I really hope your channel gets bigger and bigger, this is great stuff! You always seem to know 2 or 3 things way beyond what I even have thought about in the game

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Its almost like the doors want to push the rock out the top of the door only. So if they are laying on their side there is a path to do so, but when they are vertical the top blocks that push.

Fantastic video; thanks so much for presenting this so thoroughly and also consisely.

Having seen and experienced the power of a volcano this is rather impressive. Could be useful to design it in a way it could be converted in to something more powerful later like the regolith melter.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed, there will be a part 2 and a part 3, eventually, that explores how to integrate these things together.

@0x0404

4 жыл бұрын

I imagine putting a line of metal tiles beneath the doors will speed up heat transfer since you are not relying on door to door transfer as much.

There's a problem with your aquatuner bypass - it's too short. When the bypass has different length than the pipe going through the aquatuner, you may get a packet of liquid stuck on the aquatuner's input for longer than just the one second after it has been measured and then you may get pipe damage from either frozen or evaporated packet. With too short bypass, you can even get the whole loop stuck. Instead of doors and automation, you can perhaps use a layer of molten lead. It seems to have just the right thermal range to do the job, assuming the magma will condense into pieces rather than tiles.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Using molten metal for a heat sink is very clever. Very clever. I absolutely must experiment with that idea. Lead looks like a good choice unless specific heat or conductivity turns out to be important. Another guy suggested dropping the magma through a "bead pump" to divide it into 120kg portions. I have ideas for combining these things together, it might be REALLY awesome. Thank you. If you do a build I'd definitely like to see a screenshot or something.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Omg. I'm trying out molten lead for the heatsink and it's the greatest. It makes this entire design so simple that it seems childish. When I put it together with other design suggestions I got today, it's clear that I'm going to have to post another volcano tamer. But the molten lead is they key thing, I'll be sure to give you the credit. (It seems so OBVIOUS now! But I never thought of it.)

@robertbensch7748

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyadvanced6315 i don´t really understand the modification. You mean replacing the bottom doors with molten lead to be in contact with the top doors, or just have both liquids stay on top of each other so that the lead with its ridiculous heat transfer brings the heat to the contact door to the steam room?

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't end up using the molten lead idea. Sadly, the more I worked with it the more caveats I found and the harder it was to deal with. However, I have worked out the problem you were explaining about the aquatuner and I see what I'm doing that makes it something that doesn't happen to me very often. Thank you.

@robertbensch7748

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyadvanced6315 Did you record footage of the molten lead tryout? I'd love to learn the problems you were facing.

Very informative, thank you I subbed to your channel keep up the good content.

Works great, a few remarks though; -The metal tiles between the airlocks and the vacuum gate is not really necessary -For a minor volcano a row of 6 airlocks is enough because it produces less lava (rest is all the same a normal volcano) -For a minor volcano I guess 2 turbines is enough (probably it depends on how fast you wanna drain the heat from it, but ok) -If you make a vacuum room below the airlocks and build another row of airlocks below that you can open manually, you can actually get the rock out if you need it at a sort of low temperature

@elspoocho4637

2 жыл бұрын

Ok the metal plates prevents rock of jump around in the vacuum gate, so i take that back

Great video. Keep up the good work

I like your thnumbnails, good to know about the heat loss

Brilliant!!! it would be great if you started a series of beginning a base (non sandbox) and implementing all these ideas into the base, everything from basic to advanced. It would be even greater if in each of these episode you included your save file where you left off at the end of that Episode. Keep up the good work

11:24 R.I.P

once again you saved my duplicated ass. I had exactly what you described: a load of igneus rock accumulating in my petroleum boiler, but with this tutorial I was able to upgrade the boiler so the debris gets swallowed by the doors.

Looking forward to a tutorial which you use the same desing to cook petroleum. Love the vids.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

That will be very soon. Sorry it's taking a while, volcano stuff seems to have tricky details and long-term vulnerabilities that take extra attention.

Sir Francis John said you had some good info, he was right. Thanks mate.

Great as alway dude!

Perhaps piping the steam turbine output water to the left side will help even out the temperatures in the boiler room.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

It certainly does. Thanks.

Will try in my base.... amazing...

Woooooooo new video 👏👏👏🤘🤘🤘

I would like to see how to get a setup for magma from the bottom of the map. there are videos but i think you make the most sense how to build it with dupes =).

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. :) That's on my list of videos to make, I think it has a lot of votes so it may be relatively soon.

