Well done sir! Very clear in depth instruction rarely seen these days. I'd say you're a natural teacher.

@DangarMarine

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Todd, glad you liked it.

You are a very good teacher Stu. My 11 yr old grandson understands every word you say. Thank you for the experience!

@randyrenault1992

7 жыл бұрын

so cool to see that your 11 yr old son is interested in tech , as most are to interested in vid games , cheers your doing somthing right m8 . guys like Stu are getting fewer and fewer , my father had me in the machine shop helping when i was 9 yrs old ,

@PorkBarrel.

7 жыл бұрын

I have a machine shop and he is better than me on some things. I think you have to invest time for it to work. I'm very thankful for people like Stu who are willing to share their knowledge without being boastful, someone you want to follow.

@randyrenault1992

7 жыл бұрын

i agree John its the best boat repair site that is available and Stu is very talented and interesting to watch and listen, down to earth dude . cheers all the best

GREAT VIDEO !!! My BF50A had allot of valve tapping... I used this video to adjust valve clearances and it runs like new. Quiet and just purs like a kitten. Thanks Again!

@DangarMarine

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, glad the vid helped you get your honda purring again. :)

Love the 4 stroke videos, will like to see more of it. Including description on external components like ECM, sensors and a bit into the electrical stuff. Thank you

Thank you Stu for your kindness in sharing your endless wealth of knowledge.

I swear you are my Honda BF40 Jesus, right now. I am looking at doing all the routine maintenance (heavier stuff) like the belt, timing, compression, lifter service and so on, and you have all the videos I need. Thank you thank you thank you thank you!

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

You're welcome Eric. I still hope to do a timing belt video on that motor soon.

@ericneusiis404

7 жыл бұрын

Dangar Marine what year is your motor btw?

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

2004

Great video, I'll have to check the valve clearance on my Honda 60 in the future and this video was very educational since I've never done it before. Thanks.

Dude! I hope you are a teacher. It's such a pleasure to listen to you, I guess even a chimp could adjust valves after watching your video. Same for your carburetor vid. Thanks a lot.

You have been on here so long you help me so much i wish I could gave and help you more what we do without people like you we where just lost thank you soooooo muchhhhhh love John.

Thanks Stu. I did my 50 Honda six months ago. It's reassuring to see I did it correctly. Looking fwd to the belt change. Mine was easier than the workshop lead me to believe.

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks William. Yep, belt changes aren't too bad. There are a few finer points but definitely something you can DIY if you are careful.

Thanks for the instruction, really clear and helped me a lot with my little outboard motor.

Great lesson Stu. Another video full of good tips and knowledge. I don't own a four stroke outboard, but who knows what the future could bring!

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jack, this process is the same for plenty of different types four stroke motors (other that outboards) so always worth knowing!

Big up Danger Marine. Your video are super helpful. I’m a yammy Tech out here in Atlanta . Thanks for all your hard work and knowledge. Mike.

@DangarMarine

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael, glad you liked it!

Absurdly amazing vids. Thanks for the lesson, All I need now is my 25 bf service manual

@DangarMarine

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate.

Thank you, very helpful! I have a 2009 Honda 50 with water in the oil. Hoping it is just a head gasket but might need to do a valve job. Great Video!

As usual, outstanding video. Thanks for your time.

Your told it’s a poking facilities device but it’s just a stick. OMG. Stu that’s priceless. Keep em Colin bud !!!

Thanks-really clear instructions

@DangarMarine

Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped. :)

another great production thx Stu , i like the melo yellow glasses at the intro , cheers thx for sharing m8

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed. :)

We used to describe it this way: It should feel like a little bit of "sucking". Good to have some oil resting on the metal. Additionally it won't hurt to try the next bigger and next smaller size of gauges if you are not sure. If one of these fits, too, you have to check again. Especially with the exhaust valves where temperature is critically.

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

I like the idea of trying one up and one down to compare the feel, that's a good tip.

As always, very helpful!

You're the man!

