The reason why janissaries are better to produce in conquered cities is based on history. Janissaries were ottoman soldiers that were “foreign-born” (Christian countries conquered) that were raised Muslim and trained to be soldiers.

@onurkarc7670

3 жыл бұрын

devshirme bruh

Imagine Ottoman AI establishing Ibrahim in your capital when they have denounced you and have a big army...

@blackzar09

5 жыл бұрын

Yup I see the Ottomans being a nightmare in multiplayer and even single play.

@aryamaansaha2951

3 жыл бұрын

That's why i play Gilgamesh and eliminate them first 😎

@LiIBeary

4 күн бұрын

​@aryamaansaha2951 Meanwhile I declare friendship to all Gilgamesh on the first turn we meet 😎

The Ottomans got the PotatoMcWhiskey seal of approval

Suleiman got hit by a pretty hard nerf to his turban.

Ibrahim gets established faster!

This is a world conquest civ, you can have so many cities and never have amenities or loyalty issues. The extra strategic resources could be much better than people may expect due to needing more strategic resources to build large armies, plus later on maintenance of units such as tanks as you said. Other domination civs may not be able field as large armies as before due to needing strategics for UUs such as legions. Not to mention the Bazaar helps with building railroads require iron and coal allowing you to connect cities with more production and move speed (all amazing for conquest) and also more power plants. Also more uranium equals more nukes and GDRs (assuming you reach that point without conquering the world). I believe the way you use the Grand Vizier is to place him in a high production conquered city (do any early war with a civ) , build up Janissaries and siege units. Then place him in the next city you want to conquer from the AI, then once you conquer that city move him to the next city you want to conquer. If you are about to lose a city to loyalty from the AI you are at war with in 3 turns, move him to their capital.

@dannyscott14

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. Good thing too, would be weird for Ottomans not to be conquest focused.

Imagine a war without having to care about loyalty... Ibrahim might need a lot of investment for that, but the gain is incredible.

They are just crazy good honestly and it's interesting. They don't have downsides other than the janissary consuming pop in your settled cities.

@blanksilver3851

5 жыл бұрын

not much of a drawback tbh i like it =D

@ReLoadXxXxX

5 жыл бұрын

That can be used as a benefit. Lower pop to reduce amenity needs and increase yields

So what's great about this civ is how closely the bonuses stick to history. The actual janissaries were pulled from conquered people, so that the Sultan was surrounded by foreigners who relied on him for power. Unique governor is also perfect, because the Ottomans used their actual governors to create very powerful and hard to exit strategic bonds with populations. Also they kept Western Europeans out of the Mediterranean using alliances with Barbary pirates, and were terrifying conquerors because of their bombards.

>that moment when you pause the video before they fully explain what the governor does

Has to be my fav sim ever. Everyone needs a good ottoman. Keep your feet up while watching tv.

Gotta love "all-in" civs. Looks like Gathering Storm is really going for "maximize what you're good at and be mediocre or bad in everything else" type Civs.

I can't wait for the ottoman AI to flood the map with outdated siege units, it already builds more than it needs now imagine with a 50% cost reduction lol

