You are very good to explain these things.with a solid self-awareness on what is relevant from a viewer-perspective. Impressive and your work is appreciated, you also landed my subscr. a few days ago. well done channelholder.

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you--very kind comments. Thanks for watching.

@jameskeys8263

3 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree you are an excellent trainer

Great instructional video. Very well explained and covering all the details you need to know on how to implement the wireless trainer function. Well done sir. 5*

@RCVideoReviews

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Yet another well thought out review, well done

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alan. Thanks for watching.

Another great video! Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I´ve been struggling with a small detail... calibrating without centering the throttle in the student radio.... and getting a 0-200 range in the channel 3 of the trainer radio. When I watched the video for the 3rd time I got it!

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

Good job! Glad the video helped out.

Awesome info, thanks for sharing! 🤠👍

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

That's awesome, i need to set this up with my son's radio to teach his daughter!

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a really nice tool. Just be aware, range isn't too far. In my testing, we had to be within about 8' from each other.

Good stuff! Thanks

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. Appreciate the comment.

Hey John, updates on the TX16S trainer connection. The PPM trainer socket at the top of the Radio is pretty well useless for a Buddy Cord to another Tx. The 4-contact socket is a non-standard 3.5mm Cliff Electronics unit and, even when we got the correct plug/cable, the connection proved less than rock solid. So we added a cheap FS-A8S PPM/I-BUS/S-BUS powered by the neg (second bottom) and + (3rd from bottom) pins in the External Bay when the "External Module" is activated and soldered a fly lead to the 3rd contact of the Trainer Socket (PPM Output/Input)to plug into the PPM output of the A8S. An XH balance lead makes a convenient connector for the power leads and is short enough to allow the bay lid to be replaced. The PPM fly lead can be withdrawn to allow the Tx back to be removed or an External Module to be added in the future. The A8S covers our TX16S and FS-i6/S student Radios and can be substituted for any other Tx/Rx combo with a PPM output. According to others on the RC Groups forums, the TX16S (unlike the Frsky QX7 etc) doesn't have a suitable S-Bus or PPM pin in the module bay pins. Seems odd, but the Trainer contact works.

Great video! But I have an issue with the connection. I have 2 Horus x10S Express but Im not able to bind it, both starts beeping but no positive result or bound. On master radio you put "Master/Multi" but on the student what you I put? Slave/Jack?

Is this not possible on the qx7? can't seem to enable both the internal and external modules at the same time...

G'day John. You have set this up with the External (non-multi) module talking to the plane and the Internal (multi mode) module receiving from the student radio. Painless360 in his video of May 19 2020 has shown a wireless trainer set-up but using an External (multi mode) Jumper 4-in-1 module receiving from the student radio and the Internal (multi mode) module talking to the plane. So the JR Bay connectors can act as both input and output from/to the receiver/transmitter function. This stuff is admittedly way beyond my understanding but I was wondering if there was any way to connect a simple receiver via those bay connectors to receive the student commands? Or would any circuitry needed to transform say a cheap Flysky PWM/i-BUS/S-BUS/PPM receiver outputs to a form that the Internal Module can process make the process impractical/impossible?

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure there is some way to wire an external Rx to the bay to receive student commands. I haven't tried it. That is a very specific solution and while an interesting idea I don't know there'd be broad appeal for it. XJT modules are pretty cheap and it just works that way with no fuss. Using an external Multi Module would be quite easy too. If you work it out, let me know though. I love that kind of thinking.

Very cool

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking this would be a great way for Chris and I or Dave and I to take turns flying planes. Dunno why I didn't do this sooner.

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimsnodgrass8454 I didn't intend to advocate for the use of +=, just needed to show what it did. I can see how that QTB would be beneficial. Neat idea. OpenTx is great. I've trained my fair share of pilots just passing the Tx back and forth, so any of this is icing on the cake for me.

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimsnodgrass8454 If I recall, your trainees might be a little younger than mine..?

super, any 4in1 2.4 ghz multiprotocol will work ?

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

No, the 4in1 must support an RX protocol like FRSKYRX or DSMRX.

Will a jumper 4 in 1 external multiprotocol module work as well as the FR sky XJT?

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

It should. Then you can use any protocol you want.

Thanks for the clear video! I’m still trying to figure out the LBT stuff. But let’s say I eventually want to switch all of my stuff to LBT would it still be possible to use student mode? Only I can not really find how to change the firmware of the xjt module if I eventually want to do that

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

I know the XJT can support LBT, but I don't know if you can flash from one to the other. I also know the LBT XJT doesn't support D8 mode, so keep that in mind if you start flashing stuff.