Another great vid Stu. Love the appearance of PPE at the start 😉. Look forward to seeing a vid about the bimini for the Green Machine as I need to do some work the battered one on my boat. Cheers PB

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, should be filming the bimini today with any luck.

Nice work Stu!

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Will!

Another very educational video thank you

very good video thank you

Great info. Will come in handy. Peace and be safe out there.

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate!

Thanks man! Great video!

Another great chapter mate... I must say it was great to see you wearing safety glasses during the intro. You never know what could go wrong before you get the puller out hehehe

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark, you never can be too safe! ;)

Thank you very much. You helped me.

Great video, just what I needed, thanks

Ah brings back a story to share. I had a 65 VW that fire burned up the side of one of the plugs and ruined the head. I also had a 68 VW bus that the crank broke. I took both heads off and put them on the bug. Went to start it and the rockers all were too tight and stopped turning the key since there was no compression with all the valves open. no damage so gave up and went back in the house to think. Then got an idea💡. I went back out and got a hand full of washers and raise all the rocker assemblies up and set all the gaps per spec. It worked and there was allot of🍺 to celebrate. my brother bought it and ran great for years before he sold it still with my washers on it. Moral of the story once a hack always a hack. haha

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Nice work Tim. In modern hydraulic lifters shimming is the only way to adjust them. You were ahead of your time! ;)

Great video mate

@DangarMarine

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

you good buddy, really easy to understand. keep up the good work,

Awesome video thanks

The beer after the work is done is the most important step!

Excellent!

love these videos!

very helpful video! and I had a few chuckles too! I presume that valves wear with use, so I have difficulty imagining that they get tighter on their own unless someone misadjusted them.

i acutually had valve clearance as one of the tasks for my final exam, and got the best grade(6) it was on a 6 cylinder deutz diesel engine.

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Nice, well done! :)

G day mate great video very well explained and it is good to see you enjoying another of the series of the finest brew known to mankind sold all over the world ,walked into a supermarket in bangkok and there it was . Valve clearance can be daugnting to the newcomer but do it a few times and no problems as long as you don't get the gauges mixed up . your explanations are spot on you should do a series of cds and flog em i rekon they would go like hot cakes again great video .

@DangarMarine

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, glad you liked it! :)

@HarleyRog

5 жыл бұрын

CD-ROM drives are not found on most computers now as they are going the same way as floppy drives. Most information is on line for free, and can be downloaded to keep. A cheap flash drive will hold many times the volume of information and is a tenth of the size.

Sru, The valve clearance is to offset the effects of thermal & mechanical distortion! Cheers Bill from, Bundaberg.

@DangarMarine

6 жыл бұрын

Yep, it is. If they start tight then by the time the engine warms up they won't close properly and will burn up.

very well explained

great, thank you

Very nice video Thanks you

You want to feel a slight drag when using feeler gauges.Good video mate.

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate.

Very well done Mate; You make it look so easy. Think you will make a video on mixing gas and oil in an easy to understand way. I get confused 50:1 or 32:1 mix. Thanks !!!. for your hard work.

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed the vid. I prefer to run a 41.6:1 mix myself. ;)

@ronpowell2373

7 жыл бұрын

50:1 is easy, in litres. What ever you put in the tank, in litres, double it, add a zero and put that many millilitres of oil in the fuel. So 25L of petrol x 2 = 50 = 500mL of oil. For 25:1 you multiply x 4 25L of petrol x 4= 100 = 1000Ml of oil ( 1l) For 32:1 you multiply by 3 25L x 3 =75 = 750mL of oil.

@ronpowell2373

6 жыл бұрын

easy as Stu - just use the devils number!25L x 1.6666666666 + 0= 466mLs

Beer for getting the job done, Sailor Jerry for when shit hits the fan.

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

All bases covered!

Superbly thorough, perfect visuals. This is the default video on this subject. Where do you find accurate manuals? Are you an authorized dealer of every brand with access to their tech web sites? Do you recommend any public websites or generic manuals? Please do a video on finding specifications.

