Hey guys, if you’re interested in 2 extra shows per month and access to all bonus segments with guests subscribe to our Patreon! www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse

@jimgerhardt7025

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely worth it!

@badkarmaonezero2010

2 жыл бұрын

Another excellent podcast, is there any chance of getting Dan Schilling the author of Alone At Dawn which chronicles John Chapman's story on the show? It would great to hear him expand on the what Sean Naylor discussed and talk about his own experience as an Air Force Combat Controller

@CompletelyLawless

2 жыл бұрын

How much of a donation would it take to come watch an episode live in the studio? I’ll buy a piece of gear for the new studio. Live in Hoboken so easy commute.

@georgecoull1883

2 жыл бұрын

You guy's are a couple of American badasses

The drone footage was embarrassing to the Navy and the Seals as they tucked tails and ran, while one man stayed and killed as manny as he could before finally giving his life. Good thing the new movie coming out with Jake Gyllenhal “Combat Controller” highlights this.

@thelogicalcaveman9139

4 ай бұрын

They had multiple wounded and believed one missing and one dead. They were under massive fire. They only choice was to break contact to a better pos. You clearly know nothing about the full mission or that one helo had been shot down trying to land there.

@X-CaliRep-X

4 ай бұрын

@@thelogicalcaveman9139 Considering I was there, I’d say I know exactly what was going on. The entire thing started because Neil Robert’s fell out of a helicopter that had to make a sudden maneuver to dodge an RPG - hence “The Battle for Robert’s Ridge”. Deployed with the seals was John Chapman, who I had met while we were stateside while he was tdy to Moody AFB, deployed with the Rangers was Jason Cunningham, who I was friends with at Moody AFB while being part of the 38th RQS (I was deployed with both when Robert’s fell out of the helicopter) Outside of the drone footage, if you care to look into the politics and controversy of Chapman’s MOH as it relates to the Dept of the Navy and how they actively fought it while also making false claims about their actions (reference the book “Alone at Dawn”) it’ll give you a full picture of why it was embarrassing to the Navy, specifically the Seals as their account of what happened and what they said happened was vastly different from what the drone footage shows.

The John Chapman story cannot be told without saying how the Navy broke faith with both Chapman and the Air Force. Rather than admit any mistakes or wrong doing on the part of the SEAL's in general and Britt Slabinski in particular, they held up Chapman's award upgrade to Medal of Honor for years. At every turn, the Navy rejected Chapman's actions took place and only when it was agreed to upgrade Slabinski to MOH as well, did Chapman get his full due.

@stevenvaldez4420

Жыл бұрын

Marcus luttrul said in an interview the seals shot Chapman in the back

@Vnachi8

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenvaldez4420 there's Predator drone coverage of the entire event. Nobody know's where the first wounds came from, but he was clearly killed by enemy forces who surrounded him after several hours of fighting alone. But I don't understand how Luttrul has any first hand knowledge. That was a Team 6 mission that took place before Luttrul was even a SEAL.

@TroubleActual

Жыл бұрын

​@@stevenvaldez4420. Really? I didn't hear that. I'm trying to find somebody that tells the whole story and what went wrong

@klk1900

8 ай бұрын

The only reason it was brought up again was for recruiting purposes. Believe it or not everytime we bring ops up Blackhawk down, lone survivor, etc people hit the recruiting stations-- but It doesnt matter what it is , combat, structure firefighting, etc. you never do what Chapman did. People don’t understand it was dark outside. Your watching a FLIR. Chapman didnt go to the huddle for a head count. He just took off on a Lone Ranger mission and it cost him his life. Literally all he had to do is take the extra 5seconds to get SA. It’s no different than clearing a room. You want 2 guys for sure but 4 is the SOP in most units. They were still in a huddle making a plan when they realized Chapman had just took off on his own. The biggest issue I have is he literally made it impossible for them to call in air when they needed. Eventually it got so bad they just had to call in air. But slab and them knew if Neil was alive he wouldn’t be up there. -- now this was just a typical battlefield incident. They did risk mitigation via watching the LZ for 12hrs + before and didn’t see anyone. It was just the OGAs warned the enemy a week in advance. Just like torabora. . But American hubris is why it’s Been blown up into something it’s not. -- now I would say, Chapman was just new and and didn’t know. The problem is he had been involved with 2 other incidents I know of where he went against the command. One of them was slab and Chapman went against the command and had to apologize for endangering the life of a air crew just a couple days before this. Normally those guys that are in it for themselves they don’t last long. It may sound honorable to the layman but really you just endanger everyone. This is why we gotta watch new guys so close.