@Diown

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews I saw a video on how to get d8 on LBT. I’ll look it up again

@richardlong3615

3 жыл бұрын

The XJT module firmware comes in two versions FCC or EU/LBT you can switch back and forth but if you do then you have to flash your receivers to match. As for D8 that is hidden by OpenTx when you select EU when downloading the firmware in Companion. If you don't select EU then D8 is available.

Hello, very understandable video even for non-English-speaking users. However, I have a problem: I have a Boxer and a Zorro, Boxer is supposed to be a master and Zorro is supposed to be a student. The binding worked after a bit of trying. And I could also see the joystick deflections on the master's monitor. But the moment I connected the external CRSF module, the connection to the Zorro was lost. CRSF off and it worked again. But not the trainer mode as desired.

Thanks for this very useful and well made video. Do you think I can do it between my brand new eachine tx16s and my old flysky IA 6 ?

@RCVideoReviews

2 жыл бұрын

Probably, as long your multi module will bind with the IA6, it should work. The TX16s doesn't know what radio is on the other side, it's just acting like a big receiver.

@theoztreecrasher2647

2 жыл бұрын

I take it that the "old flysky IA 6" is a typo and you are actually asking about a Flysky FS-i6 radio set to AFHDS 2A output. If so (and you have a second module in the External bay on the Eachine TX16S) then the answer is yes.

I'm yet to ever use the 'buddy box' connection; training was always a 'quick pass me the radio' moment as when I was learning there wasn't any means to connect a HiTec 720 to a Futata Skysport haha. I still have my 720 Tx, they were pretty good radios for the day. On a tangent I have been testing the FlySky CAT01 Altitude sensor which reads Air Pressure, Altitude and Ambient Air Temperature. I had set it as a Vario too but it doesn't output positive values on ascent (+), or negative values for decent (-) so it won't generate a true vertical speed reference to correctly drive the Vario option in OpenTX. What the CAT01 sensor does though is give accurate positive values from zero for Altitude, and for Air Pressure it outputs the change as a negative value as it measures the reduction of pressure as height increases. I'm trying to get OpenTX to read either these values and return a sound for increase or decrease via Logical Switches but I wonder if you might know a more elegant solution via OpenTX before I look at buying a true Vario sensor? The CAT01 does return accurate Alt values (as meters) which I have the value call out on a Special Function which sort of makes up for the lack of a vario sounder.

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

I'm the same way re buddy boxes. Always just passed the radio back and forth. But I can see a real opportunity to have some fun with other pilots using this. Sorry on the vario stuff--never touched a vario sensor, so out of my depth there.

A question I've been trying to answer is: Can you setup a wired trainer with a non opentx radio. I've got a Flysky IS-6X that i've been trying to use but I've been unsuccessful to date. I guess I could spend the $$ on a Flysky module and go wireless but what fun would that be?

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, don't know the answer to that one. Did Google tell you anything useful?

hi nice to c u , i want ask you. the master radio must have maste/mutil model and it can be work. i use nv14+4in1 x9lite+4in1, they can not be work, can you help me??

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

I'm afraid I don't understand your question.

Amazing video. Clear and direct. How do you get the red detail in the guimbal? It’s very cool. Congratulations.

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

Those are 3D printed gimbal spacers: www.thingiverse.com/thing:4492448 That's not the exact set I found originally (looks like they may have been removed), but they look to be the same.

@sonarfleet2375

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews thanks for your fast replying.

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@sonarfleet2375 Sure thing.

Great video! Which trainer mode do you select in student radio (T18)? Thanks

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

Any of the master modes are fine. As far as the student radio goes, it is connecting to a normal receiver.

@piloto300

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@piloto300 You're welcome.

Thanks for the great set of instructions. But I am facing an issue can anyone please help. I keep getting the "Trainer Signal Lost" alarm and I have noticed this happening randomly and very often when my student is close to my radio. I am using the Jumper T18 5in1 radio as the master with the internal set to frsky_rx and the Jumper T-Lite as the Student. I have an ELRS external module in the Jumper T18 which is the actual control link to the model. Please help. UPDATE: To All you guys, On the Master radio use FS2A_RX on the internal RF-module, and on the Student radio use FlySky_2A. This is a much more stable protocol than the D8/D16 which keeps giving "Trainer Signal Lost". FYI I am using the latest firmware of the Multiprotocol Module and using Edge TX also the latest one as of today.

Stupid question here. To pair the tx16s with a Spektrum dx8 g2 and Lemon dsmx receiver would I have to make tx16s the slave, or is there an external module that supports dsmx?

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

To pair with two devices you need two transmitters. I don't know if there is an external DSM module, but there is an external MPM module that should work with DSM.

