As a homosexual coming from the cow belt and from a lower caste , with areas of hindu majority , tbh i have seen caste discrimination and queer duscrimination all over the hindu society as well , many a people (savarnas even OBCs ) actually told me to leave my job ( which is well paying) and go back to clean gutters ! And the homophbia is bad too !

Gulfraz (last caller), we'd love to hear more from him! If possible, please bring him back again. Thank you for this discussion. 😊🎙

@Gulfraz_

Ай бұрын

Thanks man, it means a lot to me ❤

@alpha_facts

Ай бұрын

U are amazing buddy love to listen to u

@beactivebehappy9894

Ай бұрын

@@Gulfraz_ oh God you are such a handsome guy lol 😝 would love to meet you in person man you are so knowledgeable and cool

@KamalKumar-cj4ct

Ай бұрын

Thanks, @@Gulfraz_ ! Your talk was very helpful. We want to hear from you again. Looking forward to it!

@Gulfraz_

Ай бұрын

​@@beactivebehappy9894thanks man ❤

Professional trader was the funny guy 🤣 he was trolling himself repeatedly 🤣.

The last call was very wholesome and also eye opening.

Lots of love to professional trader. I hadn't laughed in days. Thank you. ❤

At around 1:26:30 the caller gives his interpretation on 'krishna & gowardhan parvat' by saying that Krishna did not lift the mountain on his finger (it was just a metaphor) rather he guided people towards the mountain to save them from the floods because people couldn't figure it out themselves and would have died. If one takes that to be true then only one thing can be concluded from the incident i.e people were very dumb at that time with almost no survival insticts.

@professionaltrader415

19 күн бұрын

@kevivsunha5128 dear you may right also it may be metaphot but that's come how you didn't know first Second you don't know what was happen there and what was public understanding at that time You need to try to get idea how much knowledge people have at that time I can understand your knowledge capacity don't worry that ok my request to you just try to understand only vedas which not related to hindu try to understand this first it's totally different Hope you willl understand

1:22:00 This guy did "ye hai aam zindagi" "ye hai mentos zindagi" while talking about Ram.

We have to all send some *purely scientific story* 😅😅😅 to our dear Professional Trader ... this guys our Bollywood's scriptwriter in the making, logic ki maa behan aur bhatheeja kar diye... 🙃

@haritchavda2988

Ай бұрын

😂

1:25:54 Vimoh, your expressions are spot on

The total confidence with which people repeat what they have been taught to believe 😂

Somebody said "vimoh love story sunao Pak gya hu rationality se" 😂😂😂😂 couldn't stop laughing 2:05:54

@Haraex

Ай бұрын

Timeline?

@realshot9125

Ай бұрын

​@@Haraex I edited

Gulfraz is knowledgeable person I think gulfraz was closeted exmuslim and now he had chance to speak about it that he can't stop Talking 😅 I am Exhindu Atheist. I am still closeted exhindu I don't know how to talk in call 😅

@Gulfraz_

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂. Vimoh tolerated me 🥹

@Gulfraz_

Ай бұрын

Upar se time zayada nai thaa oor vimoh ko impress krna thaa 😂

@Gulfraz_

Ай бұрын

So i was kept on telling "Muje sab Pata he" Rajkumar yadav 😂

@indianatheist1

Ай бұрын

@@Gulfraz_ hahaha...

@jojo_ranjan

Ай бұрын

@@Gulfraz_Rajpal Yadav not Rajkumar. BTW nice to hear you. Please keep coming to this space. Good luck Gulfraz.

That last caller was a saving grace among what were very shallow “arguments”. Pre Islamic literature from a queer perspective is so fresh. Can we have a more detailed discussion on this?

@Gulfraz_

Ай бұрын

Sure sir, unfortunately a lot of queer literature, pre islamic and post islamic is very interesting. Rumi kept on romanticizing Allah as a beautiful man he is in love with, but unfortunately cis hetero normativemity snached that literature from queers and reclaiming is needed by queers. Infect what I have seen sufis are the umbrella term used by queer people back then. Well it's a long conversation. But it's very interesting. ❤

@pixssassin

22 күн бұрын

@@Gulfraz_ i need to know more about it , can u suggest like a compiled source cz i m quite intriged to know abt the stuff u talked abt in the stream. More power to u.

@Gulfraz_

22 күн бұрын

@@pixssassin could u mail me?

@Gulfraz_

18 күн бұрын

​@@pixssassinthere is no such collective work tbh. But for me I did homework for me. I will surely compile the information soon ❤

47:04 ye banda bol rha befkufi waali arguments nhi hone chahiye, meanwhile his own arguments 💀

This Live was wild 🤣

That professional trader ismost probably gujrati.

