Love your videos Jeff, great job and thank you! And awesome flying!

@westhobbiesrc8051

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! I’m glad the videos are helpful.

Great content, very thorough comparison and awesome flying. You got a new sub!

@westhobbiesrc8051

Ай бұрын

Thank you very much! I greatly appreciate that! Thank you for subscribing!

Another Incredible Review, Jeff!!

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Thank you, Larry! I hope all is well.

So much choice in this segment. Its awesome!

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

There is an incredible amount of helicopters and decisions in the size class.

Great Flying and Comparison between these two competitors very close race by the looks of things. so many models so many choices..

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate it, there is so many great models in this size class something for everyone!

awesome vid thanks for all the info.

@westhobbiesrc8051

Ай бұрын

Thank you for watching and supporting!

Great video as always jeff.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! I greatly appreciate it.

Nice video nice flight I like your channel greeting from Germany. Iam a big fan of the Goosky legend s2 and rs4!

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate it, thank you for watching the channel! Enjoy your S2 and RS4!

I prefer the plastic anti-rotation bracket over the metal because it typically doesn’t break anything else so having a sacrificial part is cheap to keep on-hand.

@WayneStark626

11 ай бұрын

Tell me about it, I just messed up a servo on my M1 after I replaced the bracket with a metal one from rakon heli

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

I prefer plastic antirotation brackets as well. A lot of people like metal which is nice and strong but they do not break in a hard crash as well as carbon fiber. They are strong, but break other parts. Having sacrificial parts is very important!

Great video on the two models. Looking into getting a 380 - 420 model myself.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! I hope the video is hopeful!

Great review.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate it!

Great review. The motor for the Goosky just sounded bigger

The best video for the M4 so far. I like the detailed look on both airframes. To me the M4 looks like a much cleaner design... Apparently there is a larger M4 coming out so I'm waiting for that one and see...

@westhobbiesrc8051

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! I try and make these videos for people to decide on witch ever model they want. Both are great models and cones down to personal preferences!

@mikefuchs2814

9 ай бұрын

I prefer the look of the m4 and it builds and flies amazingly. Zero issues with it, love the tail design. My favorite heli.

Great review, as always. Say, are you planning to do a review of the OMP M4 MAX? Or even a head-to-head with the SAB RAW 420? That would be interesting. Thanks for the great videos.

Excellent comparison on two helicopters from different companies. That obviously compete against each other. Jeff, i think a temp gun would be better to show motor temps, i use one for motors and lipos at the end of my runs, with saying that, RC boats always run hotter than my three helicopters. Thank you!

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! I try to do my best to include everything I can in his videos to give an honest opinion, and for the viewer to make their own decisions. I have a temp gone, but I didn’t bring it that day just because I wasn’t going to compare motor temperature. But I felt the M4 motor and it was very hot and I decided to feel the RS four motor to see as well. I will be doing an actual temperature reading between the .Thank you! I try to do my best to include everything I can in his videos to give an honest opinion, and for the viewer to make their own decisions. I have a temp gone, but I didn’t bring it that day just because I wasn’t going to compare motor temperature. But I felt the M4 motor and it was very hot and I decided to feel the RS4 motor to see as well. I will be doing a actual temperature reading between the two.

Jeff the Comparison test is not quite complete. We need to see a 70% throttle inverted crash on the M4, as demonstrated in previous video with Goosky.😅

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Lol that is a good idea!! And we know how well the venom held up lol

you improved a lot in flight skills... bravo.... you need to find your style now cause you fly randomly.....try review the small Goosky s2 legend if you haven't already And I missed it..... first time I get so small Heli but it's totally beast and do everything like bigger helis and faster...... waiting to see you try it.... if you have already please reply me the link.keep up practice 😊

10:25 can the Goosky rs4 canopy fit onto the omphobby M4

RS4 seem to have less vibration, probably due to the main shaft being secured by bearing on middle section and the bottom end. where as M4 only has bearing in the middel section of the main shaft. however, that makes replacing the belt way more difficult on RS4, if you need to replace the belt. also, battery replacement is way easier with RS4.

