Oddly enough Jesus seemed to think that the OT was true. I think I'll side with him rather than a completely unproved scientific theory

@richardgregory3684

4 ай бұрын

So a bible story is true...because it says so in a bible story? That's a special kind of dumb you have there.

@Juliang61

4 ай бұрын

Then mark me dumb, I believe it 100%. @@richardgregory3684

@robertblackmon1

4 ай бұрын

Jesus IS the old testament as His IS the new.

@robertblackmon1

4 ай бұрын

@@Moist._Robot you've proven ignorance is NOT bliss... God says there is no other god before or after Him.

@Moist._Robot

4 ай бұрын

@@robertblackmon1 Who wrote that?

When they claim that there's no evidence, they are really proclaiming that they are not interested in watching evidence. They click on a video with evidence and immediately go to comment, never watching the video at all! It's evident in the comments that they post, when they include no information from the video they are supposedly watching.

@wangmary888

4 ай бұрын

They maybe the vessels which God prepared to be crashed if they do not quickly repent. They intentionally and conciously choose the doomed and cursed, not the lucky and blessed. In order to get a little bit interest from the world, they can give up their eternal life. They are the most unwise and stupid.

@fabianwittmann8121

4 ай бұрын

As an atheist, who has watched some of those videos, I've got to admit, that I stop watching them as soon as there is a completely nonsentical claim. That often happens in the first minute. Proofs based on wrong assumptions can't work.

@razark9

4 ай бұрын

I've watched several. It's all anti-science propaganda from top to bottom. The very few times there's a tiny kernel of truth in their videos it's usually grossly exaggerated or blatantly misrepresented or used to lend credibility to their other completely made-up fantasies.

@leroyjenkins3744

4 ай бұрын

Saying that you’re illogical claim is evidence doesn’t make it evidence

@jacob.tudragens

4 ай бұрын

@@leroyjenkins3744 Thanks for proving my point!

The god of this world has blinded these poor "scientific" compromising so called Christians. May God remove the blindfold on their eyes. Thank you for making make it sense.

@Moist._Robot

4 ай бұрын

Would you prefer the god of this world or the god of another world?

@RobertLee-tv4hc

4 ай бұрын

Daniel 1:4 (KJV) - Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans. 1 Timothy 6:20 (KJV) - O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

@Moist._Robot

4 ай бұрын

@@RobertLee-tv4hc What did any of that even mean?

@RobertLee-tv4hc

4 ай бұрын

@@Moist._Robot Study and find out. i spent years in school studying the secular sciences. Then I spent years studying the Bible and find itnill is a trustworthy book of history and and the eveidence over the years back it up. Thats all. I wish the best for you.😃

@Moist._Robot

4 ай бұрын

@@RobertLee-tv4hc Pasting bible verses makes you look brainwashed.

I am glad that I’m an ancient Grinch. I am well beyond the age of doubt. I believe in my heart, mind, and soul that the Holy Bible is 100% true. My life’s experience and God’s grace has taught me the truth.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

So how come you can't elucidate that a bit better? I would say that belief is immaterial. If you think virgin birth, water walking and resurrections are 100% true then you might be asked to provide some evidence. I have asked many times for evidence of deities, demons, 200 million angels in heaven and so on but I either get stony silence or an ugly rebuke. Very often "christians" start out with a blessing and end with a curse: "god loves you. Now repent or die!" To equate any of these things to a young earth myth is simply nonsensical.

@georg7120

4 ай бұрын

How can the bible be 100 percent true when it contains contradictions?

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

You are beyond the age of learning. Don’t kid yourself.

@fenton993

4 ай бұрын

@@georg7120 Ok, give me an example

@georg7120

4 ай бұрын

@@fenton993 See for example "Quiz Show (Bible Contradictions)

As a over 20 years' believer, the more I know Jesus through reading the Bible and the inspiration of Holy Spirit, the more I have the same feeling as Paul's seeing all the wordly things as dung in which there is no complete reason, inculding atheism, idolatry, paganism, Maxism, all the philosophies from persons, and all the shallow popularity on earth, etc. Jesus Himself is the only perfect and real truth, while all the things from sinners are polluted even if some of them have very good ans clean even holy objective.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

Jesus is a copy of earlier god legends, it never existed.

@binhanh296

4 ай бұрын

@@maylingng4107 or those demonic false gods tried to copy the work of the One True God, Jesus, in order to discredit the work of the God Almighty.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

@@binhanh296 There is no evidence for any Jesus, all gods are invented by very ignorant people. What makes Jesus the true god and all the other gods false? What is your evidence? And how do we test that evidence?

@binhanh296

4 ай бұрын

@@maylingng4107 until this day, there are a lot of people around the world, who never knew Jesus, in there time of need, Jesus appeared to them and save them from despair, and they share their testimonies. Seems like all of them are lying, and only know the truth then. Krishna didn't appear to save them, Allah didn't appear to save them, Buddha didn't appear to save them, a lot of Muslim in Iran turned to Christianity, because Jesus appeared to them, around 7 thousands people report Jesus appeared to them. Yep, all of them are lying, only you know the truth, "there is no evidence for Jesus at all".

@troywalstra9300

4 ай бұрын

​@@maylingng4107goes to show your ignorance of the LORD Jesus Christ and what he did on the cross. The word gospel means “good news,” which is the message of forgiveness for sin through the atoning work of Jesus Christ. It is essentially God’s rescue plan of redemption for those who will trust in His divine Son in order to be reconciled to a just and holy God. The essential content of this saving message is clearly laid out for us in the Bible. In the apostle Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians, he lays out the content of the gospel message, “Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). In this passage, we see three essential elements of the gospel message. First, the phrase “died for our sins” is very important. As Romans 3:23 tells us, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” The reality of sin needs to be acknowledged by all who approach the throne of God for salvation. A sinner must acknowledge the hopelessness of his guilt before God in order for forgiveness to take place, and he must understand that the “wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). Without this foundational truth, no gospel presentation is complete. Second, the person and work of Christ are indispensable components of the gospel. Jesus is both God (Colossians 2:9) and man (John 1:14). Jesus lived the sinless life that we could never live (1 Peter 2:22), and, because of that, He is the only one who could die a substitutionary death for the sinner. Sin against an infinite God requires an infinite sacrifice. Therefore, either man, who is finite, must pay the penalty for an infinite length of time in hell, or the infinite Christ must pay for it once. Jesus went to the cross to pay the debt we owe to God for our sin, and those who are covered by His sacrifice will inherit the kingdom of God as children of the king (John 1:12). Third, the resurrection of Christ is an essential element of the gospel. The resurrection is the proof of the power of God. Only He who created life can resurrect it after death, only He can reverse the hideousness that is death itself, and only He can remove the sting that is death and the victory that is the grave’s (1 Corinthians 15:54-55). Further, unlike all other religions, Christianity alone possesses a Founder who transcends death and who promises that His followers will do the same. All other religions were founded by men and prophets whose end was the grave. Finally, Christ offers His salvation as a free gift (Romans 5:15; 6:23), that can only be received by faith, apart from any works or merit on our part (Ephesians 2:8-9). As the apostle Paul tells us, the gospel is “the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile” (Romans 1:16). The same inspired author tells us, “If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). These, then, are the essential elements of the gospel: the sin of all men, the death of Christ on the cross to pay for those sins, the resurrection of Christ to provide life everlasting for those who follow Him, and the offer of the free gift of salvation to all.

God I love this channel! Bless our great brother Calvin Smith, his family, friends, and all who will watch and recieve wisdom and clarity about this subject. Amen!

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

Calvin is a paid propagandist in service of Answers in Genesis, managed by Ken Ham. They preach the ridiculous nonsense that the earth is 6,000 years old.

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

You and Calvin should take up wrestling. Calvin prefers it hot oil.

@troywalstra9300

4 ай бұрын

​@Bomtombadi1 do you share your enlightened knowledge with Orthodox Jews and Muslims also? Or is it just Christians?

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

@@troywalstra9300 seeing as I am a former Christian, and that Muslims and Jews all say the same things with a different name, I stick with Christians. Why do you ask?

@user-hh3cz1km6h

4 ай бұрын

@@Bomtombadi1 Because you come off like one more sorry backstabber.

Perhaps in eternity, Mr. Wright will not be associated with "those people."

God once asked Job if he was there when God created the Earth, the giant creatures of the land and sea. Same question: was this guy (MT Wright or what’s his name is) there when God created everything?

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

Was calvin? Were you? Was the guy who wrote Genesis?

@dagwould

4 ай бұрын

@@jockyoung4491 The historicity of Genesis was endorsed by Yeshua. Better to bring a positive argument than attempt a fallacious evasion.

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

@@dagwouldhe was a fcking Jewish rabbi. WTF do you think he would endorse? Or are you one of those people who thinks jesus was a Christian?

@mattbrook-lee7732

4 ай бұрын

I'm here right now. And radiometric dating says the earth is billions of years old. The geometric column shows that it was lifeless for about a billion years. And the increasing complexity of fossils as you go up the strata tells me that life forms were not all created at the same time. You stick with your book if you want though

@MrReasonabubble

4 ай бұрын

​@@dagwouldthere's irony in you accusing someone of fallacious evasion and then trying to insist that your holy text is true because it includes endorsements of itself.