I made a steel box on the surface with a steam generator inside it, the idea was when the asteroids hit the roof at 300drgrees they heat up the metal tiles which transfers its heat around the box and into the steam below, it worked reasonably well but needs some refining. Mainly on removing the rock so the next asteroid can hit it again

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

That's a good idea. I've tried it before but since the specific heat of regolith is only 0.2 you don't get much power for it. If you get all the heat out of ALL the regolith that falls from the sky, and you don't use robominers to dig the regolith, and your setup is perfectly efficient, then you can make about 4700 watts. That sounds good, but you literally have to transfer the heat perfectly from ALL of the regolith for the ENTIRE sky. It can be done with a massive elaborate system of pipes.... but... that's a lot of work for 4.7kw.

Super interesting... good build.. good vid. However I'm thinking it maybe makes more sense to use the heat for a petroleum boiler? I'd love to see your take on that.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

It's on my list of things to demonstrate. I'm not good at everything, but I'm very good at heat exchanges in ONI, so I think it will be a good one.

Great video. Thanks for uploading. Do you think you can do a video on melting regolith and what you can do with that type of build and product? If you have already done one, then please ignore this comment. Cheers.

Oh! Put the Patreon link in the description!

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Will do.

IDEA - collect the cool rock and use it for something like a hatch farm.

in ur thumbnail dupes seems to be in great agony and desperation.. but there is one dupe who seem to be smiling almost felt like he was taking a selfie..

Just had a thought, the "interesting phenomenon" of the rock moving into one tile from left to right.. this could be used for i high speed conveyor system.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed. If it does what it looks like then it could sweep a whole sky-full of regolith in an instant so a dedicated sweeper could pick it up. I haven't played around with it yet.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Hmm, that would be a cool 3 minute video to post.

@deviousbutton9211

4 жыл бұрын

Welp, just tested it.. only moves 9 tiles max.. but i still think with some automation you could make a fast system for regolith puu.sh/EbuRn/5a6006fa3f.jpg

I use diamond window tiles instead of steel metal tiles. Any reason not to? Diamond is usually more readily available than steel if you access the oil biome, has better melting point at 4000 degrees (not that it matters), same mass per tile, better thermal conductivity AND capacity.

I want to see how to get the Igneous out while still harvesting most of the heat for power.

@draggy76

3 жыл бұрын

I assume one can use an auto sweeper in the same area just made out of something that won't melt.

Instead of forcing the steam turbines to run needlessly and waste the power couldn't you hook it up with an automated transformer that dumps the extra power into your normal power grid?

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed, I would recommend that extra power always gets routed into your usual power grid whether you end up using it or not. Perhaps I should have demonstrated it that way, but the power grid in my sandbox base doesn't make that easy to do.

Yeah unless i see someone make it from start i would never be able to make tamers

You are making a fairly common mistake, you didn't actually let it run for many cycles, it would have shown you that you have vacuumed the Volcano ensuring its heat safe, but you forgot the steam room and turbine rooms, both leak heat through the liquid lock, you need a vacuum after the liquid locks to heat secure those rooms.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Your analysis of those airlocks is absolutely true, thank you. I test everything for long runs, but I don't have the same high standard as you do for heat control. I think I should have mentioned that the petroleum will ultimately get fairly hot, I'll be sure to do that in the future. I wouldn't worry much about the turbine room, it should be nice and cool.

@robertbensch7748

4 жыл бұрын

You could just have the cooling pipe for the steam turbines run along close to the liquid locks and bring the heat back in, I guess in the grand scheme of things it does not matter as much. I run a industrial steam room and have extra vacuum rooms in between liquid locks, yes, but the steam turbines on top are in the open. Matter of fact I can cool down more of the surrounding area than losing heat into it with that method and slowly pumping all surrounding heat into the steam room to reclaim the heat to power. If you have CO2 outside it works as a relatively good insulator anyways.

can you show how to cool and extract metal from metal volcanoes like iron and gold?

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

A lot of people are asking for this. I'll try one out after I post the next video in a few hours.

If you want to build turbines somewhere else, no next to volcano, I use melted glass where can transfer heat where I want

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting idea. I've been playing around with that and I might use it for an advanced version. GMTA.

"I'm going to do this for real, with real dupes." Enters Sandbox Mode What a loser

But there is a way to remove the rock. Remove the blocks from underneath it if you really need it

Is it only the magma - igneous rock chunck interaction that loses heat when magma cools and joins the rock or every liquid - solid combo works like this?