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bruce, I have for some time been thinking of doing a video on tracking down information, I should do that one sooner rather than later. I usually look to readmanual.com or tradebit.com to find PDF manuals I can download.

Great video Stu! When checking the clearances, do you use a feeler gauge that corresponds to the upper or lower limit of the spec range, or do you split the difference?

@DangarMarine

4 жыл бұрын

That's a really good question. I would generally go as close to the middle of the range as I could

My Honda 30BF (2006) manuel says: To avoid water pump impeller damage, Always turn the crankshaft in a CLOCKWISE direction. In your video you shows counterclockwise...........so what is richt? Thank you for all your educational explanes!

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

I wonder if there is a difference between the 30HP and this being a 40HP. If the flywheel has notches for a rope to emergency start the motor you can use those to show you which way your motor rotates.

@paulbouquet8427

7 жыл бұрын

I removed de black plastic cover. The flywheel shows an Arrow in clockwise direction. My Honda 30 BF (2006) is operating in the Netherlands.

@firefalcon100

6 жыл бұрын

i have a 2007 honda 15HP i am rebuilding and the flywheel and the shop manual both say it goes clockwise. strange.

@69yenko65

6 жыл бұрын

Paul Bouquet Didn't you know that where he lives the water flushes opposite direction down the toilet, same with engines they turn opposite directions 😅

Actually I never ever wanted to set a foot on australia... because of all the snackes and spiders and flying boomrangs.... But after watching a couple of your videos I officially declare that the "australian" way of being relaxed and doing things easy and explaining things in a very cool way ... I guess I book a ticket one day.

Thank you so very much. I adjusted my valves on my Honda 50 and I found... wow way too tight! I adjusted to what I thought was correct. Engine then ran awful and sounded "clacky" horrible idle and was cutting out at planing speed. Problem: I adjusted the mm clearance to inches! Way too loose. Be careful out there, read the manual and Pay Attention! .. or maybe I'm the only dumbass alive. Thanks for great vid. Oh well time for another beer.

@DangarMarine

4 жыл бұрын

You wouldn't be the first to get caught up in imperial / metric confusion!

Another mystery demystified. Good one Stu. ps. You correctly said it's not rocket science.............It is Rocker Science Haha !

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Boom tish! Love your work. ;)

Nice video on a Honda. Setting the carbs to a vacuum mate to balance the carbs would make a great video

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Hi John, this video can a section on vacuum balancing kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKd8pa-DnrW_aaQ.html

Excellent video i am gonna try it in my BF30D. I got also the manuals. Another video request by me. Could you please show us how to change the two internal anodes in these BFs. Especially the one that is behind the carbs. Greetings from Greece!

@DangarMarine

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Christos. Yes, a vid on changing the internal anodes is long overdue!

Thanks to information

@DangarMarine

6 жыл бұрын

You're welcome Sijo.

I’ve adjusted valve clearance on a Honda Civic 4 cylinders. It’s fairly the same procedure.

Hi, great video, would this procedure be the same for all outboards or just Honda’s I have a 2001 mariner 4 stroke 50hp? Many thanks 👍

Ahhh the "green Machine" at last... was getting worried here ;) Is there an interval at which these valves should be adjusted or just when you hear them tap? Nice to see your boat.

Great vid stu. Do you have any experience with the BF150 valve clearances? We have 3 of them, and it's the only job I send the shops way...Cheers

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Hi Matt. Not directly, we only deal with small commuter boats here so nothing over about 60HP, but I can't see why it would be significantly different.

Awesome video ! do you know what the clearance spec is on a BF50? I’m guessing the same but I don’t have the manual

@DangarMarine

6 жыл бұрын

I don't have the manual for the 50 either but I would be surprised if they were different.

Hi Stu, Great videro,helped a lot. How can you tell that you have a burned valve?

