One TINY Mistake: Now we're STUCK! [EP 114] - How to replace your forestay - Almost
In this weeks episode we take the Falcon dockside here in Carriacou, Grenada to tackle one of the last parts of our DIY rigging overhaul, the forestay. After some interesting maneuvering to get alongside the dock and some confusion amongst the line handlers, we got the boat all tied up. We then immediately got to work dropping down the roller furler tube in order to remove and replace the forestay housed within. Our first hiccup was the all too common problem of a seized and (subsequently) threaded grub screw between the furler extrusions. Thanks to a helpful passerby who happened to have the exact equipment we needed, we quickly solved that problem.
Thinking that was the last of our problems, the job continued smoothly until the last step... re-installing the Sta-Lok fitting on the forestay. It was about here that everything went pear-shaped and a 1mm error in measurement derailed the entire job and delayed our departure by weeks...
Feel a bit defeated, we went back out to anchor to wait for new rigging to be sent to us. Our silver lining was that even though we couldn't fix our forestay, we picked up our trusty old stays'l from the sail maker who repaired the tear... We're still one step closer to getting outta here and on the water again!
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i now know why i'm liking your channel; you remind me of me. nothing and i mean nothing i do ever works right the first time. i use to envy dan and keka of "sailing uma." all their projects seem to come off without a hitch. but then i realized that that when those two go to pick their noses, first they have to draw out the entire nose picking procedure on a 3D CAD program. and then and only then, do they proceed. but you two are more fly by the seat of your pants, people. you're my kind of people. SUBSCRIBED.
THIS is why @sailingmillenialfalcon is my favorite. An honest and accurate portrayal of what being a sailboat owner or live aboard is like.
Wow, you are still living the Sea dream.. Nice!!
Lessons learned this week Measure twice cut once Never start a project on a FRIDAY!
Every week, whatever happens on the Falcon, it's always a great time for us. Every minute, every second, of this channel is an absolute joy to watch. Pandemic cabin fever setting in...? No, actually, I'd still love your channel if I was sitting on the beach down there with a beer in my hand and could see you guys at anchor!
Great educational video guys! thanks for sharing and helping others learn from your experiences!
Special K....I see you have the ring on your left hand now..congrats😍🥰🥳
Another great video. 1mm can make SUCH a difference. What a bummer for you. We love all your videos🌬⛵🌴😎🦘
That first try was just the practice run, now you're experienced!
Hi Folks, thanks for the update on the repair job that didn't quite happen. I was wondering while watching it would be good to do a yt vid on how the coronavirus has affected the sailing community. Would be good to update folks on what restrictions you have faced, have you been barred from certain areas?? What protocols have you witnessed or heard of being put in place by different countries etc.... love your work!!
Great video as always! Just one remark: next time you go up to the top of the mast you might consider using the mainsail halyard to go up, rather than the spinnaker halyard. Reason: the main halyard block is in the mast, so if it breaks,you don’t drop ( you can get down,albeit with some friction ) if your spi block fails there’s nothing to hold you. ( with exception of your security line ) Just a thought.... Have fun you guys
"We'll talk about the plan later cuz it changes as often as my undies"🤣 I plan on using this quote multiple times this week
Love how positive both of you remain even when getting frustrated.... the positivity is infectious which is very much appreciated!! Great work!! :)
Even when things don't go as planned you take it in stride and smile through. Life goes on keep smiling and laughing your way through it's all part of what makes you, you. When you can travel again stay away from the US mainland, it's just not safe here yet.
Another great video guys - I've always enjoyed these "slice-of-life" style episodes and the honesty and candor you share only makes them - and you - feel more authentic and real. Looking forward to your next vlog!
Hi, To avoid the furler profile screws to thread you can also replace them by the equivalent torx screw. The torx print is the less prone to threading and some brand (facnor, ...) use them instead of the hallen ones and it's much easier to work with ! Also remember to use loctite or other thread locking paste in those screws... with the vibrations sometimes they come loose ! Best regards from France Guys !