I put this up a short time ago, but it didn't appear to 'stick'. Apologies if its a 'my end' problem. Wright at least has spoken, albeit briefly on his reasons for his view. Creationists however seem to lack a real theological outworking of the historical creation. Sure the literature is full of sound (IMO) defenses of the nature of the text as narrative, and its general reasonableness ( with the vehemence of the modern world in opposition being more to do with its doctrinaire naturalism than any real substantive objections), but a theological discussion of the creation is rare; and where it is not, amounts to a recitation of the passage in longer form. But there is a theology that does emerge from Genesis 1 but cannot emerge from a-historical, analogical, metaphorical or fantastic (as in fantasy) views of the text. It revolves around three major points: 1--God's creating in natural days (expressed in similar form to Numbers 7:12ff) shows him to be acting directly and concretely in space and time, with the only mediator being his Word. He does not distance himself from the creation, nor use the creation itself as some sort of intermediary; which would invite worship of the creation rather than the creator; he connects himself to it and values it ('very good') 2--God's creating in natural days shows in real concrete terms that he is present and active in the space-time he created for us to be his image-bearers in and be in communion with him, but is not captured within it. This sets the context for the theophanies throughout the Bible, the work of the prophets and the Incarnation. God is not the deist figment, isolated from the cosmos, nor a Neo-platonic left-over disdainful of the material creation. Rather, he rejoices in it! 3--He creates by word: the creation is shown to actually have real propositional content and reflects this in the rational causality of the work over the 6 days. This shows the creation cognate with our own propositional capability and gives us confidence in our ability to 'rule' over the creation and as we come to know it to express that knowledge propositionally: in 'words' by which we communicate. This also gives us confidence that we can gain real knowledge of the real concrete creation, because it was directly made by the real concrete (not abstract, platonic, deist or pan-everythingist) god as were we in his image: like him. Naturalism, as Plantinga argues, cannot provide this type of confidence. Over all Genesis 1, and on to 3) sets the frame of reference for our knowledge of ourselves, the creation, our Creator and the inter-connections between then. It cogently grounds theories of knowledge, of being and of ethics and locates them in the nature of God who is love, who is communicative within the god-head; and with us, and who only gives truth. It avoids the arid dead end of pagan philosophical speculations that either place god within the cosmos, merge god into it impersonally, or remove him from it deistically or in a mute spiritism. It gives us real confidence in the real world as cognate with our experience of it.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

You fling the word god around as if you think it is a real thing. The "christian" one of course. Suspiciously, most gods are quite human like. The god of the OT is sometimes singular, sometimes plural, but never triangular. Not even hinted at. The creation myth is both superficial and bizarre. For example, both wind and water exist before light. It also assumes that an infinite and omnipotent deity who is beyond space, time and morality would be bothered constructing a tiny blue planet and stocking it with various creatures including his hapless 'likeness'. And then the omniscient deity discovers its own regretful design accident. Endless dire punishment coming up! Love indeed. As for the quite dreadful "christian" mutation, it is almost entirely pagan in origin.

@scottfw7169

4 ай бұрын

​@@rf7477 Re: "You fling the word god around ..." No, actually, we don't, what we fling around is the word God, it and god are very different things. _(am simultaneously sorry and not sorry for the following wall of text)_ At some point in the history of the English language as employed by Christianity capitalization of God was put in to place in order to designate the monotheistic God of Abraham as different from other forms of deities. True, it does assume an infinite omnipotent deity who is beyond space and time, and I'm pretty sure scripture teaches that outright. Umm, less beyond morality and more the source of morality. Well, see, this tiny little ball of rock and water is the venue in which a larger and eternal thing is brought to completion. If God is indeed as He is quoted in scripture in Isiah chapter 50, the one who declares the end from the beginning and the one who brings all his plans to completion, then there are no accidents. If the worldview applied to scripture is one of pure materialism the much of scripture will by definition make no sense; if the supernatural is as much an actual thing as is presented in scripture, then it makes sense. If this God with a capital G is as perfect as scripture claims, then God is perfectly just and perfectly loving and perfectly merciful. From the Genesis 3 verse 15 first statement of what the plan is, a plan of redemption is made known to humanity. From there onward scripture shows us, teaches us, that humanity can not save and redeem itself, and therefore an outside redeemer is required. Bizarre?, true, to materialistic humanity it is most bizarre that the one God who is beyond time and space is manifested in three persons. Bizarre even more that one person of that Godhead could exist in a form which was simultaneously and non-contradictory 100% God and 100% human, with being 100% human being the necessity allowing Him to redeem us. Again, referring to text in Isiah, the life and death of Jesus Christ was no accident, was no contingency plan, it was declared from the beginning, it was decided before the foundation of the world, at least one place in scripture says. Love is that an eternal blameless person of God bizarrely, supernaturally, absorbed humanity's failures, humanity's sin, in order to allow those humans whom God had brought in to being, to spend their upcoming eternal existence in the presence of His perfection, perfect love, perfect purity, perfect justice, perfect love, perfect mercy. Why any humans resist, and even aggressively resist, that offer of personal redemption is a wonder. But, hey, love requires allowing those who do not want to share their future with God to have that choice. A choice where thanks to something humanity did in the past to allow the knowledge and the experience of good and evil to enter this world, the 'default setting' for both the world and the humans inhabiting it was altered from a default of good to a default of evil. The life and death of Jesus Christ are the method to pay the legal consequence of that evil. The resurrection of Jesus Christ is to seal that payment, is to allow all who choose to the ability to be adopted in to the now debt-free future. Bizarrely, to the materialistic worldview, that same Jesus has left this world and said that at some future point He will return to reclaim possession and rule of it. If scripture is allowed to say what it says, free of theology imposed upon it before reading, it shows at varying levels of suggestion or bluntness, what has happened, what is being done about it, what will happen, and it shows that from the beginning.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

@@scottfw7169 I'm sure your god must seem very real to you. The capitalization of sky monsters is very much older than "christianity".

@takyrica

4 ай бұрын

@@rf7477I pray that the God of the Old Testament removes the scales from your eyes. He will do it if you humble yourself and ask.

I am very disappointed with NT Wright’s mean and unloving comments. I don’t see him trying with a heart that has genuine regard, to quietly meet to talk about it from a love of Christ position if he feels there is an error. Where is the love of Christ he is suppose to have? It’s seems that he doesn’t believe that those who watch this channel are genuine Christians. Even so, the command to go out into the world with the gospel, which he believes since he is an apologist, should also include those who follow these Christian channels. He shows more respect and kindness to atheists who both hate his God, and the very thought of Christianity. Actually, he’s kind of behaving like Richard Dawkins. I expect this of Richard, but I don’t expect this from him.

@mirandahotspring4019

4 ай бұрын

Atheists do not hate god. They simply lack a belief in a god or gods. How do you hate something you have no belief in? Do you hate unicorns?

Daniel 1:4 (KJV) - Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans. 1 Timothy 6:20 (KJV) - O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

You make it make sense!

Discovery of soft tissue really put a monkey wrench in the cogs of the millions of years theory. How is Luci the baboon doing these days? Hope she is getting plenty rest for her age.🤣

@richardgregory3684

4 ай бұрын

It really didn;t. It wasn;t soft tissue, it was the _fossilised remains_ of soft tissue. It was once thought that such tissues could not fossilise, but it turns out they can, in a process similar to polymerisation. It's just much rarer.

@annieoaktree6774

4 ай бұрын

Lucy the fossil _Australopithecus_ was found 50 years ago. Since that time we've found the fossils of over 300 more _Australopithecus_ individuals, some up to 95% complete. Now what were you whining about? 🙂

@wangmary888

4 ай бұрын

Like your "put a monkey wrench in the cogs of the millions of years theory". Hope this wrench to block the lying cogs into dung! Those cogs have ground so many people into Hell.

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

The Earth is over 4 billion years old. Deal with it.

@RobertLee-tv4hc

4 ай бұрын

@@annieoaktree6774 Who's whining?

Strike 2 for NT wright. First he embraces supersessionism then rejects biblical literalism.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

Most "christians" can't decide between biblical symbolism and literalism. In fact most "christians" have to invoke 'context, or allegory, or metaphor' or some other euphemism for interpretation of something that is supposed to be gods holy and infallible word.

@dagwould

4 ай бұрын

But at least he's not Calvinist. Supersessionism has its strengths as well.

@chrissanfino761

4 ай бұрын

Well Calvin had it partially correct, as did arminius. Christians do need to understand context, in order to use symbolism or literalism to interpret scripture. Genesis 1-11 was always intended to be taken literal as was most of Revelation. In fact usually symbology is invoked in Revelation, when the reader already has come across the symbology before (in Daniel, Zechariah, etc.) Symbology is clearly used in those books because the interpretation of dreams and visions are given immediately following. Hence, context is important.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

@@chrissanfino761 Good luck with that. "christians" still don't know if the eucharist is literal or symbolic. Invoked symbology? Intention to take revelation literally? A 1500 mile cubic heaven? Where somebody has bronze feet? BTW the book of Daniel was written in 167 BC. Its prophecy in reverse is symbolic of fraud. It is quite astonishing how so much obfuscation can be described as inerrancy.

As a former atheist and evolutionist, who firmly believed in those "endorsed theories", might I say it was 100% science the convinced me that we are not the product of random chance. Not religion of any type - period! Rather, just looking at and applying basic science consistently, led me to reject the multiple evolutionary theories. It collapsed every position I believed in my entire life (e.g. dating techniques, the fossil record, etc). It was not for some time later that I looked at all the world religions and realized that Jesus Christ was truly who He claimed to be, the Son of God who died to save me. Genesis is historical and literal.

Dangerous indeed! Dangerous fueling the fires of debate. Dangerous swinging the hammer that drives a wedge to divide the body. Dangerous thinking it's in the name of righteousness. This is not a salvation issue and is not of prime importance. How it ever got to the point where it became core church doctrine is beyond me. Also, I would like to know the source of that N.T. Wright comment.

People who pass judgement are usually a legend in their own mind. Pride.

@user-jw2kl5ul3v

4 ай бұрын

So by passing judgement on other christians, presumably Calvin is "a legend in his own mind". Thanks for confirming.

