I'm trying to figure out why they would want to erase the most recognised brand name in DJ equipment.

@speedygeoff9595

6 ай бұрын

It does happen. I'm old enough to still think the most recognized brand in DJ equipment is Technics 🙂

@ruk2023--

6 ай бұрын

I don't understand your point. Technics became virtually unknown because they didn't move into the digital DJ market. Pioneer DJ are still the number one product brand used in every single DJ booth in clubs and festivals. It cost them millions upon millions in marketing and advertising to achieve that status. Why throw away that brand cachet and ability to price accordingly on a product line nobody has heard of unless you're told it's owned by the company that owns Pioneer DJ?@@speedygeoff9595​

@JKOEN

6 ай бұрын

They acquired PioneerDJ 10 years ago and everyone says the licensing to the name ran out so now they had to change the name

@simonconquest

6 ай бұрын

Because of people referring to their DJ equipment as Pioneer and not PioneerDJ. Pioneer is a completely different company.

@ruk2023--

6 ай бұрын

Yeah it is but I own a Pioneer AV receiver and the logo still looks the same as my Pioneer DJ decks. @@simonconquest

The price is absolutely RIDICULOUS!!!

@djk2290

4 ай бұрын

Yes! I'll wait till $500

@ScrottyMcBigMac

18 күн бұрын

With the features it’s got it’s worth like 700 max

@alidonis4053

17 күн бұрын

​@@ScrottyMcBigMacEven the ddj 400 had more features! i'm only buying that one IF it reaches 600. I'm not spending any more. (acounting the ddj 400 needs a fairly good pc to work)

I would say the stand out feature of this unit is thats its even more overpriced than _almost_ all of Pioneers other stuff 💪

@chemeister

6 ай бұрын

*AlphaTheta 🙄

@dam55ian

6 ай бұрын

facts

@PremiumUserUltra

6 ай бұрын

Lol

I hate how a lot of the physical buttons have been turned into touch screen actions. Not the future I want.

@roumadeit

6 ай бұрын

maybe they wanted to give an advanced or premium feel to it like the pro cdjs

@dhaimovich1

6 ай бұрын

💯 takes the soul out of DJing

@wachimol

6 ай бұрын

Yeah if a button goes out there's always the possibility of opening it up and changing out the part. your touchscreen breaks you've got a 1500 dollar paperweight

@biffinbome

6 ай бұрын

@@wachimol this is a very good point

$1500 tho.. just to mention you can get Rane One or a pair of xdj 700 or a pair of 1200 mk2's for that price.

@dam55ian

6 ай бұрын

not only that for that price u can get a setup of xdj700 and a batterypack to do just what this is supposed to do but better or a secondhands macbook/laptoptablet and a controller

@hardkore360

6 ай бұрын

​@@dang_nada"accessible" is a very broad word that could apply to any other stand alone controller.

@TranceCore3

Ай бұрын

You'd probably still need a mixer for the two XDJs, no one needs two heavy ass media players that can't be mixed. And for people just getting into the hobby, you should be including the cost of the mixer, if the unit doesn't come with one already.

@jono8588

Ай бұрын

​@@dang_nadaI'd actually say with the lack of so many buttons and the reliance on a tiny overcrowded screen that it's actually not very accessible at all! 😑

Looks a bit like something you would get out of a happy meal

@samirait-kaci-gf3bn

6 ай бұрын

😂😂 so fucking true

@sidekicksjn

6 ай бұрын

Build quality looks appalling for the price.

@Maurin67

6 ай бұрын

@@sidekicksjn can’t judge that from a distance really, but it just doesn’t look like professional dj gear. It looks like a ddj-flx4 with built in monitor, for the price of pro dj equipment.

