This has honestly been such a refreshing conversation. Literally was able to relate to every story. Thank you so much for this. I love it. God bless!!

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sam, Glad you enjoyed it!

its interesting how people say their faith was almost ruined by pentecostal churches, but my faith was almost ruined by cessationism. Just shows that no matter what side of the spectrum its on, there is true damage that can be done.

@benburrow5028

7 ай бұрын

Why is speaking in tongues so important? I’m legitimately curious. Why do people want this so much? I’m speaking of the charismatic speaking in tongues idea not languages as we see in scripture. Let me know thanks

@judithmiller7308

3 ай бұрын

​@@benburrow5028Science has concluded that praying in tongues actually increases our immune system. The bible says to pray in the spirit,,referring to our own personal prayer language, to build up our own spirits. I was taught by some late great Christian patriarchs that the gifts of the Spirit are always around us, but, we are like a radio receiver. If we aren't charged up in our spirit, we don't perceive them. I function in the revelatory gifts, a word of wisdom, or, a word of knowledge, and discernment. The appearance or knowing of any gifts of the Spirit is manifested to each person in a different way. I've only met 2 other people worldwide who receive the gifts the same way I do.

" I pray for thirty hours a day" " I don't think that's possible.." 😂😂😂

I'm a 64 year old Pentecostal/ charismatic pastor from South Africa and I must say that these young people have such a balanced view and mirrors my experiences almost exactly 💯 Such a blessing Just to add these views will fall on kine with the vast majority of smaller Pentecostal churches in Africa Unfortunately only the larger, not so healthy churches get all the publicity 😕

@michaelmiller5024

3 жыл бұрын

Love South Africa and can’t wait to get back after all this Covid business!

CRACKIN UP @ secret reveal: Mike: “Do you do crack?!” Fiancé: “No it’s worse. I speak in tongues.” 😂🤣

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@slatham8616

3 жыл бұрын

Lololololol

I was Methodist and got a little booklet on the Holy Spirit. I never even heard of tongues. Ever. Knelt and received. I had to go to the store where I got the booklet to ask if there was a church that believed this stuff. The clerk laughed and listed several churches. I never looked back. That was in ‘74.

🤣😂 Sounds like chocolate milk!! I wanted to share that in highschool after being baptized and growing up in the church, I was depressed and growing through thoughts of suicide for multiple reasons. I remember praying very fervently and frequently for God to show me himself supernaturally through healing my thoughts and perspective of life. One Sunday, I humbly walked up to the alter for prayer of repentance. This was strange for a consistent member of the church to do and I battled internally until I got to the alter. I don't remember the prayer, all I know from my end was that I was fully repentant, sincere and desired God. In that moment, I experienced trembling throughout my body. This feeling followed me home. I laid on my bed, confused about what was happening but so happy to have felt God in this way and to have found freedom from the things I was battling. Every Sunday after that for about 2 months I was feeling His presence more in Worship services. And I wasn't "slain" in the spirit, but it almost felt like I was gently being moved to my knees, head bowed in Worship. Thanks for the video and book recommendations!!!!

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Wow this is so cool. Thank you for sharing the testimony!

I was delivered from medical depression at conversion. Through total surrender! 15 years later through the laying on of hands I was healed from emotional trauma and set free from insomnia. And filled with the Spirit. Then survived somehow charismatic chaos. You guys are awesome!

Saved in a homeless shelter (was a junkie that became clean in a single visit from the Holy Spirit), led to a charismatic fellowship that collapsed after 7 years, led to a reformed fellowship and stayed 12/13 years (including lockdown Zoom meetings). I have love for both, though the latter were not cessationist - they just walked as if they were - yet the emphasis on sound exegesis and the centrality of the cross helped heal the fire damage from my first fellowship. I did dry up in that second fellowship as nobody outside the leadership was trusted to be able to operate in the gifts of the Spirit whilst they themselves did not operate in them despite believing in them theologically speaking. Their teaching was edifying and I did grow whist there. Out of fellowship for 1 year because I could not stand with a fellowship who - when tested - slammed the doors shut in obedience to the government. Not an unforgivable sin but certainly a reflection of where their hearts were really at in regards to trusting God. I started watching this show a month or so ago, got back into fellowship (elsewhere) after somebody said something that convicted me. So I thank God for this show, also.

