Saw this in my feed, with out hesitation I clicked. Man I just LOVE Dyson Sphere Program

I love these Master Class videos. It's very helpful to see Early/Mid/Late game build next to each other for comparison. And they are so clean! Looking forward to more of these types of videos on DSP and thank you for providing the Blueprints to your builds. 👌👌👍👍

I discussed it with some more experienced folks when I was building my smelting blueprints, and I decided to stop using pilers entirely. Apparently, they hit FPS quite significantly, but they also caused backup on my supply lines - no matter what I did, I was unable to fully saturate a belt with 30/s 4-stacked product. No matter how I laid out the conveyors, they always ended up carrying 5 to 10% less product than they can support, 10% being the more common productivity loss. This means backing up production facilities, which leads to needing more production facilities, which leads to FPS hits and larger saves, and so on and so forth. I was looking to make dense, fully proliferated builds (yes, I proliferate everything start to finish, because again - same amount of product from fewer facilities). Consequently, I ended up feeding single belts of output into multiple output ILS while the supply ILS provided 4-stacked resource. Overall, I'm happy with this approach, because it's less space occupied per product and I hit more FPS per production volume.

That opening shot with the black hole in the background was epic. I love this game!

OUTSTANDING! Especially about proliferation! As I said earlier many times - you are genius, Nilaus!

Love your designs. Always so clean. Ty

You really are "the tutorial" :). Very neat, organized and well presented builds, thank you. I don't think anyone can surpass the cleanliness of these. What I would like to see your opinion and ideas on are why PLS and not ILS, and how to setup mid-late game logistics, e.g. smelting planet or not, etc.

@VoodooChile_42

Жыл бұрын

I think he's said before in other videos and his livestreams that he considers ILS straight up superior to PLS in every way (not hard to see why). But from a design and coolness factor, it is a nicer concept to have a bunch of local PLS workstations that transfer to a centralized ILS for offworld distribution. So it is both an added challenge and a nicer conceptual design, at the expense of efficiency and a lot of extra logistics to slow down your save file 😅

Great video! As always, thanks for making my DSP games more fun... and effective!

Yay more masterclasses!

My smelter blueprints are aimed at "early" game but with expansion worked in. Basically I have a section at the beginning with 20 or so smelters, a gap for the middle and an end column. This means that I can head to an array and simply copy and paste a section to grow the array and upgrade it as demands require, the end column making it easy to visualise where the next build can be placed down. Got into the habit when blueprint restrictions were tighter than they are now and found it works for me. Also saves having to arrive at a build from a specific direction to avoid it being made from the furthest point to the input/output early on when resources are low or slow.

Thank you Nilaus for sharing your wisdom & advices with us. I really enjoyed that masterclass, even with many hours of gameplay. And you know what? The shortcut to my drive is using PURPLE color.

Great video as always, absolutely love the Masterclasses. I'd really like to see one that deep dives into overall logistics design between ILS, PLS, Fidget Spinners and optimal ways to integrated all of them into a "system design", akin to the Factorio Main Bus/Production Hub concepts. E.g. should I export ore to a smelting planet, what about using an ILS to bring in all of my smelted bars then distribute to PLS at various assembly sites (hub/spoke inter-planetary) or direct to per assembly ILS instances. How to integrate Fidget Spinners w/ the ILS/PLS distribution system for last mile, etc.

Hey Nilaus, thanks for this. :)

Just yesterday i created my own Blueprints for mid game smelting, think i might need to revise it a little with what ive now learned xD great tutorial ^^

There’s a bug in early game steel blueprint, one of sorters is not attached properly. Closest to PLS, can be seen at 8:20

May I suggest oil refinement and sulfuric acid for early and mid game? I always have trouble producing enough until I can find a sulfuric acid ocean. (Or fire ice)

with the new stack inserters you can do 60 plane smelters/belt (and using substations you can fit 178 smelters in the same exact footprint as the design you used) and get up to 360 iron/second per array of smelters. shit is insane

Thank you for a great video and explaining your decision on proliferation. Can you explain your decision to use raw materials for 2 stage products (diamonds, crystals, steel) vice separating them into dedicated sections(all the steel comes from iron instead of iron ore)?

Sometimes i think you are from Germany, because your Builds are always very Efficient. 😄 Thank you for your Master Class builds, these are very helpful and super Easy to Understand.