@suggesttwo

4 ай бұрын

@@user-jw2kl5ul3v Many so called Christians have put me through hell on earth treating me like I am not a follow. Torah means instructions and guidance. People talking behind my back instead of to my face. People treating me like an adulterer... I didn't ask her out. I was trying to look at her ring finger. It's usually the fastest way. Unless she has children. Then I was cheating on someone I wasn't going out with. Calvanist churches give Baptist a bad name claiming to be Baptist. John Calvin did have one of his detractors executed, so Yes he was. And finally the bait and switch. A calvanist church not a Baptist Church. Pentecostal Church just as bad. He left her. She's still bound forever. 1Corrinthians 7:15

@suggesttwo

4 ай бұрын

@@user-jw2kl5ul3v If I not one of the chosen one that would explain a lot.

Yes, as a matter of fact I was explaining the earth to be about 6000 years old to a guy at the truck stop last night because he was worried about nuclear waste affecting the earth in 150000 years .

Based on my long-termed reading the Bible even in Greek, I found any word in the Bible has their face value and deep or inspirational value in accordance, no any word to be against this accordance, which alway transmits the important info for our salvation, the more knowledge of God and our deeper faith in Jesus.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

How did you find the stories where god murders millions in the Flood including millions of babies and infants?

@spazzabilly

4 ай бұрын

Can you type that again in English please?

Great

I love how Calvin is so adamantly opposed to anybody "compromising' with reality.

@samburns9350

4 ай бұрын

Creationists have always had an adversarial relationship with reality.

@leroyjenkins3744

4 ай бұрын

It’s becoming more and more hard science denial now. They just keep digging that hole lol

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

@@leroyjenkins3744 Calvin makes it very explicit at the beginning of this video: "It seems that many Christian leaders, in a bid for intellectual credibility amongst unbelievers, have adopted secular interpretations of science over the plain reading of the biblical text in Genesis, so as to not appear like simpletons in this modern age."

@leroyjenkins3744

4 ай бұрын

@@jockyoung4491I swear I can’t understand why these people see this as factual and unbiased lol

totally agree

So does W. T. Wright not even believe in Adam and Eve?

@travistibbs1530

4 ай бұрын

He probably just chooses not to associate with them because they refuse to believe what he believes. 😄

Thank you for this video. Yes, let us hang on tight to Genesis and creation of 6 six days and a 7th day sabbath. It is the truth of God's word.

@logicalatheist1065

Ай бұрын

Stick your head in the sand and ignore the facts?

I'm sorry about my following comment I didn't reread it before I hit send and sometimes this phone does not record what I actually say so for the wording mistakes I am sorry..

Shameful of NT Wright. So much of his teachings are good, though. This shows that he's imperfect like the rest of us.

Calvin is the perfect person to preach about the dangers of looking like a simpleton.

@wangmary888

4 ай бұрын

Right, but OSAS, maybe from his sect, has misguided believers, more or less.

@leroyjenkins3744

4 ай бұрын

lol the one thing he’s abundantly qualified to teach

God help us all not to fall victim to this “great deception” in the name of Jesus, Amen! (Psalm 14:1 KJV, Matthew 24:24 KJV, 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 KJV and to avoid deception John 3:16 KJV)

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

The myth of Jesus is your deception.

@vebnew

4 ай бұрын

@@maylingng4107 Psalm 14:1 KJV

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

@@vebnew The bible is a book or horror stories of murder, rape, etc. by a god. Can you name a single EYEWITNESS to Jesus (outside the bible which was compiled only in the 3rd and 4th centuries), who mentions one word about anyone called Jesus??? There were more than a dozen historians and writers lived around Jerusalem contemporaneously.

@troywalstra9300

4 ай бұрын

​@@maylingng4107you have the spirit of antichrist in you. Where will take the mark of the beast, right hand or forehead?

There's no such thing as an evolutionist. There are people who can understand and/or accept science regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof and then there are the flat earther and creationist types.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

yes

Richard Dawkins said: I think the evangelical Christians have really sort of got it right, in a way, in seeing evolution as the enemy. Whereas, what shall we say, the more sophisticated theologians are quite happy to live with evolution, I think they are deluded. I think the evangelicals have got it right, in that there really is a deep incompatibility between evolution and Christianity, and I think I realized that at the age of about sixteen.

Calvin Smith is compromising on Genesis 1 and 2!

Normally I try to poke the bear with atheists, but I need to poke the bear with my non Pentecostal fellow believers. I agree with the Bible regarding Genesis, because it's the Bible. However, it's also...odd... to refuse to believe the Bible when it comes to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the physical evidence of speaking in tongues, as well as Spiritual Gifts and the five fold ministry. I know Christians who deny Genesis as literal history, yet believe in the Pentecostal/Charismatic experience described in overwhelming detail in the NT. Then I know fellow Christians who stand on God's Word when it comes to Genesis but then completely deny the clear teachings of The Word of God regarding the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the physical evidence of speaking in tongues, the Spiritual Gifts and the five fold ministry. I think we should take God at His Word from Genesis all the way through Revelation. Genesis is the solid foundation on which the Bible was built and it seems so unwise to twist scriptures to try to work in parts of a science fiction mythology from the 1800's, but it's also equally unwise to reject the clear teachings of the Bible regarding the Pentecostal Charismatic experience, since Jesus gave it at the inception of the NT church on the Day of Pentecost. We need all the Bible... not just the parts that make us comfortable

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

So when did the "christian" church decide that we don't need the book of Enoch? Um, the tongue talkers? How about the happy clappy, the water splashy, and the sky whisperer. The self flagellater, the bible basher and the child tormentor. The cross carriers, the weeping statues, the stigmata faker, the fake fakir and the clerics dressed in hyper drag. The rock fetishists, the virgin adorers, the ring kissers, the smoke machines , the candle burners, the ritualistic cannibalism, the genuflect and the bead counters. I suppose I could add indulgences too. You will have to twist scripture quite a lot to accommodate all of that. Take god at his word? Not when comes via the mouth of frauds.

@richardgregory3684

4 ай бұрын

_with the physical evidence of speaking in tongues_ lol, basically it is just people babbling nonsense. The so called "tongues" have been analysed. They *never* go outside the linguistic background of the person speaking; for example if it's an American English speaker, then they never change to something radically different to some reselmbling (say) Japanese. It is essentially a collection of sounds they already know. There is nothing new. There is no proper structure or meaning, those tongues are literally people going "aga kakka rakka aga ooga". There is no meaning. And from this one draws the inevitable conclusion that they are either (a) faking and are frauds or (b) they are entering hysterical states - this is common in many religions. For example, in vodou it is belileved that worshippers can be ridden (possessed) by loa. There is a great similarity to "speakign in tongues".

@Mark_Henry

4 ай бұрын

@@richardgregory3684 I will only reply to a Christian, as implied at the beginning of the comment. Atheists or whatever you are...can go sit on a cactus.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

@@Mark_Henry or we could sit on two donkeys going into jerusalem, just like jesus Matthew 21.1

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@Moist._Robot

4 ай бұрын

Lol. You mean old earth and young earth?

@lluviamagneticstorm

4 ай бұрын

@@Moist._Robot 🎈🌞🎈 I LOVE BENDER FENDER 🎈🌞🎈😜

@lluviamagneticstorm

4 ай бұрын

@@Moist._Robot 🌟 LET BENDER RULE❗️🌟

@Moist._Robot

4 ай бұрын

@@lluviamagneticstorm Aww shucks. 🥰

My question is: "if the miracle of turning water into wine by Christ is true, would using the scientific method to test the wine determine that it took 30 minutes or 3 weeks or more to make ?"

@Moist._Robot

4 ай бұрын

It probably took 30 seconds to dream up and 2000 years for people to continue to believe it.

Probably not a good idea to use Newton as an example. Here's what he had to say about biblical creation, in a letter to another scientist: "Now for the number & length of the six days: by what is said above you may make the first day as long as you please, & the second day too if there was no diurnal motion till there was a terraqueous globe, that is till towards the end of that days work..." It''s a bit specious to name off all these scientists, without telling us specifically whether they believed in the young earth creation. Or even whether they believe the bible was God's word. Newton, in the above noted letter, appears to think the early parts of the bible were written by Moses, and was his interpretation of events.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

Moses never existed; it is an invented figure. The Israelites were never captives in Egypt; Exodus never happened.

@throckmortensnivel2850

4 ай бұрын

@@maylingng4107 I was merely commenting on what Isaac Newton believed. I had no part in his belief.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

@@throckmortensnivel2850 Actually, nobody is very sure what Newton believed in, however: *Newton and his belief in god* Newton perhaps one of the most brilliant physicist who ever lived, is often cited by creationists as the paragon of their mythical beliefs. Newton, was a believer in god and considered the bible as the word of god ---- so the argument by creationists. The incredible thought process was recorded by Newton (before his 26th birthday) in his “Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica” published in 1657. He details the discoveries on the motion of the planets and gravity producing the equations still in use today. As you read these pieces, you will note something very odd and interesting: he mentions no god, no bible, no angels or devils; ---- very strange for a man creationists claim to be ultra-religious. So why? Simply because Newton understood the concepts he has developed, was able to gather evidence and explained these forces of nature though equations he has built through logic. As we go on reading, Newton notices (through observation) that the orbit of the moon, and the planets are not perfect ellipses. As they get nearer to each other, there are small perturbations in the orbits (at his time he only knew of 6 planets). He states that the many perturbation in orbits of the inhabitants of the solar system presented a very, very complex problem. As such, he cannot explain why the solar system is stable and stayed this way for billions of years. He is at his wits end to find a rational explanation. Giving up, Newton, states that so many motions can only be explained as the handiwork of a super intelligent being (i.e. god). So he invokes “Intelligent Design” before anyone dreamed of the Discovery Institute. Newton simply, reached the limits of his ability to discover, to define and to understand. In many ways, Newton was no different that the ancient Greeks not understanding lightning and thunder. They reached the limits of their understanding, so they pressed Zeus into service as the chucker of lightning bolts. Is this not exactly the mantra of creationists? As they reach the limits of their understanding of the phenomenon and forces of the universe and nature, they invoke “the god did it” principle. So in summary, using Newton as an icon and an example of the truth in/of religion/god is nothing more than exposing the weakness of the human mind and the intellectual barrier the creationists bump up against. ---- and creationists get their much faster than those with an education.