@profd65

8 ай бұрын

I'm not a military tactician, but Chapman simply looked reckless and ignorant. There's no way what he did was protocol or something that was planned in advance. I mean, a combat controller charging an occupied bunker basically by himself? That was the play drawn up on the chalkboard on the helicopter? I'm not buying it. I'm not denying that the man was brave, but what he did simply made no sense. If bravery is the only thing it takes to receive a Medal of Honor then of course give him one. But again there's nothing I saw in the video that made military sense.

Excellent episode guys, I've been waiting for an episode featuring the John Chapman story!

@stevenvaldez4420

Жыл бұрын

Marcus luttrul said in an interview the seals shot Chapman in the back

Basically the seals weren’t prepared, they left chapman behind and the navy covered it up, and continue to do so today. They even cockblocked the Airforces attempt to give him a Medal of Honor, only agreeing to it if sablinksi got one as well. It’s bullshit. Chapman was a fucking savage. An absolute hero.

@stevenvaldez4420

Жыл бұрын

Marcus luttrul said in an interview the seals shot Chapman in the back

@katyg3873

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenvaldez4420 wouldn’t surprise me.

@profd65

8 ай бұрын

So tired of hearing this. What Chapman did couldn't have been protocol or what was planned. Sure he was brave, but he also looked ignorant and reckless. He basically rushed forward like an action hero, and got shot. How does a combat controller charging an enemy bunker basically by himself makes any sense? I guarantee you when the Rangers came in later and actually succeeded in taking that mountaintop they didn't do it the way Chapman and the Seals tried to do it. I mean, if Medals of Honor are awarded purely for bravery then Chapman deserves one, but there's no other reason to give him one that I can see.

@katyg3873

8 ай бұрын

@@profd65 you sir are, an idiot. Chapman thought the seals were with him. Protocol is you move towards a contact. You attack the attacker. The seals just left him.

@thelogicalcaveman9139

4 ай бұрын

@@profd65tell me you know zero about the battle without saying it

The Men, the mission, and me. By Pete Blaber for more story… good interview guys!

@Redlight25

2 жыл бұрын

Good book

@weaponrecords8474

2 жыл бұрын

The part with gorilla suit in the snatch and grab mission was brilliant.

@thelogicalcaveman9139

4 ай бұрын

Great book pair it with roberts ridge, operation anaconda, alone at dark, and not a good day to die all cover the battle at different levels

Love this book. Showcases all 3 tiers of operations.

I learned this entire story from the XBOX Game "Medal of Honor"

@BallZakc

2 жыл бұрын

“For rabbit”

@katamariroller2837

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ, dude, that videogame was not accurate at all. I hope you looked more in depth into this whole thing rather than take what the videogame showed at face value.

@nick-314

2 жыл бұрын

@@katamariroller2837 can only put so much into a movie or video game. Anything short of a full documentary is going to cut corners and fold people and events into others. It is a case of the real events being way more interesting than the media could do justice.

@youreadingleberry7434

2 жыл бұрын

yeahhhhh, you didn't learn shit lmao

@Zeppelin9113

Жыл бұрын

yeeettt

Naylor also wrote, "Relentless Strike"-very good! Delta Team leader Blaber worked the war criminal apprehension in northern Bosnia early 1996. I was with 3-5 CAV (1st into BiH after Dayton). The individual personal ID info came from G. Rachic's police chief near Brka, BiH.