Absolutely love all of your designs. Thanks for all the work you do. Why is there only 3 blueprints in the folder for late game smelting?

I watched this video and it came along at a good time, as I was just laying down some smelting arrays of my own (the type 2 of this video). I discovered something important. I could not easily put 2 of them in the "temperate" band if I used ILS. PLS would fit fine. Also, I hadn't taken the care that Nilaus has in matching widths and lengths. If I want to have one blueprint that can go in any of 5 bands on one side of the equator (10 in total) I apparently need to use a PLS with them. This seems important information. Perhaps you are saving "why I use PLS" for another video? I look forward to hearing about how you do this.

2 things, without Pilers and once the station and smelters are full, 5 of the smelters will never discharge at all which will mean you lose production, also if you don't mind a half full belt you can have another row of 2-1 smelters per station.

hey bro, hope you're doing awesome, if not, i wish that for you :). take care, and thank you very much, as always :)

A master class on Science would be amazing

I am the Tuotorial

Since you recently did the updated inbound polar hub perhaps an updated outbound/make everything hub or an early/mid/lategame building supply factory.

Thank you for this video. A hole planet with foundation. How I do faster with foundation? Is there a trick or something I not know?

I've been searching a bit and still can't find it. Watching the videos I've seen Nilaus and others drag a line of buildings and adjust the spacing between them. During my search I did find a module you could load that provided that functionality, but it sounds like it has been deprecated and potentially brought in as a part of the game now. Does anybody know how they do it? So far, I can only Shift and Left Click on an existing building to place down one copy of it. Thanks.

Love this game, but the slow down you referenced once you start getting really big hampers it sooo much. In my original game I was producing 100k white cubes per minute, requiring over a million raw ore of each type…as a result each second in game was taking 5-6 seconds irl. It sucks because the game gets more and more enjoyable as you scale up bigger and bigger…unfortunately the game just can’t handle it.

@TheStevedie

7 ай бұрын

Dang, i was hitting 12-15k white cubes a minute and was getting 5fps in most areas. couldn't play anymore. i built a new pc a few months ago....so i started a new game.

How are you getting piled ore OUT of the PLS?

We dont have the same definition early game lmao

whats the song at the end?

If you send stacked stuff into the planetary logistics station, does it unstack? Or do you need to do something at the other end?

my only problem come when i use to much energy it end up making me low on power faster than i could produce

Neat and well organized. Can someone point me to master class to build mach 3 belts stackers?

Love your videos, but I'd like the see the monitor incorporated to know when you run out of raw materials. thanks for the great videos!!!

@Nilaus

Жыл бұрын

I am considering it, but it means that most people will not be able to stamp them down. I am doing this for more complicated builds for sure

Máster classes for DSP 🎉

What are your thoughts on smelting in two steps e.g. having a separate smelting array that takes iron plates and makes steel?

@stevenape377

Жыл бұрын

I'm not Nilaus, so of course feel free to ignore me, but I'd say that as long as you're not proliferating, it creates unnecessary drone activity, costs more belts, and a more complex supply chain, so while it wouldn't be awful to separate it, it's still better not to. Of course that equation changes if you do want to proliferate; steel is more expensive than iron ingots, so it can be somewhat worth it. If you want that, you'd have to separate.

How are you able to make the blueprint thumbnail show multiple items? I can only pick one image per thumbnail.

@AndyDouglas200

Жыл бұрын

The Icon Layout drop-down next to the image lets you select different layouts for the thumbnail. The 1st number is the number of images you can select with different layouts.

I'm sorry if I'm missing something, why is he using MKIII sorters? I understand that he's in the very late game in this particular save and may not have MK1s, but is there another reason? I understand the 2 step builds need a MKII sorter to keep up between the two smelters. Thanks in advance!

@Nilaus

Жыл бұрын

as soon as I have MK3 sorters I will no longer carry the lower tiers. Simply not worth filling your inventory with inferior versions when the difference in power consumption is negligible

When is the master class on proliferation coming?

Why are we using Planetary stations instead of Interplanetary?

@nudgeynald3755

Жыл бұрын

im not qualified but use local vs global unless you want a pipe out - i think its easy to just use ips with the extra slot but its fit for purpose

@nudgeynald3755

Жыл бұрын

also you need to make sure you set properly with ips or you will maybe end up sending vessels on a long run

at what point is this early game? =

Personally, I call them the central bands, outer bands, and caps. It's more universally applicable than tropical zone, and sector sounds a little too dispassionate for my taste.