Great vid Stu! What are you're thoughts on hydrofoils? Some people say its a scam and others swear by them. I don't have a problem planing with my 50 merc even with a heavy load, but would be interested if it really makes a difference. Maybe when you do the video you could time you're planing speed with and without hydrofoil. That would be another vid that im sure a lot of people would like to see real facts and not just people saying "It feels like it planes better". Keep up the good work bud!!!

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

I think it depends a lot on whether there is a problem to solve with either the hull shape or the height the engine is mounted. I don't really have much before and after experience with them so I'll be interested in doing a good comparison myself.

thanks for these interesting videos. could you provide some help to people away from US? I have a johnson seahorse 25 hp outboard of 1980 rope start. it is equipped with a flywheel of 74 tooth. I would like to upgrade it to a electric starter. I am confused with the starters available in the market as they have 9, 10 and 11 tooth pinions. how to solve this technical problem. what pinion fits the 74 tooth flywheel?

Lol I feel like the safety glasses at the beginning are nod to all the comments on the previous video.

Good vid, I would definately suggest a small amount of black silicone in the 4 corners of your valve cover gasket or there's a very good chance it'll leak

@DangarMarine

6 жыл бұрын

So far no leaks, but yes, they do call for RTV on many curved sections of valve cover gaskets, you are right. Normally it is more on sections that curve up away from the plane of the main gasket to go around the cam ends though.

Hi stu can you do a befor and after video on the hydro foil fins on the boat while its running . Ie: to see how much it lifts the back end out the water , hole shot timming and reduced drag .

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

For sure, that's my plan for the vid.

Ty

Hey Stu thanks for another great video guide. I've got a BF135 2006 with 400 hours here and just wondering does it need valve clearance adjustment yet? Honda states it should be done every 200 hours but I've heard it can be done every 600 to even 1000 hours? Cheers

@DangarMarine

5 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't stress too much unless you can hear a lot of valve train noise (a sort of clattery sound)

Man, I wish you would do one with a bucket shim valve system. There is no good instruction on the interwebs explaining how to do this on a suzuki or Yamaha outboard.

@DangarMarine

3 жыл бұрын

Will do one soon.

Just a quick question, when you're torqueing the lock nuts, how do you prevent the grub screws from rotating? Obviously cant get a screwdriver on them when using a torque wrench. Many thanks

can you do a video on which outboards you have found to be the most reliable as in best built motors? im looking at a boat with a 2002 mercury EFI 200 outboard, its a little corroded on the lower unit, looks like it has been sitting in the water for quite some time. thanks

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

It's a little bit hard to compare, as I've seen outboards of all models fail young and last forever. It seems to more come down to how well they have been maintained and a bit of luck too!

@sniping12

7 жыл бұрын

thanks for the reply mate, i will be looking farther into the service history of this motor.

Hi Stu, I appreciate your videos, thanks! I'm trying to fix an issue that I caused on my Yamaha F40 outboard (4-stroke). It's already cost me $800 to the Yamaha dealer who thought that cleaned the carbs was the problem but I was sure it wasn't. Retuned the engine no better off. What happened was, in a momentary lapse of reason, or due to lack of experience, I cranked the engine with the timing belt off. I know .. I found out later this is a big no-no. Do you know what problems does could have caused? After doing this the engine starts and runs okay, but has about 80 per-cent of power at full throttle and sounds quite ragged and noisy. From what I understand I might have bent a valve or something. Any help or suggestions you can give me would be appreciated.

@DangarMarine

Жыл бұрын

Hi Russell, yes, bent valves is common as some of the valves will be open and therefore hit this piston. I would take the head off and check all the valves. The easiest thing is probably give it to a machine shop and get them to resuface it and grind the valve seats at the same time. It will be better than it was before the accident if you get that done.

What does it mean if I have my settings to t1 tappets have play like in your video however cylinder 2 intake has play too but the exhaust valve doesn’t move. Cylinder 3 intake is tight and the exhaust side has play. Also I can move the crankshaft by hand is this ok(I have carbs off too)? Thanks

Hey mate thank you so much for all the knowledge you sharing I would like to ask you a question. Can i use the carbs from a 150hp two stroke jonhson on a 115 hp same year. Would that cause a problem on the smaller engine??