I’ve been in a reformed sensationalist church for about 10 years after around the 4th year I was craving God in a deeper deeper way without knowing my spirit was just thirsting for Gods power I would tell my husband but he loves our church and very slowly I was going back into the world to a point in my life I was very depressed and hopeless, also drinking this past year , I didn’t not recognize myself (I’m not a drinker )I always prayed asking God how did I come this far , one day God delivered me and filled me with his spirit nothing I’ve ever felt before I was filled with love , kindness , self control , mental clarity , He removed the desire to drink, my depression gone , and a desire to serve Gods people .. I love this podcast because this is the middle ground I need . Praise God!!!

The stories of your answered prayers to find a spiritual mentor really got to me. I’ve never been discipled and have been praying for a mentor for years without success. I’m encouraged that someone might still be out there for me like Jack was for y’all!

@destroyingfear777

3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow I will be praying for you that the right Spiritual Father will come into your life by the Glory of God to help you and guide you and to teach you.

Very balanced guys! It’s funny how when we’re raised in a more “reserved” church setting that brings biases against charismatics and then end up in a charismatic setting that debunks those biases, how you learn how to discern more of what’s Biblical and what is not. I will say the “reserved” setting helped me love the Scriptures and I have that same love still today! Grateful for you guys!

@nickspitzley8539

3 жыл бұрын

And the charismatic churches don't have bias against the reserved churches? Just the fact you put reserved in "quotations" shows the bias.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Supper encouraging Kim. Thanks for the comment. Blessings.

Such a great conversation. Thank you Remnant Radio for what you do. As a continuationist these convos are so important for edification, clarity and understanding.

I’m not even a few minutes in but I’m excited for this episode. I grew up in a church heavy in Oneness Pentecostal roots and practicing it heavily. Gifts, miracles, move of the Spirit , everything on the list. I love the atmosphere but being raised by a more evangelical theologian father caused me to become so much more curios about what is true and not true. I felt my church overemphasized the gifts over the “gift giver” (Jesus). My whole world got rocked when I got the opportunity to lead a youth group in a nearby church that’s full on evangelical/Baptist. It was major culture shock for me! Haha. I didn’t knew a church existed where move of the spirit and tongues was not emphasized. My goal is to live a spirit filled life partnered with the proper theology of a well informed evangelical background.

Gentlemen, I’m somewhat late to this video, but wanted to say how much I appreciated all of your honest and open stories. Spoke so much to me, and very helpful as to where I am at right now. Looks like you have lots of other excellent videos for me to watch and learn from. I am currently in a somewhat spiritually dry desert, which strangely corresponds to where I am currently living in the Middle East, but best I don’t say exactly where. Appreciate very much your work. God bless. Jon

Really good guys! Very refreshing to hear what I believe to be solid teaching on the gifts of the Holy Spirit 🙌 Thanks and be blessed!

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it Sean!

This was excellent, humbling.....

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I am Glad you liked it!

Thanks for sharing, Josh!! I really appreciate that!

I'm so thankful I came across this channel and video. As someone recently wrestling with cessationism, this conversation has brought a ton of insight for me!

I believe Michael with the crying was being delivered from the bad and being cleansed.

So excited you all created this show! Looking forward to joining on Wednesdays.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Emilie! We knew we had to! So many people are looking for balanced answers, and there is just not that much on youtube. We want to help in any way we can. Let us know if there is something specific you would like us to address.

Hey Josh, thanks for taking that step of faith and making this show happen along with your team. It has been a blessing and encouraging for the glory of God. God bless

I got introduced to you guys about 2-3 months ago. I just have been so blessed hearing from y’all. Currently praying through to get mentored.I have so much passion for God and people. Thank you for all that you do!

This was so good and helpful!! Appreciate what you guys are doing.