@beactivebehappy9894

Ай бұрын

yess😂😂

I like the intro music and video of water flowing

that last person was gem

hey vimoh , your intro tracks are so good , could you please send the playlist link of all your intro tracks {if it exists}?

abhi is guy you can enjoy talking a lot and lot enjoying it.

Wakar definitely had us in the first half!

@Leo-hd5dz

Ай бұрын

He has very poor arguments and ultimately preaching his religion, also saying that he’s very scientific in between. 😅

Professional trader is on path same as Brahmakumari

Even PM said he's not biological and sent by god

Hypotheses and hypothetical persuade , precedent preceding , perception on the cost of kettle in the universe

1:26:03 Vimoh loves his job❤😂

Mahabharat was largely written in 2 AD coz there is a mention of huns who ver orignally chinese who invaded india that time. ..

gobardhan vala toda acha laga 😂😂😂😂😂

@beactivebehappy9894

Ай бұрын

Vimeo should start a series called retellings of Mahabharat and other stories with delusional callers 😂😂😂

Oh ab samaj aaya benjamin Franklin hi Krishna tha

I think professional trader yeh kahna chahta hai ki jo bhi mythological stories hai woh real hai par but usko stories banane ke liye ya logoko yaad rakhneke use badha chadhakar ya masala lagakar stories banaya

Moins ke dimaag mein bahut toxic concepts incepted hain

@vimohlive, looking forward to next week's live to know proof of God by moins

The Krishna guy should write a novel or start a tv show

Your podcast is good source of comady for me. Good work vimoh.

I remember what Christopher Hitchens said about Islam .

why no updation on spotify man??

he is fearful the atheist in pakistan because he has appropriate knowledge to debunk what we already want to prove what we belief. Nothing hurts more than hurt in belief system. I know!

AAP itney patient kaise ho? Aap thakte nahin kya?

@sunnysengupta7556

Ай бұрын

Tonic lete hai .

@KAI_BEI-YT

Ай бұрын

You mean patience?

@humanityfirst1417

Ай бұрын

Chus k Aam khate hai,Esliye thakte nahi

Froggy jumps all around 🐸

1:17:31 😂😂😂 he already knows

1:20:41 cartoon character is his reality

Hi Waqas, I want to reiterate this point. Having no inconsistencies is not proof on its own. I'll write a book with ten facts and on the 11th line I'll write something that's not provable at least for now. Should we automatically assume it's true? Having no inconsistencies is never a good reason, it'll only act like extra when you already have different solid evidence to prove the facts in the book.

Professional Trader is conspiracy theorist. 1:28:37

That Moin was giving typical Islamic theories and the muslim before him was also similar but he just didn't say it This krishna one was once on realist azad channel......and was talking illogical thing and similar thing he's talking here

Very abrahamic view....

There is nothing like critical thinking .. kyunki kl meri kya soch. Thee aaaj ni hogi .. jo aaj hai perhaps it's been kya rationalist approach hai ya radical approval

Moins needs to open up to concepts outside his beliefs

No one's loved "unconditionally".

Vimoh , I have got an idea .. u would be having such an absolutely absurd and abstract question ( can't say q.n.a session) .. i have some idea .. won't u work upon those things ... And compile the things .. it would be great prospect

Thanx for great discussion.

47:00 where is this guy coming from?? Quran itself had bashed Christians and jews left and right and he's claiming it's from the same tree???

@thomascromwell6840

Ай бұрын

The stories all come from the same text, the Jewish Bible. Many religious people don't read their own scriptures.

@ryuchic462

Ай бұрын

@@thomascromwell6840 of course... Quran is basically a cruel version of Bible.... But my point is when Quran itself is hostile towards Christians and jews then he can't put all these three religions on the same page and declare that they are brothers.

@Gulfraz_

Ай бұрын

Quran says Christians could be your friends but Jews can't. Don't even try that. Ye banda ese he bhaichara dekha rha he 😂

@shadabkhan305

Ай бұрын

@@Gulfraz_ Yahood(Jews )and Nasara(Christian) pe bharosa mat karna, Aisa koi ayat hai Quran mai ?

@Gulfraz_

18 күн бұрын

​@@shadabkhan305yes

Vimoh is not Ambedkarvadi so just say Hello but he respect Ambedkarites ideology though

1:07:42 yeh moinz ka comprehensive skills ka bahot issue hai.