Well done.

I’m with God

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

and what does she look like? Oddly, nobody knows what jesus looked liked, even those who met him. He once fed 5000 men, and a few women and children, but nobody took any notes, made a sketch or a portrait. Even Paul in his dodgy hallucination does not describe jesus. And no, none of the historians or Romans describe him either.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

@@rf7477 Jesus is an invention, a copy of older god legends.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

@@maylingng4107 All gods are man made. jesus is a myth-man.

@HangrySaturn

4 ай бұрын

@@rf7477 I mean, there coulda been a historical Jesus, though I would bet on it for sure.

Write has it right.

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

So, did Jesus use billions of years of death, suffering and disease (like cancer) to create and call it 'very good'? All before Adam sinned?

Michael Jai White said it best: "The greatest trick of the devil is to make people believe he doesn't exist." If any unbeliever ever went to a worship service @ Satan's church they'd walk outta there with a load in their pants saying, "Whoa! WTF?"-"Welcome to the party pal!"-John McLain. To publicly repent is a sting of humiliation that the proud would rather die in their sins than bear. So be it. But one day, they will "bend the knee" before they "perish" in "the lake of fire" cleansing of the Earth, where "they shall be as though they had never been."

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

I ain't bending the knee for nobody.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

The "christian" is both tormented and tormentative. His theology is ugly and his dogma is cruel. He must inflict his dire notions on defenceless children and the fearful, lest they die out. The apocalyptic "christian" yearns for fiery revenge on his fellow humans to "prove" his peevish god. With astonishing hypocrisy, the "christian" assures us that this is "gods love". Of course, this all "proves" a 6000 year old satanic infested Earth.

@mattbrook-lee7732

4 ай бұрын

Let's hope you've picked the right god then. Because backing the wrong team may turn out to be even worse than staying neutral on the subject

@MrReasonabubble

4 ай бұрын

It's a popular assertion among believers that atheists are too proud to publicly repent, and too selfish to submit to God's rules. What never seems to be considered is that they might be too smart to see the need for either.

@VisshanVis

4 ай бұрын

I don't believe in either god or the devil.

"allow"...😂🤣😂 Because he's the authority in his own mind. 😏

Let me help you out fellow Christians.. when I was growing up I did that in a haunted house... Dog would fight thin air the room would turn cold one day a belt that was hanging up on a hook that was attached to a wall started violently slamming itself into the wall.. years later if I lack Faith all I have to do is remember those occasions... No atheist scientists can do a math equation that can prove that I didn't see that... God is real, so is good and evil.... You are thinking about calling me names or saying I'm a liar. Trust me go ahead and save it cuz you cannot shake my faith.

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

No atheists scientist can do a math equation to explain your incoherent story, therefore god is real? Getting clarity without names being used.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

Your lurid tale is actually quite common. Nobody has to prove or disprove you. But you seem to have extrapolated a "christian" god, which is also quite common in christendom. Hallucinations like yours in any other part of the world would conjure up a different sprite or dragon. Religion is full of illusion, which often leads to delusion. This sort of dank superstition is widespread and, of course, usually unshakeable. Suspiciously, none of these phenomena are repeatable. I will guess you have no physical evidence, no photos, no movies, no temperature recordings. That's the math.

@jacobgreen1907

4 ай бұрын

Oh okay you win telephone tuffy troll

@jacobgreen1907

4 ай бұрын

You're standing on a planet that was created that should be enough evidence of a creator... If God wants to make a bunch of gas spin around then that's he'll do

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

@@jacobgreen1907 prove the planet was created.

Add Martin L. King Jr. to that list and watch scripture deniers run away.

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

Why would they run away? Martin Luther King Jr. was a reverend.

@refuse2bdcvd324

4 ай бұрын

@@Bomtombadi1 because it's common for scripture deniers to make assertions to the effect that people who believe in God are uninformed, have nothing to contribute, are ignorant, etc. But when we mention Pastor MLK Jr., rather than admitting, "you know what, he was a very smart guy who made a huge contribution to humanity, maybe I was wrong about believers," scripture deniers tend to just go silent and run away, ignore the subject, or delete the comment. Pls don't run away; receive Christ.

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

@@refuse2bdcvd324 complete misunderstanding of the point atheists make. Very rarely do I hear creationists can’t be smart, because obviously, there are very smart creationists. Creationists have made great contributions to scientific advancement. However, their belief in god did not influence their findings. It did not inform their findings, nor did any of them shoehorn god into their conclusions about reality. Creationists often use the mere beliefs of Newton, Kepler, etc. as a means to back up the claim that god exists. “This person said god exists, and since they were very smart, I’m going to side with them.” To say all creationists are stupid isn’t true. The vast majority of them are, but there are smart ones in the mix making contributions to the scientific community while keeping their beliefs separate from them.

@paulbeardsley4095

4 ай бұрын

​@@refuse2bdcvd324In what way would Newton's laws of motion have been different if he had been an atheist?

@refuse2bdcvd324

4 ай бұрын

@@Bomtombadi1 sigh. I'll explain this to you even though you are probably already aware of it and will probably contact whoever you know who deletes comments that expose the irrefutable logic of creation through intelligent design (unless that person is u), and then you will probably say I ran away. I'm ever optimistic however that the truth is powerful enough to break the chains of deception so all the deleted comments don't bother me, and even if scripture deniers never accept the truth in this life, when they stand before God they won't be able to say I didn't explain it to them in logical terms. You said, "Very rarely do I hear creationists can’t be smart, because obviously, there are very smart creationists." Thank you for being honest enough to not say, "nobody ever says creationists can't be smart." We are both aware that atheists say all types of disparaging things about believers without thinking it through. That said, it is very surprising to hear you admit there are smart creationists. Most scripture deniers aren't willing to give any credit to believers because they know the only card they have left to play against creationism is ad hominem attacks. They can't disprove creation and the overwhelming evidence precludes abiogenesis and supports the law of biogenesis 100% verifying that life can only come from life therefore life had to originate from an eternal living source. The only one who meets that qualification is God. So we agree that creationists are very smart. You admitted that Creationists have made great contributions to scientific advancement. Yes, and the reason why is because we start from a fundamental understanding that because the universe was created through wisdom as stated in the book of Proverbs, it is logical to conclude that the wisdom used to create the universe can be discerned through observation, testing, and experimentation. If we start with the presupposition that everything came about through random unguided processes there is no reason why anything should make sense to us at all. So if we take atheism to its logical conclusion, anything can happen and there is no reason to assume we would ever be able to understand natural laws; life could spring from nonliving matter, new life forms could spring into life from your coffee table, fish could eventually evolve into humans, lava could start leaking from your ear, a new universe could explode out of nowhere and send us all into oblivion at any moment. That is the nonsensical position a universe without a creator leaves us in. But a universe that was created by the God of the Bible puts us in a position to search out and understand the processes he used to create and learn about our world and worlds beyond ours. And that is how every person who pursues science from a biblical worldview that I'm aware of approaches his work. You said, "However, their belief in god did not influence their findings. It did not inform their findings, nor did any of them shoehorn god into their conclusions about reality." This is an assertion based in literal ignorance. First of all, the only way anyone can know their belief in God did not influence any of their findings is if he has some means of observing everything that influenced every believer's findings. Scripture deniers are not qualified to make that assessment. Secondly, Look up Dr. Ben Carson, Dr. James Tour, George Washington Carver, just start with those three. They all write about how their scientific discoveries came about as a direct result of prayer and seeking God, asking God to reveal truths to them regarding their work. I don't have time to go into the details of each one, but if intellectual honesty is your pursuit, you can read for yourself the clear connection between their faith and their innovations. They didn't "shoehorn" God into their work, they asked God to reveal information to them that neither they or any other human could figure out, to solve problems that hadn't been solved by any other human, and he revealed it to them. You said, "Creationists often use the mere beliefs of Newton, Kepler, etc. as a means to back up the claim that god exists." No, as explained above, we accept the logical conclusion that their acceptance of the notion that the cosmos were created by the most intelligent mind in the universe through wisdom led them to accept that the world we live in is not a random accidental world, but a well thought out well designed world and could therefore be understood through observation, testing, and experimentation. You said, "To say all creationists are stupid isn’t true." We agree, and I'll take it one step further; To say all creationists are stupid is an assertion based in literal ignorance because we have plenty of evidence that we were created and zero evidence that life can pop into existence from nothingness. You said, "The vast majority of them are [stupid]" You made this assertion, but gave no examples of anything stupid the vast majority of creationists have said or done.. If creationism has no merit it would be easy to actually point to a bunch of people who believe in God who are just making a mess of science, performing botched experiments because they decided to pray instead of performing experiments, or they decided to just trust God to record their findings instead of taking reliable notes, or they just trusted God to guide them instead of researching their chemical reactions and ended up blowing up their lab. But what we see is the opposite. We see highly intelligent people whose desire to know God and honor him causes them to do the best work possible, knowing that their work will be more heavily scrutinized by scientists who don't believe in God and who hope the universe was created without any intelligent influence. Yo said, " there are smart ones in the mix making contributions to the scientific community while keeping their beliefs separate from them." Again, you made this assertion, but you didn't quote any creationist who says they keep their beliefs separate from their contributions. It is materialists who have to keep their beliefs separate from their science because if they truly believe the universe came about through random unguided processes there is no reason to expect your experiments to be repeatable because random unguided processes don't have any rhyme or reason behind them. The Petri dish you left in the lab yesterday could come to life and jump off the table or fly across the room in world that just exploded into existence. Creationism is consistent with a logically discernible world, naturalism is not. Pls accept the logical conclusion; receive Christ.