@BlueHawk80

6 ай бұрын

ok fanboy @@sidekicksjn

@EI_Greko

6 ай бұрын

Definitely looks like my flx4​@@Maurin67

So far I am quite dissapointed. Let me start with saying it's great to see that AT/Pioneer DJ are trying to move forward to streaming, wireless, party/bluetooth song request kind of modes for those house parties or jam sessions on the go. But there are a lot of major oversights for me, and things that Denon/Numark already do better at a better price point. Moving away from physical buttons and having to take more steps to get where you are on the machine whilst in the mix is something I have experienced on a variety of Denon gear, up to the SC6000 even which is brilliant. Pioneer or AT (this will age like X/twitter...) always has had its strong suit on having the same physical button layout, everything from memory cue and loop to hot cue / play cue buttons and mixer controls are all the same on the whole scala of their products, this was a major strong point. Any DJ with experience on pioneer gear is able to play a set with 0 set up time regardless of what the venue is set up with, this seems to fade away with this product and assumably more so in the future. I strongly wonder about responsiveness of the buttons and the interface, the waveforms seem cramped and tiny on the screen as they're surrounded by the on screen buttons. The bluetooth song record and manipulation is a cool idea, but I wonder how much use it will get and how it will sound on some pa speakers. Personally I am missing the following buttons: Slip/Quantize, Master Tempo, second bank of cue button levels for beat loop and effects, Color FX selector, the brilliant FX section, headphones cue buttons, track search, physical browse and playlist buttons. No jog wheel lights is a shame but I can understand with battery power and size, but it is an iconic touch that is gone on this unit. Then one gripe I really cannot get over with, even for house parties and on the go: Where is the second usb A slot? It probably won't also work with a tiny usb hub or will it? How do you swap dj's now that are not on SD cards. And there is no major streaming service integration so you can't really hop on to one of those, play a track and swap usb. I guess as a hardcore Pioneer fanboy it is time to invest in the last holy grail setup and watch that age like fine Technics wine. Any thoughts of others or Crossfade themselves?

@FMHOfficialMusic

6 ай бұрын

Couldn´t agree more. Huge blunder from AlphaTheta in my opinion to deviate from the established layout. Luckily we got the FLX-4/FLX-10 controllers before they made the shift. They will be around for quite some time.

@s.o.shumanbeing7909

6 ай бұрын

To mutch digital

@Tokent555

6 ай бұрын

I purchased my XDJ-XZ 3 years ago and unless it goes totally dead I don’t think I will change, its got EVERY feature, input and output a DJ would need, so this new bluetooth gimmick while having only a half ass controller makes 0 sense to pick up. Even the bedroom djs would be better off with a DDJ-400…. Useless product

@impulex4952

6 ай бұрын

@@Tokent555 even the older CDJs are better than this crap. imo peak was CDJ2000NXS2 / XZ, everything after that isnt worth it. If i was a beginner and someone told me "bluetooth connectivity" i wouldnt even know what to do!

@Tokent555

6 ай бұрын

@@impulex4952 My only problem with that setup is that before the XZ even 1 Nxs2 was much more expensive than the XZ itself. The club where I learned most of my stuff had 2 2000nxs2 and a 900nx2 mixer, there was no way I could afford anything like that to practice at home, but then thankfully the XZ came out and it was my first normal setup after the DDJ-RB

Just one question: why?

I'm still in shock that this £400 controller is £1000 over price

@BlueHawk80

6 ай бұрын

1600€ lmao, ridiculous

@bigdaz7272

6 ай бұрын

Pioneer Tax my friend, they always add 40-50% on top of the actual value of there stuff before they sell it LOL

@groovindj

6 ай бұрын

Tell me please, where can you get a standalone DJ media player (it's not just a controller) for £400?

@nickonnights

6 ай бұрын

@@groovindj Numark Mixstream Pro £553 released 2021 and battery version Numark Mixstream Pro Go £666 released 2023 both units use Engine as an OS and have more features on launch than this lazy addition to Pioneers hardware catalogue.

@jaykumarr1

6 ай бұрын

It's actually 1500 dollars 😂 way too high

What's up with the whole "lets move as many buttons as possible to the touchscreen" concept? Seems like a complete antithesis of the concept of a DJ controller, if I didn't want physical buttons, I'd be DJing without a controller directly on a laptop/phone. Especially at that price.

@brianweingartner619

6 ай бұрын

eventually it will be all screen, but like 5 times as thick as an iPad

@paniejakubie

6 ай бұрын

Probably because it's cheaper to make one screen than multiple various knobs and their entire electronics. I can't imagine trying to figure out the menu in this thing to do stuff that would take one knob though.