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if they are the same, but if they are the same part number you will probably find you need to put smaller jets in to keep the air / fuel ratio correct.

@HarleyRog

5 жыл бұрын

For newer readers like myself, it's worth noting that if the carb intake diameter is too big the air velocity could be too slow and not suck out enough petrol, too small and you can't run at full speed as the engine will be throttled

I think my Yamaha fourstroke 115 also need to check about those valve clearance because it had been 1400 hours now. By the manual said to be adjust every 1000 hours as I remember. But it was a DOHC beside of SOHC shown in this video. I am not mechanic but just learn so much in your video, is that any tips about fine tuning the DOHC engine valve clearance? Or just need to look clear about those intake and exhaust direction and then good to follow your instructions? Thanks!

@DangarMarine

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Jerry, yes, you just need to determine the exhaust and intake sides and follow the same procedure.

If timing marks are not available securing a micrometer through the spark plug opening and watching to see when the deflection of the needle stops moving and then starts to move the other way is a good way to determine TDC.

@ronpowell2373

7 жыл бұрын

With 4 strokes as long as the piston is TDC (shine a torch through the spark plug hole, watch the piston. when it stops moving up or down, its close enough, 5 degrees either side makes no difference) the rockers will be on the back of the cam and the gaps can be set.

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Yep, it's good to have some of these techniques up your sleeve as plenty of motors don't have good timing marks unfortunately.

thanks for the video, I have a question about some silicone that may or may not be missing around the bottom of the oil pan and the gear case. Should it be completely around? It seems like there is none around the front portion, my engine has 607 hours and is used in salt water only.

@DangarMarine

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, I would expect the oil pan to be sealed completely unless one section presses against a rubber gasket or something.

@watsoncali25

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I actually pulled off the other side of plastic and it is not sealed there either, so I think I'm okay. I like your videos and will look forward to seeing more Honda 4-stroke videos

can you give us examples that would lead to identification of a burnt valve that would lead to inspecting the valve clearance for possible cuprite, thanks for all your videos.

Pressed Play... Saw the PPE Glasses and thought Ohh No, He is throwing bolts around again.... OK, Time to press play and see what happens :P

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Its like an old western around here with the ricochet sound track. ;)

1998 evinrude 70hp four stroke u know if they need valve adjustment or u can’t cause they use shims?

Hi Stu. Do the new Mercury efi 4 strokes need their valves adjusted?

@DangarMarine

5 жыл бұрын

Not sure. The really new motors may have hydraulic lifters like cars have an not need adjusting. The service schedule should say.

Question for you , could this be why my engine isn’t keeping the ball hard and pauses on take off, I have replaced the fuel and have been running sea foam very frequently. It runs great but o have to pump the ball constantly, any ideas for this 2009 BF50 in board tank ?

@DangarMarine

3 жыл бұрын

No, sounds more like a failed fuel pump.

Would you prefer to be at the big or small end of the range given? Does it change intake vs exhaust?

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Bigger is better than smaller. If the gap is too small the valves won't close properly and you can lose compression and burnt up the valves.

@gregdickey8250

6 жыл бұрын

Dangar Marine hi Sit, love your videos. Any idea why my 1982 90 HP Evinrude will run with muffs on but when in lake & put in gear it quits?

@HarleyRog

5 жыл бұрын

Exhaust valves have hot gasses and flames around them whereas intakes have cooling petrol round so they run cooler hence the bigger exhaust gap

Do you have a video for a 2023 Suzuki df 75 valve adjustment and clearances Thanks Robbie

Arh Can we add more beer holders also please ;-)

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

I like your thinking!

Yeh, my Tee-shirt has arrived. Now I just need a Coopers and a camera

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Nice one! Looking forward to getting your photo. :)

What videos I've seen are engine repairs, have you done any small fiberglass repair videos?

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

No, no fibreglass repair videos yet but planning to do one before too much longer.