There was a training incident in 3rd Ranger Battalion where a young PFC was inadvertently left on an objective after his Platoon got on MH-47s and flew off. That Platoon Leader and Platoon Sergeant were immediately relieved. Nobody gives a rip about Lts in Battalion since they're temporary tourists, but to become a PSG in Ranger Regiment is a big deal that takes many years of exemplary performance, so that was a hard but deserved consequence. When ST6 left their JTAC alone on a hill in combat, they gave the SEAL officer the MoH. That's really one of the best ways to summarize the stark cultural differences between the 2 communities. Had that training incident been in a Marine or Army Infantry unit, there would have been Letters of Reprimand at a minimum, relief for cause very likely as well, at least in that era. God only knows what they're doing nowadays. The things I'm seeing and hearing are unrecognizable to the military we were in back then. The decimation of the NCO corps via cultural reconditioning is one of the main aspects of the degradation in the force.

@TheTeamHousePodcast

2 жыл бұрын

I was on that training exercise...The Ranger who got left behind had been one of my privates before I left for HHC.

@sauljahboi5965

2 жыл бұрын

Red Wings seems to have been another ineptly planned and executed op by the Teams. And they gave the SEAL Officer(who had even accidentally shot another SEAL student during training) the MoH. This seems to be their default modus operandi for f*** ups. Once you award the MoH people don't question the details.

@LRRPFco52

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheTeamHousePodcast What was the PSG like? Were you surprised when you heard about it?

@LRRPFco52

2 жыл бұрын

@@sauljahboi5965 Since Grenada, they've never let a total abortion of a mission get turned down for a recruiting opportunity. Panama was another example of total insanity in planning and execution for them, got a bunch of dudes killed needlessly on the Patilla Airfield. Six even brought MP5s to a rifle and machinegun fight, were hopelessly out-gunned. Everyone knew what the PDF had in terms of weapons because the US had permanent units from all branches stationed all over the canal zone.

@TheTeamHousePodcast

2 жыл бұрын

@@LRRPFco52 I don't recall anyone getting relieved but I'm not sure, I was in sniper section at the time. Now that I think about it though, I do recall prior controversies with the PSG and yeah, he was fired a few months later.

24th are the baddest dudes on the battlefield!

Mission first. Love life enough to die trying to prove you do. God bless the fallen. You did not fail. I miss you.

WoW ty brothers

One of the CCT, on another AFO team was/is? a Washington State Patrol trooper. He was the CCT attached to the SAS/SBS recce that was with AFO.

@simonyoung1265

2 жыл бұрын

I was part of that SASR element..

@vitigaymer1053

Жыл бұрын

It was Aussie SAS not 22

@floydster23

2 ай бұрын

@@simonyoung1265 Could be complete BS, but word at the time was that JSOC were barely even aware the SASR team were in the area until the chaos broke out, they paid so little attention to them. I've seen the slide show Jim Hotaling had done many years ago with a few photos from the patrol, and he spoke very highly of the team.

Hi Sean,I showed this to Mark

Aus SASR were in this battle as well

@simonyoung1265

2 жыл бұрын

That's right...

@magnusred2945

7 ай бұрын

@@simonyoung1265 Hello Simon, can you please get on a podcast or something similar and tell your part of the story? Its an important part of history

You guys should have on somebody to tell Real story of operation Red wings. Because as we know the movie Lone Survivor is more propaganda than what really happened. There is even video on KZread filmed by Taliban during ambush. Marcus and his guys were ambushed by 7 max 15 people not "hundreds".. And when fhe Afghan man found Marcus He had all 11 mags full of ammo on him so there was no fighting from Marcus. Just run for survival.. If He were fighting He would Die with his guys as well..

@scallen3841

2 жыл бұрын

If comms were spotty from the beginning they should have never , done the mission in the first place

@G4x5da

2 жыл бұрын

Americans tend to embellish enemy size, EKIA and their own heroics, etc. in awards citations. Then Hollywood ups the game even more.

@gotmikl3075

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, that's a strong accusation. You seem to insinuate that Luttrell acted in a cowardly fashion, even to the extent of abandoning his brothers. Where is did you get that info from? Seems unlikely that he didn't fight at all. 15 enemy on 4 SEALs is a very lopsided proposition without the element of surprise and overwhelming firepower, of which they had neither. They were also fighting an enemy in good cover that knew the terrain and held the high ground. Please identify your sources and be sure to include the source for him running away and how many magazines they started with. I'm sure it was not as Hollywood as it was portrayed, and was likely far more brief so even if he only shot out the mag in the gun that would e 30 aimed shots, while bounding downhill under heavy fire. Anyway, I'm interested in doing the research, so please quote your sources.