WRONG!! Young Earth didn't take off until the 1960s. Before that, most of the neat theologians had no issue with the thought of an old Earth. The most dangerous stand is to say you have the only correct interpretation when you are clearly WRING.

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely WRING. : ) I documented YEC has been the majority view in this video- Christians Who Believe This Are AGAINST the Ancient Church

@user-hh3cz1km6h

4 ай бұрын

Rob: Nope. Jesus believed in a young earth. Monks and priests who developed the modern method of science, as opposed to Greek flat earthers, were creationists. Until the Klan in the US and Nazis in Europe forced dark ages evolution on the people, most scientists were firmly creationists. As Max Planck (ID creationist) said, science advances one funeral at a time. Then he smiled.

I'm a little shocked about what you're saying. Evolution aside, that N.T. Wright would make that kind of statement about anyone who isn't blatantly sinful seems quite out of character. I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I would like to know which video this was taken from. A statement like seems wholly un-Christian.

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

Yes, its the reason I made the video as Wright has been extremely uncharitable to his brethren. And I referenced his statements clearly.

Another AMAZING video that will bring out the God haters, trolls and evolutionary zealots.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

What god? The frantic extremists of religion are a vast and uncountable seething horde. Oddly, some of them now support the theory of evolution.

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

I can assure you I have never hated God. I CAN get very enthusiastic about science. It is not only endlessly fascinating, but without it we are truly lost. As Carl Sagan said, science is a candle in the darkness. And since science can say nothing for or against God, I have never understood why Christians are so scared of it.

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

I have never hated God, but I DO loves science, and I think it is very important.

I've never met anyone who subscribes to that kind of falicy but I guess they're out there.

@leroyjenkins3744

4 ай бұрын

Unfortunately

So your entire argument for young earth creationism is that”me believe in bibles words, therefore me smart”. And “you tell all these smart people from the past was young earth creationist, so who’s the smarter?”

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

Yep

If God can make an pre-aged man in one day, I think he can make an pre-aged universe in a couple days.

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

Right, so the appearance of age? Deception?

@annieoaktree6774

4 ай бұрын

Sure an omnipotent entity _could_ do so, but *why?*

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

But why would he intentionally go out of his way to be that dishonest?

@paddleman3131

4 ай бұрын

@@Bomtombadi1 What does deception have to do this?

@paddleman3131

4 ай бұрын

@@annieoaktree6774 Why not?

*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei

@dagwould

4 ай бұрын

Amaziing that you would consider the pagan trash talk of Enuma elish to have anything to do with the creator God. It is clearly set within the cosmos, within space-time and is full or bizarrely irrational causality that has no connection with anything.

@josebencomo2385

4 ай бұрын

There are stories about the Great Flood in many societies across the Earth. Even many not directly connected to Mesopotamy, so it might be just a shared distant memory of an actual event.

@HangrySaturn

4 ай бұрын

My bro, I could not say it better myself. Absolutely wonderful.

@HangrySaturn

4 ай бұрын

@@josebencomo2385 Or a cultural memory of an actual myth, perhaps Indo-European in origin. However, this is theoretical and not factual, but I'd place my bets there.

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What we ACTUALLY know by Revelation from Holy Bible, is how long ago Adam was Created. The earth had a beginning before this & should NOT be assumed to be equal to mankind's existence. Evidently, other Creation (not man) romed Earth before us. Our Enemy is accused of unjust trade in those 'days' & 'places'. Foul trade in Heaven? Earth was 'formless & void' before Adam, & God was hovering because HE just judged those crooked angels with water. THEN He prepped it for His new creation, mankind.

@bobwilkinson2008

4 ай бұрын

LOL

@mirandahotspring4019

4 ай бұрын

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Then why does Answers in Genesis consistently try to use "science" to disprove evolution? Seems a bit of a contradiction to blame others for accepting science, and then try to use science to defend your own position.

@black-cross

4 ай бұрын

Because your conclusion is wrong since you're doing everything to disprove God. Any explanation is never attributed to a creator, but time. Even when there's clear evidence of a creator you say it's inconclusive until the basis (evolution) can be the explanation

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

@@black-cross There is a clear evidence for a creator? Pray tell, demonstrate that clear evidence, and explain how do you test that evidence for truth?

@black-cross

4 ай бұрын

@@maylingng4107 who needs more faith, then? an eternal being that was always there and created us, or things came into existence just because? because it was inevitable. i used to be like you, thinking that nothing or something (a little tiny bit of matter) was always there and started our process. that makes sense since thats how we humans started. but it makes more sense that everything, an eternal being is the only thing there is and he started our process and we're slowly catching up to him. think a 30 year old man who has always been like that and will never change giving birth to newborns until they become adults. thus, making a choice to believe wether nothing or everything was there from the beginning. and we make that choice by seeing its effect on the universe.

@black-cross

4 ай бұрын

@@maylingng4107 when you were born weren't your parents already there as adults? why can't the same be said about God? God was already there and he gave birth to the universe. it was either nothing or something in the beginning, and nothing cant create something. if the universe has no cause, why then can't God have no cause?

@black-cross

4 ай бұрын

@@maylingng4107 how do you test the creator of the universe?

Make It Make Sense? I am confused by what that means.... It sounds like saying, "Make the evidence fit the theory." You committed a logical fallacy, arguing from authority, by saying, "Look at these Smart men who believed as I do on these things, therefore I am right." Remember Newton was considered a radical heretic for his opinions on a geocentric universe. At his time, the fact that he agreed with many other church concepts was entirely wiped out by his idea that the earth goes round the sun. John Chrysostom thought the church abused its power. Linnaeus felt that the Creation narrative did not tell the whole story. Being religious, he tried to make his classification of plants and animals fit the church's narrative the best he could, but found it lacking. Basil the Great opposed the heresies of the early Christian church. Blaise Pascal never displayed much in the way of genuine religious fervor. He was neither God-fearing nor, to any extraordinary degree, God-seeking. Francis Bacon, the father of empiricism, believed that knowledge came from the senses and observation. He was a humanist and atheist. He was also caught by his father, trying on women's clothing. So there are a few of the people you are holding up as examples of people who agree with you that Adam and Eve were real people, God created ex nilo, and in a Young Earth. I must assume then, that you believe with all their beliefs I listed above too. You are wrong

It's all about wanting to fit in. But if you're a real Christian, you will never entirely fit into this world. We need to accept that.

@user-jw2kl5ul3v

4 ай бұрын

But what is a "real Christian"?

@markm8188

4 ай бұрын

@@user-jw2kl5ul3v One who follows Jesus. It's really simple.

Religion is its own worst enemy. There is almost no consensus anywhere in it and quite a lot of violent disagreement. "christians" still can't agree on central items of theology as to whether they are literal or symbolic. Try asking any honest "christian" (if you can find one) if the eucharist is literal or symbolic. "christianity" is riddled with mistakes, and nonsense like creation myths.

If you want to serve Satan pass judgement on people. You'll be wrong more often than not and make trouble for people who are completely innocent.

Young earth old earth is a secondary issue. One we can discuss but need not divide over. In the essentials unity, non essentials liberty and in all things charity. 😇

@Jewonastick

4 ай бұрын

"One we can discuss"...... There is no discussion. Earth isn't 6000 years old.

@paulfromcanada5267

4 ай бұрын

@@Jewonastickthat’s open to discussion 😇

@Jewonastick

4 ай бұрын

@@paulfromcanada5267 No it isn't. It's like saying that the earth being flat or not is open to discussion....

@paulfromcanada5267

4 ай бұрын

@@Jewonastickwe are discussing it right now😇just saying.

@Jewonastick

4 ай бұрын

@@paulfromcanada5267 This ain't a discussion. It's me pointing out that it's a retarded idea

The fact that science has discovered more since Darwin is not ‘evolutionist propaganda’, come on Calvin, at least TRY to be honest. How do you sleep at night?

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

Calvin is a paid propagandist for Ken Ham and Answers in Genesis.

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

Just fine... : )

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

@@calvinsmith7575 Deny that Calvin, if you have the courage! Are you or are you not working for Ken Ham?

@tims5268

4 ай бұрын

@@calvinsmith7575 spoken like a true conman, with absolutely no shame whatsoever.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

Yay! More useless scripture which accomplishes nothing of value!!!

@mirandarogers3595

4 ай бұрын

@@Bomtombadi1 You don't want to know who created you.

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

@@mirandarogers3595 I don’t assume that I was created.

@mirandarogers3595

4 ай бұрын

@@Bomtombadi1 why not

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

@@mirandarogers3595 because assuming you are created also assumes a creator. Until one can demonstrate there is a creator, or we are indeed a creation, it boils down to an assertion.

The only thing I agree with on this video is that Christians should not try to reconcile their beliefs with scientific fact. Rather than try to "interpret" Genesis to fit the facts, it would be better to accept that the Bible is a religious text written thousands of years ago by people wholly ignorant of the universe as it is, and basically made up a story to explain what they could see but could not explain. I have no problem with this, but find it unfathomable that in the 21st Century there are still those (thankfully not as many as the internet would have us believe) who believe the made story, rather than the data, carefully collected over hundreds of years of observation. Keep your God (if you really need one to hold your hand) but accept that the Bible is made up nonsense, move on, and stop embarrassing yourselves.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

Well said!