1:22:24 Someone stop this dude 😭😭😭

Hi, vimoh , actually Ive been a rationalist. For quite a long time , but for this thing I got such a harsh treatment " although , itw'snt my problem in deed actually half of my family was/ is in purely theist order ( but fake) , and my father and me were atheist / rationalist .. but for the sake of this thing I lost my family and social platform .. actually what I learnt everyone who boast that he is theist is a real crook .. but he has layers of the persona and a platform not to defend him but most excusitively reward him .. i know ur also been the victim in some sense .. but tellme how to overcome .. because I'm perhaps not vocal about any thing I m just a believer of rationalistic approach about everything .. well I am a pharmacist .. muje bhi ki show case krvao thorhi daer k lye .. ki mujh me bee thorha confidence aajae ki , kaese mae apni baat rakhu

1:09:02 Typical religious bigotry chalu

Waqas ko adam seeker urdu, Pakistan mulhid,ex Muslim sahil ke channel pr jaana chaiye . Puri Quran me contradiction mil jaayega

@Gulfraz_

Ай бұрын

Those guys are very dangerous for society.

@shadabkhan305

Ай бұрын

Ghalib Kamal best hai or unke panelists jaise substantia nigra , Haji mast ali, Asim Saeed, Salvador Dali, Neo confrontst ye sabhi knowledgeable log hai.

1:02:10 according abrahamic relegion god created only ADAM and Eve so after that the offsprings did have physical relationship with each other . So abrahamic relegion people can not question Athiest and Agnostic about where they get their morality from

@parikannappan1580

Ай бұрын

1:08:10 you guys have no right to talk about incests as incests is core part of abrahamic religion

@BLACKY532

28 күн бұрын

Yeah that's point sex is just physical need

Where is live chat?

@indianatheist1

Ай бұрын

Just slide on from right to left from normal chat

@AK-ud5bi

Ай бұрын

​@@indianatheist1It's wasn't available that time

01:23 this guy picked up this story from razz by big brain co. Which was founded by Ranveer allhabadia.😂

Professional trader to bhot delusional admi hai

why there is haunted place? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤮🤮

Vimoh galib ka sath ik live rakho

1:39:10 You could even say that religions evolved.

@Gulfraz_

Ай бұрын

Not in case of ibharamic faiths, and sikkhism.

@s_anandsurya

Ай бұрын

@@Gulfraz_ in their cases too, how they started out and what they are today is widely different (clarification: not all evolutions are necessarily good, in this context, it means adapting to the times for survival).

Aap hamesha bhool jaate ho, sir😊

Today I came here for debate not for proove my point actually I came just to give another angle for thinking second I also interested in giving logical thought and destroy belief of this faltu iskon people who just want to proove there point without logic why they don't want to understand krishna can normal human being with super scientific thoughts why only he is God hope you get my points

@Hexa_radiate

Ай бұрын

Ain't no way lil bro

@krishnanusharma6186

Ай бұрын

All the books which give krishna calls him as vishnu avatar So you want those guys to reject all that 😂😂😂

@professionaltrader415

Ай бұрын

@@krishnanusharma6186 yes offcourse it was written like that bcz public can understand that language only bcz of less logical thinking or you can say less creative thinking was there with public at that time Again I say if you want to understand all this how I can claim all this and it must be illogical I have no isusse but if you really interested to understand that than you must ask right question to yourself with honesty don't trust on anyone and put all your religious belief at side than at one point you will get all your answer

@krishnanusharma6186

Ай бұрын

@@professionaltrader415 who said people have less logical thinking the book was how to be a good human it has nothing to do with logical or knowledgeable thinking To understand the book u need to connect with God Krishna says it himself

@krishnanusharma6186

Ай бұрын

@@professionaltrader415 you swayed the topic That wasn't the motive of my comment

Waqas came and proved that he cannot prove why he accepts the proof of God. 😂

coronavirus is live example of evolution how much you need

1:10:24 Yeh moinz ke logic se Mohammad Paigambar ji ke mata pita ki shaadi nahi hui hogi fir. Unse pehle toh Islam tha hi nahi aaur Shaadi is religious construct according to Moinz.😂😂😂😂😂

@BLACKY532

28 күн бұрын

Point brother

The Muslim was wrong about Quran and all other religions. He kept using the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

Little wesley wants to be worshipped!

Also ask same question to iskon people like why krishna have 8 wife they may not able to give answer you can say I am using you for my idiology but if logically you think than I am just using your platform for people awareness by which people can start thinking like this way also and my request you start one program where you ask people to give logic if so called God is just normal human being what may there thoughts you may find so many very interesting things and ya if you want answer of krishna 8 wife question you can ask I will provide same but before that I want your logic as well as other people logic than only I will provide proper answer which you also may find logical and aceptable but never accept answer from me that proove any other superior thought it will always logical but I wait for iskon boys answer might be in futere I may releive my identity but currently I don't have any plan for that hope you got my point

@Tonitasso

Ай бұрын

Why is your sentence so long?

@mainahitohkaunbe

Ай бұрын

​​@@Tonitasso it's called paragraph

@Tonitasso

Ай бұрын

@@mainahitohkaunbe There are no commas or full stops. That is one long sentence.

