One of the golden rules of longevity is to never board a plane where the pilot wears a watch designed for "300 meters water resistance".

@JustOneMoreWatch

3 жыл бұрын

Ha! 100% It doesn't breed confidence, does it?

@waktosha7378

3 жыл бұрын

@@JustOneMoreWatch LOL!

@Cohen.the.Worrier

3 жыл бұрын

Any landing you can walk, or swim, away from, is a succes in my book. 👨‍🚀

@williamwallace9427

3 жыл бұрын

Another golden rule is never take advice from a random person in the KZread comments section

@jamesblonde2271

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamwallace9427 🤣🤣🤣🤣

We need a "best Ali Express bracelets and straps" video!

@ImanSPadi

3 жыл бұрын

Maikes and hemsut is great strap 🙏

@mikecr5831

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@younusimam-thesalamproject6340

3 жыл бұрын

@@ImanSPadi they look high quality, certainly. Pretty reasonable at $15 Canadian.

@younusimam-thesalamproject6340

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikecr5831 honestly its been a bit of a toss up, some have QC issues making them unusable, but when theyre good, theyre amazing.

@edwardfletcher7790

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely ! One of the best AliExpress bargains is the US$10 Shark Mesh straps. They're actual stainless steel mesh.

Don't understand why more quartz watches don't use this type of movement, it looks so good

@batChainPuller-nz

3 жыл бұрын

I think a lot of it, with the 3 hand mechaquartz is there is no date window. Now for me that is just a bonus, but for the majority, they require a date on their watch dial. (I have the sterile dial "Glashutte" made by Geervo.) Also a minimal white dialed 40mm, that doesn't say Quartz on it!

@giusepperocchi2979

3 жыл бұрын

Because it drains battery many time faster than traditional quartz

@Visitor555

3 жыл бұрын

@@giusepperocchi2979 Then they can make it with bigger battery which lasts 10 years on normal quartz and on this one it will last 5 years which is also good. Or they can make it Solar and it will last many years more.

@batChainPuller-nz

3 жыл бұрын

@@giusepperocchi2979 vh31a movt has 2 year battery life, & costs $2.50 to replace cell

@tom282f38800

3 жыл бұрын

@@batChainPuller-nz I totally wouldn't mind changing the battery even once a year, so long as I don't need to see second hand ticking and missing every mark.

Best watch reviewer; glad the channel’s back up!

@peterkull8354

3 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍 What more can I say ?!

I messaged Escapement time about the King Seiko homage a week or so ago and told me it will be back in stock in 'about August' 👍👍

I also got that dresswatch and it simply redefines what you can expect for this kind of money. Rather than being an outright Grand Seiko homage it rather has some King Seiko design elements in it. It actually has a little bit of brushing along the inner edge of the lugs. Cracking watch that look fantastic on one either of these blue leather straps.

@Bob_Smith19

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a King Quartz homage.

I think a very slim diver with quality parts (metal movement spacer especially) and a Swiss fast-ticking quartz movement would sell pretty well, especially if it has a good brand name, proportions, build quality, and PRICE!

@SWatchik

3 жыл бұрын

Not asking for much are we 🤣

@TadEkam

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds great, but I’d also like it if it were delivered by a unicorn.

@simonbailey2151

3 жыл бұрын

Miyota 9015, 100m WR, 9mm thick please.

@truesf345

3 жыл бұрын

Try a Certina DS first , 200m great bang for buck Swiss Quartz

I have the non blued seconds hand quarts and absolutely LOVE IT! You've definitely given me some ideas for straps to pair with it. Thanks Jody, and as always, fantastic unboxing and review!!!

That's a shame. I've not heard anyone complain about the crown before and the one on mine that I bought nine months ago works beautifully. I suppose we all get the bodgy product sometime and it looks like you got a bad one. I got the Type B and I think it's a beautiful piece for the money.

@watsondna

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Mine is very smooth.

@Bob_Smith19

3 жыл бұрын

Have an issue w/ the one I just received. It’s the opposite of his. The crown doesn’t want to thread back on. It hand winds and hacks. But it’s extremely hard to screw it back on.