Absolutely brilliant. Blessings from Stornoway, Isle of Lewis in Scotland

The thing that gives me caution is people seeking the manifestation of the Spirit rather than the Spirit itself. I believe there is much to be said about this, now that we have the word the Spirit was gifting to those in the first church age..

ahh I must catch this live next time! you guys, you have a new superfan. I am soo thankful for the Lord leading me to this ministry as you have been discussing a lot of issues that I've been wrestling with lately. I found you guys after looking for Sam Storms interviews cause he is my hero :) Love from Thunder Bay, Canada. Maranatha!

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah Sam is the best! He is my number one recommendation for those looking to grow a theologically robust foundation for the gifts of the Spirit! Glad you like the show! Blessings Rachelle!

@rachellebaetz8217

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRemnantRadio thanks for sharing your testimonies on this topic.. it's really interesting too see how God has been working in your lives and how He brought you all together! personal story time: I come from a cessationist background having been raised in a Baptist church. I guess I was aware that some denominations practiced the miraculous gifts but I questioned its legitimacy because of my church's emphasis on the inerrancy and completeness of the Bible. Much like you guys talked about here, there was a suspicion surrounding personal revelation because they believe the Bible has everything we need to live life in God's will/ God told us what we need to know, or that the miraculous gifts were simply given to help launch the church. But as I grew in Christ I longed for more of an outpouring of the Spirit. I began to see the beauty of these gifts, being exposed to people who use them and after doing my own research on the topic. This channel has greatly helped me grow in understanding. It's challenging though because a lot of prophetic words, visions, or dreams that I've been hearing are concerning the "rapture" or 7 year tribulation (or Trump's second term 😬) and doesn't necessarily line up with what I believe the Bible is saying regarding these matters. Anyway, you guys have helped me discern these things much better and I am eternally thankful ☺️

@slatham8616

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRemnantRadio Going through his beginner's guide to spiritual gifts right now with a friend! I also sent your video with Dr. Storms on gifts of the Spirit to a cessationist friend and it gave him a lot to think about. Love your work!

Appreciate your balanced view for much of this. Blessings.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro.

Very good! Look forward to more Wednesdays.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

More to come! Thanks for the Support Kim

Wish this would’ve been my introduction to y’all because I can totally relate to each of your stories. God bless!

I’m so glad I found this. I have friends that brought me to Christ that go to a pretty charismatic church . I have attended their church a few times but there was so much I didn’t understand. I regularly attend a church where the board don’t really seem to understand or be open to moves of the Holy Spirit or spiritual gifts. I am somewhere in between. I have identified that I have a prophetic gift but I struggle to find ways to learn and grow in it because I don’t know anyone else who experiences the things that I do. My charismatic friends have this appearance of being righteous. They speak in tongues, they are prophetic but there’s something happening there that I know is not quite right but I can’t put my finger on it. It’s all quite frustrating for me.

Appreciate these conversations. Love and looking forward with Augustine's view done some great research on church history and manifestations of the Spirit.

I learned so much in this podcast! I grew up in cessationism, and then sought God for more, had massive encounters, and was led by God to a charismatic church which I LOVE, but realizing I’m suffering from revival burnout 😢

WOW!! Awesome testimonies very edifying loved it. Love your content.

This video was great. You guys totally hit a niche. So many people in chat where asking really good, sincere questions. If only y'all could put out a video n the gifts , like, 5 days a week Keep fightng the good fight! :D

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks BJ, Great suggestion! Remnant would have to bring in more views, Subbs, and Patoners before we could go 5 days a week.

Thank you for this topic. I have just discovered your station and after 40 years of being a Christian and attending churches focusing on theology, I am just now believing that I can have a gift of the Holy Spirit also. I just never learned about receiving the gifts and I've been missing so much as I start to hear these discussions. I'm praying I too will receive gifts. Not to flex but to give glory to God.

This conversation was so good and on time for the season I’m currently in. I really relate to wanting/needing that balance of a Bible based church who properly operate in the gifts of the spirit. Some churches can be very chaotic and others are orderly and don’t give the spirit time to do anything just rush through service to be on time to get out of service. But, I liked the suggestion of small groups to work on spiritual gifts... although I’m not sure of how to “work” on them exactly I shall research, read and pray on that.