Hey. Please can you tell me the valve clearance for suzuki DF2,5hp 2017 and if the engine must be hot or cold. Thank you Nik from Greece.

@DangarMarine

3 жыл бұрын

Don't know sorry, if you search for the PDF service manual online you will find them.

Hi from Sweden i really like your videos they are educational. i have a older 2 stroke suzuki 20 hp. When i pull the starter rope it starts revs up 15 sec then dies. The petrol pump pumps petrol to the carburetor and i have sparks on both sparkspluggs what can the problem be ? Sincerely zibbe1000

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Could be that it is lean. Does it have a choke that is on? Are the carburettors clean? If that is all good then I would start to look at the reed valves as well.

Hi Stu, suggestion for you. One is how to transport a old 2 stroke kicker motor in a car and be able to start it with a dry carburetor? Seems to be an issue with my son's merc even after pumping up the fuel ball but finally starts after many pulls. The choke works fine once the carb has fuel in it.

@DangarMarine

6 жыл бұрын

That sounds a bit strange. Once you prime it up with the bulb the carb bowl should be full and ready to go. Is the needle and seat sticking maybe?

@TimsWorkshopTJY

6 жыл бұрын

Had it all apart and checked it. I test started it everyday it was here and started right up. But after he puts it in his trunk and puts it on his boat has trouble starting it. Twice now this has happened? It's a strange one for sure. 1969 carburetor so it's a antique.

Hi, have you maybe some suggestion on how to detect the TDC for each cylinder on Yamaha Fxx engines?

@DangarMarine

4 жыл бұрын

It is generally the same for all four stroke engines so you'll be able to find some good vids on it, but the basic idea is to make sure the piston is pushing air out the spark plug hole so you know it is on the compression stroke not the exhaust stroke and then put a straw or something in the spark plug hole so you can see when the piston is at the top of it's travel.

Do you have to drain the oil - I didn't see you do that - is the oil lower in the engine thanx mate !!

@DangarMarine

6 жыл бұрын

No, all the oil will drain from the rocker cover down into the sump soon after the motor is switched off.

I'm looking to buy a 40 hp 4 stroke outboard. I'm torn between the honda or Yamaha, you're the expert to ask which one is better?

@DangarMarine

6 жыл бұрын

There isn't much in it these days. I think it comes down to which has better support locally in your area. Look for a dealer that is going to stand by their product and go that way.

Hi sir. It is posible to make a mouie instaling a power trim on a 40hp Honda 4 stroke ? I am interested in electric sistem.. I bought the trim but I don't know the wayering

Q. What’s brown and sticky? A. A poking facilitation device.

Pardon me,because I am not well in English.I have a doubt about my40hp Yamaha outboard engine four stroke.I found engine oil out at third cylinder.so what is the cause of.please kindly advise me.thank you.

@DangarMarine

5 жыл бұрын

Oil in cylinders is generally a blown head gasket is 4 stroke or a cylinder not firing if 2 stroke.

hey whats up RYAN here from Trinidad and Tobago i have a problem on my yamaha 85 hp it wont idle down an i think the timing is off have you any specs for that engine and how can i adjust the idle

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Hi Ryan. Sounds like you are on the money if the carburettors are closed all the way and the idle is still too high. It is either going to be a vacuum leak the timing too advanced. Not sure what it should be set to, but I'd put a light on it now and see what it is then move it closer to TDC (presuming it isn't already ATDC) and see how the idle sounds.

Oh I want to order a shirt. How do I get one ordered to the states and shipping cost?

@markolav7017

7 жыл бұрын

the shirts are produced in the states so should be fine. Stu posted a link in earlier videos ..I'm sure he will re-post for you here. Great shirts. I wear mine quite often

@TimsWorkshopTJY

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@DangarMarine

7 жыл бұрын

Link is in the description of each video, and yes they are printing in the US so you get them faster then we do! Prices are in Australian dollars so they are cheaper than they seem.

@TimsWorkshopTJY

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks