I am an Elf owner, I purchased it last year in May of 2014. After driving it for a complete season without incident and never being flipped off by any motorist. More often than not people give the thumbs up and smile with curiosity when they pass. I use for commutes between my location and town (17 kms round trip). The route I use has a maximum speed limit of 60 kmh , I can clearly see anything coming to and from me. When I experience a situation where I may be a liability to road traffic I simply pull over and let vehicles pass however most are willing to wait and watch until they can pass safely. Over all I am very well pleased with this bike and recommend it to anyone looking for an alternate form of transportation. It helps our environment, health and is economic when you do the math.

@bonnieyuzapavik7002

6 жыл бұрын

Need to throw some water proof on those things, like doors, that lock & put a sIgn on the back that reads," E-BIKE, NOT A CAR." People are going to want to be able to use these things in summer or winter too, you know. Also, can criminals hack into your smart phone E-bike account and remotely drive off with yer E-bike? And if so, does it come with a tracking device, so you can find were it is, or where it went ?

@helgaluest2183

5 жыл бұрын

How do you lock it up? Also, do you have safety concerns when driving it?

@corywebb5537

5 жыл бұрын

If you don't mind me asking, how much do they run

@individualofuniverse9110

5 жыл бұрын

What is the price?

@peter130476

5 жыл бұрын

Is it as noisy as it seems to be in this video? How is it after 4 years?

Hi Agrotis, I can't reply to your comment for some reason so I'm writing it here. The ELF starts at ~$5,500 and goes up depending on the options, here's the rest of the details on the bike: electricbikereview.com/organic-transit/elf/

@tarstarkusz

10 жыл бұрын

Fifty five hundred dollars, therein lies the problem. This is why velomobiles don't sell well, they are just far too expensive.

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

tarstarkusz Quite a few normal electric bikes retail for North of $5K and even the ELF is selling well. I think velomobiles tend to sell less well than upright two wheel bikes because they are untraditional looking, harder to transport and somewhat harder to lock and store.

@AndrejGobec

10 жыл бұрын

tarstarkusz You must understand most cheap bikes are mass produced and assembled in china from budget materials but ALL recumbents and velomobiles are hand-made and tend to have mid to very high grade materials and equipment. That adds to cost. And you make a very deliberate choice when buying a bike or velomobile like that. Not because you need it but because you WANT it!

@tarstarkusz

10 жыл бұрын

Andrej Gobec Mass production is probably the key to get these down to a better price. I'm old enough to remember buying bicycles that were made in America (where I live) and though they were slightly more expensive, they weren't triple the price of cheaper bikes from Taiwan and other cheaper labor markets. If you can mass produce cars, you can certainly mass produce this vehicle and bring the price down under $1k

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

tarstarkusz I think you're right and prices will come down ad these companies become more established and reach new markets.

Good review, I was impressed you shot video from outside the bike while driving.

this should qualify for a government rebate like solar and wind does since you are cutting the co2 usage

@dennisrodriguez6294

5 жыл бұрын

LSgaming420 c

@Gieszkanne

4 жыл бұрын

co2 is no issue!

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gieszkanne Horseshit troll lie. Anyone who denies the grave threat of global warming is an enemy of all humanity and the biome. You are an extreme asshole piece of shit.

@moofymoo

3 жыл бұрын

CO2 depends what cyclist ate before pedaling. Look up some calculations, quite surprising numbers.

@denisemartel3352

2 жыл бұрын

@@moofymoo , congrat, you win the Oscar for the dummest comment of 2021.🎉

Now that is something to wow at. Bravo for posting this video. Very inspiring. Great job.

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It was a long road trip to visit these guys but totally worth it, glad you enjoyed the video :D

@eggtricycle3410

10 жыл бұрын

Electric Bike Review Great job on this video. I have found your message.(very late) Hope,one day you will do the same good job on my Egg tricycle.Thanks for interest. Recently I am building upgraded version of the EGG -alloy,improved design-better ergonomics and practicality , hub motorization, integrated cargo box and no tilting. It will be hopefully available early next year. Sure, I will let you know details when it will be ready. I am based in Slovakia =quite far,but lets see how far it will go...

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Egg Tricycle Sounds like a very cool design! Will you be at Interbike this year? I skipped Eurobike but may go next year. Good luck with your project and thanks for sharing :)

