I think this is a really interesting discussion, and as someone who's got flexible thumbs stretching to or beyond 90 degrees I'll take it as a W I very much appreciate you for pointing out that Oleg's genetic advantage is unfair for his opponents, and regarding the topic of whether these genetic abnormalities should be allowed, just wanna mention that very very few pullers even possess any genetic abnormalities, much less one that brings an advantage in armwrestling. Imagine if 40% of armwrestlers had genetic mutations on their arms, hands, or even entire bodies that bring strength advantages in one way or another. This would bring serious questions about the ethics of allowing these mutants to compete with regular people, as they would make up a large portion of competitive armwrestlers. However, people like Zhokh are one in a million, and individually they do not heavily disallow other pullers from being competitive. In my humble opinion, to implement rules restricting or preventing them from competing would do more for excluding them from the community than evening out the playing field for those without genetic mutations. This is also not to mention that we are discussing pullers with visible genetic abnormalities expressed through their genetic phenotypes in the form of extra tendons in their elbows, irregularly large and thick hands, etc. but there are also "mutants" like Levan who don't have these structural differences separating their anatomy and physiology from us regular people, but are still very genetically gifted and highly dominant in AW. This can blurs the lines between what constitutes an unfair advantage when it comes to genetic differences between pullers. For now I think we can just appreciate the Jeff Dabes, Oleg Zhokhs and Matthias Schlittes of the armwrestling world for the special pullers they are. Great vid, Greg🙏

@Pepe-pq3om

5 ай бұрын

I'm not sure it has much to do with the angle you can move your thumb, is more about where it attaches on the hand.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Thanks YanZe, I think you present a very balanced view on the topic and your arguments resonate with me. Also, PePe, you’re exactly right. It’s not so much about the angle per se, but about the actual location/position of the thumb

I never realized that olegs strap was so low🥶

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

🥲 thinking of all the extra titles I’d have with a strap like that…

@ancapgrandscribe9546

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, to beat Oleg you'll need the hand size of Denis and Levan and strength of them to have a fairer grip.

but greg is indeed THAT strong

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

🙏 and Martino is indeed THAT smart 💪

Surprised that no one has mentioned it yet, but yes the strap is alot lower on Oleg Zhokh due to his abnormal structure

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, I can’t imagine being able to have such a huge advantage off the start. Must feel invincible.

@richardgamrat1944

5 ай бұрын

Travis Bagent mentioned iirc.

@ChristopherTan001

5 ай бұрын

@@richardgamrat1944 oh I was not aware, is there a video with him talking about it?

@richardgamrat1944

5 ай бұрын

@@ChristopherTan001 I think so, but I dont remember where/when I heard it.

@TimmyTurner421

5 ай бұрын

Travis Bagent has mentioned that a million times and also years ago

#trust the asian on the maths

@levansaginashvilifromthefuture

5 ай бұрын

😂

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Totally legit and peer reviewed calculations /s

That's a close observation. I did not notice the double strap on the wrist part. That's indeed a major advantage. Simple pulling the upper strap closer to the wrist helps some pullers perform better. I guess with the growth of sport there will be certain considerations for such cases. Good point!

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed the video! For now at least, I don’t think excluding such pullers should be the way to go, but if more and more of these anomalies start to become commonplace, then I think we have to take things seriously into consideration. - Greg

But also, did u see the video of mazurenko testing andrey pushkar and oleg zohk? It was a while ago, but in that video he actually also managed to outlift pushkar in back pressure i think... does that also have to do with his thumb placement u think?

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

To be clear, I do believe Oleg is EXTREMELY strong even without his abnormal hand/thumb. But it’s the fact that he has that, on top of crazy backpressure genetics due to the extremely high Brachioradialis attachment on his forearm (explained in his Mazurenko documentary), which takes him a cut above the rest.

@ArmwrestlingExxplained

5 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling yessir, those things really do add up to one strong dude😂😂

That's an interesting topic but...what does constitute an unfair genetic advantage ? Brzenk's thumb, Larratt arm and finger length, Cyplenkov thick hands are all in a way "abnormalities". It's very hard to make a line between what genetic advantage should be legal and what isn't. But I guess it is possible as we do with PEDs, which is also subjective. That's the first thing we need to do, define what would constitute an "abnormality" before even starting to discuss about the fact of banning them or not.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Yes, you make a great point about having to agree on a definition; albeit arbitrary, it has to be decided on if we want to think about restrictions or separations in the future.

When Denis faced Oleg in 2013 and 2014, Denis's big and strong hands nullified Oleg's ability to force Denis to take a lower grip.

@EastsideArmWrestling

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's truly being on another level

Quality video Greg! Now I can't un-see the strap thing every time I see Oleg pull.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Just imagine if you had that strap setup for yourself 😅

@brendandaniels889

5 ай бұрын

Travis has been pointing this out for a while and it all started making much more sense

A. Muratov height is 181cm 92kg+12kg belly fat, he likes to competing in SHW. while mutant Zhokh 183cm and actual daily weight is 88kg competing in smaller categories.