@jirihutecka9020

2 жыл бұрын

@@gotmikl3075 THey had no element of surprise?? Bro you know nothing about this operation LOL. They were ambushed at worst place possible. So steep hill(they were above them) that they couldn't even run. Here you have the video kzread.info/dash/bejne/d5lmkrx7lcfLps4.html and in description and also comment section more info...

@scallen3841

2 жыл бұрын

@@gotmikl3075 we haven't heard the full truth yet you can watch the ambush video taken by the taliban , when they attacked the american's . The man who found marcus even said he had all his full load , the mission should have never gone forward in the first place without proper comms . American support for the war on terror was fading , they needed a hero

This guy needs to be on the podcast again, PLEASE. Awesome episode guys!!!

The issue with Somalia 93' was Washington not allowing a Specter to be on station. It wasn't Gen. Garrison's fault. Similar to the complications with the Blue RECCE team having to land on the X . Being the fault of off site commanders . Like Air Force Gen.Trambone. Who had no background in these type operations. Yet still refused to listen to Blaber. When the other Chinook brought the BLUE AFO team back to retrieve Roberts. The door gunner spotted combatants and informed the pilots. The gunner couldn't fire on the enemy because he has to get permission from the pilot to do so. Only than will the pilots turn the weapons hot. So the gunner can engage. Which is just ,dumb!

@MrGunwitch

Жыл бұрын

An AC-130 is entirely unsuited to that kind of built up urban environment, it would’ve resulted in potentially thousands of civilian deaths. The whole op (Mog) was fubar, that kind of S&G should never be done in broad daylight. As for the door gunner thing, you need coordination between the crew chief and the pilots you can’t just go blazing away Willy Nilly. Amongst other things it puts a giant X on the chopper.

@brycemcqueen2235

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGunwitch I disagree! Task Force Ranger begged to have a Specter on station. Politics didn't allow them too!?! It would have been perfect for the egress and ingress of the QRF convoy etc. A lot more accurate than gun runs by little birds too !? . Even if the weapon platforms were not used? It could have navigated and I.D. targets etc for the troops on the ground. ? Especially in 93' being that there wasn't the tech used today. I forget the exact title, (Falcon View ) I believe?? The navigator uses a IPAD type device which communicates with a satellite? Military grade map quest wasn't around back in 93' . As I said a Specter could've been used for navigation. Instead of command control flying around at 10ft trying to direct troops with the naked eye , binoculars, scopes and a lap map. Before drones and Falcon view, specters were tasked with navigation . They still do, though Drones have generally filled that role.

@MrGunwitch

Жыл бұрын

@@brycemcqueen2235 I know, and I realise it was also mentioned in the 'findings/recommendations' debrief. You make a good point about nav. Perhaps if there had been proper liaising with Task Force 10th and the UN forces stationed there it could well have been a welcome addition. My fear/speculation though is that without that integration of operations the temptation would've been too great to resist unloading the Spectre arsenal once the mission went pear shaped and the guys were trapped. Ultimately, going in broad daylight as they did (with repeat tactics no less) was always going to result in choppers getting shot down and a general shit fight. The Op was pretty much doomed from the get-go and only resulted in a unifying of warring clans and total defeat for the overall mission.

@brycemcqueen2235

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree. Generally not a practical daytime tool? Most of the casualties were during the day ? So I get what you're saying .

I think someone needs to address the issue that the Navy, not wanting to be called out for leaving a man behind (I think anyone would have tried to save the living if you thought Chapman was dead), tried to say that it was a Chechen on Chechen (red on red) incident filmed by the overhead drone camera. That would require a Chechen combatant, who travelled there with his brothers from another country, having been on that mountain building bunkers and emplacements for 6 months, with his brothers, to have begun shooting uphill and in all directions, including killing a comrade at close range in broad daylight. But ok, let's just pretend. Sure, he would have known the ridge like the back of his hand. Sure, he would have known his comrades better than his own family by that point. So he get confused and starts shooting up the mountain at a DSHKA (12.7 mm anti air craft gun in a bunker 50 meters up the mountain), because maybe the Americans had brought it with them. Or had taken over the bunker. Fine. So then this renegade Chechen he kills one of his comrades in broad daylight 5 meters away. Sure, they're both dressed in the same uniform as each other and sure they're speaking Chechen but let's just pretend. He's confused. He thinks it was an American coming to kill him with his AK 47 while speaking Chechen. Fine. What I cannot fathom though is that he would not have gotten his bearings when he had to kill yet another Chechen comrade in hand to hand combat at bad breath distance? Would his comrade not have simply said "Hey, Ahmed, it's me Mohammed, stop trying to kill me" or something? The whole thing is ridiculous and it's serious black eye to the Navy to try to maintain this fiction even now.