@jono8588

Ай бұрын

​Cheaper? Nothing about the huge price of this controller has anything to do with cheaper! 😂

I will keep my Denon Prime Go, thank you.

@djlenzo8683

6 ай бұрын

Same!!

@hardkore360

6 ай бұрын

I've added an Innofader crossfader on mine and it's TOP-NOTCH!

@astralyd

6 ай бұрын

If you already have that you obviously dont need this one 😂

@ParrotZeka

6 ай бұрын

Same brother

@bynkro

6 ай бұрын

I'll wait for the version with vertical EQ knobs ..

It seriously looks like a Fisher Price toy... I can't believe this is actually happening... I think the world has gone bonkers.

@robertschnobert9090

6 ай бұрын

I kind of like the look. Minimal. The price and user interface don't convince me though. It's a start I guess. 🌈

@djdommenjay

6 ай бұрын

Since 2020 the world has gone absolute shit

@roumadeit

6 ай бұрын

and they say another thing like the 2020 stuff is comming 🥴 @@djdommenjay

I love the look, the size and almost everything about this unit. BUT.. Twice the price of a Mixstream Go with less features and an extra monthly subscription.. come on Pioneer. Give use something disruptive like the DDJ-1000 again. The only reason would be the existing rekordbox support which is using a different file format as well.. At this price point it’s very hard to consider.

@BlueHawk80

6 ай бұрын

the look is the worst part

I'll stick to my Numark Mixstream Pro. I can also mix on CDJs and Pioneer's all in ones fine at this point. I just need something to practice and home and make sure tracks sound good together. The fact that there's no streaming is also a big letdown. I am considering upgrading to a used RX2 or SC Live 4 down the line for almost this exact price range. it's a shame this couldn't have been sub 1k for newer djs.

@glenmontpiankhi

6 ай бұрын

I use the flx4 for practice or something to take in a backpack. A lot cheaper

Me during the review: 😄 Me when the price came up: 💀

Bluetooth?! WOW! So innovative... for 2010, maybe. 😂😂😂

@Olppa

6 ай бұрын

And it doesn't even have low latency codecs

@christbel4965

6 ай бұрын

You seem to don't know what you talking. YES It a great option and no other Btands have this option on is StandAlone unit

@DJ_BeatBlasterz

6 ай бұрын

@@christbel4965 The funny thing is that in reality everyone knows that all Denon/Numark units with wifi already have a built-in bluetooth chip since the 2017 sc5000. It's just not enabled in EngineOS yet.

Haha. I'll stick to my Prime Go, thank you very much. 3 years later is one of the best things I've ever played on (especially for its size).

Nice toy :D A pricey one too! Looked promising at the beginning but this is just too few for too much

I honestly thought this was gonna cost £600. It doesnt look premium or pro, at all.

I’ve learned from enough new products that I’ll have to wait to hear from friends before spending 1400$ on this. I already got a prime go and while it isn’t perfect. It was truly innovative when it came out and it’s helped me tons over the years

Thanks very much to Jamie for another excellent product review. I remember watching you nearly 4 years ago reviewing Denon DJ's excellent little Prime Go and therein lies the problem, they've blatantly copied the Prime Go from 4 years ago but produced a product that doesn't do as much as the Prime Go ( bar the Bluetooth ) and yet this will probably cost a fortune compared to that. Denon DJ must be rolling on the floor laughing right now 😂

Great review and honestly I completely agree! Especially with why not already have it automatically connected to streaming services…like that’s huge

Denon prime 4+ is a bit more expensive, but loaded with the features. If I would throw a party in the wild I would just use a mobile powerbank like Ecoflow, so I can play all night long. And sound systems usually run from the quiet generator like the red Honda series. Can't get the idea of this device. By the way, while the interface looks sleek, absence of the physical controls for effects and players makes this also less intuitive.

We still have my Pioneer ddj400, laptop and jbl extreme 3. ... working spontaneus wonders in the Vondelpark Amsterdam

It looks like my DDJ-1000 will have to wait a bit longer for its retirement.... Maybe my preferences are too old-fashioned.