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

I've always assumed it's everything but I honestly haven't properly done the experiment, so I don't know.

@KAClown

4 жыл бұрын

It has been demonstrated with water to ice. Not sure if its been patched since its discovery and documentation by Tony et al, but someone demonstrated that you can cool a chunk of ice down to the liquefying temp of say oxygen or hydrogen then drip near 0 C water on it to instantly chill the water to ice of the same temp. This allows absolutely massive heat deletion and mass production of LOX/LH. There's presumably a similar process that can be done using tungsten melts or liquid metals for generating absolutely massive heat.

wouldn't you run into the issue you explained in the beginning (with the falling magma -> going to Igneous -> landing in a cold stack on the ground)? Sure, it'll take awhile but it sounds like the longer this is up and running, the less efficient it'll be.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

No. Chunks of rock that stack preserve their heat energy correctly. Magma that cools in the presence of a cold rock deletes heat.

does the heat-insulating door method still work in the latest update?

Im fine with losing that potential energy from the magma if i can insta cool it down to a reasonable temp for my dupes to build with / carry..... Solar panels at the moment are overpowered so...I don't need steam energy.

I am subbed and all notifications are on. I didnt get a notification

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

I have no idea. (I edited out my sarcastic statements that could be construed as violent. Cheers.)

@reflection593

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a plan! I really like design! Almost a much as a petroleum boiler. Hint hint

How is your liquid lock in your steam room not evaporating? You set your thermo sensor to 198, but polluted water evaporates at 120.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

It's petroleum. Oil would work fine too.

I haven't tried taming a volcano. Is all the hassle worth the power it can produce?

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

My opinion is that taming a single volcano for power isn't really worth it, but in future videos (part 2, 3, etc) I will add regolith melt and a petroleum cooker and such. When that happens the power you can generate from it becomes... like infinity, limited only by how much oil/regolith/etc that you have available to cook, so it's worth it.

i been following step by step, pausing every sec and then 18:35 i dont have steel.....why you doing this

@4:30 is that why the gold from my gold volcano is coming out at room temp (110C(was trying to heat a cool steam geyser))? Or is that because of gold's garbage thermal capacity? My volcano just straight up poops out bars of gold and skips the liquid state, which is cool n all but I was trying to create power not gold...

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe. :) It seems like it ought to be hotter than it sounds, so something is up.

I'd like to see how to couple it onto a heavi-watt power bus without breaching the insulation. I presume a large transformer just outside the insulated brick, with conductive wire on the transformer input and the transformer output on the heavi-watt bus? Also, you don't really need an airlock around the steam turbines do we? just brick it in once complete?

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

If you joint-plate into a vacuum and then joint-plate out of the vacuum into your base then you can use heavi-watt without leaking heat.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

You are right about bricking in the steam turbines. Technically, you could just brick in everything once it's complete. For me, it's just an easy way to do maintenance.

Just a question... When the chuncks join the previous chuncks at the bottom of the doors... The witch is the temperature of the resulting chunck?

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

When two chunks stack together the temperature gets averaged out correctly. The temperature loss problem happens only when magma freezes in the same tile as an existing chunk. Although.... I didn't test to see if the temperatures get "weighted" correctly if a low-mass chunk stacks onto a high-mass chunk. If that's not handled then it could be very interesting.

@marcofavin8718

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyadvanced6315 Thanks!!!

@moldycarrot9267

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyadvanced6315 So you don't lose heat energy due to stacking, only exposure to door area which means less conductivity between the igneous rock and the heat sink. Right?

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

@@moldycarrot9267 Unless I've made a mistake, you don't lose heat energy when you stack rocks. If you are also asking if "stacking rocks reduces the total amount of heat energy you can get in/out of the same amount of mass" then yes, that's absolutely true. It would be bad to stack all your rocks into one rock because you wouldn't be able to get the heat out.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewbauerle7153 You can delete LOTS of heat this way. I consider it too exploity to prioritize a build that leverages it, but it would be a neat thing to see.

Have you tested the heat deleting issue for when the existing igneous rock debris/item is submerged in molten lead instead of right next to a massive pool of super coolant?

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Magma floats on molten lead, so magma that falls onto molten lead never touches debris that is in the lead and the problem is avoided. I did a lot of experimenting to use this property to effect a simple volcano tamer but it has a lot of problems that are hard to deal with when you get into it. (Unless you decide to use conveyor rails, in that case you can cool all your magma in the same tile of lead and sweep it away from there, but that's not what I wanted.)