Thanks for sharing guys-I too, am trying to pursue the gifts of the spirits more… seems praying is the driving engine behind the pursuit.

Josh thank you for sharing your encounter. Plz don’t hold back sharing because we need to know. Authentic

It's been fun to see how much this show has grown since this episode

Great broadcast! I enjoyed every moment and I believe God used this to remind me to “earnestly desire spiritual gifts” again.

This was excellent. I can relate to Josh's experience and have been wanting to know more about the Gifts Biblically. I have always been a continualist, but when I experienced the hypercharasmatic movement, I was taken aback and wanted to know if continualism was Biblical. I will Patreon you guys! :)

Good discussion. Testimonies are so special

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Meggy Glad you like them

I was "church-burned"...twice! Thanks for doing this; healing thru listening to expository teaching from Scripture, love for The Lord, & an understanding of my own personal underdeveloped naivety is being used in providing a path out.

thank you for this.

such a good and important video!

God bless and keep you, brothers. Thank you for your work in sharing your testimonies with how God has worked through His Holy Spirit in your lives. I am working as a missionary in Latin America. I encourage you to dialog with other cultures like African brothers about this topic. These doubts about God being visibly active today are everywhere but God´s activity seems more obvious to those in cultures that are (unlike US and European cultures) more aware of and open to ¨supernatural¨ activity of the spiritual realm. An outsider can often have insights that we overlook. An aside, I would like to see a show on the fruit of the Spirit.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. I appreciate the encouragement Chris. This may be something we attempt in the future. God Bless Bro

This...is therapy!

This is scratching SO many itches of mine. Thank you

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Glad we could help Bry! Let us know if there is anything specifically you would like us to tackle.

@burtonsnow845

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRemnantRadio had a question but I finished the video and it pretty much got answered! Consider another itch scratched 😂 I do have another less personal question: What is your guys’ take on prophetic workshops? Like how are we to be zealously pursuing the prophetic without wrongly claiming a gift that God may not be giving to us? I personally want to do allllll the workshops, but should I wait for God to show me that He has given me this gift of prophecy so that I’m not acting on some presumptuous sin?

Thank you

Sounds like a combination of deliverance and being filled with the spirit to me!

Great episode

56:06 great balanced testimony. Coming from a new age cult and finding Jesus I felt this on a deep level.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Praise God Grade Zero. I'm so thankful God has rescued you out of deception. Going from new age into the gifts is not something many can do out of fear of being deceived again. Have you checked out my buddy Steven Bancarz? That dude has lots of apologetic stuff about New Age Ministry

@funnycatvideos1848

3 жыл бұрын

I love Steven Bancarz, and am a fellow Canadian. It is hard to find resources for leaving a new age cult (20 years of my life!) to follow Jesus and I have found your channel as well as Steven’s interviews very comforting and also mind blowing. I listen to your channel and Stevens to replace all the new age brainwashing in my head, and there is a lot to replace! Thank you for your videos, it’s hard to really express how much they have helped me. 😭❤️🙏🏻

@funnycatvideos1848

3 жыл бұрын

I’m not at the gifts stage yet, you’re right I’m too concerned about being deceived. Im in the deprogramming and establishing a biblical base stage. Praise God. And yeah grade zero isn’t my real name lol.

@michaelmiller5024

3 жыл бұрын

@@funnycatvideos1848 Thanks for the encouraging comments. Steven has helped a great deal for me to understand what the New Age is and what it must be like to come from that background. I can appreciate the process you are in and hope it results in a great degree of redemption for you and yours.

You have to share these experiences!!! We need to silence the voice of doubt and unbelief!!! Testimonies!!!

Amazing point and testimony by Michael Miller on healing in John chapter 9..."we must work the works of God" and how Jesus displays the works of God in that situation. I never saw that story as a strong case for healing today. Amen!

Never seen Joshua caught off guard like that. Even blushed. Very unique testimony though. Remnant has been such a blessing to me and I thank God for this podcast. Blessings!