Holy shit the Ottomans are good. I was saying how I'd be choosing Hungary for my first GS game, but now the Ottomans are stealing that right from under Mattias's feet. To say the LA is good would be an understatement. Right from the start, +20% production towards units is like having a free god of the forge pantheon - and it stacks! With just another promotion, you can stop production and send the governor towards your target for an early war - +10 strength against districts may not apply against any units, but +20% production should insure that you have a numerical advantage. Hell, +10 against districts might be enough to wipe out a civ with only 2-3 cities before they can even build units in response. The first look suggests that you can't establish him in a civ who you're at war with, but a ten tile radius is still huge - even the most minor of forward settling can fix that issue. For god's sake, most of your immediate neighbors are going to be ten tiles from you in the first place. From there, the Ottomans are the only civ so far (and idk if Phoenecia or Eleanor has any reason to match it) that has a bonus towards removing grievances against them - meaning offensive wars and city capture can happen more often while making friends / alliances, a mechanic that becomes more important than ever (and world congress in general may be a way to nerf domination - Ottomans won't have to worry about that quite as much). The more peaceful tree gives Ottomans a slight incentive for playing diplomatically, with extra alliance points (presumably 0.5 points/turn) and a way to keep your ally alive. It's nowhere near the specialized power that Ottomans have for domination, but it could come in handy. The final promotion sounds crap if you're trying to play peaceful, but in Domination it can work if you want to stop a war mid-way and let your grievances cool down - even if you'd otherwise be facing massive loyalty pressure. The UA is almost as good. +50% production towards siege units sounds like it'll only apply to the bombard tree, and not rams or towers, but catapults can still be dangerous when combined with an early encampment. The +5 attack is just icing on the cake, as it'll stack with the LA for absurdly fast city capture. Speaking of, having zero population loss on city capture is huge. The biggest penalty for domination in the base game is how, past the early game, none of your conquests can build up to be as strong as your core cities. This is mainly due to the population loss, affecting both initial production and any districts you want to build. Removing this entirely is a game changer, as the Ottomans will be the only civ around who can use mid/lategame domination beyond just pushing a domination wincon. +1 amenity and +4 loyalty is just stupid, mostly b/c it's a power creep against Zulu and Persia, even the Aztecs to a degree. Ottoman's UB is deceptively good, mostly b/c the first look didn't go into detail about it. +1 gold from the base bank isn't that impressive, but gold isn't what you're going to be building this for. +1 amenity from each luxury improvement, and +1 strategic resource generation from each resource in the city is what makes this so damn good. Commerical hubs are already priority districts for giving you extra trade routes, and with this it can double as both entertainment districts and encampments. You might even want to prioritize banking over gunpowder, as it'll let you overcome the limitations of mass producing... Their Janissaries. Good fucking lord, these Janissaries. It's not the +5 combat strength that makes these op. It's the -50% production cost. The population tradeoff isn't even that strong a downside, either. By the time you get to gunpowder, you'd likely have already built all the priority districts you want in your cities, so using your excess population for a tech push this strong is a no-brainer. What's more, this directly encourages you to go to early war - after all, a well-developed city you took in ancient/classical era should be able to pump out Janissaries no problem, and without their tradeoff of population loss. And unlike Caroleans, musketmen are your go-to option for renaissance warfare - only rivaled by spamming frigates, which isn't even a problem with the free promotion you get. Is your enemy specialized in ground troops? Grab battlecry. Frigate spam? Grab tortoise. Melee units arguably have some of the best promotions, and being one step closer to urban warfare makes Janissaries that much more dangerous. Even the most fortified and militarized of enemies wouldn't be able to stem the horde of these monsters. The Corsairs are a little less certain, though. Assuming that their unlock is yet another medieval UU that is dependent on a civic, it's likely that they're unlocked at Mercenaries or Naval Tradition. Their unlocks aside, a 40/50 unit in medieval is no joke, and is something that treads on Indonesia's domain for early naval conquest. That said, I'm certain that this won't be an impactful UU, as unlike Jongs, you can't prebuild Corsairs to overcome the lack of a production policy for medieval navies. By the time you have the production policy, you're back to the same problem of privateers - being outclassed in combat. Corsairs are likely going to be an expensive way of competing with Norway for who can pillage the most tiles - which as devs have stated, got a buff that lets it scale with the game's progress. Maybe those scaled rewards are enough to make up for such an expensive UU?

@mhbudak

5 жыл бұрын

I'm also hyped for the Ottomans and cant wait to play it. For now my first strategy that i can come up with is probably to conquer a city state that is close to me. early game they cant defend and the bonus that it can give you later on will prob be less good that a city that can spam your Janissaries.

@lagg3sbd394

5 жыл бұрын

Historically accurate

Perfectly my style. I defend during ancient and classical, attack during medieval and reneissance, build during industrial and atomic and go on domination in information era with full on airforce.

i asked myself what happens if you build a janisary in a town where Magnus is established with his settler trait. Will the pop still be reduced?