Not sure when this video was posted, but here's a user review from early 2017. Purchased my ELF in the middle of December and have put about 600 miles on it in 10 weeks. As someone who has cycled to work as often as possible, this is much more than I would have put in on the bike. The shell and lights have made riding in the wet and dark a non-issue. I would probably have about 1/5 of that mileage if I was only using a commuter bike through this season (extraordinarily warm Feb not withstanding). The lack of doors and floor are not a problem. Have never gotten wet, and even on mornings in the low 20s I'm not cold. I suspect the opposite will be a problem as the temps rise - it may be difficult to remain cool enough without any wind to cool me. While I am happy with my vehicle and plan to ride it into dust, I'm not happy with the company and I would urge any potential buyer to do lots of homework before making a decision. I began to have questions about OT when they wanted to charge me for shipping, even though I was picking it up myself at the company. Much of the information on the website is overstated (imagine: a marketing tool that's not truthful. The horror.). For instance, it says on the front page "up to 48 miles without pedaling." This is just plain wrong. I rode the ELF back to my office that day, a distance of about 12 miles. When I left for the day, the battery didn't even make it out of the parking lot before it died. And let me tell you, unless you are going only downhill, the battery is absolutely essential for travel. As a strong cyclist, I had my hardest workout since climbing Mt. Mitchell getting that thing home. When I called the next day to see if there might be something wrong with the charge, they asked me how far I'd traveled. When I said 10-12 miles, their reply was "that's about right." Now, true 12 miles is "up to" 48, but when I pointed out that was the information on their site they claimed I was wrong. (I wasn't - it's still there). They also suggested I needed to pedal (which I'd done continuously) especially when starting from a cold stop (which is nigh impossible). So they were essentially blaming me. They recommended that I use the larger 15ah battery, but have yet to make one available to me. My requests for tips on maintenance have gone unanswered (currently it's been 3+ weeks since I asked something about the brakes - the brakes! - without a reply), as has a request for a copy of the warranty. Like a lot of tech companies, they would just as soon never have to talk to an actual person. Another misstatement would be the price. These videos suggest $5K, but you will be hard pressed to get away for less than 9K. Everything, including color, comes with a price tag. So if you are going to get one, here are a couple of tips. First, get the Schwalbe tires. You want heavy duty tires, because you do NOT want a flat. It will take you most of the day to fix one the first time, maybe longer if it's the back wheel (there are FOUR youtube videos to explain how to remove it). And put Slime in the tires for extra protection. Second, do not get the wheel covers. They are as expensive as the tires and only make it more difficult to deal with the wheels (like inflating them or trying to lock them). Third, spring for the CycleAnalyst. It's very helpful to know exactly how far I've gone and how much battery is left. Fourth, I've enjoyed the variable transmission, but I suspect that if you're trying to save a little on the price, this is an option to be skipped. You can vary the effort with the throttle instead of the gearing. And last, get the larger battery. Although, since those are just a myth at this point, spring for a second one if you are planning on travelling any distance at all - especially if you won't have a full day (and full sun) for the solar cells to recharge it. So, bottom line, would I get one again? I'd say yes, but if there were other similar vehicles out there, I'd give them a long look. And if I read reviews that the customer service of those other companies was stellar, it would be a deciding factor for me.

@popeyegordon

7 жыл бұрын

Kevin - the 48 mile figure is with two batteries. One battery is good enough for most because we pedal and get solar charging as we go. There was a problem with their battery supplier for a while but that is now over and they have 16AH batteries. The price was from 3 years ago, it is now $8,450. They were losing money. Tire repair is NO DIFFERENT AND GENERALLY EASIER with the ELF than with a two wheeled bike since it stays upright. The number of instructional videos for tire repair is irrelevant. I have not yet had a flat in 29 months of daily use but I did rotate my front tires which was easy, just place little blocks under the frame. I use no flat proof gimmicks. I like my wheel covers, they look futuristic and high tech and they increase the side visibility view of this vehicle but of course they are optional. Look, your warranty will eventually expire and you sound like someone who will need an expert ebike mechanic so just find the closest shop that is willing to work on this, most are thrilled at the chance to touch an ELF. The only challenge is finding a shop with double entrance doors so it will fit indoors. The sooner you connect with a local shop the better.

@BurtonHohman

5 жыл бұрын

Any idea how it compares to the Pebl?

@jclar3565

5 жыл бұрын

Very thorough truthful and excellent commentary in my opinion as an elf owner.

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

@@BurtonHohman There are fans of that copycat vehicle despite its 205 pound curb weight which takes the joy out of pedaling and limits hill climbing ability. OT offers a full one year warranty, the PEBL offers none. PEBL is more fully enclosed so it is better for cold climates, the ELF is great for me here in Florida, I'm in my 5th car-free year.

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

@@jclar3565 You are in an extreme minority. 1000 ELF owners who are excited to be part of the paradigm shift away from personal car abuse are happy with their ELFs and understand they need maintenance. The newer the ELF model is, the less maintenance they need. 500 engineering improvements in the last 6 years. There will always be a whiner and a sour grapes complaint with any product.

The camera all over the place as you were driving was awful. You'd never have your face up against the outside of the front wheel, or looking behind your butt at but level or swiveling your head around all over the place while driving....or doing anything for that matter. Driving it from a 'driver's perspective' would've been 100% better as far as camera work while driving. But, 100% thanks for NOT putting music over the information you were sharing like everyone else would've (UGH!)! That was great. I could absorb and learn and hear evetything you shared. Very informative! Thanks! The velcro to hold the back window open is a wonderful feature. Thanks for taking time to review this!

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

And yet he has 138,000 subscribers. The velcro turned out to be a disaster - over time it causes thousands of micro-cracks in the window, then it breaks. But I have used the ELF for all transportation now for over 5 years. We make it work and stop burning gas.

For those not able to have or drive a car ...these are awesome alternatives. Not to mention environmentally friendly.

I keep coming back and looking at this unit -- I find them to be very intriguing. Looks like they are petering out as the media from Organic does not seem to be growing very fast and looks like a standstill for 4 months. These guys have a great product a bad price point, IMHO. They need to start getting them mass produced and get the price down. Pretty soon someone else will see the product and make a copy of if for allot cheaper - and more then likely not as good of quality as the elf. I really hope Organic becomes very successful and they become main stream as we really need stuff like this to help the environment. Cheers, Patrick

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's tough to say... The story I heard during my visit last time was that they're expanding, looking at new geographies, adding different models. That might be code for "we haven't found our customer" but I'm not sure. It's definitely inspiring and intriguing but the price is a touch high compared with products that could match or beat characteristics of the ELF. None combine them all... There's another velomobile product I'm going to check out in SoCal later this year. I think it goes for under $3K but lacks the solar panel. It's a company called Virtue Bikes and the model is the "Pedalist" you can see some footage of it in day 3-5 here electricbikereview.com/guides/interbike-2014/

This trike has clear advantages to conventional bikes, e bikes etc. I think it appeals to motorcyclists too because they are uncool in the rain. As for bypassing Big Oil...............priceless. A great form of transport for short trips commuting etc. Love to try one.