@jhatgotagat300

3 жыл бұрын

I own a couple of higher end brands and I have been looking at These pilot style vintage flieger watches from iwc and a couple of other brands like laco and Hamilton and honestly I started at high end said nah nothing is in it for that much went to laco and Hamilton said nah ima keep looking and then found this. Looks just like the laco but I kinda just want the laco

@hcwm2

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. Everything works fine on mine.

I have one of these Escapement Time Fliegers (Type A) like in this video, I love it! The crown and winding works perfectly fine. No complaints about the size / weight, wears comfortably for me (7.5").

I've got the Flieger "B" with the PT5000 in it. Works a treat and is running very accurately. It does sit a bit strange to begin with but I found that after a few weeks, the strap became a bit more compliant and it sits quite well now. I have the King Seiko homage too and have fallen in love with it despite being quartz. Four ticks isn't far behind a Vostok is it. I also have the Longines Conquest Heritage homage with the Miyota 9015 series movement. That is another nice little watch. Only a 38mm but wears like a 40mm. I see that this now comes with the PT5000. Overall, I think Escapement Time are producing some nice watches. They arrived with very good accuracy so I'm wondering whether they are regulated before being dispatched. Anyway, good to see the channel back Jody. I absolutely love the reviews. Stay safe.

I got the type A and I love it. The crown and mechanism work great - maybe we'll see with time. Also heard a lot of negative stuff about the strap - after switching with a black Maikes, I put the original back on and it feels and looks great imho

I got the exact same Flieger 3 days ago and I love it. No mechanical problems at all. Hated the strap though and replaced it with a Laco one (black with silver rivets). Looks like a pretty expensive watch now 😉

Love the strap 'fashion show' - great idea, and gives us some inspiration for different straps for these types of dials/hands. Would really like to see more of these in future if you can manage. Speaking as someone with a drawer full of bad strap choices for watches that looked good on a web page but not so much on the watch.... Also shame about the Flieger, hope you can find a 'goldilocks' example soon :-)

@TheDonCucaracho

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah for me 50% of the watch presence goes to the strap More strap shows please!

@jamesblonde2271

3 жыл бұрын

He already has reviewedthe Laco very favorably and as an original flieger manufacturer it's good value too.

Shame about the Flieger. I have the very same one and it's damn near perfect. I think you got a sour copy unfortunately. The crown action on mine is flawless, I can wind the movement forever.

@a.delome8023

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I bought my type A awhile back and the crown stem functions perfectly. I concur on the extreme heft of the Flieger, but on the right strap it's not unwieldy at all. I just ordered the Quartz 40mm a few days ago. At $76.00 on Ali, it was a no brainer.

Just got my Flieger 3 days ago thanks to your "recommendation" works perfect and I absolutely love it. One of the best $105 spent. Thanks

I got the "KS homage" in early summer and love it. Can't believe I've never heard of VH31 before. Seems like a brilliant quartz movement with that sweeping hand, an d makes me wonder why it seems so rarely used.

I purchased both the Type A and Type B with the PT-5000 movement. I haven't had any issues with the crown/winding. I didn't care much for the leather band it came with so I replaced these. I have been super impressed by both watches!

I got the type B and swapped the strap for a grey rubber Barton strap. It wears very nicely. The hands have more real estate that the type A. And the loom is fantastic. It has been a true smash hit for me!

I might get shot down, but Fliegers like this do nothing for me, but on the positive a classy dress piece always gets two thumbs up 👍👍, nice to see more content from you after recent events.

@JustOneMoreWatch

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate! Wearing the dressy one now. Flieger back in the box.....Oh well!

@thebaldwatchcollector

3 жыл бұрын

@@JustOneMoreWatch that grand seikoesque ET legit looks so good!!!

Wow. That dress watch is a straight up “budget” GS SBGW231. It’s a great watch to homage. The SBGW231 is absolutely stunning.

Glad you're back Champ. We're here for you!!!!! Go you good legend.

Welcome back Jody!!!! I have the type B dial flieger and I have absolutely no complaints about it. I also like the quartz especially with the first strap you saw us!!!!!

The Escapement Time Quartz really is a stunning little strap monster. Such a wonderful and beautiful watch to have ready to go at a moments notice. I do suspect it will see a lot of wrist time.