@djdontgetcooked

6 ай бұрын

I used to have a DDJ-1000 and I sold it and since then I had SC6000M, x1850, rx3, x1mk3 but I still miss the DDJ-1000 every single day

@TheBassMaster56

6 ай бұрын

I have an FLX 10 and it's a fantastic controller.

@sazwell

6 ай бұрын

Fortunately the FLX-10 seems to retain the old style of design unlike the FLX-4/6

@astralyd

6 ай бұрын

the ddj-1000 is a perfectly fine controller, I just bought one, what do you mean..?

@TheBassMaster56

6 ай бұрын

@@astralyd FLX 10 is a "new version" of the 1000

Looks Ideal for outdoor sets and streams and has some unique features but the price is wild! Thought it was going to be under 600 euro for sure till I got to the end of the video.

love the size and the looks with xlr outputs and mic inputs. But price killed it all. otherwise i would think about getting it. if you connect computer with rekordbox, arent you able to use tidal with this then?

The UI looks very "Android" like, I guess I've taken the Engine DJ UI for granted all these years with their continuous updates and clean layout 😮

I’m glad they finally put an internal clock in. 👍

Thanks for the review. Where and how do you access your samples on this?

Bluetooth integration is wild. So you can actually hook up a pc, microphone or anything that uses bluetooth, live generate whatever you want (like someone at wedding having said something), and loop that on that system. It's not about a song on your phone, but it is about spamming the "I do" at that wedding party just before the beat drops.

@BlueHawk80

6 ай бұрын

nothing "wild" about that, and it also comes to Denon/Numark, dont worry.

@Hp4Z

3 ай бұрын

the original serato had that feature as a mic/aux in. simple and easy to use.

just before i carry on with the video, the bluetooth idea is smart but is the latency near 100% accurate because it was either the ddj 200 or 400 or both had bluetooth for we dj and the latency between using the mixer and sound output was annoying.

Non-starter without streaming services. But I'll prob get the wireless speaker and use w/ my Denon Prime GO

I dont see a button to toggle cue the master output in the headphones, but theres a cue/master level knob so i guess it's possible, but how do you toggle it?

The influence Teenage Engineering has had on music hardware is still being felt

Can u play songs through apps on ur phone ie Tidal, Spotify, Apple Music, Mixcloud, SoundCloud, KZread, Amazon music, etc?

Great detailed review. Just don’t understand why this needs to exist, or why they seem to be using the lacklustre prime series of controllers as a benchmark to beat

@irishpaddy555

6 ай бұрын

‘Lack lustre’ thats funny..💩😆

Is the tempo fader the same size as the flx4 ?

You can see are they are going after the Denon DJ market here. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a "Prime 4" type unit in the works.

@hardkore360

6 ай бұрын

At 3x the cost 😂😂😂

@Xdot15

2 ай бұрын

I mean the opus quad already exists 😂 $4.5k

Do you think they can just do a software update to allow streaming services down the road? Debating on buying this for boat parties ..beaches etc etc

So the adapter that plugs in for latency free dj’ing that’s gotta be radio frequency right?

Great review! This unit is quite expensive, plus it’s lacking streaming capabilities and there’s no level meters. I’m just wondering how does the song analysis thing works? Is it onboard? Can we use Rekordbox and export tracks to some USB drive?

@groovindj

6 ай бұрын

Yes it does have level meters. It's those coloured lights between the EQs. 🤣

So, you can play and mixing with spotify again to your deck with a bluetooth?

Hey it might sound stupid but i really wanna know do I still have to go through rekordbox in my laptop to export tracks or i can prepare it on the unit

Is it just a simple plug and play with USBs or do you need to put them through rekordbox

what software ia the device streaming ? eg when someone requests song ... where is the device taking the audio ?

Perhaps it was enabled in an update after this video, but you can stream! A local Sacramento, CA. DJ shop demoed streaming Spotify to this controller via Bluetooth. The controller caches up to 10 minutes of audio and you can manipulate the track just like an mp3 (scratch/add effects/loop/etc). Crazy!

Is serato dj pro gonna be standalone? I only want this to run without a laptop

Been waiting for such a unit, I like the color design and the connectivity options BUT - Price tag wtf? The screen is so pixelated low resolution, the thick black bezels wtf? The Effects control also is very bad. Next release please..

is the top cover of the console made of plastic or metal? (except for the jogs)

With no streaming unless you never use another product there are cheaper alternatives that do more!