@kxkxkxkx

2 жыл бұрын

They appealed to inherent racism to cover their own sorry butts... "No way the Navy could be that effed up, there must have been some secret Chechens that were the super tards!" /All flag officers sagely nod along in agreement There is literally nobody in the military incentivized to speak the truth unless their own life literally hangs in the balance - part of why Jack and Dave have such a vital job 🇺🇸

@gotmikl3075

2 жыл бұрын

@@kxkxkxkx This incident had nothing to do with racism. It's racism 24/7 with you kids these days. If anyone wanted to level a charge of stupidity, it's easy to do because the average Afghan has a third grade education; Chechens only slightly better, particularly where these fighters are being recruited. Regardless, they know warfare and have been fighting their whole lives, and everyone, including the Navy, knows that. Your "progressive", baseless nonsense gets no play here. PS - The caucuses, where these people are from, are the origin of the word Caucasian. So they're the same race as the people who you're accusing, without evidence of any kind, of racism. Unless you're saying that they're the Navy race ... whatever that is. Blue people I presume?

@kxkxkxkx

2 жыл бұрын

@@gotmikl3075 your reading comprehension needs improvement. Obviously I was referring only to the Navy's reaction. You seem to be triggered by the word "racism". I wonder why that is LOL

@gotmikl3075

2 жыл бұрын

@@kxkxkxkx - Right, everyone is a racist except you, of course, which we know because people like you who go around accusing everyone else of racism are above suspicion. Avoiding blame is the reason the Navy said what they said. The Navy's response has nothing to do with racism, which I said openly. If you have some evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

@Rodems1

Жыл бұрын

Well also did the chechen put on Chapman's ir strobe and make calls to his fellow combat controllers during as well.....

It’s all good but that repeatly “um” sound is killing me I

"The Mission, the men and me" by Pete Blaber...

@katamariroller2837

2 жыл бұрын

I read the book. While Blaber clearly has some basic insights into successful military operations, the whole book had one of those "larger than life macho warrior alpha ape" attitudes to it that I find distasteful. I would recommend the book to anyone wanting to understand what leadership is like/about, but I would discourage anyone from trying to be like Blaber if he is the way the book suggests.

82ND AIRBORNE Chapman out performed Everybody that day...Period.

Upper navys command decision to try and circumvent the preparation, acclimation, and Intel from the guys that got in their positions overlooking the battlefield resulted in the evisceration of their teams involved. The fact that they tried to cut out the ground command by transmitting on their own channel is akin to negligent homicide to try and further their carriers. Chapman and others were the victims in this failed command and Slab was a accessory to it. The fact they failed and had the gall to block Chapman's medal is a disgusting stain on America and Chapman's real heroic actions.

@14:00 Alan Mack states in his recent interview on the Combat Story podcast that Neil Roberts was shot in the thigh and fell out taking the rear gunner who tried to catch him out with him. The rear gunner was left dangling in the air by his harness as the helicopter flew down the mountain.

@thelogicalcaveman9139

4 ай бұрын

No way to know if he shot before hand or after

Australian sasr were also involved.

Wish this was more in depth read his book. Should have dug deeper on what happened on top of that Ridge.

@thelogicalcaveman9139

4 ай бұрын

It’s pretty deep lol but there is more books over this battle

As I understand it, having read/looked into nearly every available perspective & theory (Though by no means believing myself to be an expert or smarter than Naylor) Roberts didnt *jump* so much as his fall was a combination of several of the elements mentioned. He'd unclipped a bit early, whether due to adrenaline or/and a misunderstanding of the pilots urging is unclear, and shortly thereafter the turbulence as well as the now lubricated ramp threw him from the Heli. Reportedly a crewman did actually manahe to (briefly) grab a hold of him, but he was functionally not only deadweight (In simple regards to having no anchoring & essentially being off-ramp, obviously not in regards to his vitals or skill) but PARTICULARLY heavy thanks to all of his gear, which added something like an extra 80-110lbs. Really tragic stuff and just the first of many horrors on an op that was *fucked* from conception onward.