@westhobbiesrc8051

5 ай бұрын

I do agree! Changing the belt on the RS4 is not fun, I wish they did a different design but that’s my only real complaint with it. It flys super light, smooth, incredibly powerful and runs really cool especially compared to the M4.

Thanks for the review. I have both of these helicopters and the OMP is slightly better in durability and flight time. The RS4 is good but the skids tend to break to break easily for some reason. I have no idea why? Maybe their quality control is still not up to scratch as I have gone through two sets of skids in somewhat light crashes. Also, from my experience, even though I have both helis set up the same and use the same 1800 6s packs, the M4 comes down with more left in the pack.

@westhobbiesrc8051

10 ай бұрын

I’m glad you had a great experience with the M4, I wish I did. It seems like a great heli but needed work. My biggest issue with it is how hot the motor and servos get after a flight. Especially on a hot day. That is very weird about your skids breaking on the RS4? I’ve got the original set on both my RS4 and RS4 Venom. Maybe it’s a bad batch. You are he first person I’ve heard have them break like that.

You going to have to compare these two against the M4 Max when it comes out.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

That would be nice!

My freind ,you had to check TAREK ALSASDI OMP M4 Insane power .

Tail belt on the m4 was one of the things I thought was very easy to install... at least compared to my previous helis I have owned. I like that you can take it off without messing with anything. I assume the Venom is the same way though but with more room to get at it.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

I found the tail belt to be the hardest belt to install out of any helicopter I’ve ever built. My biggest issue with the RS4 is that you have to remove the main shaft to pull the tail belt which I do not like.

@mikefuchs2814

10 ай бұрын

I agree that the I thought the M4 tail belt went on easily. Just fished it through the wider slot in the frame and spun the motor around, went on first try.

@davidjacobs8558

7 ай бұрын

you need to take the side frames apart to replace the tailbelt for RS4 Venom. even after removing mainshaft and oneway sleeve, the main pulley is still trapped between the motor and aluminum block.

I want to build an M4 for myself because it's so damn sexy, I had a rs4 and unfortunately the look is just awful... (this is purely a matter of taste), and most of all I didn't like its frame design, it's too complicated, and quite soft metal ( most likely the problem is a too small head) I bent the shafts and the hub of the main rotor. I regard this helicopter as a cheap option that can crash constantly, I fly extremely low and very fast, in 600 and 700 class I can't afford to fly 10-20 centimeters from the ground. And in terms of repairs and the price of spare parts, the M4 is beautiful in every detail! My M2 has been dropped more than 400 times, and in all the drops I have never bent the main shaft. The day before yesterday I hit him at high speed against a brick wall, lifted him up and flew further, this says a lot.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

It’s definitely all a matter of taste to which model you prefer. If you wanna build a M4, then go ahead and build one! Definitely a nice helicopter but unfortunately the way a situation was handled. I personally would not support them but I still think the overall design of the helicopter is very nice.

That m4 is a nice looking heli

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Yes it is!

OMP gave many people good 3d performance for a lot less than others. The most reasonable price parts. In the M2 models first. That means something to me I like to stick with the girl I bring to the dance so to speak. I also won't cut my nose to spite my face the rs4 performed better.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

I agree! I have been flying OMP models since they came to the market. They definitely gave a lot of pilots. Great models and they still make free models despite their terrible customer service. But the RS4 performed better.

You forgot part 2 in the M4 playlist. I already have an eye on slightly larger helis, for my first larger heli. I like the look of the M4 very much, I hope that the problems it has with the M4 Max will be eliminated. Will you also test and show the M4 Max when it is there?

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Thank you, I will go back and add that. I thought I did, but I must not of. The M4 is a very nice looking model, if someone wants me to build a M4 Max I will. But I will not personally purchase one.

Hello, please tell me, I can connect TBS crossfire to it.