@griffydz1789

2 жыл бұрын

AFter three years, you got the answer?

Wasn't that a new Wonder sitting right behind Stockholm when they were conquering it? I don't recognize it at all. It was a stone tower.

@Isengardtom

5 жыл бұрын

Robert Gronewold yes It’s believed to be a temple from India

Those side hand-warmers are something else. I dig em.

the barbary corsair is so well designed my god they look awesome

The new info I noticed was when they showed the full governor screen. It showed all the other governors promotions and there are a number of new ones that I hadn't yet heard of, like forestry management and subsidised renewables.

Also cool to note that the tooltip for Barbary Corsairs mentions that they "cannot be seen unless adjacent to". Interesting pirate-y ability!

@Jobbas24

5 жыл бұрын

That is already the case for naval raider units. civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Units_(Civ6). But you are right very pirate-y.

I find it an interesting aspect, that strategic ressources in Gathering Storm obviously have a stockpile system. (as shown at 4:56 ) What do you think of that, Potatoe?

You overlooked Ibrahim's Serasker promotion a bit. That thing is completely broken. 10 tiles is a HUGE distance and +10 combat strength against cities is very strong. If 10 tiles is somehow too far away, then you forward settle to a spot that will reach it. You can start your conquest at any point when you get that promotion, but you get a massive power spike when you unlock Catapults. The first game I did when Gathering Storm came out was a small Pangea map with the Ottoman's on Deity and it was the easiest domination game I've ever played (having all the civs in a close proximity helped, but I'm more referring to their bonuses). Their damage on city's is broken. Because if how good the Serasker promotion is, I suspect that they will be a good domination civ on any map type, since the bonus applies to any unit, not just siege units. You would just need to plan a way to get Ibrahim in range of your targeted city (put him in a neighboring civ/city-state or forward settle). Serasker boosted Frigates on an Archipelago map sounds like fun! Would love to see you give that a shot!

Hey Potato, I think you may underestimate Sulaman’s early conquest ability. If the civic tree holds, then you have 4 governor promotions when you enter the Classic age and upgrade your government and build the warlord building in your government plaza. If you spend 3 of these promoting Ibrahim (very costly as you noted because of what you give up) then Ibrahim could give you 20% unit production, +5 unit bonus and a +10 attack bonus on defensible districts. Placing Ibrahim in a city you wish to take would give your archers +15 attacking the city. How many UU’s get +15? What could a horseman with a battering ram do to a city with +15? On a crowded Pangea, I might even sacrifice early settlements to take out my neighbor(s) and back fill some cities in late classic era/early medieval era.

It does look like you should expand a little bit before the medieval era.. maybe take a city state or two in the direction of your eventual expansion as those conquered cities will be the places you will start pumping out the janissaries. So my guess is.. expand your borders.. until comfortable.. then grab a city state and turn that city into an encampment production center.. and then in the medieval.. pump out janissaries, and march them to glory.. If you wait to do that initial conquering, you will end up not being able to crank them out as that pop loss in your regular cities would be too punishing.

The 2nd Ibrahim promotion is huge. 3 turns to establish in an enemy city then +10 combat strength when attacking enemy city centers within 10 tiles. That's a huge bonus in the ancient and classical era that can also stack with urban warfare on warriors/swordsmen for a +20 bonus. Also because Janisary have a 120 production cost instead of 240 it's only a 30 production upgrade for swordsmen instead of a 150 production difference so the upgrade cost on experienced units of swordsmen will be 80% cheaper

The Idea behind Ibrahim is clear: drop him in a city you mean to conquer, use his bonuses there to speed up the seige and battle for the territory, and then leave him there for a bit, to mollify the new claim, AND speed up the production of Janissary and Bombard units (or whatever you have in that era) in the captured city. The whole time, he can also be reducing the ability of enemies to counter-attack, by giving them less time to use their grievances against you. And if you ever find that a domination strategy isn't your best path forward anymore, you can drop him in some allies capital to build up your alliances and help your war economy catch up with science or culture or whatever. It's a really elegant design I think, and should be fun to play with.