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

I was trying to figure out what story I was going to share that wouldn't make me sound like I had lost my mind. I have had some really wacky Holy Spirit encounters. I get fearful that sharing these experiences will cause others to think they are normative, or possible cause others to think more of me than they aught. I try not to share these stories for that reason. Sorry for the hiccup ;)

@semonagata8133

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRemnantRadio Words of wisdom. Blessings!

I usually don't comment my own experiences and I've only ever told my friend the whole thing but I had a VERY similar experience to Josh. I saw an angel that was glowing brilliantly and I thought it was God for a second and the same passage about how the devil can still masquerade as an angel of light was what made me realize it wasn't an angel of God. That's not everything in the story but it was really similar to Josh's story.

I had a very similar experience as described at ~35-37:00 where I tangible felt what I later came to know was the Spirit of God, with laying on of hands, and was healed of depression. I also had "circumstancial" depressive episodes later, but was never like what I had felt prior to that spiritual experience. I also was laughing and crying tears of joy for quite a while afterwards. Was wild.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Praise God! thanks for sharing that.

Love this episode.

I'll be in prayer for you all. For guidance and continued obedience unto God. There are many dealing with anxiety and depression.

You spelled Augustine wrong on your upcoming video for next week. Aside from that, great video guys, I'm really excited for this series. I'm just now coming into "Earnestly pursu(ing) love and eagerly desir(ing) spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy." Thanks for the good work you do on the gifts.. What does the gift of tongues feel like for different people? I know there's not much Biblically on how it's supposed to feel (or is there?) but what does experience with the gift yourselves feel like? Like a Holy Spirit takeover of vocal faculties? Like God supplying these words and us speaking them out? curious because I've had the latter experience (where it felt like God brought words to mind and I was to say them out loud) twice now, but not sure if that's the normative experience in the church. Thank you brothers.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry I am not a stellar Speller. Im glad you like the show. For me tongues is like vomiting words. LOL Sorry its such a graphic articulation LOL

Very good, thank you! Please consider adding auto-translation for all available languages (I'd like to share some of the videos with a friend that does not understand English)

Nice to hear your thoughts and hear some sound thinking thats not hiding behind a pay wall ; ). Cheers

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Good stuff. Similar experience with the gifts of Holy Spirit as a worship leader.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Where do you Lead worship?

@bridgitmorris740

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRemnantRadio A Vineyard church in downtown Richmond Va

Looking forward to future episodes! P.s. when will the next Patreon video be released?

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Ill get it in there today

Thank you for sharing your stories. I think it’s equally unfair to say that cessationists are all the same. Notable cessationists such as McArthur, Peters, etc. believe the signed apostolic gifts did not continue. Not that all ceased. You don’t see people being transported by the spirit, walking on water, resurrections, limbs growing back, I can go on and on. If all gifts were in operation you would experience those as much as the “mental” gifts such as tongues and word of wisdom.

@fighterxaos1

3 жыл бұрын

Now that is interesting. I did not know that they believed that those kinds of gifts did not continue and not that all gifts have ceased. That's legit interesting and makes me realize I didn't quite understand their views. "Them" being McArthur and Peters and others.

@danielholder7979

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree! There’s a dangerous tendency to simplify on both sides of the debate over the gifts. Though I do want to point out that there are many modern day stories of miraculous events occurring such as limbs growing back and resurrections, check these two lectures by Craig Keener, he’s written a 1200 page book on modern day miracles kzread.info/dash/bejne/o22f1cmForOpm8o.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/i4l7rayzaKzbp5M.html

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Fortunately people being transported by the spirit, walking on water, resurrections, limbs growing back are never categorized as gifts of the Spirit. So we do not need to think any of the Gifts have Ceased. That being said, cessationist are no more a monolith than continuationist. I completely agree.

I think this should be a staple to watch before you watch any other Remnant Radio video. Almost like an intro to these guys. It helps you appreciate where they are coming from.

@cristidormiendo5743

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely 💯.