..another lesson learned, never make the aviators the ground element commander,whether JSOTF or JSOC itself, there' s a limit to "jointness." Trebon and Dailey, (both aviators) should have never been in charge. Shooters should be in charge not bus drivers.

@G4x5da

2 жыл бұрын

JSOC is comprised of more than just “shooters”. JSOC is a 10.000+ logistical/bureaucratic machine that has 9 support specialist for every operator. And Has very complex (no notice) transport, aviation and logistical movements. Officers with a aviation background tend to understand the 3D space and logistics better than prior operators/infantrymen.

@roninsct7017

2 жыл бұрын

@@G4x5da spoken like a non- combat type..professionals talk logistics and amateurs talk tactics but experience has taught me that SO should be led by operators..

@G4x5da

2 жыл бұрын

@@roninsct7017 THEY WERE OPERATORS. Both served in combat roles in SOCOM/JSOC units. They have extensive experience in JSOC operations. Something tells me you never were in the military, so shut up

@manuellabor2759

2 жыл бұрын

Use of the word Operators is misleading. They were both Pilots, Command elements of 160th...not Shooters/Operators like Ronin is starting & saying they understand the situation better is hilarious.

@G4x5da

2 жыл бұрын

@@manuellabor2759 mostly all the JSOC commanders didn’t have SMU operator/shooter experience. Most of them “only” have served in SF or the 75th (like Dailey). There are only so many flag officers with SMU experiences.

So many people commenting have no clue of this story or what was happening and had happened before and during this battle. Lots of great videos and books cover this and explain the battle in great detail. This battle was at 10k feet above sea level in knee deep snow. They landed under massive massive fire and suffered multiple wounded almost immediately and they had to fall back. Slab didn’t just say fuck you bro. He did a quick check on Chapman who he had seen go down and broke contact because they had no way to get him. Note they have already lost one other seal also.

big thing that happens is the lack of communication from higher and cordinating between elements its a total cluster by time it gets down to guys on the ground its all messed up. and officers are fighting over whos getting to claim they was in control for clout and rank

Shame that the author Sean Naylor didn’t give A F about this interview that he couldn’t brush up on his work & be better prepared.

@Billy1690-ws8jz

4 ай бұрын

Umm

"im just like you fellow totally not feds"

Politics getting involved in what is always a dogfuck on ground - everyone was brave.

This guys brain can’t get the proper words out n hence the ahhh n ohhh ahhh he doesn’t want to say something that he will regret later and sadly that’s how we live today . To all my fellow soldiers marines etc happy belated Veterans Day love all my sisters n brothers in arms

👍

WTF was the SEAL leader awarded the medal of honor for that engagement when he clearly did nothing but leave John behind?

@thelogicalcaveman9139

4 ай бұрын

You clearly know nothing about the battle

Of course, you don’t want to fly helicopters anywhere near your infil! These guys(Afghans/Muj) are friggin experts of experts at shooting down Birds. They learned through OJT from many many years of shooting down Russian helicopters. Of which we gave the training and weapons to take these helicopters out with. Crazy!

SEALs showed their true colors during and after this event

@thelogicalcaveman9139

4 ай бұрын

Tell me you know nothing about the battle without saying it

@goodluck2522

4 ай бұрын

@thelogicalcaveman9139 is this the one where they got people killed because they bit off more than they could chew, when they left someone behind and lied about it, or when they killed a green beret then lied about it? I might have lost track

Actually, we brought johnne deer gators

The dude didn't follow protocols which is move together instead he moved alone like a hero and died alone 😅 well can't blame the others since they ain't close as they are from 2 diff service