I actually really, really like the quartz one. Very handsome, and they're not trying to do too much for the price. Nice one. I think the navy blue nubuck strap with the white stitching is perfect.

Literally the only change I would make on the quartz is a domed crystal. I think that would round out that gorgeous, retro aesthetic

That quartz one actually looks pretty decent.

Excellent review as always, Jody. Good to have you back online. May it last for decades to come.

@JustOneMoreWatch

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Frederik!

Great vid, Jody! Can't wait to get one of those GS homages. Looks like they're currently sold out, but hopefully they get more in soon.

You're back! Glad you got it worked out! Yay!

Actually like how the second hand moves on the quartz

Agree, a Flieger is a Flieger, is a Flieger. I own the type B, and it's incredible value for money. I do wish it was 40mm, but Fliegers are meant to be big. Shame about the QC issue, but I prefer more water resistance than less. Dress watches aren't my thing, but that looks pretty good, albeit the strap needs swapping. Either of the first two straps look the best

Great to have you back look forward to your videos every weekend and midweek keep up the great work

I got a type b Flieger from escapement time two months ago. I have a larger wrist so it wears perfectly (Flieger watches are historically big and thick watches, so it isn't an issue for me, it give it more authenticity). For my watch, the finishing isn't perfect, there are small irregularities on the brushing of the case, but still outstanding for the price. Maybe a small quality control issue here? But for the price, it's great. I didn't expect luxury quality control for less than 90 euros. I am very pleased with the watch, and I find the heated-blue hands beautiful (yes, even with the big counterbalance of the second hand). I found it wears amazing with a nato or parachute strap. I saw some people use a metal strap with this watch, and it looks really neat.

I used to think I didn't like blue dials but after seeing a seiko srpd blue dial and blue bezel in a store, I fell in love with it. I am saving up to buy that watch now!

I received my Escapement Time Type B Flieger with the PT5000 movement. I am very pleased with it. Timegrapher measures +2sec so it is very accurate as a ETA2824-2 clone. Also, I am able to wind it no problem. Looking forward to the next Aliexpress sale.

Thanks again for reviewing, and being very descriptive, lots of affordable watches for normal folks. I now have 5 Pagani Design and 2 Steeldive watches because of your channel. These are nice, but not so much my cup of tea. (I have a 55mm Flieger and no need for more). I do agree we need a Ali-Express strap and bracelet finds video!

Both of those watches are on my list to buy changing them out every other day or switching the strap makes the watches look and feel so deferent, thank you Jodi for showing me this now I have a ton of straps and a ton of different options 👍👍👍

I purchased the Escapement Time Flieger Chronograph with the quartz Miyota 6S21 movement about year ago. It's a bit long with the lugs but I really like it. the blued hands really pop and the lume is incredible. I'm happy with my purchase.

I know this is a strange thing to thank you for...but, I appreciate where you place the adverts in your content, there almost always in a natural break in the video. Just saying it makes a difference...so thanks for the extra effort it takes to make the video flow well. Cheers!

It's a shame about that flieger because it looked so good

@basilpeewit3350

3 жыл бұрын

It IS good, I have one, and I do not share Jody's criticism. And although there is no call for the watertightness as such, it's not a reason NOT to buy it. The San Martin fliegers also have screw down crowns btw.

@bobbob-xf3yg

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree with Jomw aswell. The crown works and the proportions are they same as the laco, which he recommends. Also, the stowa, has a big cantilever on the second hand. He must be having an off day

My Typ B arrived 2 weeks ago, I am 100% satisfied, no latency, no problem with the winding position, no date (which is perfect since I cant see that for a while), however it is bigger than any of my 36-39 regular sized ones. First I thought it is too big, but hey this is a 'flieger' style watch, so it should be big. I used to it by now, love it!

By the way Jodi, welcome back! Was shocked to hear your channel got deleted. But thankfully, by the time I heard about it (saw your video) you had been reinstated. Would've been gutted to be honest! You really awakened the latent love for horology in me...

Yes, I have been eyeing these escapement time, not the flieger though, I already have a SanMartin and very happy with it, this version always seems strange to me. However this little quartz is really a great little dress watch, simple no date, cream dial, great hand, it is a stunner.