@AllisonIsLivid

5 жыл бұрын

I misread the reduces grievances thing, and thought for a moment it worked by adjacency to enemy cities. So it does seem less useful, but it could still help out if the initial push to domination stalls. He's not just making your invasion more powerful, he's shielding you from repercussions.

Did you publish the sheet you did with the diffrent civs and their tier ranking? And if so will you you update it now with Gathering storm?

The wording is a little unclear on the Grand Bazaar. I'm not sure if it's just +1 to each strategic resource in that city, or +x where x = the number of strategic resources improved in that city (so +1 if you have horses, then +2 if you have horses _and_ iron, +3 once you find niter too, etc).

Missed the Gobustan Mud Volcanoes next to Istanbul & the final unnamed World Wonder in Stockholm.

@Mokkun..

5 жыл бұрын

Was looking if anyone else spotted the wonder in stockholm.

@robertgronewold3326

5 жыл бұрын

@@Mokkun.. I think he missed it because his eyes didn't go to the building, but to the unit icon on top of it.

@jorgegarrediez4341

5 жыл бұрын

I don't remember the name of that wonder but i know is a Buda temple

@etainmukan

5 жыл бұрын

@@jorgegarrediez4341 It's "thought" to be the Meenakshi Temple in India. We don't have an official name yet, though. And, btw it's a Hindu temple, not Buddhist. ;)

@jorgegarrediez4341

5 жыл бұрын

@@etainmukan well, they have both religions there, it's for me easy to make a mistake but thx for correcting me.

I feel the same way about Mali and Maori! Great expansion... My only gripe that the new civs seem super powerful compared to the other ones.

Hey Potato! Have you planned a video about all the new features we can discover during gameplays that Firaxis posted? There is some crazy shit going on like the rockbands.

Double, double, double dipping... is that like octo dipping?

So would you need rise and fall for gs?

I’m gonna be honest. I’ve played with pretty much every civ and I have to say that this is the single most fun and dominating civ imo.

what is the thing next to Stockhom (18:50)? tho nut sure what thingies have ben revealed in previous vids...

@nathansutterfield

5 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing too. It must be a new wonder.

@PotatoMcWhiskey

5 жыл бұрын

@@nathansutterfield Its a wonder they revealed but I forgot name of

@zacharydanvers9781

5 жыл бұрын

@@PotatoMcWhiskey That is the one wonder that they haven't revealed... 6 out 7 were revealed except for that one.

They really need to announce a science powerhouse...

@stijndevries6175

5 жыл бұрын

Just play Korea

@dracma127

5 жыл бұрын

There hasn't been a GS civ that has explicit science bonuses so far, but I'd say the Inca or even Mali could pursue a science wincon. The Inca have extremely centralized production, which is a big part in the science wincon. Mali has a less obvious bonus, in the fact that an alternative way to pursue a science wincon is to combine Democracy and Royal Society. With extra-extra cheap builders, Mali can effectively purchase space parts.

@frontierbrainrobby5449

5 жыл бұрын

@@dracma127 I agree, but I'd still love an explicit science civ. Imagine if they made JFK an alternate leader for America and he got bonuses to space race projects

@NeWildeSache

5 жыл бұрын

I'd actually say that the Inca are an obvious science civ. All those mountains will give you amazing campus adjacency which will most likely make you go for a science victory.

@eduardo3652

5 жыл бұрын

They have, it's Korea.

That was on hell of a deer! I hear they never forget.

2:47 Is it just me, or does the coast look like Freshwater??

The thumbnail looks like a southpark character freaking out

Isn't +1 amenties per improved luxury OP? like the problem with massive empires is you run out of luxuries and have to rely on other limited amenities which limits how big you can get. This is +1-3 happiness per city which allows each to grow to a pop that is at least relavent

Khass Oda Bashi I think will function like Amani being sent to a city state, ie: he'll work as a diplomat while in someone elses capital.