@westhobbiesrc8051

10 ай бұрын

I’m not sure on that. I’ve never used or messed with TBS but if you have a regular RX then yes.

Man, you got that governer set up smooth. I cant seem to get the ikon to play nice with this hw60amp that has a different case so it can bolt into the heli without the esc plate. The gov keeps twitching with blades off at any headspeed. Turned of lvc, freewheeling, and set to heli linear mode. Change the ikon gov gains to 30 and 40 but no change

@westhobbiesrc8051

6 ай бұрын

Hmm! Really? What pole count is selected for the motor?

@jared6072

6 ай бұрын

@@westhobbiesrc8051 20

@jared6072

6 ай бұрын

@@westhobbiesrc8051 ive done 21 and 22 just incase

I’m looking to get the rs4 venom to compare it with my m4. Do u think the Hw 60a will fit and perform good on it?

@westhobbiesrc8051

10 ай бұрын

Yes definitely, you can even get the Hobbywing/Goosky 60 amp ESC that bolts in place of the stock Goosky 70a ESC.

@Twx97

10 ай бұрын

@@westhobbiesrc8051 i asked about the normal one because i have it laying around unused

I have had to to reinstall the belt on the M4 due to a crash, and did not find it to be difficult at all. But 5 minutes with a Dremel would give you ample clearance to make it "easy". In my opinion, having to remove the main shaft to change a belt would be more annoying. In ten years, I have had one motor fail and it was due to the bearings wearing out. But I did check mine as you did (after 5 packs), and I found it to be warm at best. The RS4 motor is bigger and therefore seems to have more head room. But ultimately, how does that translate into real world flying? They seemed to perform nearly identically. I guess what I am getting at is that you have split hairs to an extreme and picked a "clear" winner on two items that most people would deem fairly insignificant. I think most would appreciate more comparative information on parts availability, documentation and support. Because they are near twins in most physical aspects. Not trying to piss on your Cheerios. I just think you would have received less heated responses (in forums especially) if you simply stated the obvious fact, which is, you can't really go wrong with either. Instead, you have left the door wide open for fan boys to tear into this review. I will mention that I did receive my M4 kit missing the receiver board. There are others reporting some minor issues with their kits as well. But these things happen. And Omp, well the retailers anyway, seem to be making efforts to take care of anyone with an issue in a timely fashion. Attention to detail with the outgoing M4 kits would be more of a concern to me than a warm motor after hard 3D. But it does seem as though parts are now readily available, which I know was not the case not long ago. My M4 is now my go-to heli without hesitation. I sold my 470L almost immediately. I really love it. That being said, I am thinking I would have a similar experience with the RS4. Thank you for your efforts. As a whole, I really enjoyed the video. Nice flying btw.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

I have done a bunch of side-by-side comparison reviews on so many different helicopters, and I never choose a helicopter because at the end of the day it is up to the consumer and what is best for you. So I’ll give you some contacts on why I chose the RS4 over the M4. It all boils down to customer service, and how issues are reported and taken care of. The M4 could be the best flying helicopter ever invented and I still would not like it. I had some issues with my kit which a bunch other people have as well. I simply made a post on a Facebook group, just stating and showing the issues that I had. I was immediately bashed talked bad upon and hated on by the designer of the helicopter, as well as multiple of their team, pilots and representatives. Prior to that post I sent out an email to where the helicopter was purchased from and got told that they didn’t have the parts in stock and to go somewhere else to buy them, the parts I had issues with was a bent tail shaft which I purchased a brand new packet not even caring about the three dollars. When I opened up the canopy, it was completely destroyed, cracked in multiple places, then having to drill the carbon fiber frame sides out to fit a traditional driver that everybody has was just some of the issues that I stated in the post Again not comparing bashing or saying anything about any other helicopter manufacturer. The issues were never resolved. I got a big F you left in the dust now I have to purchase a $80 canopy as well as having to purchase tail shafts. ( witch again I don’t care about $3 but it’s the point) there has been several other customers that have been treated the exact same way and that really put a bad taste in my mouth so I cannot feel comfortable to report and say to purchase this helicopter when the customer service has been so terrible and the bashing of people just simply having issues. There has been several other customers that have reported issues on different groups and immediately bashed and talk to like they are dumb, which you do not get that kind of treatment when you purchase other helicopters, no matter what brand.