@arioheshmatzadeh7880

6 ай бұрын

Technically you can still "stream" through Rekordbox but I hear you, still need a laptop connected for streaming.

Well, it’s actually the first product I see that has been able to overcome Spotify limitations using the clever Bluetooth playback feature. It’s like streaming (which is not possibile due to the agreements between Spotify and artists). This is huge!

Unique quirky but I like it idk why … I assume they might add an updated 4 channel controller that has all the other features we love or even saw (fx controls ) and possibly see a refresh of the cdj’s and mixers as well Who knows ? But I do like the direction they are going Only other company I’ve seen really step up their product was Denon Dj … so this will be cool to see Just wish the price would be bit more affordable

This to me seems to replace the flx4 if you are into the Bluetooth access and touchscreen features. Not worth it for me however in a niche market there are situations that fit some

Pioneer DJ's interfaces were bright and looked similar on most of their products so you could get familiar on a professional setup if you practiced on a DDJ-400, but the monotone look of the OMNIS-DUO makes me worried about what they might do with their next CDJs

I think this is the case of a company trying to tell us what we need rather than asking us what we want. I don’t think it’s going to work.

@DJ_BeatBlasterz

6 ай бұрын

The Pioneer / Alphatheta mentality at the moment is a bit "Tell us what you want/expect and let us explain why you don't need it while paying 60% more than the competition who have everything you want".

@kreature6618

6 ай бұрын

They seen people are stupid these days and will buy any old crap, look at the gaming industry and movies

I would be worried about how the BT performs in a room full of people with BT and other wireless features going all over the place with laptops and phones and etc everywhere causing interference

@LinkageAX

6 ай бұрын

For reference, my Pioneer BT headphones cut out when a car drives past

Its basically the FLX series just rebranded, but id much more be interested if they bring out a 4-deck version of it with the buttons that switch between decks. The standalone feature at this price range and wireless feature of this is reasonable imo.

Omnis invented Denon Prime go. Bravo Pioneer Corporation burns))))

Sold.... perfect for plug in bar gigs!

how do i know whats active on the performance pads? where do i switch between channels on the mixer FX? why are there no more physical loop buttons? no master tempo button? on a standalone? im sure all of this is in the screen, which is about as lovely as having your AC controls in your car on a screen

My first question would be: is this alphatheta's first linux system? Or is this still a specialized OS?

looks like something from argos back in the day

I want to like it but using in a dark room would be an issue, the price and what is it with everything being a touchscreen now? Theres to much prescision needed for a touchscreen that can seriously disrupt yoir flow

After having watched other reviews saying the same things about this controller, I simply don't get why it is something really special that you can record audio from your iPhone via bluetooth and you can even add cue points to it....????

How does this compare to the Denon prime go 2?

I thought it was a fail that the effect trigger for the channel is on the screen vs a button

They clearly don't want to associate legacy and established club products released under the former Pioneer Dj brand with Alpha Theta. This product release coming out at the same time a rebranding is going on shows a new direction from now on. IMO they want to put ore focus on everyday DJs and content creators.

@Nexus--9

6 ай бұрын

OR, they dont want people to be able to say "look pioneer copied denon!" as it's basically an overpriced denon go

@gd_xl

6 ай бұрын

love that direction but not everyday DJ friendly in any way with that 1500 price tag

@DEBOASSE

6 ай бұрын

@@gd_xl I know right? The product is cool but no $1500 cool

The Mixstream Pro Go and Denon Prime (if it had bigger jog wheels) seem like better options.

@9285550

4 ай бұрын

Mixstream pro go has good size jogs

Is there any standalone stems support?

No streaming services??

Not feeling the look but it has full sized jogs unlike the Prime Go and the 4 extra hot cue buttons over the Mixstream Pro....but that price though yesh. Based on this - the OPUS Quad look appears to be the future of "Pioneer DJ" or whatever it is now. I'll be holding onto my DDJ 1000SRT extra tight now. Side note after Jaime demonstrated the wireless speaker with the interface for low latency, I think the first portable unit to come with a low latency bluetooth option built in will dominate that market.