What if i dont have Rise and Fall dlc? In this dlc are lots of abilities which contain changes in loyalty system; that system was added with Rise and fall. Do I need this dlc to buy Gathering Strom? :/

@PotatoMcWhiskey

5 жыл бұрын

I imagine you just play the game without Loyalty

@FireSinger

5 жыл бұрын

Gathering Storm includes everything from Rise and Fall, except the R&F civilizations. If you own Civ 6 and Gathering Storm, you'll have all the loyalty and governor stuff.

@smashxx2967

5 жыл бұрын

@@FireSinger thanks!

@ReLoadXxXxX

5 жыл бұрын

@@PotatoMcWhiskey no the mechanics carry over

Finally! This is the Civ I was praying for. I wanted Askia and Suleiman from Civ 5 and we got those. (although askia is now Mali which is cooler)

I think that there is an aspect of the Vizir that you didn't get. True you can place him in the ennemy capital and try to steamroll him, that's a strategy integral to the civ. BUT his passive ability (or his first promotion) decrease the cost of bulding armies, so you give a boost to your opponents to defend against yourself. Hence the theme of the expansion.

@ReLoadXxXxX

5 жыл бұрын

It's not clear if he can remain there during war

@NitroOfficiel

5 жыл бұрын

@@ReLoadXxXxX True this is with speculation but I believe that's the playstyle he is going for, especially with his last promotion.

Potato, you didnt even watch the video before recording your analysis?

One thing I wonder about Ibrahim is whether he stays in the city when its conquered or if he's kicked out like a spy would be. Given his starting bonus it would make sense if he stayed as he could jumpstart unit production there.

@dracma127

5 жыл бұрын

Now that you mention it, I don't think Ibrahim was ever established in an enemy city during the first look. It may function the same as Amani, where you can't be established in a city whose owner is at war with you. That said, it shouldn't matter too much. A ten tile radius is ridiculously large, even if you aren't direct neighbors it would be possible to still receive the bonus strength vs districts.

@fenhorn

5 жыл бұрын

I think you're right. He acts as a diplomat if he is in a foreign capital (with the three promotions connected to that) and as a military adviser if placed in one of your cities. He is still good though. Be able to stop loyalty pressure from a neighbour can be really good (you still have loyalty pressure on him).

The Zulu really come online proper in the Medieval, even though you can bee-line the Impi, because without Mercenaries you can't make Corps of them which negates much of the unit's value.

it's not as age-centric as you make it sound because you get the siege bonus from the start, you can definitely hit hard especially at city states in late classical into medieval

I have questions, can you move the governor if you’re not the ottomans?, because if you can you can build a shit city and move him there, or just have a governor in your capital and never move him, or can the ottomans replace the current one?.

I think they would be fun to play on Island plates

ah yes, deer with trunks

Ahhh good

That serasker buff is incredibly strong.Making janissarys terminator.Im not even talking about turkish bombards...

So they moved the bazaar from arabia in civ 5 to ottomans in civ 6, withthe same bonuses. Two claps for correcting that, the bazaar was not arab, a different version of it was arab which was called souq. The bazaar was persian and the great bazaar was one of the biggest commercial centers of the 15th century located in Istanbul..

Fun fact Ibrahim was a non- muslim and best friend of Suleiman. Later died (killed) because Suleiman afraid of him.

I wish their was some sort of civ that was based on going for early game conquests THEN building up your nation... welp looks like instead we get another civ that I can conquer the world with on turn 50! :D

This is the most militaristic ottoman designed in civ games. Every bonus is geared towards conquest. Btw grand bazaar's dome should be gray not gold.

They look a bit OP.

Suleiman looks bad! He doesn't have his onion hat!

"He is the only Governor that can be placed into other Civ's Cities, and will play a vital roll in diplomatic relations" - Oh, so he is a Diplomacy lea- *Literally everything else* - Aaaaaand it's another Conquest leader....