@BrettsCorner92

8 ай бұрын

Are these crash tested in case you were hit by a car

Cool dude didn't know you reviewed this! Totally awesome and it is actually a very practical solution :)

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! I'm very impressed with the Organic Transit products, this new version of the ELF has suspension bumpers, the solar panel and an improved motor which is a great combination of the lower price and simplicity of a hub motor with the balance and durability of a mid-drive. Very cool.

Very nice review of the trike. When I first saw it, I thought no way, but after your review I want one!

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

Ha! It's pretty crazy right... but also awesome. Glad you enjoyed the video ;)

That's so cool! I have mild Cerebral Palsy and I never learned how to ride a two weel bike. This is a cool alternative. With the three wheels it gives you the balance that some people with CP have trouble doing on a two wheel bike.

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, the ELF is marketed to autistic, legally blind and wheelchair bound users as well.

@YourMajesty143

4 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon - Thank you for commenting this. I'm legally blind and this fits my needs. I'm glad it's specifically marketed in that way, this explains why it ticked most of boxes on my list.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

@@YourMajesty143 Glad to steer you in the right direction, but bad news, the factory is presently shut down so you only have the 1000 used ELFs to check for used sales. There are several sites that list it but one of the better ones is AnyoneCanBike.com You should also check out the competing vehicle called the PEBL. Watch KZread videos about it.

@YourMajesty143

4 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon - Oh that's too bad, I guess I can check out if those are available or if there's something similar like the one you just mentioned. Thanks for the heads up 👍

you're awesome thanks for the info.

@geraldoalves1490

2 жыл бұрын

Quando ,custa no BRASIL?

Sir, Thanks for the nice review. I would like see more such reviews of 3 wheeled electric vehicles with a body.

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

This is a 5 year old video. He won't see your message here. He has new reviews where he reads the comments. There are only two bikes in this class which have been in production.

Great to see you riding without a helmet on, looking Dutch!

What a great machine I'd love one

What a great product.

awesome job man !!!

Thanks for the review.

I have liked the ELF styling since first sight. Don't like the price but when you compare it to what is out there like the Rhoade's Car, definitely better bang for the buck with the ELF. Just watching this vid again to get ideas to build my bastardized version that will look more like the Rhoades with the plexi roof, noticed in this vid that you will might get sprayed by the wheels if you are out in the rain when turning, no biggy, just noticed it and thought I would point it out to others looking to get one. I figured that if you are paying to get something to keep you out of the elements it might be important! Cheers, Patrick

@Shindinru

7 жыл бұрын

The Rhoades Car is poorly engineered junk. If you can pick one up of craigslist for cheap ($200-$300) they are ok, but not worth the new price in the least. If you are looking for a Quadracycle either go with a Surrey, they have been selling them since the 70's, or order one from Quadarcycles LLC out of Tuscola, Illinois.

@patrickmckowen2999

7 жыл бұрын

Thx for the info - I am building my own from scratch - got delayed in the new build but currently riding my Recycled Recumbent design 2 wheeler that I converted to a 3wheeler using the rear end off a adult trike. Cheers, Patrick

@fixman88

6 жыл бұрын

+Shindinru I've never seen or rode on a Rhoades Car before but I did watch a video of one being built at their factory. I knew I should probably steer clear of them when the guy started installing the wheel bearings on the bike wheels...*with a claw hammer*. The quickest way to ruin bearings is to drive them into place with a hammer of any kind, much less one meant to drive *nails*. You use a bearing press for that and for that application a strictly mechanical one would work fine.

@DNesij

6 жыл бұрын

The fact that the price went from 4k (2013) to 10k is insane to me.

Number 1 environmentally friendly....no gas no engine...

@YOUGETVIOLENCE

4 жыл бұрын

No floor in the ELF If u drop ur things though into the road and the car roll across and ur things then damage.

In the UK, we had something similar back in the 1980's called the Sinclair C5. Two wheels at the back, one at the front. Only available in white. It had both pedal and battery power (though not solar). The handle-bar was under the legs and it had no top. It was considered impractical and felt quite unsafe when buses and other large vehicles overtook. It was a flop and one of the failures that led to the downfall of a company that had previously introduced affordale 8-bit computers such as the highly successful Spectrum 48K and 128K home computers (comparable to the Commodore 64 but half the price).

I test drove an Elf a few weeks ago, and I loved it. We are selling a 1972 Porsche then buying an Elf to use around Winston-Salem, NC as a city car.

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

That sounds amazing! Good trade in my opinion... I love Porsche (maybe you've seen the eRuf concept? www.caranddriver.com/news/ruf-eruf-concept-model-a-car-news) but there's something so practical and cool about the solar powered ELF, especially for going around town. I guarantee people will say hi more frequently and you'll get the kind of fresh air and exposure that traditional transports just can't offer. Feel free to share your experiences and pictures in the Organic Transit Forums here: electricbikereview.com/community/forums/organic-transit/ I'd love to hear about it!

can you review on the Organic Transit ELF 2FR/2 SEATER pls pls!!!!!!

has that retro VW feel color scheme to it, cool

excellent review, thanks!!!!

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks Daniele! Glad you enjoyed it :)

@fabrizioolmeda1747

9 жыл бұрын

Simpatico ed anche pratico

Thanks for posting this review! It was super informative and contained so much great info that I hadn't seen before. I love seeing the innovation (shocks, rear seat, steering improvements etc.) since I'm still saving for one at least I know it will contain some of these new upgrades. It has lights and turn signals but does it have also brake lights? Please shoot another video in a couple months to show what the doors might look like and any other design changes we can look forward to.

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate the compliment! Yeah, the ELF is an awesome little electric bike/car thing and I'm also curious about the doors but may not get to see them. I had to drive from Colorado to North Carolina to do this review and have just been sleeping in my car and stuff... posting from libraries ;) It does have four red lights in the rear that are always on (not activated by the brake) as well as turn signals back there. I'll be posting more reviews soon of other bikes that are out here on the East Coast but nothing quite like Organic Transit has.