Can you do an opposite of the New Year’s Eve? I left feeling very discouraged. My gifting is mainly in prophecy and I just felt defeated. I don’t do it like the people you reviewed but still would like to see how others do it correctly.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

If you mean "the opposite" by saing "can we review words that actually landed" Yes I think we will try and do this in the future. the problem with hunting these words down is quite different. The words that are the most accurate are the words that were given over individuals in a local church setting (as is prescribed in Scripture). The problem is, IDK how to find these individuals to see if the word came to pass. Its not that hard to find different words, its just hard to verify them affter the fact. But we will try and do this in the future.

Listening to all these videos is endlessly interesting since I grew up Plymouth Brethren. So very conservative very cecassionist (honestly pretty close to Mennonite) and I love learning about my bothers and sisters I haven't had contact with.

@slatham8616

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, that's really interesting and awesome that you found this video.

Do you all have any in person resources for people living in the Pacific Northwest? Specifically Oregon? Or SW Washington?

I've been given gifts of prophecy in the form of visions. The last one was in 2018, so it's not very frequent. Once they recently starting authenticating, I became a continuationist. Now I read the Bible in a totally different light.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Thats pretty cool. Are you telling me you were a cessationist until you started receiving visions?

@MarkRidlen

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRemnantRadio well, I had some as a kid but I didn't realize the significance until recently

I’m AG and was a licensed AG pastor for 5 years and Josh I know what you are talking about haha

Thanks for sharing your stories. Do you have a way to contact you privately to ask a question?

Interesting name of the show 🤩

Love you guys. Great shows. So helpful! One suggestion: Could you consider using a volume monitor? Rountree is good, but Josh and Miller are very inconsistent. Take that back, Miller is always too low. Thanks. 😊

Excellent podcast. Excellent content ntent. Little brothers, I was hearing some. “clunks, clunks”. Please see about installing shock mounts on all your mics. God.bless you.

Does everyone have a spiritual gift, or are these gifts something that people may be blessed with in time?

Pentecostals in the crowd.... 😂 😂 😂

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

I love my pentecostal Homies!

@Natalia-nx5nu

7 ай бұрын

Me!

Good warnings to eagerly desire spiritual gifts, but not be ignorant to the devil's schemes just because we have a spiritual experience. Pursue the Lord in spirit & in truth with everything we are.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

❤

So I sense things. About people or situations etc. Is that a gift of the Spirit or just good critical thinking/discerning skills? When do you know it’s an outright working of a gift of the Holy Spirit when it’s not obvious like healing or tongues?

@jellygoblin6296

3 жыл бұрын

I think it would depend on whether you could naturally know that about the person or situation. Good critical thinking/discerning can also be called wisdom, I think, and that comes from knowing what is the truth about the world and life and God in the Bible. If they are things that are quite specific and you couldn't otherwise know, it is potentially some revelations/word of knowledge.

@assyrianrelief

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I will take the wisdom. It makes more sense to me. 😉

@lavieenrose5954

3 жыл бұрын

@@assyrianrelief Yes I would say wisdom is your precious gift ❤️❤️🙏🏽

@calhounclan7449

3 жыл бұрын

I knew I had to reply when I saw you used the word "sense". My favorite passage for the gift of discernment is, "But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."-Hebrews 5:14 It operates through the five senses. And the gifts of wisdom and knowledge often accompany this gift. It's a more difficult gift to nail down. Also, most of us as believers can tell the difference between obvious good and evil, especially when we know scripture well. But, this quote by Charles Spurgeon really describes what the gift of discernment truly is: Discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. It is knowing the difference between right and almost right. ~ C. H. Spurgeon I hope that helps!

@assyrianrelief

3 жыл бұрын

@@calhounclan7449 Wow. Thank you answering! You shook me. I got shivers. I had to re-read it a few times for it to sink in. I’ve never heard it described like that before. I just thought it was intellect based. Now my dilemma. If I do have this gift of discernment as you describe that uses the five senses, potentially coupled with wisdom and knowledge. That’s kinda heavy to acknowledge. Because now I must ask, how can I serve others with it? Any input? How do people with this gifting serve others?