@mainahitohkaunbe

Ай бұрын

​@@Tonitasso bhai ne ek saans me likha hai 🤣

@Tonitasso

Ай бұрын

@@mainahitohkaunbe 🤣

Ye koun waqas siddiqi hai jo kah raha hai quraan itna accha hai aisa hai waisa hai itna pyara hai mai khud ek Muslim hu quraan me likha hai islaam me mard 4 shadi kar sakta hai aur uske kuch reasons bhi dye hai ke agar us ke paas bohot paisa ho ya kisi se illegal sex ka dar ho ya to koi gareeb ladki ki madat kare it's OK lekin Ek ladki ko 4 nahi 3 nahi 2 nahi wo ek ko chd kar doosra kuch soch bhi nahi sakti mera sawal hai agar koi aurat ka dil kare ke use bhi koi doosre mard se sgadi karna ya pyar karna to wo kya kare usko koi permission nahi hai ye kounsa quraan ka acha kanoon hai ye to mai sirf ek kaha hu aise quraan me bohot sare problems hai

Totalitarianism and subjudication. Is it worth it

Sir aap in logo ko direct gaali de Diya karo... smile se kaam nahi chalega... 🙏

Hi dear vimoh hope got my point I am not here to prove anything and I am not interested in any kind of frame my request to you is that don't think only one way like krishna means gods only why not normal human being with his great understanding give so many lession for human being for love better Think in this way also again I am saying try to question yourself deeper and deeper once you reach one stage where you may find what exact ahm bramhasmi means And one more thing it is not even related to hindu please keep your all belief at side and ask questions with honesty

@Kmscoffee

Ай бұрын

Can you please explain what aham bramhasmi means, and how you understood it and how it drives your life now?

@professionaltrader415

19 күн бұрын

@@Kmscoffee yes I can but unfortunately it's not that much easy to understand because of our own bias thoughts for that you need to forgot whatever till date you believe if you Muslim than you must have that much courage to ask questions to kuran if you hindu than geeta and if you cristian than bible . It's above all religion and it's have never relation with hindu we think that it's related to hindu but it's our belief only

1:00:45 dumest argument..

Moinz is annoying, he don't let others complete the conversation

Now hope you read all this comments and why I am writing this I am not interested in anykind of frame but I want that you start to create contains where you put krishna as normal human being and don't deny his presence not for my betterment it just for learning lots many thing from that human(krishna) life how he get struggle hiw he create his own kingdom how he live and if anyone say krishna have how much wife than also tell them 8 dont afraid as it was true and why he get married with 8 queen I have answer logical but not interested my request you think and than try to give answer

@professionaltrader415

Ай бұрын

That thought of 8 wife and all hindu say only one wife is always priority it will totally destroy this idiology that's why I put this question I have lots many logic why it was like that if you need we may talk in future also if you interested other wise it meaning less

@krishnanusharma6186

Ай бұрын

​@@professionaltrader415one wife isn't the priority but u need permission from the first wife But the first wife isn't gone do something like that Moreover according to hindu religion husband and wife are made for each other or support each other So if a guy has many wives things won't work out

@professionaltrader415

Ай бұрын

Ok one logical argument but I will provide what may krishna was thinking and why he was right with 8 wifes I wait for other logic to come

Why do you need money? Don't you have a job?

@factsunknown8275

Ай бұрын

This is his job

@prodigious5766

Ай бұрын

-The same reason that everybody needs money. -He is a writer, and this is also his job.

@Gulfraz_

Ай бұрын

Because he pays his bills 😬👻

@shreyyadav8809

Ай бұрын

Why you commented here? Don't you have work?

Grow baby grow Some Atheist have childish minds and intellect dont know about the hard problem of consciousness. All your debates are very superficial First get some deep knowledge about it and then comeback. And tell me how matter produces consciousness.

@realshot9125

Ай бұрын

If you have knowledge then you can debate him too on Saturdays.

@Gulfraz_

Ай бұрын

Okey baby ap apne mature mind ka istmal Kar k Hamlin enlighten karye. Intazar he ap ka

@thomascromwell6840

Ай бұрын

This man thinks knowing about the hard problem of consciousness proves the existence of God. You only proved one thing and it's that cowards like you will hide with your god in whatever hole they will find. Why don't you debate any of us on debate night and we will clear your doubts about how the hard problem of consciousness will never be a place to hide your cowardly god or gods.

@asshwatthama

Ай бұрын

😭🤣

@Hexa_radiate

Ай бұрын

Atleast we got childish brain, you got nothing up there buddy🥺🥺

Kya mahamurhon ko laa ke bakwas karne de rha h bhai 🥱