@pfos

10 жыл бұрын

Electric Bike Review Great post! Have you checked out FFR Trikes yet? They are in NC also. Not really the same useCase as Organics but they are quite the perfomer and a sign of things to come. They brought home 1st and 2nd place at Pike's Peak in 2012. watch?v=bS6JVhX0d8c

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

pfos I love those guys! Have reviewed several of their bikes but refer to them as "Outrider" instead of FFR electricbikereview.com/category/outrider/

@pfos

10 жыл бұрын

cool, I'll check it out

Seems that driveing/rideing with the rear screen up is less aero drag in warm and dry weather seems like a good idea that brings up another point. When Your making a turn on a wet street do the front tires spray You?

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Great question Walt, the fenders look pretty big so my guess is that you stay dry (there wasn't any water to test with on my ride). I wonder if the front slips at all? It felt solid and stable when I rode, even when I turned hard.

Id love too get one of these im sick of owning a car

I am going to buy one of these soon!

It's cool, i want one!

OMG WANT!

a good idea would be a tinted windshield or windshield visor so when your riding into the sun

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

That's an EXCELLENT idea, thanks for sharing. I'll mention it to the Organic Transit team when we talk again. This is something that you can't really do with a normal bike (unless it has a wind fairing or something)

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

I used Gila heavy duty cling tint on my ELF. It is still good 3 years later in harsh Florida weather.

Dude, you sound like Joshua Seth (voice actor of Tai from Digimon, Tetsuo from Akira and Dio from Last Exile). And the bike looks like something which can become very popular as it gets cheaper. A solar vehicle for the masses. Great review! EDIT: Also, do you think the ELF could be used with the Bike RV project? The Bike RV Project by Alexander Main or the EDAR tent? CNN - Tents on wheels give homeless people roof and pride

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

Glad you like the bike! I agree that it's a bit pricy but love the solar panels and nice shell they built. It's funny you should mention the Bike RV Project, I've seen that video before and even donated a bit and wrote to that guy but never heard back. Maybe it's tough to get email when you're in a Bike RV :)

Pretty cool. Gotta try one , one day

@otsales2721

8 жыл бұрын

+Samore Love TV❤ If you get a chance, you should stop by our office! Setting up a test ride isn't hard, and most people just drop by with no appointment and get one. We also have them available for rental. Our address is 311 W Corporation Street in Durham, NC, 27701

I want one of these

Made in USA - a great bicycle! /Sweden

Looks good easy to use cool stuff

Love it love it love it

that will e perfect for Puerto Rico streets :)

@ElectricBikeReview

8 жыл бұрын

+Juan Vargas Nice! It's an amazing little vehicle, hope we see these in small communities all across the world, I love the solar!

@npr-sgtrangerrickringlemin3207

7 жыл бұрын

ElectricBikeReview.com what's the tow package can I haul my travel trailer does any of the paddling charge the battery

@mikebtko

6 жыл бұрын

Saludos de Rincón Puerto Rico😝!

@KoroWerks

5 жыл бұрын

@@npr-sgtrangerrickringlemin3207 i know this is late, but in this model he specifies that the motor and your pedal drive train both freewheel. for regenerative braking or any other kind of charging, you need something to be turning the motor the other way, in addition to it being the right KIND of motor. it's got solar panels on top, so it recharges while you're at work or whatever, but there is no regen braking or pedal charging. if it did, there would be significantly increased rolling resistance and friction.

@craighawkins4133

4 жыл бұрын

It looks pretty good for Adelaide streets too.

How can that solar panel give 60 Watt? What I can see it is normal PV crystalline silicon panels giving maximum 20% energy output. In the standard size of 125 mm * 125 mm that would give maximum 3 Watt per square. So 15 * 3 = 45 Watt! Real output a sunny day would probably be around 30 Watt because of the round shape and not perfect conditions. If not using a MPPT controller probably down to 20 Watt. Just some calculations in my head..

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

The 21% energy conversion efficiency is included in the wattage rating. The 100 watt panel gets hit with 500 watts of solar radiation.

I called Court to ask him to consider making an updated review since this one is three years old and many improvements are now standard in the 2017 ELF. He is interested but has to work it into his schedule as he travels the US making these videos. He's on a shoestring budget, lives in his Prius while traveling. Maybe we can see a head to head review of the latest ELF vs. the new PEBL in production now.

i could have used one of those when i was a teen... crowing up with seizures, my only way to get around was a bike.. ty showing up to a Funeral Home type job dripping wet...

Can the batteries be charged using a manual plug in cord?

@LandofNonecom

8 жыл бұрын

+ArielHelwany Yes.

that would be great for someone that had their driver's license revoked... it's also very economical no gas or oil or insurance!

@dehoedisc7247

4 жыл бұрын

It would also be a Death Trap if you tried to mix very closely with car and truck traffic, Jackass. It is generally assumed that a rider would want to Stay Alive in traffic, and this little pig is not suited for that.

@tinkerbell4296

4 жыл бұрын

@@dehoedisc7247 you're mean

@YOUGETVIOLENCE

4 жыл бұрын

Because U are drunk driver. That's why U are revoked . U can't drive any vehicles!!!! So U are not smart and an idiot!!!!!!!!!

@tinkerbell4296

4 жыл бұрын

@@YOUGETVIOLENCE you're evil and mean.

@YOUGETVIOLENCE

4 жыл бұрын

@@tinkerbell4296 U are not smart.. are u drunk ????

Since there are two wheels up front, I wonder if it might be worth exploring front cargo wells. I suspect the trike would be less likely to tip during an emergency swerve when laden.