There needs to be balance. We need good theology with the practice of the gifts.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Amen, hopefully we can help speak into this space.

@slatham8616

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@The Remnant Radio I'm seeing this at the end of 2021 and have been struggling with these things (balance of spiritual authority). But...what if your personality is one in which you never are "on your toes" with wanting? I can remember very few instances of that kind of wanting when following Jesus. I'm more cerebral in my desire, if that makes any sense. How do people like me pray?

God bless the Baptists and God bless the crazies.

I love listening to your videos. Well, most of them. I'm curious about your wives. Do they mainly agree with you theologically? Do you discuss this with them? Would they consider coming on the show? I see mostly (not all) men on your show, but I know women study and learn too.

@assyrianrelief

3 жыл бұрын

EXCELLENT question! 👏

@michaelmiller5024

3 жыл бұрын

My wife would probably be willing to do an episode but for the most part she doesn’t like being in the limelight. She’s pretty well aligned with me with the exception of my Christian pacifism.

@marvaff6878

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelmiller5024in what sense (Christian pacifism?)

Loved hearing your stories. I am learning about both camps and lean towards cess. but open. Have only seen the extreme char. and l am interested in the more healthy theological char. How does the gifts play out in the church? I did not get a picture of that in this video but I look forward to watching the other videos. My critique with your stories is these experiences you all had were a working of God. I guess I don’t understand how you correlate it to the gifts? In your stories, the other people involved were not aware of what was happening. These people would not claim that they had the gift of healing, etc. To me, these experiences can also be explained through the cess view…God can work miraculously, God can heal, etc.

I’m in the SF Bay Area and would love to find a church that is able to practice the gifts biblically! I know they are probably rare from my experience looking, I’m currently in a cessationist baptist church which is good for growing in Bible but at the same time there is a lot of unbiblical teachings which negates sola scriptura while also quenching the spirit which is an odd place to be in. Anyone know of any good biblical church in the Bay Area?

I have only spoken in tongues in my sleep. Does that count? Also, have promptings as well. ......I had two friends in High School split on this issue when I just really was getting involved in church and the Lord. It really bothered me. The one friend left to go into a AOG church. It was an issue an a minister in the church discussed about certain gifts ceased. I didn't buy it because of the fact we "know in part" as well. I viewed the passage used as when the Lord returns because "we will see him face to face." I also believe though that the gifts of tongues will lead into a greater understanding of speaking other languages. Another breakthrough was noting Paul still had thorn in the flesh while yet healing from a snake bite. I really believe that the deistic worldview has influenced the position of cessationism.

Cessationists have a proof text, maybe two, about gifts “ceasing.” Is there a proof text for continuationism, especially one that says they will “continue?” Sensationism?

I was a Calvary Chapel pastor and I love the verse by verse teaching but I really think many of them need to get back to allowing more space for the Spirit to work.

What do you mean by learned how to prophesy and learned how to heal? Normally when I hear things like that it definitely makes me think someone is doing these things falsely, but since you’re saying it I’m wondering if I’m wrong?

Great episode thank you for sharing brothers. Clarifying Question - each of you mention often "speaking in tongues". Do you really mean [praying] in tongues ? Speaking in tongues to my understanding from the text in Acts when one speaks in tongues everyone understood [in their language]. Which would not need a gift of interpretation since it's a known language. Thank you brothers !

@marvaff6878

10 ай бұрын

Second such question I’ve seen in the comments so far - and both not answered. Let’s see…

Random question, is the a formal Pentecostal Denomination out there that does not see Tongues as THE primary evidence of the filling of the Spirit?

@ChristiWilkes

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a good question. I can’t think of one.

@andreso9595

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChristiWilkes Thank you for your response Ms. Wilkes, if true sad that they don't exist I would like to join a denomination that at least would start with that foundation. I know many churches who do but are in the "non denominational" community.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

I think the classification goes like this 1) Classical Pentecostals: Initial Physical Evidence by tongues 2) Neo Pentecostals: Believe in second blessing but dont hold to IPE 3) Third wave guys: believe in subsequent experiences but believe baptism in the spirit happens at conversion. IDK if there are Neo-Pentecostal denominations.... Is 4 Square a Neo-Pentecostal group?