@EastsideArmWrestling

3 ай бұрын

Current Oleg is not the same as his old self. Before the accident he was competing in SHW too.

@Traderberg

3 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling Semerenko, Matyushenko, Taynov, Larratt, Shamiev was beat Zhokh before accident.

@EastsideArmWrestling

3 ай бұрын

@@Traderberg yes, I’m sure most people know that, and your point being?

I think that those who have some kind of mutation should start 1-2 categories higher, because there they can meet pullers with similar arm structure.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Interesting suggestion, thanks for watching and sharing!

Recognized the same thing with Denis thumb placement a while back. His thumb inserts so low that, in order to not cover his knuckle, his opponet must have a deep grip, Devon noticed this too and set up as deep as possible. I would assume the strap attaches similarily on Denis hand as Olegs. Additionally if your thumb inserts lower it allows for you to get a deeper grip and cover more of the back your opponents hand. This helps finger containment and wrist flexion. As if Oleg even needed that with his already long ahh fingers. He pretty much always starts with a position that is reassuring for him and overwhelming for his opponent. In last years waf we saw his weakness though against Nifontov.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Great catch seeing it for Denis too. The thumb insertion point is indeed an unassuming but immensely powerful genetic advantage. This gives me even more awe at Nifontov for being able to hold Oleg like that. His teammate Aktaev was able to beat Oleg in the past with a fast press too.

@leilarouzikhah1367

5 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling yeah, and Shimaev beat him similarily in 2015, one of Olegs Prime years. The Kazakhs Just have that crazy commitment to do whatever it Takes No Matter what.

Awesome content, can u make arm wrestling training video regarding auto regulation of loading intensity, i mean weekly, monthly etc

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for your kind words man. That is indeed an interesting topic. I’ll think about how to turn it into a video and consider it for the future 🙏

That's why denis used to beat him easy . Coz denis was used to pulling everyone by gripping their wrist

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Oh wow, I never thought of that. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!

The problem with regulating genetics is where do you draw the line? This is the problem with persons fighting for equality in every facet of life. No two people are the same. Our genetic differences are why the human race is so successful. The only line in the sand I draw in regards to genetics are men who fancy themselves as women who want to compete as a woman.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

I think one way we can draw the line is by adjusting the rules so that the equipment/setup becomes as fair as possible. For example, a different sort of strap could be utilized so that this asymmetry becomes impossible to abuse.

@TheChartistYT

5 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling For the record, this video is amazing. It is like Armwrestlings version of investigative journalism. Absolutely brilliant.

@mikehawk6918

5 ай бұрын

*Human species Race is a differentiator inside the species, much like breed or subspecies is. It's like saying "the dog breed" to refer to all dogs.

@TheChartistYT

5 ай бұрын

@@mikehawk6918 I don't disagree but "the human race" is a term as defined by Cambridge dictionary as one that encompasses all people in the world.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

@@TheChartistYT cheers man, I appreciate the sentiment and I’m glad you enjoyed the video! I’ll keep working hard to produce more high-quality content! 👊

Why shouldn't it be allowed? Should we exclude him from armwrestling because he's simply better built for it than average humans? I don't see why we should exclude guys for being better suited to perform in a sport. Might as well exclude Levan because he's built different too. How many 200kg athletic armwrestlers like Levan are there? Well clearly he has a genetic advantage yet it would never cross my mind to exclude him from this sport. It's the job of the rest of the field to find the key to beat him.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

I don’t think he should be excluded too. However, what I believe should happen is some kind of rule or equipment change that will make things more fair/even for both pullers. Perhaps some kind of strap that doesn’t allow for an asymmetrical advantage.

Wow this was a very interesting video. I never really noticed how crucial his thumb placement is! I would still say he should be allowed to compete

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Yup, I also don’t think banning Oleg should be the answer here. But something might need to be changed in the future, whether it is the strap itself, or possibly a rule about the strap that says one wrap has to be above the wrist and one wrap has to be below the wrist (otherwise you get a foul).

Just like in all sports, the build of the athlete gives a big advantage and or disadvantage. You see this in powerlifting where some guys are more geared for heavy squats and others for deadlifts etc.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

For sure! I’m sure we’ve all seen the videos of those deadlifter bodies with crazy long arms and short torso 😂

The insane width of his hand makes it extremely difficult to get a good grip on him. Super difficult to contain

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

For sure, I think we’ve only seen a handful of people able to contain him - most of whom outweigh him by dozens of pounds. One of the most impressive guys I’ve seen battle Oleg has been Plamen Dimitrov, who even managed to take Oleg’s hand.

Very interesting! I think it should be allowed but I’m also surprised with the strap position

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

For sure, I don’t think a blanket ban is the way to go as well. Though, certain rule changes might be necessary.