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Great idea, I've seen a running board side rack thing that goes along the inside walls and a front dash board thing that might come close. Keeping weight low and towards the front where it's stable is a good call. You can see the features here under "front parcel rack" and "bamboo cargo shelves" organictransit.com/features/

thanks for your video...

in city centers where cars are banned (there are plenty of those in Europe) these could be huge business and the fact that it charges while you work is freaking awesome. I was expecting some actual shock absorbers but i guess those are better than nothing. By the way how far are these models from the production version ? Also why not have 4 wheels ? i mean 300 pounds + half the bikes weight + the rider is a lot of strain a single bicycle tire, is it just because it's easier to make the drive system this way ? And another thing, when you get a puncture you tip it over ?

@Everdayvideos

10 жыл бұрын

In the US if it had 4 wheels it would considered a car and you would need a license and insurance

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the suspension bumpers were kind of basic but this design keeps the weight and price down. These are very close to production but still kind of pieced together (the one had a rear seat and the other one had the unique paint job). To fix flats you might have to use a small jack or prop the bike up and take the wheel off. I would recommend keeping it right side up to avoid scratching the frame. I asked about maintenance and they said it uses standard bike parts and most shops could help... but it's kind of big, I think it's probably more work to service than a traditional bike.

@JoeGP

10 жыл бұрын

Everdayvideos good point i guess, but over here (in East Europe) we already have small cars that don't need a license or insurance, because they are very small, about the size of the ELF if not smaller, they also have small 300-400cc engines and a limited top speed, stuff like this images.sodahead.com/polls/000659951/polls_no_license_car2_3549_750125_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Joe G.P. That's cool, I forget that you're in East Europe and not US! In the future maybe we will also see smaller cars like this. We have the Car2Go that uses the Smart car like this www.car2go.com/

@JoeGP

10 жыл бұрын

Americans are way to used to big cars, it will never catch on, maybe only in big city centers

wow! how does it cost?

@camaronruss9476

3 жыл бұрын

Around 10,000 much cheaper than a car!

I love, love, love this bike! I'd love to see if they'd put a bench in the back for small kiddos. Wouldn't that be an awesome vehicle for a family?!!

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

That's a great idea! Organic Transit recently introduced a two-seater version just like you're imagining here. Check out this article on Treehugger: www.treehugger.com/bikes/organic-transit-elf-velomobile-now-two-seater-option.html

"the back is a little noisy"..... LOLOLOLOLOLOL TRY CLOSING AND LOCKING THE HATCH!!! love your video , thanks .. P.S.... i would make some snap on screen doors just like front radiator covers for cars with "bug-bras" or winter radiator covers for gas vehicles

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Great idea about the snap or zip on doors, could keep the rain out and make it slightly more aerodynamic. I agree these things ride a bit noisier, glad you enjoyed the video.

I predict a huge market for these superb little grocery getters!

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I really love this thing. It's amazing to see in person and realize just what's being accomplished combining solar, electric drive and cargo capacity.

what the little people will be using when the oil runs out

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

godofallbums Yeah, these things are pretty cool! I love the idea of just leaving it outside to charge :D

@jamesdemetro9123

5 жыл бұрын

Im 6ft.and thinking of sleeping in one of these..

1.5 version arrived!!!

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah! They did a nice job, I love the two tone paint and the suspension bumpers in the front. Do you own a v1?

@MrTimurgepard

10 жыл бұрын

Electric Bike Review. I have an electric bike. Waiting right now when I can buy it in my country.

Fascinating prospect for niche transportation needs of some. Q: 1. Is there any work being done to shave the price of these or produce a version that would be more attractive to more budget conscious adopters? 2. When does an electric bike become motor vehicle status? 3. Does a user need to be a bike mechanic; are designers even considering that many prospects don't want to be constantly tinkering with their ELF in order to keep it on the road? For this concept to flourish, it needs to be low maintenance and reliable, and cheap. At $5.5K and up, many seeking alternative transportation will opt for more traditional vehicles. At this price, they would be a hard sell vs. a Twizy (where available), or a conventional bike, moped, LSV/NEV/golf cart, etc.

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

1.) Great question about price, I think the ELF is selling very well at the current ~$5K mark and they are expanding the variety of models right now. I'm not aware of a more affordable version in the works at this time. 2.) In the USA an ebike is classified as a bicycle if it has a motor that is

I want one, cant afford it but still want one...lol

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

Me too, I love that it has that solar panel on top and is so self contained. When I think about actual use and storage it's a little daunting but the idea is great :)

@heavyhittersgaming3759

9 жыл бұрын

Electric Bike Review Im pretty handy and can build most anything. Its giving me some ideas...lol

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

Too Country BBQ Did you see this video? I got some behind the scenes footage with the founder of Organic Transit and it shows how the frames are setup and the unique middle mounted hub motor Organic Transit Tour, ELF Overview With Founder Rob Cotter

@heavyhittersgaming3759

9 жыл бұрын

Electric Bike Review Yes I saw that, Just wonderful, I may have to design something for myself....Not a rip off but its inspired me...

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

Too Country BBQ Cool, if you do create a custom design definitely take some video and share!

Unfortunate that they can't get the price down. You can almost buy a used Leaf for that cost, but then... you have to have license and insurance, registration. Maybe with higher production they can bring down the price. I saw lots of this sort of thing, looking somewhat home-made, in Beijing. I guarantee those would be VERY inexpensive.

@cook7772

8 жыл бұрын

It's a bike, you need non of those things.

@loungelizard836

8 жыл бұрын

cook7772 Yeah, that's what I meant to say... the advantage is that it's classified as a bicycle, so you don't pay all that extra stuff. What we need is a low-cost option, like the pedicabs and such you see all over Asia.

@cook7772

8 жыл бұрын

+J Bishop I travel at 15-20mph I just don't see the point. I don't gain enough speed to make it worth it. If you give up your car, you can add up price of gas and Insurance for the year. For a decent electric bike start at what? $2,000?