Chese and rice, this guy can't get to the point if it were right in front him

Btw every military unit we had screwed up early on. Delta at tora bora was a total shii show. The guys that are honest not full of ego will tell you they screwed up everywhere from lack enemy/battle space knowledge . That said. I didn’t see anything unacceptable. The point of a war is throw your humans at the enemies meat grinder and see who can jam the grinder first. A lot of military / public safety members that don’t understand what they sign up for are the ones that make a big deal out of it. Surviving doesn’t = success. Success is only measured by did you jam the meat grinder?. Your going to lose battles exactly like the best football / racing teams will not win every game or race. Americans have this unrealistic expectation of what war actually is. Hence why they try hanging guys for dying on the battle field when that’s expected and a given. You will not win every game. So either understand that or stop playing. -- I raced from 4-25 and I was good at roadcourse, very short 0.25 and sspeedways 1.50-2mi. The 0.50 tracks I wasn’t good at. Mainly because I didn’t build cars for those. I never cared for them. In firefighting I hate brush/wild land it’s just easy to get in a world of hurt. I absolutely hate furniture store fires with all the material and chemical properties like foams & plastic. The smoke will knock you out! So we drain our SCBAs like crazy. We aren’t setup for that kind of bottle usage -- my point is hostage rescue teams in 2001-2002 were not designed to do those types of operations. Now rest assured, they are very good at this today. But in any business you will have things you can do on paper, but your not designed or current in the real world experience dept. to be a world expert. Simply From lack of experience or the equipment. Just like the 160th wasn’t designed to be deployed more than 30-60 days or so in 2001. If we have another conflict, we will have more roberts ridges and redwings. Understand these were even a war really. A war is where you will lose 5,000-15,000 troops every 7 days. Ukraine they’ve lost 800k-1million now.

This is one of the best books I've read in a long time. Excellent research, and the story is told in a very readable manner. Operation Anaconda stands for the proposition that Air Force folks should stick to Air Force stuff, Navy folks should focus on things around the oceans, and leave land combat missions to the Army and Marine Corps.

So if you want the real story with context. They basically needed to get people on the hill, it was still dark. They had watched the LZ for 12hours or more to check for bad guys gunship/drone etc. They saw nobody at all. (SO THEY DID RISK MITIGATION, THEY DIDNT JUST BLINDLY FLY IN) - they go to infill and see footprints within 10 seconds they get shot up and rpg hits center of the helo. Kills electric & hydraulics they dive off. I think when hyd pressure went, the ramp dropped, dumping roberts and the crew chief. -- that wasn’t the screw up that was just Murphy’s law a typical battle field incident. The screw up is the air assets allowed the last helo to go to the same LZ when 2 birds had been shot up beyond repair in the same spot. -- but all of it was a typical battle field incident.

Uh uh uh uh uh

Entire OP was a dumpster fire

@thelogicalcaveman9139

4 ай бұрын

Yes it was

Not a very good storyteller (terrible) but a great story

Slabinski got the medal of honor and a SEAL master chief just a regular American badass 🇺🇸

@georgecoull1883

2 жыл бұрын

Oh hell! The video of operation anaconda doesn't match up with what the Master Chief says. WTF ?????

@stevenvaldez4420

Жыл бұрын

Marcus luttrul said in an interview the seals shot Chapman in the back

@georgecoull1883

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenvaldez4420 I've seen the video and I can't tell if they didn't see Chapman or knew he was down, but it's ridiculous how many people died on Roberts ridge

@joeschmidt4991

Жыл бұрын

Slab is a liar and a coawrd.

@thelogicalcaveman9139

4 ай бұрын

@@georgecoull1883slab thought he was dead because he had seen him go down. Slab already had one MIA and was taking wounded. He was under massive fire and had to break contact or risk being wiped out

Why are these British or Australian guys telling stories about the United States military.

@Ry43deck

3 ай бұрын

It happens vice versa too.

What’s insane is I guarantee the JOC where the Rangers are do not have the predator feed which is only privy to SEAL Team 6 DEVGRU. Only explanation as to why they landed anywhere near there!

@GATOR_MCLUSKY

4 ай бұрын

alot about that and the command at 10th mountain was flipping out about. they pulled the command in the middle of it from guys on the ground to a group in oman. the comms betwen evreryone is terrible. i mean who decided drop the rangers in the sames spot and be shot down lol 3 damn birds in same grid