Great job of overcoming adversity. Even if some of it is self inflicted.
Keep this in mind for the future, "measure 3 times, cut once" and "shit happens". Great video. BTW, Use nickel anti-seize on those set screws (grubb). I'm sure glad you saved me from screwing up , for when I have to do my fore stay . Cheers
I hope that you will be doing a Thursday Q & A soon.
Bloody never ending. I enjoy asking another yachtie what they've been fixing and seeing the depressed anguish on their face so I know it's not just me.
@SaveWesternCivilisation
3 жыл бұрын
In order to keep your sanity, you need to keep downsizing to smaller and simpler boats. I'm currently sailing on a champagne cork, but will downsize again shortly... Cheerio!😆
What I like about Adam and Khiaras sailing blog SMF against the myriad of other sailing blogs is they dont indulge in the eye candy girl in the bikini bullshit along with drinking copious amounts of alcohol crew catch ups and indulgences. Down to earth and real sailing couple who are both capable and articulate commentators keeping it real. Adam as a fellow aussie you generally love sailing and have a great travelling sailing partner in Khiara. Best wishes from a fellow salty missing his sailing stuck in Singapore.
@ontheruntonowhere
3 жыл бұрын
Good for you! And I like sailing vlogs which do indulge in those things, particularly the bikini bullshit. We're so different, yet you have to share the world with me. No apologies, sail on!
Once again, top notch editing. You were correct Adam. The drone footage is brilliant for perspective,
Such a refreshing, real look at how things can go. Keep smiling.
Epic, bet the air turned blue off camera, best program to watch by miles, it is what it is, what can you do, snorkeling, beer & pizza that's what. Can't wait for the next one :-)
There is a self centering bit that can keep you from having to re drill and tap the resulting oversize hole. There is also a lubricant to put on the screw threads to prevent it from corroding and locking in so hard.
Love watching you guys, you are awesome keep up the good work great editing, however next time you remove the forestay cable from the furling gear tie a 1/4" messenger then you can draw the new one in without taking everything apart.
Starting to get cold and dark here, so this is a welcome respite.
Great video yet again guys, just getting better and better! Question for you to think and dream about: Having now got some experience on the ocean, and no doubt looking at lots of boats, if you found yourself with $100k to $300k US or AUD, what boat would you buy next? Mono hull or Cat or tri? Fibre Glass or Aluminium? New or used? Keel or lifting keel? Might make a great segment to a video!
So sorry for all the crap you’re going through....I hate making expensive mistakes!
Oh man no harm no foul right! The more you do the more you know as anyone. Don't be hard on yourselves, you guys are doing great. Cheers from Texas.
Probably 7/ 16 of an inch. It’s also a good practice to lay the cable out on something soft , so you don’t get little scratches on the wire. Scratches can make stress raisers and points for corrosion.
Thats defiantly Sailing...Keep smiling !!
Thank you for showing the details. Not enough real engineering aspects shown on sailing channels.
Sorry for the struggles as of late guys! You truly do manage to handle things as they come and that's not easy when things go wrong. Absolutely love your channel. Great quality video and drone footage and the music you put to it all is icing on the cake. Hoping for the perfect next couple of weeks for you both 💚
Here's an idea,what you could do is cut the old wire up into similar lengths and make a clip on, so then when big lighting storms are around clip on four points throw into water might protect against having everything fried who knows just a thought. Cheers from your homeland at 42c at the moment
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
Haha very ingenious! I have heard of a few boats being fried at the moment, not here but around the world. 42c... I’m melting just thinking about it!!
“Everything went to Custard” Yummy!!😂🤣😂🤣😂
Another great video
You will get the job finished within a week.....hope it doesn't go down to the wire!! 😉
Thanks guys
You'll get this sorted next week I'm sure.
check "Sail Life" video from a couple of weeks ago, Mads had a very similar problem with similar cone discrepancies, new furler cone supplied versus old furler extant, quick fix, but waiting for parts sucks
Thank you, I really enjoyed this...