@loungelizard836

8 жыл бұрын

cook7772 I've got a PHEV now, since I need a car (in our area mass transit sucks and almost nothing is walking distance), so my cost of fuel is, well, nearly nothing. Insurance is about $200/yr (PL/PD only) and registration is... I'm not sure what I paid. Probably $200 or so. I can put lots of stuff (like 4 people) in the car and go 60mph. I'm not willing to spend $5,000 on a bicycle... but I would definitely buy and use something like this if it was reasonably priced for the covered moped that it is.

@cook7772

8 жыл бұрын

+J Bishop How's your cost of fuel almost nothing??? I'd honestly be surprised if you commute spots where more then 10 miles. (Except work) Most car speed's avg dies with traffic lights btw. Doesn't sound like it saves you money, so I would agree with you on what's point of it.

I live in Durham, N.C. & let me tell you......I WANT ONE OF THESE SO BAD 😍😍😍😍😍😍 BUT I CAN'T AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW.

What happens if your feet slipped off the pedals while using the motor? I think you might snap an ankle or lose some skin. It needs a lightweight tray under the feet, otherwise cool looking

@popeyegordon

7 жыл бұрын

There is no issue with feet off the pedals unless you place your feet down on the pavement with pressure that could create enough friction to drag your ankles back under the vehicle. If this frightens you buy pedals with straps or clips. I got the optional full foot platform pedals with heel cups, so very comfortable even barefoot. A full floor is not practical due to the small clearance to the road bed and we need the ventilation.

I can see many bent wheels, brakes wearing out and the back wheel will need to change the tire often.

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Good insights... I think the added weight of this bike at ~150 pounds will use up brake pads more quickly and agree that the rear tire will take more wear given the motor drive placement. The wheels seem very solid and they offer different tire options so bent rims shouldn't be a huge issue. These things can carry a lot of weight and have been in use by the Durham bike trail police which seems to be working out alright.

@superhotbm

10 жыл бұрын

Electric Bike Review Can you do a review of the EnergyReturnWheel. I think it would be the best fit for the elf. Also do you know about blacklightpower.. replacements for battery technology.

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

superhotbm I'd love to review the Energy Return Wheel (ERW) but have never seen one in person. They are so expensive right now but I love the idea of no flats. Will keep an eye out for that and the Black Light Power thing (looks like hydrogen power or something? Have you seen it before?)

@superhotbm

10 жыл бұрын

Electric Bike Review I think a better design for this would be a huge disc brake on the back. Have you also looked at the auroratek self charging scooter. I think the ERW is the future of electric bicycles. One of the big problems is flats, bent rim from the heaviness of the batteries and the motor. Electric bikes are in constant repair.

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

superhotbm Yeah, a disc brake on the rear wheel makes a lot of sense, right now there are two chains there (one for pedaling and one on the other side connected to the motor mounted at the middle of the frame) so maybe that limited their ability to attach a disc? I've contacted Energy Return Wheel because they have an office in Denver very close to where I'm at right now but they don't want to do a demo for some reason...

thieves will find it irresistable because it's light enough to lift it into their car while you are inside for only some minutes. I think that the replacement of the car by the 'improved bike' needs a advanced theft protection.

@Grizzydan

6 жыл бұрын

A GPS location chip welded inside the frame.. I prefer to put criminals behind bars instead of worrying about them.

@jclar3565

6 жыл бұрын

People need to stop putting up with living with crime.

@Grizzydan

6 жыл бұрын

You must live alone a thousand miles from anywhere if you aren't living near crime.

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

@@Grizzydan No. Most of us don't live in crackhead neighborhoods.

hello there i want to know if solar panel can keep charging the battery while running. and which company make they are

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't it be more more aerodynamic backwards than forwards? Shouldn't the blunt end of the teardrop shape face forwards for maximum efficiency?

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

good point?! I'm not a physicist but it seems like you could be right. I think the design they chose here is based on having space for your feet and the steering hardware. It could probably work the other way too? At sub 20 mph speeds however, aerodynamics are less important and maybe they just thought it looked more like a little car this way :P

how the hek India build a car that you can buy for $2,000 (nano car) but Americans build a bike car for $5000. I just don't get it why it's so freaking expensive.

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

***** I'm not completely sure Alicia but it might have to do with volume of sales (many more buyers of small cars in India than ebikes in the US) and also regulations and taxes in the US. Our products have to be UL certified, companies have to carry insurance and there are import duties vs. India where laws are less restrictive and manufacturing is done locally for a much lower cost (US has minimum wage). It's a complex topic but I think these are some valid points. On the flip side, some things are very affordable in the US compared to other countries such as food, water and energy.

@marthajbanks2024

9 жыл бұрын

***** The nano car needs gas, insurance, etc. The ELF doesn't, so in the long run it's more efficient. And I understand the nano car isn't very safe. I wouldn't take one of they paid me.

@patrickmckowen2999

7 жыл бұрын

Hi Alicia - its all about profit margin over here in North America - you cant stay in business if you dont make a certain amount of money so you can than afford the over priced housing and fancy cars which I will admit I have a big house and good car. Not sure how we fix this An example on price mark up is on the upgrade Mag aluminum wheels - I got those same rims for 64$ for a 20" and 70$ for a 24" - 30 dolars shipping so 234$ is getting marked up to $1000. Another example are the solar panel - I got them for $100 - $550 from them. That is a huge profit margin - can you imagine everything else on there that has to be marked up and you can be sure these people get better pricing then I did because they in bulk. I aint beating the war drums on OrgTran and their products - everyone over here is the same way. When you go out there and price Electric bike this or that - OT pricing on par to what else is out there. This is one reason I am building my own - wont look as fancy but it will get the job done. Green is good now and it is not the environment green - it is the dollar green. Best Wishes, Patrick

@popeyegordon

7 жыл бұрын

Patrick - YOU don't get a warranty. YOU deal with any dimensional incompatibility issues when mounting the wheels to the disc brakes and axle. YOU did not have to research and test the wheels for reliability. What dealer offers upgrades at cost? Name one.