You've got to realize 400 BC the Old testament was changed by young king. You've got to realize that most of the books in the Bible were written long after the death of Jesus. And so the writers wrote what they had been told and they put it into words that they understood because they didn't understand the exact higher knowledge in every case. And then the Bible was pacified to make it all agree to each other. But each of the different men that walked with Jesus or with him at different times and had different experiences in different locations so there's stories were different and they didn't always agree cuz in the real world there is more than one truth that exists at the same time. And that multifaceted truth was taken out of the Bible by the later translators. There were regional floods, and there probably was a global flood. It's hard to tell when you spend a whole year without the sight of land to know how huge that flood had been. One of the local floods was when the Mediterranean broke through and created the sea NE of it. In recent years they have found villages at the bottom of that sea. And the other problem is all the names have been changed. In the Hindu religion they speak of a rick establishment of religion only lasts up to 20 generations. Before it's truth is either whitewashed or taken over by the evil ones. They also have Lord Krishna saying he would never come as the Lord again he would only come as the Son of God in the future. And they also speak up the lion form. The Devil known as Lucifer was the head of all armies in heaven. His son Satan was the one that got into The Well of darkness and became evil and convinced his father to try it cuz he claimed that was God's secret power. But that story has been altered by the translations it didn't understand it. And the Devil loved his daughter so much that he was willing to trade his life if someone would walk into the great darkness and bring her out to the light of day. That love saved him and brought him back to the presence of God. But it is Satan that rules this world, and only a few of us actually know him he's up here to me twice in the last year bragging about how he has destroyed my life. And he even tries to get between me and God and mimic the voice of God. That's how so many others have been lead astray. He cost me a lot of confusion, but I don't try to compete with him. I don't try to fight with him. I just walked outside into nature and look at the trees growing come and talk to myself until I feel present enough to feel like I can talk to God. And God shows me Great signs in the heavens, the colors of healing coming out from around the Sun. And he has sent me angels when I was a child with my grandmother two angels appeared the death angel of life and then another angel. 43 years ago I was trying to save a woman from herself and I saw two angels come down from the sky walk over a block and then come up a block and then come across the field to where we stood and told me she had already destroyed any possible future with me... And in any way that I am great my grandmother had told me there was one that is greater than me this one with math, that one was studying the scripture, another one with knowledge of chemistry. Etc in every way there is somebody that knows more than I do. But I am this one and only that loves my God and he just made me special that I may know him. And he sends me messages through several of the women I know. Because I don't always hear his word clearly. And most of the time they tell me what I already heard but they add one little piece to make it more clear to me..

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

Your comments are simply factually incorrect...

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

@@calvinsmith7575 Speaking of factually incorrect? Really Calvin? And you claim a global flood, Adam and Eve, and that the earth is only thousands of years old? No science organization anywhere on earth agrees with you, but you and Ken Ham know more than millions of scientists who spend their entire lives in research and education. Based on what evidence do you declare yourself (who has no education in science) as the "truth teller"?

@lawrencekallal6640

4 ай бұрын

No. Most books of the bible were not written long after the death of Jesus.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

@@lawrencekallal6640 The entire new testament was written in pieces between 70 -110 CE, and kept getting revised way after Jesus. It was Constantine who was the key “chooser,” and he and the bishops he assembled for the Council of Nicaea in CE 325 (backed, of course, by the biggest army) assembled the Bible as we know it today. The Gospels were written by anonymous Greeks. who never met anyone called Jesus. The names of the gospel writers were invented in 170 CE by the Greek bishop, Ireneaus and inserted into the Gospels. More than a dozen gospels were excluded because they contradicted the 4 Gospels that were included. The inclusion and exclusion occurred by voting with the show of hands. There are more than a 100 versions of the bible, which keeps getting revised to this very day.

@lawrencekallal6640

4 ай бұрын

@@maylingng4107 I have several Christian references that date the NT first century AD. In the The Muratorian Fragment (AD 170) it is related that the Church Fathers Taught that Mark was present when Peter was preaching in Rome and wrote down what Peter taught. (Peter died AD 64-68). Wiki on the New Testament canon _“according to ancient church historian Eusebius there was a consensus that the same 27 books constituting the canon today were the same 27 books generally recognized in the first century.”_ Even the Wiki article on the epistles … lists Galatians (c. 48 AD) First Thessalonians (c. 49-51) First Corinthians (c. 53-54) Second Corinthians (c. 55-56) Romans (c. 55-57) Philippians (c. 57-59 or c. 62) So, the idea that the NT dates 70-120 AD doesn’t fly. __ I don’t think you understand the foundations of Christianity. Jesus didn't assemble and pass around a bible telling everyone make sure you read Matthew or certain other gospels -- proposing that people read the bible to learn the faith. He authorized people to teach authoritatively in his name. The disciples were the first bishops and Peter the first Pope. Protestantism is a heretical form of the faith as it changed the rule of faith -- from a living apostolic teaching authority, that had preceded it for a millennia and a half, to sola scriptura and private interpretation of it. Christianity was spread throughout the world using the Catholic model of the faith. And before the Protestant reformation the average person didn't have access to a bible as it was prior to the printing press and widespread distribution of books. If one wants to find authentic Christianity one needs to look for that teaching authority -- and history clearly shows it resides in the Catholic Church. The disciples were the first bishops and Peter the first Pope. The only way to have an authoritative scripture, or, an authoritative interpretation of the bible, is from an authoritative Church -- a living institution with authority to correct erroneous teachings. The Catholic Church's structure leads to unity in doctrine and teaching, as nothing can be officially pronounced as a teaching in the Church without the Pope's express consent/authority. As such, it was that living authority of the Catholic Church that determined the proper canon of the bible in the centuries after Jesus death and ascension.

Sorry but if you really think the earth is only 6000 years old with all the evidence we have then that is pretty embarrassing. Ranks alongside flat earth in my view

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

What about young flat earthers? 🤯

@mattbrook-lee7732

4 ай бұрын

@@Bomtombadi1 double whammy 🤪

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

Wow. I feel so bad now that you have expressed your opinion on the internet in opposition to my view... : )

@mattbrook-lee7732

4 ай бұрын

@@calvinsmith7575 oh believe me I don't mean you. I very much doubt you actually believe any of the nonsense you say. I'm sure it pays well though and we all have to make a living.

@bobwilkinson2008

4 ай бұрын

It's no surprise atheists generally have a higher IQ

No on can prove that the earth is millions of years old. Like the story of the pagan bell found in the coal, some scientist said that it was millions of years old. When they tested it with the mass spectrometer or carbon dating it was found to be 4500 years old.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

Is this your exposition that nothing is older than 6000 years?

@danielduplessis8382

4 ай бұрын

@@rf7477 Where is the proof? That is what atheists say: they want proof but no body can give theirs when the whiskey must get bought

@burnttoast2790

4 ай бұрын

*No on can prove that the earth is millions of years old.* You ever hear of Lord Kelvin? He's the guy behind the term "kelvin" (that temperature measurement that has absolute zero as it's baseline), and is considered the father of thermodynamics He was also a staunch Christian and an outspoken critic of Darwin's theory. And do you know what he did? He used his work with thermodynamics to try finding the age of the Earth, based on current temperatures and cooling rates. His results? The Earth must be _at least_ tens of millions of years old. Young Earth creationism is a fringe movement among Christians nowadays, and is one the most pitiful minorities imaginable among those educated in relevant fields of study. Even Christians back in Darwin's time knew better than to think the Earth was only a few thousand years old. *Like the story of the pagan bell found in the coal, some scientist said that it was millions of years old. When they tested it with the mass spectrometer or carbon dating it was found to be 4500 years old.* Let me guess, creationists took a story of some human artifact being found buried in the rubble of some random mine and assumed that it must be as old as the surrounding rocks, and that therefor the rocks themselves were only a few millennia in age. Have I got that right? You even tossed in the usual "oh well the dating methods oh-so-conveniently match with a flood date!"

@mattbrook-lee7732

4 ай бұрын

No scientist ever claimed a man made object was millions of years old. What are you talking about?

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

@@danielduplessis8382 There is a cave near me. Its stalactites have been observed and measured for at least 130 years. The cave also has evidence of very ancient human occupation. The stalactites are growing very slowly. It is estimated that the oldest ones are about 300,000 years old. The evidence suggests that the stalactites and the early human occupants of the cave are older than the last ice age. There is an ancient temple, Gobekli tepe, in Turkey. It is at least 10,000 years old. Please don't bother quoting 'fast' stalactites or 'inaccurate' C dating or any other misarticulation that takes your fancy. Now, please prove gods, demons, virgin birth, water walking and a 6000 year old creation.

When it comes down to it, this issue is not worth dividing over. As long as we believe that God created everything and is there for the supreme authority over everything, we can lay aside the time table in which He (the Trinity) did it all, and focus on the more important things, like the Gospel.

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

So, did Jesus use billions of years of death, suffering and disease (like cancer) to create and call it 'very good'? All before Adam sinned?

Where does the bible say that he earth is young?😬

@richardgregory3684

4 ай бұрын

It's taken from Ussher's Chronology. There is a clear genealogy in the bible - who begat whom, ad how long they lived. So either the bible missed out several million generations, or Earth isn;t 4.35 billion years old, but a few thousand, as the biblical timeline says. The earth is, of course, old, the bible is just bs.

This is so stupid. Faith and science can compliment each other if people would just get off their soapbox. Young Earth . . . Old Earth. It really doesn't matter if God created all that exists.

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

So, did Jesus use billions of years of death, suffering and disease (like cancer) to create and call it 'very good'? All before Adam sinned?

People take these clowns seriously?