Grand Vizier, when established in a foreign..nuh nuh nuh nuh- *_wo0o0oo00oooww_*

McWhisky is pumped lol

New wonder next to Stockholm

seems op af

Its actually still a 50% boost. Normal can produce 2 seige, Ottomans 3. 2 x 150% =3

@Masteuhrcard

5 жыл бұрын

Yes it is a BOOST of 50% or a 33% discount. Let say a thingy cost 100 production and a city generates 10 per turn. NORMAL = 100/10 = 10 turns OTTOMANS = 100/(10x1.5)=6.6 so 7 turns. 7 turns is a 30% discount. Mathed.

Historically, soliman killed Ibrahim for fear of Ibrahim taking the crown, he also killed one of his sons, heir to the throne for the same reason he killed Ibrahim

@PotatoMcWhiskey

5 жыл бұрын

Didn't he kill him because his wife manipulated suleiman against ibrahim?

@nerd1estgam3r37

5 жыл бұрын

@@PotatoMcWhiskey I just checked and yes your right, his wife roxelana manipulated him to kill Ibrahim for being arrogant around sulieman and instead of looking up to him as royalty Ibrahim was just treating him as a friend, although yes they were friends.

So Ottomans are basically a snowball conquest choice. Once they get rolling, they'll pick up huge momentum, but until they can start cranking Jannisaries from conquered cities, they dont have a large advantage of any kind.

How does the city become more loyal after being sacked? "Oh well being American is all well and good but this guy has a really tall hat and that is cool."

@hasanmetin9024

3 жыл бұрын

Cuz they didn't "sack", they peacefully conquered. According to history...

You missed the new wonder in stockholm

*gates of Constantinople plays*

right this is a medieval/renaissance power spike, that means in pvp you just have to crush him before this time, while he s weak imp that's why he s maybe less strong than others early warmonger civs. in civ5 for example, the strongest units pvp were the camel archers from arabia, and people used to attack him before he gets instoppable, that s why arabian were very good but not god tier. i feel the same here. still he looks like fun to play vs ai

sorry bud your math is wrong. 3:2 ratio is still a 50% increase. not a 1/3. the special governor looks cool as fuck. I see this civ being banned in MP

okay then, whos the most powerful civ for a domination victory, AFTER Genghis

@gunzakimbo

4 жыл бұрын

I'd say both Ottomans and Gilgamesh are better than Genghis. He's right up there though!

I feel like this might be the only civ i ever play now because i think the loyalty system is beyond stupid, personal opinion but i don't like it, lol and this will mean i have to deal with it a bit less

I would not be surprised if the Janissary's cost is nerfed a bit before the game actually comes out, only 120 for a musketman is so cheap it might break the balance. Having played the Dutch with the "Steel and Thunder: Unique Units" Mod its honestly just silly how quickly they can be build.

@thevoxdeus

5 жыл бұрын

Well you're only going to get that price on conquered cities, which may tend to be the weakest cities. So while it's quite powerful to make those cities useful, it's not as strong as if you could build a powerful industrial capital or first founding and crank from that. However, if you can manage to capture strong production centers, those super cheap infantry can then snowball into a dominant force.

Like your commentary...do you have a permanent problem with your sinuses

And when will romania/one of the romanian principates enter the game? I really want to. And not because im from this country, but because our people have since the romans(yes we were under them) fought to keep our culture and identity as a whole from the many empires that tried to subdue us.

They give the Ottoman's a unique Vizier and don't name him Jaffar? Talk about missed opportunities.

@theplaylister30

5 жыл бұрын

Jaffar ? Why the hell should they name him jaffar?

The reduction of pop in his own(founded) cities is pretty anti-conguer for other civs: they know he could just spam out janissaries and reduce the city to the point of no value. Comments on this?

@dracma127

5 жыл бұрын

Huh, didn't think of it like that. That does mean that Ottomans will be effective at defending themselves, being able to turn their tradeoff into a win/win. However, a city lost is a city lost, and if you're being pushed back when you've got Janissaries, then you're already in a bad spot. Not to mention, this ability to effectively raze your own cities only works when you've got Janissaries unlocked. If you're getting rushed in the early game, then you're just going to have to rely on your LA to keep yourself alive.