What the difference with ddj flx4 pioneer??

Not sure if I missed how about Stems ?

Excellent video, as always. BIG BUT: Whoa, did the thing allowes to record audio from spotify and play it in parties where a DJ charges money for that? I bet a big sue is comming to Alphatheta if that's the case.

If this was ~$500, i was going to consider it. But anything beyond that, no. Am i too cheap? I dont known😂

@hardkore360

6 ай бұрын

Nope, you know the value of money vs. options

..................Does we can play with recharging player .........

Inmusic group now would be a great opportunity to drop a numark ns6iii, something about the size of the ns7ii without spinning jogs, lighter, and just a few upgrades and you'll be the newest leader in this Dj equipment biz!!!!!

On the streaming issue, I would imagine the licensing and legal effort would be immense, because you have to work out deals with each streamer, who then have to update their user agreements to include licensing the music for public performance, which is technically illegal still.

Not having any streaming services seems a huge oversight.

Can you do manual loop? ( loop in, loop out)

SEEMS TO BE A SPLIT SECOND DELAY WHEN PRESSING THE PLAY BUTTON AND SCRATCHING IS NOT REALLY SYNCED BEFORE IT COMES OUT THE SPEAKER IN BLUETOOTH MODE .🤔

can the screen go up?

This looks like a £600 device, the £1,369 pricetag is crazyyy

I wait on this one.

This is a good unit for instagram djs tbf🤔…They can now Bluetooth playlists from there phone and then twiddle with buttons 👍

You missed 2 options. 1- With BT you can read your Smartphone in continious, with out need to record😉. Great for backup, using ex(djay and Tidal). 2 - you can acces Rekordbox Cloud. I think the big mystake is no Streaming services. BT are great, the only + agains the compétitions, but nothing to make me buy the unit😊 Crazy price $1500. I will keep my MST pro.

The omission of music streaming on this product is quite strange.

How would we manual loop with these 🥲

Thanks! Is there a stems feature aboard trhis please ?

@bigdaz7272

6 ай бұрын

Very much doubt that, they didn't even put Stems on the 3 Grand Opus Quad LOL

@BlueHawk80

6 ай бұрын

no, there isn't.

@karaoke6861

6 ай бұрын

@@bigdaz7272 Already outdated so

It's interesting, but I would've preferred a DDJ-FLX 4 (and 8) with the onboarding screen and no battery and no Bluetooth features really. I'm not impressed compared to Denon Prime Go, but it's still a good step forward.

@darc_harmoni4828

6 ай бұрын

No doubt. A couple hundred more for an FLX10 and it’s a Beast!

I feel they really missed out on this unit. They had the Dennon as an example and they didn't copy the cool features in particular the lighting with Philips hue. One more thing is the breakout box for low latency layout..... Come on! Who wants to have this sonic link thingmidget dangling on the wires. So it's wireless.... with wires.... Last but not least if it's a unit to move from CDJ's why not fully replicate the look and feel of a CDJ Same buttons, same layout? Otherwise cool device.

The biggest reason is the licensing deals that they will have to contend with when it comes to adding streaming services to access to these devices! It doesn’t start and stop with Tidal, SoundCloud or us the customer. I can only imagine how much these services want for access (or even the labels).

When I first saw this I thought it was going to be an alternative to the Numark Mix track pro... Then I had alook at the price!😮 Has everyone gone mad? Pro output specs for a standalone which doest even have full throw pitch sliders. For less you can get Rane One or not much more, Rev 7. When I started back in 91, i never thought I'd go digital but now I'm on board but this is bewildering and seems more like a vanity project than a step forward. Probably wrong(as usual) but i can see a lot of these on the second hand market in a years time😢

how much is??

ddj 400 for me still rock

Alpha theta ❤

No Streaming Services for now ! like (Tidal, BeatSource etc). It will come in soon, with some update ❤❤

Not even a Denon Prime Go really is it? With that plastic build it's closer to a MixStream of which has more features and you could buy 2 of and still have change. 😂

can’t judge that from a distance really, but it just doesn’t look like professional dj gear. It looks like a ddj-flx4 with built in monitor, for the price of pro dj equipment.