@tonycampophoto

11 ай бұрын

I have seen a bit of what you are talking about, unfortunately. That's too bad. I will say that I have gotten parts quite quickly. My backup canopy was only $50. I do love the heli. But I definitely understand your position based on your experience. It is amazing to me that some people do not understand the importance of the after purchase experience. I'll gladly trade my autographed frame for a better attitude from you know who. He seemed annoyed that I mentioned I was missing a piece from my kit instead of apologetic. Fortunately, mine flies great, and I have enough spare parts to last a while.

@mikefuchs2814

10 ай бұрын

I agree too I prefer that the M4 tail belt comes on and off easily without having to pull the main shaft. It's easier than my trex 470.

Do you think if you threw a Hobbywing 80 on the M4, would it help with the bogging issues? I want to build the M4 because I just like the way it looks. Plus I obviously have my Raw 420 which is very similar to the Goosky as far as looks are concerned so I'm looking at building a more traditional looking helicopter for my next build. Still deciding between these two though.

@GrimesRic

11 ай бұрын

HW 80 will make zero difference in terms of bogging. BUT 100% throttle is way too much. 80-85 are more than enough with enough headroom that it won't bog. set pitch to 14° and you are good to go.

@Lance57H

11 ай бұрын

@@GrimesRic so you don't think having a better ESC would make any difference? How would turning the throttle down help avoid bogging? I'm definitely not even capable of flying it to that point right now, however I want to get to that point. That's why I am future proofing all my models and just building them nice right now. Do you think it's just a limitation of the motor?

@jiawenbao3698

11 ай бұрын

@@Lance57Hrunning 100 throttle leaves no headroom for the esc. If you want the best performance, consider using governor in your FBL.

@jiawenbao3698

11 ай бұрын

From my personal experience, the HW Governor is not designed for direct drive motors. The I gain there is way too high (even 0 wasn’t low enough)

@Lance57H

11 ай бұрын

@@jiawenbao3698 I have a HW 80 on my Raw 420 and I had so many issues trying to solve the tail wag on it. I finally sent it to Jeff himself to help me get it figured out after trying everything to get it resolved. Turned out that I just had the gain on the govnor too high. He also did some other tuning on it as well and got it flying really well. With all that being said, what ESC would you recommend on these 380-400 size direct drive helis?

Hi can someone buy a heli like the goblin kraken 700 and you build it from them? Or can the person give you money to buy and build everything??

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Hello! Yes, I do offer full build services for people. Send me an email that is linked in the video description and we can go over bill pricing and everything. You would purchase everything you need for the Build and send it to me. I can give you a list of everything that is needed as well in the email.

can you use these helis with ardupilot?

@westhobbiesrc8051

9 ай бұрын

I’m not sure, I know you can use a H1 GPS FBL unit on them.

@davidjacobs8558

7 ай бұрын

I don't know much about ardupilot, but Rotorflight can fly any heli.

Fliegt das RF2 mit den Standard Parameter?

@davidjacobs8558

7 ай бұрын

I got my FW405L V3 to work with RF2 using Speedybee F405 , so yes, you can pretty much make any heli fly with RF2.

What Mode do you fly with , 1,2,3,4 ?

@westhobbiesrc8051

7 ай бұрын

Mode 2

@winstonsmith7801

7 ай бұрын

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Nice . I fly fixed wing on mode 1 and can fly helicopters in a simulator adequately with mode 1 . I was thinking mode 2 might an easier and better choice for Heli's.

My personal choice is the SAB Raw 420 😊.

@Chief351L

11 ай бұрын

Because you’ve done a comparison between the OMP M4, GOOSKY RS4 Venom & the SAB RAW 420..?