@luisss4924

3 жыл бұрын

Hi there Randy, i have both spektrum and Tx16s and can say that G2 radios has a wireless radio mode and will bind to any radio on DSM2 and DSMX, so it will link as intructor radio with Tx16S as student radio. No need for an external module. Tx16S internal module in DSM2 or DSMX to bind with G2 in wireless trainer mode.By the way i already tried it with my DX9. If you want Tx16S as instructor radio,then you need and external module. Hope this helps.

@luisss4924

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews Hi John,no need for external DSM module,G2 radios have an internal receiver that binds with any DSMX and DSM2 radio for wireless trainer. Something i wish RadioMaster and Jumper had in the external bay,as a possibility so we could bind any receiver to it. Don't know if the heartbeat(SBUS/CPPM) input pin in the bay is for future implementation.

Can you show how to do a 5 channel setup? I am lost, have radios talking but what is coming out of the master is wrong.

@RCVideoReviews

Жыл бұрын

For your special function switch to enable trainer, did you use channels instead of sticks?

That's a fair bit of fluctuation seen on the trainer screen on the TX16S from the pots (sticks) on the T18. If you were to set up the T18 as the Trainer radio, and the T16S as the Student radio, do you see similar fuctuations from the hall sensors (sticks) on the TX16S? Great video BTW!!

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

These are both hall sensor gimbals. I haven't setup the reverse. I did notice the fluctuations.

@Graham_Shaw

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews My mistake John, I got confused, I thought the lite came with the RDC90's and the Pro came with the hall effect sensors, I see now it's the other way round. I'm surprised to see any fluctuations with hall effect gimbals, I'll admit I've not looked at the ones in my TX16S much due to a lack of time to spend on it at the moment, but the hall effect gimbals on my Jeti DS-14 are totally rock solid.

small question.. what about invert the process: using original binding of the internal module and external module to bind with the other radio ?

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

I don't believe you can do that. The internal module has an "RX" protocol. I don't believe the external XJT allows that although to be honest, I've never studied the matter.

@paolo9535

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews i found RX protocol i will try to see if It works this way i can skip binding models ti the external module

Great video. Question: Can I do this with a Radiomaster TX16s and a Taranis X9D? Thanks.

@RCVideoReviews

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@fc1133

2 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews Thanks for the fast reply. One last question: Is it safe to assume that I have to program the Taranis exactly the same way as the Radio Master in you video, since I use open TX as well!? Thanks.

@RCVideoReviews

2 жыл бұрын

You should mimic what I have in terms of master/slave setup. The rest (channels) are configurable.

@fc1133

2 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews OK, I got a few things mixed up. I thought that *both* radios (transmitters) will be "bound" to *the same* receiver with the help of the XJT Module. I guess that is not true. Instead, you bind the XJT Module to the receiver in the plane, and then use the *Internal RF* from one radio (acting as a regular transmitter) to connect to the second transmitter (acting as a receiver). Kind of makes sense. I wonder if you can do it the other way around!? Instead of binding the XJT Module to the receiver in the plane, leave everything the way it is (Radiomaster TX16s is bound with the receiver in my plane) and just bind the XJT Module to the second radio. That way I do not have to "rebind" the receiver in the plane, which can be hard (depending on how deep it is berried in the plane) and I can also take the Module out if I do not need it, which is 99% of the time. Thanks.

Thanks so much for making these videos they are so helpful to everyone. I have a question now that I can successfully set up my wireless trainer I wish to connect my TX16S mode 1 transmitter to a flysky 6channel mode 2 transmitter. Can you please show me how to do that?

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

It's all done with your trainer mapping screen. You can take whatever input from the trainer and map it to whatever output on the master. Just go into your trainer screen and tinker with it. You'll figure it out pretty quickly.

@jameskeys8263

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews thanks so much is there a video on the trainer mapping screen I can look at otherwise I’ll attempt it as you suggested?

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@jameskeys8263 I don't have one on trainer mapping. Go try it, it's really pretty simple.

How would one set it up using a wired connection? Or how would you connect if using a different rx like RX8, R8. Good video and very helpful.

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

To use a wired connection you Master/Jack instead of Master/Multi. All other configurations options apply. I don't know what an RX8 or R8 are. If you want to use another radio wirelessly, you need to make sure the Multimodule supports an RX version of the protocol. In this case I used FRSKYRX. For DSM you would use DSMRX, etc...

@N2RIT

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews RX8Rpro or X8R are Frsky receivers. Typo Thanks again.

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@N2RIT Those are both ACCST/D16 so yes, they'll both work.