Hi, a little bit of advise for future measuring: for anything under 25mm I would use a 0-25mm micrometer instead of a big set of callipers because micrometer's are much more accurate than callipers. A micrometer is something I would strongly suggest you adding to your toolkit if you haven't already got one. this is just my opinion but I am a qualified manufacturing engineer. hope this helps
Wow, it sure is a Good thing that YOU ordered it Khiara, 9:50 and not Alex, or he’d never hear the end of it...!!
Love you Guy's, Being an Englishman living in Australia also helps me understand what you both are saying sometimes. Your down to earth No Bull@#$t approach to your your channel is refreshing and provides a vibrant look at the never ending hard work required to do what your doing "Living Your Dream", Good On Ya
If you wish to prevent screws jamming in alloy, use women's clear nail varnish on the threads.
@MrBrokenchair
3 жыл бұрын
Or Duralac.
Enjoy sailboat ⛵️ video at dockside! Plus extra helpful working on sailboat ⛵️! 😀⛵️😘 Mike from Missouri
ugh!!!! Bummer! Oh well...... thanks for the lesson.... Excellent "how to" video..... kinda????
SO frustrating to hear that I know.... I hope the new one comes in quickly!
One plan a week !!!
I'm about to perform a similar job and after talking to the rigger, this is what he told me; 2 rigger's tips to avoid taking apart the foils. Once it's down cut off the top swaged fitting on the old wire and weld on the '' new wire and pull it down thru. If no welder handy, the other option, if using 1x19 is to unfurl the outer wire layer, as you would to attach the Stalok, but do this at the top again, having removed the swage. Then do the same to the new piece and using 2mm mousing line tie the two pieces together, butt joint, then overlay with strong tape to the full diameter of the wire and carefully, push and pull the new wire down thru. Obviously the latter method is more risky but can be done with care.
I feel your pain. I used to be a project engineer and know exactly how much a slight mismeasurement can ruin your whole day. On the brighter side, a former coworker mismeasured a gap that cost the company hundreds of thousands of dollars and much time. Be thankful you aren't him. I was. 😇
@davidforbes7772
9 ай бұрын
Kinda like when NASA sent a lander to Mars and one set of calculations was done using Imperial units while the other was in metric. a $125 million mistake.
Reorder new cable & things turn out ok! 😘⛵️😀 Mike from Missouri
I feel your frustration. Typical repair, a job that should take a couple of hours..... I don't care if you just put four screws in piece of old plywood a half hour ago and now you're removing them or if you're outside the International Space Station changing out some perfectly engineered NASA widget - there's always one screw that messes up and delays everything. Allen screws are dodgy in any circumstance. Those six little shoulders are easy to ruin. When I do anything with Allen screws I always have on hand metric and SAE Allen Wrenches. Some of the metric and SAE sizes are very very close together. I've got several Allen screws I deal with all the time, for many years, yet I'm not sure if they're metric or SAE; I don't care - whichever Allen wrench fits snugly is the one I use.
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
Lol, what’s the saying “you’re only one broken bolt away from a 3 day ordeal”... I know that’s true! Totally agree with those Allen keys, they stripped the heads almost immediately with just hand pressure. Will def add some Allen key wrench’s to my ever growing list of new tools needed!
So that the screws never happen to you or at least in much longer than normal when you put them in when you finish, cover them with paint on the head that is very easy to remove with a remover, it works very well for me
Old snarky me has an old sailor rule for young pretty sailors. "Measure Twice, Cut once". Lol Have fun guys, this is the fun part.
If docking with off wind was that difficult, why not use the other side of the dock? It was totally available. Love your channel by the way!
Boat jobs always seem to take so much longer than planned! If it makes you feel any better, we measured our chain wrong and bought the wrong windlass a while ago, we were so annoyed at the time but all worked out :)
You two are destined NOT to travel ..... how about a couch? Seriously love your vids. Love from Sydney.