The flieger-crown is obviously a QC-dud. I have the exact same watch (only with type-b dial) and there is no problem with the crown whatsoever. The hands are indeed blued, not "blue" but blued, at least according to other reviews here on the tube (one guy even took it to his local watch-shop, and they confirmed it was blued). The 300meters and the height lends the watch an elegant ruggedness. My wrist is just short of 7 inches, and I don't find the watch oversized whatsoever. My girlfriend (with even slimmer wrists) tried it, and when she wore it, it looked even more rugged-cool. I do not find that it wears "odd" in any way. In short: apart from the obvious QC-dud, I could hardly agree less with your review of the ET Flieger. I think it's an absolute stunner, and (as another reviewer put it) "tough little bugger" at the same time. A matter of taste obviously :)

Hu Jody, great unboxing and I love the Quarts watch. I still would like a Flieger but will look else where for it.Kepp up the good work

I purchased the PT5000 movement type b flieger and it is an excellent watch for the case finish simple brushing but well executed and the movement is amazing I received the watch 5 weeks ago and I set against a reference time and it has deviated by under 2 seconds fast. Like most people I have a few higher end watches and this is running as well or even better than some, for the money it's an amazing deal basically a no-brainer if you are hesitating about buying one I can only say your money won't be wasted. All in all a great watch.

Hi Jody, nice to see you back to doing what you do best. I’ve got the one hit Escapement time watch great watch,put it on a beige leather strap to counter the cool dial, looks good however you have now got me thinking blue straps must give them a try.

@JustOneMoreWatch

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bev!

The type B flieger I have is Awesome from Escapement time, no problems hacking and hand winding, never missed a beat. And I also have the quartz too both great watches for the money.

I have the exact same flieger and put it on a black silicone strap. I don't hand wind so that does't bother me. It is one of my favorites as I like the simplicity of the design.

About a year ago I bought combination of those two watch. A flight style with VH31 movement. Perfect every day watch.

Thank God you're back!

glad u are reviewing these. iv been wondering about them

Hi Jody, just to update. I got the replacement watch from escapement time and it has exactly the same issue after using it for approx 5 minutes. Highly disappointed. Just sent a message to the seller there, we'll see what happens. In both watches i received there was an issue with the crown and stem and the threading of the crown. The rotor spins wildly when you are tightening up the crown. Oh, also the strap for the second one fell apart when I attempted to wear the watch. In other news I got the steeldive willard homage today. Really impressed. Accuracy about +6 per day and the beat error a bit high but really good for the money an the lume is just incredible. I took your advice too and got the black one with the black rubber band. Fantastic value

Great to cu back! May I ask how many watches you own at the moment after all those reviews? Greetings from Germany

My Escapement Time flieger has just arrived and I like it. I admit that was afraid of opening the box after watching this video. But it is actually fine. Nothing wrong with hand winding. Too much water resistance? Can there be too much of it? I can't even swim, but I do believe that such a high level means higher quality seals, tighter tolerances, stronger case construction, better engineering overall. And all of that is not bad. And this one feels totally solid. Unlike some other fliegers I had tried, that were chunky and unwieldy for nothing.

Love this channel.. I'm your fan from Malaysia 😉

I bought the quartz watch few month ago and I love it, great value for the money.

Great unboxing Jody, Totally agree on the Flieger Type A or B are almost all the same, with just how much do you want to pay for it :D Most of the affordable Fliegers give 90% of the pleasure of wearing a Flieger but for 10% of the price.

Hands are actually blued not just blue! I own the pt5000 type b flieger and it is almost perfect. Wears very well on my 7" wrist and I'm getting crazy accuracy from the pt5000. I really like the screwdown crown and wr capabilities, makes it a much better daily "beater". Less worried about knocking/snagging the unprotected crown.. Though 300m wr is a bit excessive, there's really no downside! The one I have is less than 12mm. thick.