@popeyegordon

7 жыл бұрын

Patrick - you did not get a comparable solar panel for $100. Either you lied or you got a cheaper version. They average $180 plus shipping of the crate on Amazon. The panels are shipped in custom wooden crates, I know because I got one that way. Again, what vehicle dealer sells replacement parts at cost? Is there a free warehouse for them to store the panels in? Do they get free financing for the funds to stock those panels? Any home made imitation will not come remotely close to the performance of a product designed by a team of engineers and assembled with half a million dollars worth of specialized custom tooling. You are a childish braggart pissing in the wind.

this thing in traffic, would be a nightmare.

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

mace FTL Haha! Awesome visual...

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

mace FTL Though... You might just be able to cut between cars and pass everyone who is standing still in heavy traffic :D

@MintMacelodeon

9 жыл бұрын

ElectricBikeReview.com lol!

I own 3 ebikes, and with the rise of these types of vehicles, we really need an infrastructure of bike lanes and paths to really help them to take off in popularity.

@davidlane1248

2 жыл бұрын

I think price is the biggest barrier to entry before infrastructure. These hybrid velo-etrikes are already road friendly, after all(barring interstates) I understand completely why these things are so pricey, but it doesn't change the fact that you can literally buy a car for what OT was asking. Expensive recumbents get away with the pricing because they're a niche hobby product, but the Elf was trying to be a practical machine and the price just didn't match what was being offered I still plan on getting one of these used one day, regardless lol

Very Nice. I like this bike but I am not sure I would like being "indoors" while riding as a personal choice. I think if you want to be enclosed this is the etrike. I do not like the noise. I would find a way to button down the items that are making noise. Not a bad price for what you get. I do like the position of the battery and I really like the way the motor is mounted with a gear and chain to help with the torque. I am willing to bet you could change the rear gear so a rider could go up just about anything. From this video I have two changes I am going to make to my etrike. Thanks for the report.

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

Awesome, I'm glad you've gotten some new ideas from this. The Organic Transit ELF is one my favorite bikes because of the unique design and solar panel integration. It's inspiring :D

@nebula7226

9 жыл бұрын

ElectricBikeReview.com Thanks Court. I really think the solar panel is awesome.

Good idea. But, unfortunately, this bike is not for Nord countries. They not have a heater, not have a door. In last winter we are have -48C in my city

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Ha! That's a great point... I spend some of the year in Colorado, USA where it gets very cold and even electric cars with heaters feel cold! The ELF can get doors but the bottom is still open air. It may be warmer than a bicycle but not much :)

the biggest issue with these kind of vehicles is that a used motorcycle cost half as much. I bought a Vulcan 900 for $2,950 this electric trike is $5,500.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

No, this trike has a list price of $8,950 and the competition sells the PEBL for $12,000 with no solar panel. No gasoline powered vehicle can be compared with bike prices. The ELF is emissions free, offers fun exercise and needs no driver license or insurance or tags. You are in the most dangerous group for severe injuries on motorcycles. Car drivers think nothing of taking on a perpetual annual cost of owning a car in the range of $3 to $5 thousand dollars every year, year after year. You all seem clueless that a car costs you at least $30,000 every ten years while the ELF only costs you $3000 to own for ten years, a savings of at least $27,000!!! In year 6 without a car my ELF has already saved me $16,000, more than twice my purchase price in 2015. And you ignored the fact that cars and motorcycles are a proven double risk - you get no exercise and their pollution injures all humans and the biome. Buying the ELF was the smartest thing I ever did. And of course we are still free to rent a car or motorcycle if needed but you will discover you don't need one when you live sustainably and responsibly. My car was stealing resources from future generations. I put a stop to my theft. The ELF has $3000 worth of high performance parts, why should they sell it below cost?

I wonder if/when these things would be available outside the US. This is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for.

I want one, its expensive no lie but I'm saving up to get one

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

Awesome! This thing is inspiring, completely different from the other ebikes I've seen out there :)

Good video. There's no mud guard on the inside of the front wheels. Won't the driver get covered in spray when cornering on a wet or muddy road?

@popeyegordon

6 жыл бұрын

Not a problem for most of us but you can add a simple flap if that is a concern. In any case you won't get "covered". A really tiny percentage of the time you are moving is spend in sharp turns in wet. Most turns are not sharp.

I wonder if lining the inside of it with some of that sound reducing foam that you see in music recording studios would reduce the rattling noise? Not coating the entire inside but just putting strips of it here and there ya know?

Awesome !!!DEALER in lubbock texas?

IF IT WERE UNDER £700 I WOULD DEFINITELY BUY ONE.

This looks like an awesome idea, and 1,800mpg with solar assist in a lightweight frame is probably a far more sensible way to do things than a hydrocarbon-powered car, but... Were they really expecting people to pay ten times the price of a used car and nearly the price of some new cars for a tricycle without doors?

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. 1000 owners of the ELF and 200 owners of the new PEBL are elated with the gigantic cash savings every year that no car can offer. We pay no insurance, license, tuneups or fuel costs. In year 6 I have now saved $16,000 because I got rid of my car, the smartest thing I ever did. An old car costs you $30,000 every ten years to own, the ELF costs you $3000 to own and operate for 10 years, a $27,000 savings!! Plus, no pollution and vital exercise in a fun way. Therefore there is no valid cost comparison with owning cars.