You guys need one of those Milwaukee 90 degree drills to power the winch
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
Have you just created the cheapest electronic winch out there?! Worth looking into! 😆
@quickdry3
3 жыл бұрын
@@SailingMillennialFalcon if you take a look at any of the sailing doodles videos they're always using them, I can't think of the last time I've seen them manually winching anything, there is a 12V input charger too so it can be charged directly without need for the inverter.
Carriacou is not a bad place to be stuck for an extra week. I liked the Sandy Island anchorage/mooring, just off the main Carriacou Island.
Oh well you get to practice the docking again.
Hank on sails all day long ... you can keep your roller furler
Salsa eñgineering difficulty strikes again ! Those gingerbread have a lot to answer for !!
Thanks for posting the video. The post election news here in the states is making my head hurt.
I always use the angker winch to pull someone up the mast ..
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
We were going to do that on the second haul up the mast with the new wire... next time!
@billhanna8838
3 жыл бұрын
@@SailingMillennialFalcon Cruising - Fixing yachts in tropical angkerages , Its worth it , Oh well back to the lawns - Fairwinds
Love the channel, been binging these past few days (lockdown in France right now so it's great to see you two in your adventures, love your energy...). 2 questions that I don't think have been covered : What kind of filming / editing experience did you have prior to this? What are your roles between shooting and editing ? Also do you color grade or just shoot with normal colors? Second question is how do you tack with the baby stay? Do you furl the Genoa? How much space is there between the forestay and the baby stay? In future boat buying plans I'd love to have a second forestay to be able to rig a storm jig, even if I just get a normal sloop. So I'm thinking about different options.
feel for ya
A life lesson learned but that I never account for is this: All things fail when the most time will elapse before you can fix it. That also kind of explains why if I get sick (or kids) it is always at night and usually on a Friday night. (Ditto for pets). I soooo feel for you guys.
Do yourselves and the next owner of that boat a favor and write all that stuff down in a book for whomever. If you have an engraving tool I would even engrave the cable measurements onto that that part you have to send away for , Also when living the life you are never set a hard date for when to leave or arrive. Good show today , glad the world is opening back up a little bit at least
Nice intro
💯
Quick bit of engineering info Adam, all screws and bolts are 'threaded', that's how they work, the term you are looking for is 'cross threaded' which means when it was put in, it was not put in straight and forced or the thread on the end of the screw or bolt was damaged and then it was forced in which caused more damage. It might seem like a small detail but saying 'threaded' makes no sense. If the screw went in easily but is now stuck due to corrosion and lack of preventative maintenance then it is referred to as 'seized' or in the US they it it's 'frozen' for some reason, frozen everywhere else does not mean that.
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
I believe he meant stripped
@ianc4901
3 жыл бұрын
@@SailingMillennialFalcon 'Stripped' would mean the thread has gone on a portion of the screw so the screw turns but won't back out.
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
Or the Allen key stripped the head of the grub screw 🤔
@noelsharpe5970
3 жыл бұрын
It is possible to change the wire without taking the system apart. Also you purchased the boat in the USA , don't forget about Imperial sizes.
@bryanwinsor9392
3 жыл бұрын
Up here in Canada where we use salt on the road to melt ice & keep our highways from turning into hockey rinks we use anti-seize compound on threaded bolts...not sure if it will be ok in marine applications but may be worth checking into. You've never lived till you've broken a tap off in -24 degrees😎💣❤
Have you seen the sail life video where he had the same issue? I think you should as it may provide another answer and solution.
So the plan changes........ once a week🤔 or just gets turned inside out 🤷♂️
You should use two (2) snubber lines on the anchor chain, one on each side of the bow.