A longer than usual comment. I understand that characteristics of traditional "Fliegers" are that they have larger crowns to facilitate their use by pilots wearing gloves. They traditionally have larger dials so the pilot can read them while keeping one extended hand on the joy stick. If you check out the original Luftwaffe Fliegers, they are really big watches. Straps were also extended, to allow them to be worn over flight suits...rather like moon watches! There is some confusion over the dial types, with type 'B' being issued to the "Bombadier" or "Bomb Aimer", whose job was to make sure the bombs hit the target. Approaching the target, the bomb aimer took command of the aircraft and issued commands/directions to the pilot, whose job was now to fly the aircraft straight and level , to allow the bomb aimer to acquire the target. Time over target was kept to an absolute minimum, as flying straight and level made you a sitting duck for enemy fighters or flak. As time over target was a matter of minutes, bomb aimer's watches are marked in minutes. Bombs dropped, the pilot took back command and headed back to base... a flight that would take hours, hence the dial marked in hours. I think that modern sensitivities have led to the 'B' being called the 'Navigator', to avoid its grim purpose !

I jumped on that Escapement Time quartz when you previewed it in your aliexpress sale video Jodi and I'm really glad I did. It looks like it is out of stock or possibly discontinued now.

I’ve had pleasure of owning the type B flieger and no problem with the crown, actually its the plus part of the watch and love that onion crown feel and look too. Have not owned the type A, glade i made right decision 🙂

Keep up the good work don't let nothing bring you down in this world or nobody always be the voice that we need to be heard thank you

First time I've seen someone complain about too much water resistance

@basilpeewit3350

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed!

@daws817

3 жыл бұрын

Agree, that is a plus, not a complain.

great review Jody, thx I have both and they were one of my 1st purchases from AliExpress. I ditched the strap on both of them. I dont have a prob with hand winding on the flieger and i love the simplicity/readbility of the dial. The case thickness doesn't bother me but to be fair it's probably a little thicker by a mm or two due to the embossed airplane on the case back. I love my Quartz and it gets a lot of wrist time - i wear it on a matt navy blue leather strap with white stitching and i think it's the 'doggies bollocks' for the amount of money that i paid for it . I'm loving your blue perlon strap , so I'm going to buy one too.

@davidtodd907

3 жыл бұрын

p.s....the E.T. quartz has been sold out since e/o May (...again) . Obviously popular.

My fleger was fine, just replaced the strap (8.25inwrist...) fits perfectly on me! Cheers

I own both, the b type flieger and the King Seiko homage... Love them! Amazing value for the money. Note : I don't have the issue with the crown

I really like the quartz model, excellent choice!

If you have a look on the Baumuster B version you understand why the counterbalance of the second hand is that long: a marvelous detail of the "B"! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Two days in a row after the incident, take the weekend off at JOMW mansions! :P

@JustOneMoreWatch

3 жыл бұрын

Never! Ha!

I bought the Escapement time flieger about 9 month ago. I rarely wear it, it does wear comfortable.

i got the dress watch a couple weeks ago. Spectacular for the money....that VH31 movement needs to show up in a lot more watches from a lot more brands.

Great unboxing!

Love the Gs Val model. My just came in the other day. Have it paired with the black cement perlon from WCWC. Wish GS would do the same with their quarts models and a higher end vk style caliber

Great video! Keep it up Jody mate.

@JustOneMoreWatch

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate!

Shame about the stem on the Flieger i bought the B type and have had no problem. I think the ghost position can put some people off .

@basilpeewit3350

3 жыл бұрын

Same here!

@wtfiswiththosehandles

3 жыл бұрын

I also have the type B. But not sure why ghost position would put people off, it's not exactly unheard of to have ghost position on a watch with no date window. Not sure why 300m water resistance would be a 'moan' from Jody either. I mean, if it's capable of 300m then it should be advertised as such...

@basilpeewit3350

3 жыл бұрын

@@wtfiswiththosehandles indeed!

That blue perlon strap damn near made me want to open a new tab and buy both the ET & strap.

Good morning from Ohio! 2 days in a row, Jody you're spoiling us. Thanks!

@ddixon72

3 жыл бұрын

O H

@christopherjohnson4276

3 жыл бұрын

@@ddixon72 I O! 😃

I got the B dial, it's amazing. No issues at all.

Gosh, I really am flag the channel is back up. I would like to see you order an additional stem and fix the flieger or perhaps put Ali express returns to the test (if you haven't already). Does your omega need a service yet? I would be interested in a review on the service you get for that. Keep it up and thanks for keeping my sane last year.

There ARE brushed surfaces on the quartz one, check the lugs :) Small detail but looks really nice.