@carlhaentjens3548

11 ай бұрын

Later maybe M4 Max?🙂

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

I love my raw 420!

@lachlangreen8389

11 ай бұрын

​@Chief351L I've got them all, my favourite is the M4 then the Raw 420.

@carlhaentjens3548

11 ай бұрын

@@lachlangreen8389Interesting, what convinces you to choose the M4 over the raw 420?

Nice comparison thanks for your work 😊 How do you compare RS4 Venom to Trex 470. Both fly 380’s blades. 470 is much lighter. Is RS4 Venom more powerful, more rigid? For medium/hard 3D which one do you prefer? I have a Trex 470, in your opinion is RS4 Venom worth it next to it? I absolutely love my S2, so I’m pretty convinced by Goosky BTW.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! I greatly appreciate it. So owning both models, I will say that the RS4 venom is a well worth upgrade from the 470 in a couple aspects. Yes, the 470 is lighter, but the venom has more power way better tale performance at lower head speeds. You never have a tail blow out. If you like the S2 you will love the venom even more!

@jeanrochat

11 ай бұрын

@@westhobbiesrc8051 thanks for your feedback

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

@@jeanrochat you’re welcome! I will do a review and compensation on the Trex 470 and RS4 Venom.

@jeanrochat

11 ай бұрын

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Cool can’t wait to see it 😀

@mikefuchs2814

9 ай бұрын

I have two 470s and the M4 and the M4 tail is way better. The M4 feels totally locked in stable and has plenty of power for me. Amazing heli, easy to build.

OMP gets the win for me with all their products. It doesn’t hurt that their office and warehouse is 10 minutes away from me. I can call anytime and they have my stuff ready when I get there. They showed me the M4 long before it was known of.

@westhobbiesrc8051

10 ай бұрын

That’s good, having them close is a good thing. I knew about the M4 for well over a year almost two.

@Acemechanicalservices

10 ай бұрын

@@westhobbiesrc8051 They’re incredibly nice and helpful as well.

No Remote I D built in?

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

No, there is nothing out yet (that I know of) with Remote ID built in.

Me beginner in heli which is the best heli to beginner

@coldfirebeat4903

11 ай бұрын

Goosky or rs4 is the best

@pab908

11 ай бұрын

If you have no flight experience at all I would recommend neither. A 400 size heli is not a toy anymore! IMHO the xk k110 is a great heli to begin with. A friend of mine just learned with it. He crashed it at least 50 times meanwhile with minimal damage. You should just fly over grass.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

I highly recommend getting a Goosky S2 for your first beginner model I would also highly recommend picking up a simulator and practicing a lot before actually flying. I definitely don’t recommend going bigger than a 200 size model for your first and to get started as the bigger they are the more dangerous they are and the S2 is very inexpensive to replace parts in a crash and keep flying.

@frankymal8640

11 ай бұрын

@@westhobbiesrc8051 hi you recommend the S2 as good beginner Heli but then warn about high cost of spare parts in event of crash? Do you think an M2 or even an M1 might be a better option then than the GS S2 due to cheaper parts? Great vid by the way, I'm trying to decide which 150-200 Heli to get as my first 'proper' cp Heli.

@mikefuchs2814

9 ай бұрын

Get an Omp M2! You will love it.

This is what I don't understand with these, 5000 rpm! I know it's unloaded but why does it need to be that high on a 380mm blade heli when most people won't be flying above around 3000?! All the videos I've seen, people are running the throttle at 60-80% and not one video or mention to run this heli on 5s! 5s 2200mAh would be perfect and you'd get so much more flight time with only marginally reduced performance! Even 4s with something like 4s 3000mAh at 90-100% throttle would still give you 3000 rpm and probably 7+ minutes 3D!

who is better.....both😅

should probably mention you're sponsored by goosky.....