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
We actually do, what you’re seeing is the backup of the backup snubber in the centre... can’t have too many snubbers right?! 😆
Enjoying your vlogs. I’m curious, did you damage or destroy the original 11 mm cable on disassembly? If not why couldn’t you just reassemble with it for the intermediate step? Also, In regard to the screws corroding in there threads. Anyplace where 2 dis- similar alloys touch natural corrosion will occur. Particularly when there is a catalyst introduced ( in this case, salt water ) all of the suggestions on this subject brought forward in this thread should work because the product is separating the alloys from becoming activated. Keep smiling and all the best. Cheers
Could be your backstay was originally 11mm and the person who replaced it mis-measured it and put 10mm on it. That could provoke a confirmation bias issue with measuring the forestay wire.
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
Possibly, when we took the old backstay off we took it into the shop to be remade so I trust their measurements. Who knows?!
@Draconisrex1
3 жыл бұрын
@@SailingMillennialFalcon That's another. Wire is tough to measure and I know that from experience as I was an inspector for a defense contractor while going through college. It's tough. O-rings are also tough.
Another great vlog! Just wondering if you have had time for another Q&A video?
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
Yes! We will film one this week 🙂
@joshtvg
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@joshtvg
3 жыл бұрын
To that end....what has been the scariest situation you've been in on land and sea?
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
Good question! 😊
Measure twice, order once.
Boatbuilders have the concept of the "moaning chair," in which one sits down to moan about mistakes one has made that are derailing the construction project in progress. I've had quite a few moaning chair moments, and this sounds like one.
Could you use anti-seize lubricant and would it work better than teflon tape or anything else?
11mm = 7/16"
I have the same piercing in the inner lobe, had mine 15years ago and now it's becoming a trend. I think we call it conch.
Just curious if you keep a binder full of part numbers and sizes of repair/replacement parts for the boat. Each time you replace something you can enter the sizes and part numbers for the next time you need to replace things.
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
That is a great idea, we’ve started a google sheets spreadsheet for it but I’ll admit I’ve been a bit forgetful to add certain measurements. So this is a good reminder for me to get on it again!
If i get another boat it will be called "Twice the Price and Three Times as Long"
Looking forward to the final fix. Why didn’t you order a new sta-loc fitting for the 10 mm stay rather that a new 11 mm head stay? Fair winds!
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
We did consider that but the wait time is pretty much the same. The 11mm also has 2 tons extra breaking strain compared to the 10mm so didn’t want to downgrade because it’s a pretty big difference.
What a disappointment, but you two are still so upbeat about everything.Just hope that your delivery date is soon !! X
Is there any way to secure your boat, dinghy and outboard motor when you go on land, or is it mostly just...trust? :D
@SailingMillennialFalcon
3 жыл бұрын
A padlock and chain really but otherwise just trust. It’s a pretty small, trustworthy place here in carriacou. In other islands or places that are a bit dodgy we lock it up on shore or raise it up and out of the the water to the side of the boat at night.
Write the diameters and lengths down in the owners book or somewhere with the important papers you have. It will come the day where you or the future owners have to replace the forestay again.
My 40 foot sailboat has 7mm stainless rigging, should I be worried?
Loctite used to require a primer if not used on Iron based materials, guess Blue 243 does not need a primer anymore? Well it has been 20 years since I did keel bolts that did require a primer, so old sea dog, no new tricks.
Wouldn’t it help to use a silicone spray over the screws, to shield them from the weather?
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. John Lennon from Beautiful Boy
@grahammewburn
3 жыл бұрын
Thank ya
Was it too small? I was hearing you say it was too tight but isn't 11mm larger than 10mm? I in the US so I'm not up on metrics.
@Dalukester2
3 жыл бұрын
11 is bigger than 10 in pretty much any measurement, metric or obsolete 😃
@MarkFuchs
3 жыл бұрын
@@Dalukester2 Thank you for clarifying. I just might be obsolete!:-)
First like 🤓✅
What about Barbados for Christmas?
Wonder if you have fallen victim to imperial versus metric sizing. 11mm is 7/16”.
The plants lavender and mint are natural mosquito repellents. Humans like the smell that the plants put off but mosquitoes can't stand the smell and if you put 5-6 plants on board you will be mosquitoe free. Great video again
probs a bit late now - but I would find some other way to support your boom whilst you are missing the forestay