@JustOneMoreWatch

3 жыл бұрын

Yes mate, I spotted them after, a little brushing on the inner edges. It really is very nice, eh? I kept it on the slimmer blue leather, and it looks sweet.

I got the fleiger best alli exspress wathch i got...thought the 300 meters water resistant was a good touch..dont have to worry about it ..if ur an active guy...my crown seems to work ok...love ur chanel man....

Do like the GS homage and some great strap ideas. Still waiting for the straps video you promised a few months back for the edifice efv 100d.

I like blue dial watches 😢 Btw welcome back.

New to your channel. Great video. 💙 the VW Bus tee. The dress watch is intriguing - great case proportions.

It's unfortunate that you had an issue with the crown on the flieger Jody. The dress one is a strap monster, I have mine on distressed vintage leather strap at the moment. I absolutely love it. I've reviewed quite a few Escapement Times watches now, I think I was the first to review actually. In fact I've just got another one, that I'll be doing a video on soon which you might be interested in.

Hi, Jody! Too bad about the Flieger...I have three Type A and a couple of Type B Fliegers, so obviously I'm something of a fan of the type. Liked the other one, mostly because as you say, it's a strap monster and I like to swap them out to change the look a bit. Thanks for a mighty fine video!

The GS homage one really blew my mind. Hard to believe such great look can cost so little. Looking forward for the restock.

@Bob_Smith19

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a King Quartz homage. Grand Seiko and King Seiko were two different sub brands.

@tom282f38800

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bob_Smith19 I thought this one looks like a homage to SBGW235. Does KS have this style too?

Picked up a Chameri GS which has the same movement, hands and also has AR coating and a screw-down crown for $59.00. The off-white dial sort of cream dial actually looks amazing at least from a distance. I'll probably put a perlon strap on my Chameri GS. As far as the Escapement watch IMO if the watch had AR coating I'd get one. The Chameri GS doesn't have any script on the crown but then again doesn't need any for $59.00 The main thing I like about homage watches is their price point and no need to be concerned about them although I care for all my watches equally.

I had the same problem with my TC-9. The issue turned out to be the stem spring did not have enough oomph to pop out the crown properly. Needed a new stem and spring. It will be interesting to see the lume, otherwise I don't see the attraction of the flieger. It's too thick. Mesh on the Feiko is great, but have you got a cream leather strap somewhere? A little table with some cheese, a glass of sangria...

Ooh, I do like that quartz 😍

Check your box from Ali for the watch stem. I bought the components to assemble a watch (thanks to your video last month) and found the crown and stem included even though I didn’t order them

I have both the watches showcased in this video. Unless the dimensions are a problem for you, I would suggest anyone looking for an affordable flieger to go for it. The 300M WR just makes it more utilitarian in my opinion. Too bad you got a piece with a defect. I got the Type B about 6 months ago and I wear it often and enjoy it. When it comes to the dress piece, it's honestly a no-brainer. Nowhere else are you going to get that level of finishing for $70. PS: The hands in both pieces are supposed to be thermally blued according to the seller. Don't know if that is true but definitely looks better than the painted hands I have seen in other watches.

Really happy when you talked with horology story

During the latest sale I picked up an Addiesdive flieger-type and it seems to be better quality that this one - I've been pleasantly surprised. That quartz watch seems pretty nice, though.

@kenthiasoutdooradventures2294

3 жыл бұрын

I also have the Addiesdive flieger and I like it better than the E.T. Fliegers are supposed to be all about legibility, and the AD with its broader handset and far superior lume is a much better watch (at a lower price) than the ET that I just got in the mail. Buyer's remorse 🤨

Excellent shipping packaging. Some are just placing the watch in a plastic bag and good luck it works. Not a leather fan, soaks up sweat and stinks later.

I hope you'll do a full review of both!

Hi Jody, I bought that King Seiko homage (not Grand Seiko! lol) after you hinted at it in a previous vid. Love the VH31 movement as I dislike regular 1 tick/second quartz watches however I've had some weird issues with its timekeeping. Sometimes it's at +4s within a few days of setting it, other times like today it was at -30 seconds within a couple of days of setting it. Let us know if you have any issues!

Love ur T shirt mate!