I disagree that proliferation is unnecessary for things like smelting. It is true that 1 iron isn't worth a nanotube and some coal, but thats not the right ratio. Mk 3 proliferating iron ingot production gives 12 less ore required, at a cost of 2 coal, 2 spiniform, and 0.5 kimberlite. That is a good trade I feel, assuming you have an ocean planet somewhere.

@Nilaus

Жыл бұрын

consider the increased power, increased logistics and the fact that you can no longer fit 30 in this space then it becomes a really bad idea even if you feel the resources is a good trade off

@deredware9442

Жыл бұрын

@@Nilaus You no longer need to fit 30 to fill a belt, only 24 due to the productivity. I'm usually building processors and/or turbines on the same planet, so I already have proliferators there anyways. Power is a bit of a concern, but that's mostly free late game once you have suns and antimatter made with a big enough sphere. The real tradeoff I think is space. You get more out of the same footprint with proliferators. Though it doesn't exactly use up a whole 2 sectors.

@ruukinen

6 ай бұрын

@@deredware9442 You also get some power savings back in the form of less smelters used, and thus also less sorters. It will not make up for the 100% increased usage for just one step but it means you don't actually use the full 100% extra to get the same amount of product. I guess you could also include the power saving from fewer trips to bring ore.

If you care about power consumption this much, why not use Mk I Sorters with the Arc Smelters?

@Nilaus

Жыл бұрын

check the scale of difference in power consumption

No proliferation in your designs?

@Nilaus

Жыл бұрын

I explained why in the video. Waste of expensive Spiniform to get extra cheap iron/copper

@Nilaus I appreciate the effort but unfortunately have to disagree, I could see how you could make this far more space efficient, I know a few people that are above and beyond in efficiency. I could link you to them if you like

I think we have a different defiintion of "early game"

I'm a bit sad, because this Masterclass feels more like a Blueprint showcase. Unlike the Factorio Masterclasses, were you built the design during the video and explained everything while building. Here you mostly stand in the finished product and talk about it. There seems to be missing something contentwise. Maybe it's because DSP designes are so easy, but I still wanted to share my thoughts.

@MarekGamer76

Жыл бұрын

The design on these is literally sorter in/sorter out, or smelter to smelter sorter for 2 step smelts, nothing complex to dive into. Factorio requires a lot more complex belt/pipe/train integration into a build. It's almost like a Factorio w/ isolated assembly locations w/ trains instead of a belt system, where the complexity of the train mechanics are solved by logistics ships.

@Nilaus

Жыл бұрын

I will do that when the designs are more complex than in/out and in this one I wanted to present 9 designs, so it would be too long to build it all

@raynel1000

Жыл бұрын

@@Nilaus whats the song at the end?

maybe i misunderstand but you're discussing early game and you have logistic systems with dozens of iron smelters... that's not early game at all. not sure i get what you're trying to explain.

@ruukinen

6 ай бұрын

I mean it's for when you land on your second planet. That is still very early game. At first you might just need one for each ore but if you are going to build it, why not build it to output one full belt immediately instead of making compromises at that stage? I guess you could call it midgame instead but anything before that is mostly jury rigging stuff together to get to this stage in the first place.

@cellamuert

6 ай бұрын

@@ruukinen i was an innocent newbie 11 months ago lol. i would still softly argue that anything beyond red cubes and into yellow is mid-game, and the game just has a very long mid-game. but, you're right you're just rigging things to get you off the planet still so i wouldn't debate it too hard.

you know for me building gigantic blocks of smelters or assemblers is not really that fun. also building the Dyson sphere at the end also not that fun. I like leveling through the game. I like to figure out how to build my factory in different configurations different ways. I like setting up mining on different planets. I like exploring other planets.

@Nilaus

Жыл бұрын

so you like to make a new design for Iron smelting on every planet you land on? That doesn't sound fun to me. It is fun to design, but once you have a design you are happy with then use it and focus on the rest of the game

@ruukinen

6 ай бұрын

The building of the dyson sphere is something of the most visually stunning actual gameplay elements I have seen in any game ever. I'd say it's worth it for just that.

This is brilliant . may i ask if u work in any form in logistics