we all know the punishment for that
It's okay to disagree. Just don't be rude. (Yeah I'm a straight Indon)
@messupd
5 жыл бұрын
@@bud384 lah kog- Gw orang indo 😂 Emang w peduli orang malay ngomong apa 💀💀
@bud384
5 жыл бұрын
Don't use Indon, it's derogatory, often used by Malaysians & Singaporeans to mock Indonesians because a lot of Indonesians go there to work as maids, low class workers, and manual workers, fancy ways to say "PEMBANTU"
@bud384
5 жыл бұрын
@@messupd terserah klo masih mau pake kata "Indon" sya cuma ngasih tau klo itu punya konotasi buruk..
HARAM. Just kidding pls dont send hate btw Im from Indonesia
@mamu9728
2 жыл бұрын
At this point of debates and hate, a joke is what I need rn.