You can judge an idea by whether it conflicts with a literal interpretation of Genesis, or you can judge it by whether it conflicts with reality. The first is faith; the latter is science. It's fine for people to believe in a young Earth, but don't be surprised when people point out that reality is different. You don't like it when people are mocked for their beliefs, so don't mock people who accept the scientific fact that the Earth is over 4 billion years old.

@travistibbs1530

4 ай бұрын

And, what would you say if unbiased science not actually supports the belief of Creation as is plainly described in the Bible, but fails to prove the belief of a Big Bang or Microevolution or any kind of evolution at all? You're on the right channel - they present incredible science in a way that is interesting and thought-provoking. Watch the rest of their videos.

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

@@travistibbs1530 If science supported something different, then I would accept that, of course. I just want to know how the world works. But what science actually DOES support is that the Earth is over 4 billion years old. That is not a controversial "interpretation". It's an established scientific fact based on the laws of physics. I have been studying the evidence for biological evolution for 40 years. Whether God exists or not, evolution happened.

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

Evolution isn't science... it's a story...

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

@@calvinsmith7575 Evolution is purely science. Lying about it will never change that. The theory of biological evolution rests entirely on logic and evidence. It is the organizing principle of all of biology. It has not had a serious scientific challenge in over 100 years. It is universally accepted as obvious by all biologists. There is no other theory that can explain all of the available evidence. You certainly don't have to accept it if you do not wish to, but don't lie about or insult the people who do.

@tims5268

4 ай бұрын

@@calvinsmith7575 Christianity isn’t truth… it’s a story.

I told Jehovah’s Witnesses that young earth creationists are such liars and they totally agreed.

@zoftazkid5331

4 ай бұрын

witnesses are a cult that believe in nonsense. they are not even Christian. they might as well throw the whole bible away the way they did the parts they didn't like.

@annieoaktree6774

4 ай бұрын

@@zoftazkid5331 Creationists are a cult that believe in nonsense.

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

Not surprising- they compromise God's word in many areas...

@stevenward3856

4 ай бұрын

Of course they would. They are a cult, and not part of Christianity!

@Moist._Robot

4 ай бұрын

@@zoftazkid5331 They still consider YEC stupid. You’re an embarrassment.

Calvin suggests it might be wrong to mock people for their beliefs, and then spends 5 minutes mocking people for their beliefs.

@black-cross

4 ай бұрын

Yes, but the difference is that the other side is wrong. Like when Elijah mocked those who worshipped Baal.

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

@@black-cross People believe different things. If you can't respect that, then the problem is YOURS

@black-cross

4 ай бұрын

@@jockyoung4491 not if you think the sky is green. And if you're color blind then the problem is yours. Only truth matters, not what you believe.

@razark9

4 ай бұрын

Anything is always justified or even the golden standard of righteousness when creationists do it.

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

@@black-crossand what you believe as truth is only a belief. Appealing to extremes is not at all convincing.

I've always thought insisting on a literal interpretation of the Bible actually diminishes God. If God is too great to be captured in mere human words, why would anyone expect mere human words to be infallible? The problem with a literal interpretation is that it invites comparison with reality. The fact that the Earth is over 4 billion years old does not mean that God doesn't exist. It just means that somebody 3000 years ago didn't get it quite right.

@Leslie_Crich

4 ай бұрын

Understanding the message of the Bible as it reads is not putting God in a box - itʼs taking Him at His word. And altho God cannot be conscribed in words, He certainly understands human language. When He speaks to us thru His word, the most straightforward way to understand it is according to its straightforward meaning.

@spazzabilly

4 ай бұрын

​@@Leslie_Crichso why did he write it in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek? Do you follow God's laws as written in the Bible?

@dagwould

4 ай бұрын

The earth dating is based on naturalistic presuppositions. So it is presumed to be over 4 billion years old. This number is a punt to hope to give evolution time to work...but its far too little time!

@spazzabilly

4 ай бұрын

@@dagwould not presumed, estimated. Based on the best available scientific methods. As new methods are developed the estimate will change. Geologists base their estimate of the age of the earth on the study of earth. They didn't ask biologists how old they'd like it to be and just say "OK". The science of evolution (biology) and the age of the earth (geology) are completely unrelated. It's not some plot by "big science" to upset the baby Jesus.

@josebencomo2385

4 ай бұрын

Several books of the Bible ARE supposed to be allegories, like large segments of Daniel and Apocalypse. They aren't meant to be literal, not even according to the Bible itself-- Daniel is told that his visions represent something else, the Great Beast is a stand-in for a human deceiver instead of an actual large animal, and so on. Whether the Creation is one of those parts, I don't know-- for instance, if we are being literal about it, why does God curse the snake itself, when it was just an animal and so likely an unwitting posession pawn?-- but as Christians we must believe on the sprit of it at least.

Why would God have given us a brain and a world to explore with it, if all he wanted us to do is memorize a book?

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

Who said that's all God wanted us to do?

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

@@calvinsmith7575 You did, in this video. You said that there is no compromise from taking the Bible literally, and nobody should be trying to reconcile it with science.

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

​@@calvinsmith7575 "It seems that many Christian leaders, in a bid for intellectual credibility amongst unbelievers, have adopted secular interpretations of science over the plain reading of the biblical text in Genesis, so as to not appear like simpletons in this modern age.""

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

​@@jockyoung4491 What does your statement have to do with your original one- '...all he wanted us to do is memorize a book...' . There's a thing called logical flow that is missing : ) And I didn't say people should not try to reconcile the Bible with science. Observational science fits perfectly with the Bible, but evolution isn't science. Its a story...

@jockyoung4491

4 ай бұрын

@@calvinsmith7575 I don't care whether you accept evolution or not, but don't claim it isn't science, because that is an easily demonstrated lie. Don't claim there is no evidence for evolution, because that is an easily demonstrated lie. Of course there is observational evidence. All of biology is observational evidence for evolution. There is no biological evidence that contradicts it. There is no other theory that can explain all of the available evidence. Nothing else even comes close

It's amazing how these innocuous videos always brings out the spirit of antichrist in nonbelievers. Kind of like moths to a flame.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

It's amazing how "christians" start with a blessing and end with a curse. "god loves you. Now repent or die!" In your case a foul vulgarism as you attempt a blanket condemnation of nonbelievers.

Let’s be clear and say that SOME Christians don’t take the Biblical account if Creation literally. There are many of who do and have never bought into any form of evolution that taints God’s 6 day creation. I can’t believe some actually fall for it. The Bible gives us the perfect account that stands true today.

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

So you can’t believe that “some actually fall for it (evolution),” because it taint a 6 day creation?

@kellyanne7225

4 ай бұрын

@@Bomtombadi1 That’s what I said. It’s one or the other, and the Bible only supports one. I’m going with God.

@therick363

4 ай бұрын

The vast majority of Christian’s don’t take the Bible literally and are okay with evolution.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

@@kellyanne7225 Anyone who has just a little science education cannot accept any of the creation nonsense from the bible. The only truth in the bible are the page numbers.

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@kellyanne7225​​⁠it’s actually not “one or the other.” It’s actually far from that case. You do realize that there are hundreds, if not thousands of creation stories throughout history, right? There is more than one culture in this world. Your only reason for “going with god,” is because you’re incredulous to the well-established notion that life is related and can be traced back to common ancestry. This fact threatens what you’ve been led to believe your entire life, and in order to maintain your comfort, you just bury your head in the sand.

Genesis is a collection of fairy tales.

@macruz8503

3 ай бұрын

@philhart: I’f it’s a bunch of fairytales why does the mainstream media feel so threatend? I don’t see them poking at Islam or Buddhism .

Science actually proves that the bible is correct!

@paulbeardsley4095

4 ай бұрын

No it doesn’t.

@Jewonastick

4 ай бұрын

Where?

@user-hh3cz1km6h

4 ай бұрын

@@Jewonastick All the days of Creation has been proved by science and by long ages evolutionists, at that. That the Bible states the earth is round, and did so 800 years before Greeks finally figured it out. That cleanliness is healthy. That human wastes must be properly disposed of, not just dumped in the streets. Most sciences came from the Bible, including psychology. The Bible is called the oldest book on human psychology in existence. Art of War is second oldest. That animals have rights to not be abused. And much, much more.

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

@@user-hh3cz1km6hrevisionist history is so cute! Doesn’t the earth sit on a firmament? How do you cure leprosy?

@user-hh3cz1km6h

4 ай бұрын

@@Bomtombadi1 So stop revising history, Bom. Try science. It works, which is why Creationists developed it. The earth sits on a firmanant, AKA rocks, something easy to figure out today, but not 3500 years ago. But, not the shoulders of a giant as atheists claimed. Nor is the atheist theory of a flat earth viable, tho many atheists want to believe it; it was disproved in the Bible 800 years before atheists 'discovered' they were wrong.. Leprosy is curable today. thanks to work done by creationist scientists, we can treat and kill it in 12 months or so. Atheist nations, of course, still drive out lepers to starve and die.

Why would God make himself look like he is 80 years old. Wouldn’t you make yourself 35 or something?

@phillise1

4 ай бұрын

God doesn't look like anything. He is invisible.

@RobertLee-tv4hc

4 ай бұрын

Huh???

@stevenward3856

4 ай бұрын

He did! "Those who have seen the Son, have seen the Father!" Besides that, I don't recall where GOD made Himself look like an eighty-year-old. You must be mistaken.

@all_bets_on_Ganesh

4 ай бұрын

​i was talking about the old testament god, a common depiction of him an old man with a white beard. Looks like the dad from Little Mermaid. Why would he make himself so old. Did he give himself a tiny penis as well? I'm not trying to be rude it just doesn't make any sense.