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

That has nothing to do with it. No matter what I’m always honest in every video. If you watch the RS4 VS RAW 420 I say the RAW 420 is my favorite. Not sponsored by SAB…

@adam.gibson

11 ай бұрын

@@westhobbiesrc8051 I think he is just suggesting that by not saying that up front, the perception could be taken differently that you might be trying to hide it. Certainly possible to have a non-biased review even if you are sponsored. I only own one of them so can't compare anything at all myself. It is great to have lots of options and I don't think anyone would go wrong with any of them.

@zxpro1684

11 ай бұрын

That person who made that allegation on RCG is an OMP Hobby dealer. He has absolutely no evidence to back that up. That is what typical OMP fanboys do, they smear people whose opinion they don't like. In addition to Jeff West, at least 3 persons on Helifreak with both the venom and M4 have said they prefer the venom, having more power and feeling more locked in at the same time. The behavior of OMP fanboys will just put people off the OMP completely.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

@@zxpro1684 I am a Goosky “team” pilot. But that means nothing. I’m not a SAB “team” pilot and prefer the RAW 420 over the Goosky RS4. So many people think being a “team” pilot (witch I didn’t ask for) they did because Ive tested and helped them improve there design since the beginning. OMP can’t help and take criticism about issues they have. I bet Jonas won’t talk about the bashing on Facebook because of the issues I had and made a post saying I was disappointed with build and never got any help because I’m me. It’s terrible customer service. If the M4 was better I would of said it’s better. I ALWAYS speak the truth and will never let a “team” pilot name persuade my opinion on like some others.

So I just read that you WestHobbiesRC is Sponsoer by Goosky and could sway to Goosky over others like the M4. Hmmmm

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

lol no, has nothing to do with Goosky. Just wait till the M4 and RAW 420 video comes out..lm not sponsored by SAB LOL or go watch my RAW 420 VS RS4 video.. here is a hint. I said I like the RAW 420 more.

@Airbrushkid

11 ай бұрын

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Someone on RCG says your sponsoer by Goosky. In the OMP M4 thread.

@zxpro1684

11 ай бұрын

That somebody on RCG is an OMP Hobby dealer. He has absolutely no evidence to back that up. That is what typical OMP fanboys do, they smear people whose opinion they don't like. In addition to Jeff West, at least 3 persons on Helifreak with both the venom and M4 have said they prefer the venom, having more power and feeling more locked in at the same time. The behavior of OMP fanboys will simply put people off OMP altogether.

@Airbrushkid

11 ай бұрын

@@zxpro1684 that fanboy was the designer. Jonas.

Before I even watch, the RS4 will be better somehow. lol what a joke

@lachlangreen8389

11 ай бұрын

Tell me about it.

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching! Make sure to hit that subscribe button!

Great Video. The high Motor Temperature is a big problem at the M4 because the Servos are getting pretty hot too because of that. Goosky made a better job there in my opinion. Maybe i should have waited for the Rs4 Venom 🫤

@westhobbiesrc8051

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate it, yes! Higher motor temps is a problem. And that was just with one flight. Normally, I fly multiple packs through my helicopters at a time and I think after three or four batteries, it would be so hot. I wouldn’t feel comfortable flying it! The Venom is a beast! Love that Heli already. Tons of power and handles flight after flight, pack after pack and motor is around the same temp from first to last flight. I have a video with the difference between the regular RS4, and RS4 venom

@tom.beckert_rc

11 ай бұрын

Yes. Maybe it will get better with the new Motor but these Motors are pretty expensive. I think it will cost about 200$. Before i Upgrade to a new Motor it would probably be smarter to sell the m4 and buy a rs4 venom. I mean the M4 flies good but its no fun when i can just fly in the Winter cause the Electronics get to warm in the summer

@SebastienKasman

11 ай бұрын

Jeff, it would be nice if you could quantify the "Hot" motor temperature by measuring it and do the same on the motor of the venom. This makes the review more valuable. Thank you and keep on going with the reviews!

Sound like a car salesman

@westhobbiesrc8051

10 ай бұрын

And a good one!

venom is beautiful，m4 is ugly.