@SandGrainOne

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyadvanced6315 Cool, Thank you.

Cant you just drop magma into a pool of water?

This "heat deletion" effect as freezing liquids are joined into a preexisting loose solid item seems like a bug. Is it still present?

@tonyadvanced6315

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know! It's because I've been a loser and haven't played in so long. The day will come, I can't wait.

@gloverelaxis

3 жыл бұрын

@@tonyadvanced6315 Ty for the response! You've done such an amazing job exploiting bugs or (generously) "quirks" of the physics engine like this and the regolith heat multiplication thing. I hope they fix the bugs but deliberately add similarly thorny quirks, because they make for some really fascinating challenges and designs (as you've showcased!)

why is it that the aquatuner thrashing wastes power?

@snazzyproductionsltd1211

4 жыл бұрын

would like to know this as well....

@epiccollision

4 жыл бұрын

The animation takes longer then the transfer of energy I think, causes timing/choking issues

how about your old volcano tamer? is this better than before?

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

The older video is about melting regolith and this one is about getting the heat out of a volcano for power generation. I would say that if you are NOT melting regolith then this is a better approach. Nevertheless, I think that the next evolution of this volcano tamer will include a new way to melt regolith as well. I anticipate that I will like the new way better, but as with everything in ONI, it all depends what characteristics you prefer.

Could this be used to get the metal from a metal volcano?

@Speckhouse1

4 жыл бұрын

Metal volcanoes run hotter, so you need to build out of more heat resistant materials, thermium or tungsten for doors, obsidian or 'insulation' for tiles. Also, there's no easy way to collect the solidified stuff from this design, and even if you just send suited dupes in,, the chunks are pretty hot, so you will probably want to cool them down before storing them somewere. You would probably want to invent something better for that purpose, but it's sure to be more complicated.

could you do a prespace petroleum cooker? I seem to be unable to figure it out.

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

Quite a LOT of people are asking for that. I'll make it a priority.

@blubbber

4 жыл бұрын

Francis John has one, the highest material is Steel. Its even unlimited, 10kg/s . Advatage: you get to use the igneous rock at the end (if you adapt it a bit, at the point where the magma gets mined): watch?v=RisEv8aF7SI

@songokussm

4 жыл бұрын

@@blubbber i tried a similar setup but kept getting sour gas. But he pointed out several items that may solve that. time to try again. i appreciate the link.

@ScottOrd

4 жыл бұрын

I saw this one today, it's the simplest design I've seen and very well explained: kzread.info/dash/bejne/laeqscSrdbPaqso.html

Why dont klei just add an igneous rock detector. mods: Nah I gotcha fam.

Can u share save file ? XD

10/10

I have a way better design that is fully controllable, can be operated at any consumption rate, uses all the heat down to 125C and extracts igneous rock at the end. And of course doesn't use that ridiculous amount of steel

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

If it's similar to this approach then I'd definitely like to link to it from this video so viewers can see your idea.

@fritt_wastaken

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyadvanced6315 Not quite similar, here it is: i.imgur.com/Cni70uS.png It uses magma from a tank, spreads it on top of airlocks, then drops into puddle of molten lead (or near molten). When it cools an autosweeper delivers rock to conveyor loaders for a further cooling. This exact arrangement with 3 turbines is supposed to work of off 1 volcano and cools rock to ~170C. But it is quite modular and can be tweaked to meet any needs. Also benefits a lot from thermium. I can make you some blueprints if you're interested. You can take it and make a video out of it ;)

@fritt_wastaken

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyadvanced6315 btw I think it can be combined with your mesh tiles approach for further simplification. Not sure exactly how tho

@tonyadvanced6315

4 жыл бұрын

@@fritt_wastaken It's very clever, thank you. I don't think it counts as a variation of this design so I don't want to post it in the addenda. I'm eager to move onto other things after finishing my current volcano projects, so I don't think I'll use it, but I'd be interested to see a screenshot of the conveyor rails if you are down, I think you might be doing something interesting there.

@fritt_wastaken

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyadvanced6315 That's sad. Nothing fancy, just thermal exchange: i.imgur.com/liZ1M2y.png Conveyor shutoffs control the temperature of the steam, and bottom one also makes sure that lead does not overcools since it can cause issues with timing.

What's up with this game and all its heat erasing? Are they doing it on purpose or are they just that much incompetent?