A lot of the Bible has been changed and most Christians don't understand they have taken Jesus out of the Bible and replaced him with a fake Jesus and image that is different than what he really was or what he really taught. And you fallen away from the truth he came to establish. You to put God the Father the source of all creation the source of eternal life first without a second and remove all false idles. But that's all you believe in is false idols because you do not know the father. Jesus didn't come to be worshiped. He came to show mankind or glorious forthright and to re-establish the true religion of God the Father. I've had many lives, I've known many people that remember what we've done before other times and other places. But I've only known one preacher that had that same knowledge. One Sunday he went off sermon and said he had to go borrow the street clothes if he wanted to go listen to Jesus speak because of the war his robes that made the people uncomfortable. Reading Revelations there's 144,000 were born before the foundations of the earth that have the right and the duty to overcome the darkness. That simply means some of us were created in heaven even before this Earth. There have been quantum leaps in the history of mankind on Earth. I don't fully understand them and I've been here off and on the whole time. Our brains and our bodies are created new every life so that is all it knows. It's only when we bring the eternal life of the Soul up through us do we have the knowledge of our true existence. That is what Jesus taught but the early church destroyed the pre-Christian religions as pagan. But some of them taught the truth.

The Holy Bible is all inspired (breathed in) by the Holy Spirit, it is 100% true.

@razark9

4 ай бұрын

Yet there are obvious metaphors, allegories, errors, mistranslations and contradictions in there. Not to mention it's a rip-off from earlier mythogies.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

And the stories of a murderous psychopath called god, killer of millions of children and babies.

@rf7477

4 ай бұрын

god is because he is because he said so. And then he wrote a book about himself, in tribal Hebrew, via some oracles of the illiterate.

@maylingng4107

4 ай бұрын

@@rf7477 God never wrote anything. The bible was compiled from earlier pagan legends by ignorant goat herders. The Jesus story was invented to manufacture a more powerful god (by Jews) than the many Roman gods.

@statutesofthelord

4 ай бұрын

@@razark9razark, it's your words vs God's.

Yahweh was adopted by the Israelites from the Canaanite/Levantine pantheon of Gods. There are many Gods. Gods though they be, like mortals, they will die. Expecting me to believe in a talking donkey or humans walking on water is seriously delusional on the part of anyone reading the Bible like it is a history book. (there are, to be sure, many Gods and many Lords (1Co 8:5 ) I declare: "Gods though you be, offspring of the Most High all of you, Yet like any mortal you shall die (Psa 82:6-7 NABO) He set up the boundaries of the peoples after the number of the sons of God; (Deu 32:8 NABO) Yahweh is the God of metallurgy. The gates of the nether world (Abyss/Death/Hell/Netherworld) will not prevail against his Everlasting Lake of Fire and Brimstone (sulfur) where you will be smelted and refined, have your dross removed and, be purified. There, you will be tormented or, tested for purity by questioning. Brimstone 1a) divine incense, because burning brimstone was regarded as having power to purify, and to ward off disease Tormented: 1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the color of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal 2) to question by applying torture Just as silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin are gathered into a furnace and smelted in the roaring flames, so I will gather you together in my furious wrath, put you in, and smelt you. (Eze 22:20 NABO) (it is better to marry than to be on fire (1Co 7:9 NABO) Be fruitful, and multiply (Gen 1:28 KJV) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where do you seek your approval from? I was recently invited to have a conversation with a St. Johns College, Oxford graduate of philosophy and theology. And, a past president of the Atheist Alliance of America. It was pointed out to me by an eastern European Jewish lawyer from New York City that light was created before the sun and moon. I put that to good use. Vegetation was also created before the sun and moon. Adam, the Christ, is a third-party mediator to this world and these heavens between you and the Father you spring from. In this version of the story, Jacob is seated at the table and Esau, the first-born, serves him. For who is greater: the one seated at table or the one who serves? Is it not the one seated at table? I am among you as the one who serves. (Luk 22:27 NABO) Esau, the firstborn, lives by the sword (sacrifice) and serves his brother, Jacob, who was born gripping (striking at) his heel. Isaac blessed Esau saying: Ah, far from the fertile earth shall be your dwelling; far from the dew of the heavens above! (Gen 27:39 NABO) (In a galaxy far, far, away, so to speak. Or, perhaps this universe isn’t big enough for the both of them.) You will not always have me (Mat 26:11 NABO) I am with you always, until the end of the age. (Mat 28:20 NAB) My kingdom does not belong to this world. (Joh 18:36 NABO) Where I am going you cannot come. (Joh 8:21 NABO) Then I took my staff "Refuge" and snapped it asunder, breaking off the covenant which I had made with all peoples (Noahic covenant) (Zec 11:10 NABO) Then I snapped asunder my other staff, "Heritage" (Deu 32:8) breaking off my brotherhood with (or between?) Judah and Israel. (Zec 11:14 NABO) the one who ascended far above all the heavens themselves (Eph 4:10 NABO) never to return to corruption (Act 13:34 NABO) "By your sword (sacrifice) you shall live, and your brother you shall serve; But when you become restive (weak; faint; infirm; a worm; man of suffering; restless; wanderer in the desert; way of the Lord in the desert), you shall throw off his yoke from your neck." (Gen 27:40 NABO) Save me, I pray, from the hand of my brother Esau! (Gen 32:12 NABO) Esau ran to meet him, embraced him, and flinging himself on his neck, kissed him as he wept. (Gen 33:4 NABO) Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for yourselves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light. (Mat 11:29-30 NABO) ----------------------------------------------------------------- The lawyer asked where I get my authority from. Where do you get your authority from? Light and vegetation are created before the sun and moon because the story is about the new heaven and new earth. Yahweh is the light and Adam, the Christ, is the lamp. Your creation story is when, in the beginning, Adam found you in a wasteland, (Gen 1:2 NABO), empty, and void of understanding, your having become corrupted by sin, and he shielded you as the apple of his eye. (Deu 32:10 NABO) Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. (Mat 25:34 NABO) The earth was barren, with no shrub of the field and, as yet, no man to till the soil. Adam tilled the soil and prepared the Garden of Eden, a promised land, a heavenly home, a new heaven and new earth, according to the plan of his Father, and then he settled east of Eden and has tilled and cultivated the earth ever since. I am with you always, until the end of the age. (Mat 28:20 NAB) The Sun and Moon are...

@dagwould

4 ай бұрын

The pagan gods are within the cosmos. Yahweh is the one who is: self existent and external to the cosmos, while active within it, communicating, relating and propositionally engaging.

@quetzelmichaels1637

4 ай бұрын

@@dagwould Satan is the God of this world. He is the ruler of this world. He has blinded the minds of unbelievers. They may see but, they do not perceive. David, the Morning Star, is your king who will be raised up for you. David is the Father of the Son of David. The Son of David destroys all power, rule, and authority, 1Cor 15:25. In him, you have someone who can relate to you through his sacrifice. In David, the Cornerstone of Adam’s (the Christ), work of salvation, you have someone you can relate to through his salvation. In his name this man stands before you healed. He is 'the stone rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.' (Act 4:10-11 NABO) The Lord God will give him the throne of David his Father (Luk 1:32 NABO) Blessed is the kingdom of our Father David that is to come! (Mar 11:10 NABO) Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father (1Co 15:24 NABO) I am the root and offspring of David, the bright Morning Star. (Rev 22:16 NABO) Nor does the Father judge anyone (Joh 5:22 NABO) The Father and I are one." (Joh 10:30 NABO) so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me (Joh 17:21 NABO) The Son himself will (also) be subjected to the “One” who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28 NABO) No one has ever seen God. Yet, if we love one another, God remains in us, and his love is brought to perfection in us. (1Jo 4:12 NABO) God is Spirit (Joh 4:24 NABO) No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is at (your) Father's side, has revealed him. (Joh 1:18 NABO)

Christians who dissagree with your plain mundane reading of scribture are generally not seeking approval from any man including you. They are generally well educated, highly intelligent and spirituall aware, so see things in greater depth than mundane litteralists. You know God created people of diverse skills & intelect, depths of thinking and perceptions. He did not make everyone just like you. Jesus accepts every one who believes in Him, his sacrifice, repents and follows him. Nobody needs your or anyone elses approvial & they certainly don't need to agree with you nor get your or anyone elses approval. Christ is sufficient for all of us or at least should be, if only we had lover for one another. I am just fed up with this attitude that rejects & drives genuine believers out of churches. I have seen it happen many many times over the decades.

@calvinsmith7575

4 ай бұрын

Ahhhh, the elite ones that follow the teachings of the humanist elites... gotcha...

@kenwebster5053

4 ай бұрын

No, genuine christians following the teachings of Christ.@@calvinsmith7575

@kenwebster5053

4 ай бұрын

Your comment reveals that you are the one being elitist.@@calvinsmith7575

@Bomtombadi1

4 ай бұрын

Calvin is smug and arrogant, even with people who believe in god.

@kenwebster5053

4 ай бұрын

Agreed. I note there are 4 replies reported but only 2 displayed. My terse reply to Calvin is not showing. So, I assume someone is a little over sensitive. It’s a shame because sometimes Christians need to be confronted with how annoying an arrogant, they can be. It’s the same with theological positions like pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib raptures or no rapture at all. Believers have different opinions; it doesn’t mean they don’t follow Christ or are not redeemed. Yet brothers & sisters in Christ are forced out of churches over this & many other things. It really annoys me that believers are ejected over politics. Probably the only time that should happen is when politics has become their God or core of faith rather than a personal preference. This arrogance is dividing & killing the Church in the west. We even see people ejected on the grounds of education, intellect & profession. You don’t get churches with a broad spectrum anymore. Most of the university trained professionals will be in one church, trades in another, home schoolers in another & so on. @@Bomtombadi1

Yet more and more bull shit