@andreso9595

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRemnantRadio Got it. So 3rd Wave would start with the Charismatic Movements in Mainline church, Brother Wimber Vineyard Movement and we the present generation of all the beautiful work of the Holy Spirit and the Church before our time.

Good explanation of gifts. God gives them, but they are not fruits. Gifts are given, fruits are grown. Rowntree, I like your explanation of demonization. Very good to clarify in the chat

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thank you for the feedback Meggy! Blessings

I see this video is three years old but wow Michael Roundtree is describing my journey. Thank you. And Josh, where in the world do you get all these big words from? I’m 70 years old. I’ve been to college with a BS in elementary education for a number of years and you have me going to the dictionary every single day! Lol.

This was so refreshing to hear. I really appreciate hearing a balanced view on the gifts of the Spirit and you guys' personal journeys. I started going to church in the 90s in Australia after the whole Toronto blessing movement came to churches here. I went to meetings for over 10 years, and while friends were falling over and laughing etc, it never once happened to me. It was implied that it was my fault, that I wasn't receiving, but I eventually got so discouraged that I stopped going to church altogether. 10 years later, I was watching a KZread video of someone associated with Bill Johnson's team, and found out they were going to be in Australia. I had no idea who Bill Johnson was, and just came for the other guy. I was prayed for, but again nothing happened. The following year I decided to go to the same conference, but procrastinated and didn't get there until the end of the last session on the last day. There was a line of people standing for prayer, going from the front of the church to the overflow room. When I walked in the door of the church, not expecting anything, my legs started to shake. I wondered if my blood sugar was low. I went to the end of the long line and during the hour I waited for prayer, not only my knees, but my whole body started shaking and I just wanted to cry, then started to openly cry (which I never do, especially in front of people) Before I was even prayed for, I was down on the ground and my body was making these movements going up and down for about an hour. Everyone had left by this stage and someone had to escort me out as they wanted to lock the building. I continued crying off and on all the 1 hour drive home, feeling the closeness of God's presence, and feeling like a huge weight and been lifted, having battled depression. I don't understand why I had wait 20 years, or even exactly what happened that day, but I hope it can encourage someone who is going through a similar dry experience at charismatic churches, and may even doubt God's love for them. Don't base Jesus's love for you on having such an experience. You may or may not eventually have such an encounter, but He's always with you and understands everything you're going through.

I don’t think there is a necessary link between cessationism and dispensationalism. Do your DTS pals say there is? Is Covenant Theology necessary to account for continuationism?

What was the name of Jack Deers? Book?

I'm going watch this but I was in the AG and moved out of it. I was treated like an apostate for leaving but I had to get out of it. Just so many things with the modern day gifts movement didn't line up with scripture. And I didn't feel like I could continue practicing something that didn't line up. I still don't. There's a lot more to the story than that. Alot of scripture to explain why I became discontent with that movement.

@TheRemnantRadio

3 жыл бұрын

I was also raised in the AG. As I have grown to learn, not all AG Churches are made the same. and not all AG churches practice the gifts the exact same way. That being said, it sounds like you and I have had similar experiences. I share a bit of my story in this video. I wonder what you thought of it?

@nickspitzley8539

3 жыл бұрын

Well brother one particular difference is that you went form not practicing to practicing. I went from practicing to not practicing. I now see we were supposed to be leading people to Christ and sanctification but we were leading people into falling out and speaking tongues. When I look back at where my focuses were then I cry. I realized I had forsaken the simple means of Grace that promote unity and sanctification and that's the issue I also see. Where charismatic practices are elevated the simple means become suppressed. Please understand I can only truly speak from what I've seen as I know you can too. I was on the board, I helped in the youth program and played in the praise and worship band but I count it all loss for the gain of church unity. I also understand that not everyone is to have to have the same gifting but what I saw what a whole other thing.

I really need to study this out because I don’t see in the scriptures that all believers held the belief that they can receive and access all the gifts. I just don’t see it in the scriptures.