Great idea I would love one of those Elf's. The only thing I'm confused about is how to secure the Elf so no one takes it? It could get stolen very easily 😏 and after you spent all that money on it??? Once you secure it so no one could just hop in and take it. I think it would be a big success! Have a good day 😊😎 FL.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

Why do you think such a huge conspicuous bike would be stolen? Where could someone ride it and not be immediately recognized? It is so large it will not fit in a van and it is too large for kids to hide it in the bushes. All bike security measures apply, plus the motor key removes. With 1000 ELFs sold there have been 7 thefts in 7 years. 4 were recovered. Each theft was because it was not properly locked. Strangers can't just "hop in and take it" because they don't even know how to operate it and they will have a hell of a time pedaling away a 160 pound bike without the motor key.

A suggestion for improving this version. The wheels need a rain cover on the inside of the driver's cab. Didn't you think of it? I think it's best if the rain cover is hung on the bike itself instead of integrating it into the cabin.

@popeyegordon

2 жыл бұрын

Not really needed. A few of us have added a small panel to extend the fenders inwards in the area near our knees/thighs but there is no spray when going stright, only when turning over a deep puddle. Mostly avoidable.

if these were affordable I would sooooo own one.

great bike. but I have a question I cant se in the video ore other asking... ? Have do you lock the Bick if you want to leave it some place, so it want be stolen?

@marthajbanks2024

9 жыл бұрын

MarsterKanobi If it were stolen, they wouldn't have the key, so couldn't use the motor. But I've got a good u-lock and a motion-sensing alarm that should be additional deterrent. Plus they're so rare a thief couldn't do much with one. I'm also adding stickers to personalize it..

I live in America, do they make one with bulletproof glass?

i wonder how long it will be before they start racing these ? love to see a sport version the wheels angled for corners more sleek on an oval track .or maybe someone can figure out a trick or two on it . either way really cool idea as is

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

The ELF wheels ARE angled for corners, it is called the tadpole design. The ELF is the heavy SUV of velomobiles with cargo and passenger space. This would be like racing panel trucks or tractors, makes no sense. And there is a strict 20 MPH limiter to keep the vehicle legal on roads.

If this catches on it will might be revolutionary if not then it would fade into bankruptcy. People could use this as taxis, delivering newspapers, mail, etc.

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it could be ahead of its time or just in time. There are enough niche applications to keep the company going for a while but it would be great to see it catch on if gas prices go up again. I almost want to buy one for myself... it's just so cool, like the creative ideas I've heard friends talking about in school but this thing is real!

I would like to know how many miles do you get on one full charge?

That Looooooookssssss...... Beautiful

can you tell me more about transparent material that you used in this Trike

I was wondering if you had a big duffle bag with your things in it for a long bike ride lets say to the indy 500 from Dayton ohio will the bag fit in cargo space also I can picture some nice ham radio in car plus a mobile antenna for out side

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure whether it would fit or not but there is quite a bit of space in the rear. This might be easier with a couple of small duffle bags to even out the weight, one could be put in back and one up front. Here are some close up photos that might help you estimate plus.google.com/photos/+ElectricBikeReview/albums/6012647139439543377

@ka8gov

10 жыл бұрын

that would be neat if I was the first person to have one in Dayton ohio I have not seen one yet on bike trails or on street yet in Dayton

@ElectricBikeReview

10 жыл бұрын

cliff stumpff Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people would be interested. These are cool machines :)

@VideoMusicManiacPlace

9 жыл бұрын

Cliff, if you live in Dayton, as do I. I think this summer you will see me tooling around on one! I'd go no a Indy 500 trek with ya.

Every closed vehicle needs Ventilation System, to drive Moisture away from windshield,Windows..Nice Video,thanks

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

That's why the front floor is open and doors are an option that few want. We don't need no stinkin' doors.

: ] ! Perfect!!

@neilfernando7170

6 жыл бұрын

Denise Facciuto

Hello guys! I'm fallen in love with the Elf. Just a question: I live in a city where thieves steal everything! How can I protect Elf from burglers?

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

All bike security measures apply and the motor key removes. This is a huge 160 pound bike. Kids can't hide it in the bushes and it won't fit in a standard van. But it does sound like you need to move to retain your own human dignity.

Very nice. I want to buy one.

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

Use your search feature to find the site.

hoping i can get one

I agree with Alicia. I have been looking for a trike/scooter/covered bike....whatever. And they are all either in India, China or a prototype that doesn't exist yet. When I do find one, it's $8000. I don't need all the extra stuff if I have to put out 8 grand. Quit doin too much and make what people want. Simple and affordability.

Are these kind of vehicles road legal in the UK? Do they require tax, MOT and insurance? Do you need a licence to drive them? Would be interested to build something like this but with 2 seats.

hey, where can i buy this?

Solar panel? I think must cover back.

@ElectricBikeReview

9 жыл бұрын

KristusSibire VisarijonasSibire Yeah, the solar panel is built into the top of the canopy and can charge the ELF with a full day of sunlight :)

Love it

April 2017 up date - Base price on the ELF is now $8,495 for either the Solo or 2FR. The two tone paint option takes it up to $9,399.95

@popeyegordon

7 жыл бұрын

I predict this is a phase-in tactic for release of ELF version 2.0 which is expected to have rear suspension, regenerative braking and reverse gear plus more. Since there is an approx. 2 month backlog the orders taken now may be getting the upgraded model. I look forward to side by side rubber meeting the road performance testing of ELF vs. PEBL. Acceleration, hill climbing, load carrying, braking, battery range and lighting safety measurements. And the results of two 4000 mile long PEBL trips comparable to what that Canadian and a 74 year old German woman did with their ELFs. Collision testing is very expensive for companies this small and not required.

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

Note he arbitrarily added the nice but rarely chosen two tone paint upgrade. Better to invest in the wide tire option and the computer.

With one rear wheel, do they tip easily?