Very good video however since updating my two tx16s txs to the up to date firmware on opentx v 2.3.11 I no longer have the option in Internal RF to set it to FRSKYRX RX and therefore cannot bind the two radios. I am also using the Frsky xjt Module. I also cannot roll back the Opentx firmware to an older version. can you please help. Thanks

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

You can roll back firmware. OpenTx doesn't prevent firmware downgrades. OpenTx firmware also doesn't change the Multi-Protocol Module firmware. That is completely separate and the options available for binding on the MPM are completely separate from OpenTx. In any event, when you upgrade OpenTx firmware, they usually suggest a MPM firmware upgrade to go with it. You should see a suggested firmware message in the model setup page.

@cliffbrumfield7870

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews Thank you for your quick reply, I will give it another go. Keep up the good work. Thanks.

@cliffbrumfield7870

3 жыл бұрын

Hi again, I thought that I would post this in case someone else is having problems with getting two radiomaster tx16s tx's talking to each other using the up to date opentx firmware 2.3.11. Master tx: Internal RF set to Multi FRSKy RX Multi, module version v1.3.2.77. External RF module set to XJT D16. Student tx: Internal RF set to Multi FRSKy X D16. I now have the external frsky XJT module talking to the receiver and the two radio master tx16s tx's talking to each other. Hope this helps. Thanks again for your video's.

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@cliffbrumfield7870 Glad you got it working.

UPDATE: To All you guys, On the Master radio use FS2A_RX on the internal RF-module, and on the Student radio use FlySky_2A. This is a much more stable protocol than the D8/D16 which keeps giving "Trainer Signal Lost". FYI I am using the latest firmware of the Multiprotocol Module and using Edge TX also the latest one as of today.

i am having issue whith this. I have a tx16s and an extra 4 in 1 module and a taranis. I connect the internal module to the plane and connect the external module as rx to the taranis. only than i get extreme range issue between trainer and student. They keep loosing connection.

@RCVideoReviews

2 жыл бұрын

Mine worked within about 6'. After that it dropped connection. I don't believe this is meant to be a long range option.

@rwijnhov

2 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews mine drops even when standing within 1 meter so not reliable for me.

@RCVideoReviews

2 жыл бұрын

You're not pointing the antennas at each other or anything like that right? I was good for about 6'

@rwijnhov

2 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews nope it just drops. I tried multiple.firmware versions.

@rwijnhov

2 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews Can you post a picture of the antenna setup the way you had it?

You can just see some OpenTX geeks (in the best way) sitting around when someone wonders, "we've got to transmitters available, why waste one. Just astounding capabilities. Now we need FrSky and Spekum go OpenTX The revolution continues! .

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

Right? Very clever little trick. Just keep in mind the range is a little bit limited. We found ourselves staying within about 10'. Outside of that, we lost connectivity.

So why can't i do this with just a receiver in the master radio like I did with a X9D?

@RCVideoReviews

2 жыл бұрын

That’s effectively what’s going on. The multi module is in receive mode. The external module transmits to the model.

@dixielandsbigal

2 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews thanks for the reply! I'm gonna try it. I put my xm receiver in the radio master but it got weird. I now know from your video that the ground and power are opposite so I will wire correctly and then try it. Xm receiver is $10 and fits inside the cover compared to another module...

@RCVideoReviews

2 жыл бұрын

I've never tried to use an Rx in the external bay so I haven't checked to see if the external bay supports rx mode. I know the mpm does. I'll be interested to hear how it works for you.

@theoztreecrasher2647

2 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews No. The Eachine/RadioMaster TX16S radios do not have a dedicated S-bus input in the Module Bay.

Hlo sir i am from Nepal i bought jumpert16 pro but the proble with Frsky x8r is its range is just too low its just 300 to 400 metres i am just confused what to do

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

I found this same post 3 times. I'll just reply here though: Do you have the same issue with receivers other than the x8r? Have you looked into frequency tuning?

@aesatishchaudhary5933

3 жыл бұрын

I used the flysky fsi6b but the range was 500 metre or less the problem is it should have range almost 1.5KM but it doesnt plz help me i am giving training and rc scale plane education to underprivileged and poor student ho cant afford these type of thing

@aesatishchaudhary5933

3 жыл бұрын

I also fine tuned the frequency

@RCVideoReviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@aesatishchaudhary5933 How are your antennas oriented? On the radio, it should be pointing at your forehead or it should be laid over on the side. DO NOT aim it at the model. On the model, you should have one oriented on the lateral axis and one oriented on the vertical axis. Also make sure you have nothing between the model antenna and the ground antenna if you can. Try to minimize any obstructions.

@aesatishchaudhary5933

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCVideoReviews ok sir i will give it atry