So long as they don't ally with Germany and Hungary, they'll be mint.

byzantium, austria and portugal

@DrZaius3141

5 жыл бұрын

Gotta have some Viennese walls against the Ottomans...

@MashLABO

5 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah yeah*

Mingolia will be much more interesting with the diplomaci stuff

Ottomanth

I keep missing the twitch streams and am sad #sadbringbackrame

Ottomans " Our unique commercial hub will give us extra strategic resources such as oil." *America blows up door* "DID SOMEBODY SAY OIL IN THE MIDDLE EAST!?" Ottomans "Why yes, we did" *America tips cowboy hat* "Well, looks like somebody needs us to bring them some democracy " Ottomans "NO, America, No!" "Prepare to be liberated!" Story by an American in New Jersey

@gabrielvincentelli1254

5 жыл бұрын

I mean no offense but I can't stay quiet. You do realize that the ottoman empire was the greatest world power for a few centuries and only shrunk to today's turkey after WW1 right? also they are not really in the middle east. I know that you just tried to be funny be you would never I have written that about Russia, or Hungary. I just wanted to express that Turkey and the ottoman empire is western power that build itself/conquered the eastern roman empire.They mostly the same heritage that most Europeans The only big difference is religion. Cliffnote by a French in a country where 10% of the population is arab instead of black. PS: I went to University in new jersey, Its a cool that has place in my heart, but please you civ player you should know more about this!

@TamAviv

5 жыл бұрын

yikes

@SylentVoidkeeper

5 жыл бұрын

Gabriel Vincentelli this might be the most harsh response to a joke I’ve ever seen.

@gryffith1378

5 жыл бұрын

Gabriel Vincentelli lols. When Turks say they’re Europeans😆

@erenerdonmez34

5 жыл бұрын

@@gryffith1378 We aren't Europeans, we aren't middle-eastern. Anatolia is a melting pot of different cultures, and the great thing about us is that we all unite under one name, Turkey. You can ask anyone from Rumi(greek) to Kurdish descent, they will say that they are Turkish because we are all warm-hearted and welcoming, unlike people like you who discriminate.

lol

#MakeNorwayGeorgiaGreatAgain :/

First

Liberate Constantinople!

@saoirsedeltufo7436

5 жыл бұрын

Jacob Stout it was a Greek city, how is that a liberation?

@jacobstout7836

5 жыл бұрын

Remind me, what language to the [Byzantine] Romans speak? What religion did they follow?

@saoirsedeltufo7436

5 жыл бұрын

Jacob Stout apologies, I thought you meant the Ottomans liberated Constantinople

@jacobstout7836

5 жыл бұрын

Whoops! Yeah, I'm hopeful they'll add Nova Roma to the game. It would be cool if they just added Justinian to Rome and the cities you found are East Roman Empire city names (Nicaea, Nicopolis, Thessaloniki, Chalcedon).

@zelphernide5758

5 жыл бұрын

Istanbul was Constantinople Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople Been a long time gone, Oh Constantinople Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night

my only problem so far with this civ is just the fact that if you dont have rise and fall, then the Ottomans are kinda pointless as loyalty wont be a factor.

@sean-patrickmcclure2825

5 жыл бұрын

Blake Ott I think gathering storm comes with the rise and fall mechanics but without the new civs

@SylentVoidkeeper

5 жыл бұрын

Blake Ott Firstly, they’ve announced that the mechanics from R/F will be present in GS. The only thing you’re losing from not buying R/F is all the Civs that came with them. Secondly, who the heck is skipping an expansion, especially one as good as Rise and Fall?

@blake17300

5 жыл бұрын

Assuming your right about the mechanics coming over, then nvm but I’m just pointing out the fact that if it’s not coming over then he’s useless if u did not but it. Granted i did buy rise and fall but I’m just pointing it out

Better not settle the Armenians next to these guys.