So far hes the only abnormal arm not just gentically gifted.I dont see it being an issue. Maybe if I had to pull him I might have a different out look but It is fun watching him beat the big guys though. I think steroids should be banned before hanicap people really. Either way I love the sport.

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

Yup, for sure i don't think he should be banned, but the rules might need to be adjusted

Great take，never noticed the wrist strap position differs on Oleg‘s hand，but I would argue that for both strap fall below his wrist is a huge of boost as demonstrated by you pulling the 65kgs，cuz one strap is enough for any arm wrestlers to exert strength through，and the wrist strap is not suppose to be a starp use for force exerting but just to bind the hands together. Though there may be other advantages for that.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Possibly the strap can be modified in the future to mitigate some of these issues! Thanks for taking the time to leave your comment!

Wow… that does seem odd and the advantage is undeniable.

This is an excellent, well thought out video. Hadn’t heard of you before but you’ve got a new subscriber 👍🏻

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Thanks isyt! Admittedly, the actual mechanics of how Oleg’s hands exactly create his advantages aren’t as elaborated as I would’ve liked, but I think this rough summary was enough for me to bring up the main point I wanted to make about the armwrestling rules. Thanks so much for supporting, your sub is greatly appreciated! 👊

@isyt1

5 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling No worries mate. I’m not 100% sure the leverage calculations are just right in terms of it transferring to strap position but it would be very difficult to calculate. It’s very interesting though. Would be keen to see more on this 👍🏻

Interesting. I have hypermobile joints and can extend my thumb down to be basically level with my wrist, to essentially the same position as Oleg. Need to try it out next time I'm gripping up with someone.

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

The actual location of attachment in relation to the hand/wrist is also important, so it might not be feasible for everyone even with hyper mobility

"Tell me you are an engineer, without telling me you are an engineer"

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Haha, as an arts major, I take that as a compliment!

I loved this video, man. I've always thought that the setup looked almost impossible for some guys vs him. I can't fault Oleg, but i think it's something worth talking about for strap rules.

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, ultimately, he’s still doing everything totally within the rules and using his genetics to his advantage, just like everyone else.

Travis Bagen noticed this years ago. Anyway Oleg used to be twice as strong before his arm blew apart. He could hang with superheavies and no matter where your strap places you need insane muscular strength to do it.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

For sure, his strength regardless is undeniable. It’s just augmented to ridiculous levels with these advantages 😂

thats what i always said he is definetly strong enough to win almost anyone with that kind of advantages his awkard hand gives him

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Totally! I can’t imagine having to pull an opponent like that. With that in mind, it puts into perspective just how strong those guys like Avtandil and Mikhail are to be able to hang with him even with all those disadvantages they have.

Correct

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and supporting man 🙏

His table-strength is beyond his actual muscular strength, indeed.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Yup, unfortunately for his opponents who may actually be just as strong or even a little stronger, his natural advantages just takes him above and beyond.

I think all genetic advantages are fine because the original point of competition between two living things is to see which has to better genetics so it the winner will reproduce their genetics. Granted, competitions nowadays are more for fun, and more focused on who trains more, but I don’t think genetics should be considered unfair advantages. Especially since each arm wrestler uses various amounts of PEDs, there really is no fairness in this scenario

@TimmyTurner421

5 ай бұрын

Good point

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

I think the point of sports is to see who is the better one given a specific framework/ruleset. If the genetic advantages causes the game to fundamentally deviate from what it is, then can it really be considered the same sport? For example, imagine someone with a super long forearm that causes it to be impossible to start in the center. What should we do then?

oleg zhokh should not given the advantage of the strap.. the organisers should know this fact

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

A possible solution is to invent a different type of strap, but this will need careful consideration. Thanks for watching and commenting!

My opinion: Oleg needs to be allowed *My argument:* He needs to be allowed, because 1. *Muddy waters:* I think he doesn't actually have a "condition", which measn that you can't write into the rules that people with this condition X can't pull, which would be the easy, so instead you need to create some weird visual and size metrics for who can't and who can pull, which gets really messy and creates unnesessary rules which can rule even people we all would think can pull, out of the game. 2. *Popularity:* having "mutants" in arm wrestling makes it interesting. You know - kind of like a street fighter - you want the fighters to be different, and hence from the popularity perspective, I wouldn't like that we homogenize arm wrestlers. 3. *Basis for new rules:* What is the criteria for not allowing some anatomy to pull? Is it "unfair advantage" which you seem to be arguing for? If it is, then what about - people who just have big hands? Should they be ruled out? Devon, Denis, and Levan would all be ruled out. - people who are extra tall? Should they be ruled out? Devon and Vitaly would be out. - People with king's move elbow (arm that doesn't streghten)? Should they be ruled out? Devon, Denis and Michael would be out. - People with bicep reattachment? Usually this gives extra stregth, since the bicep can be attached little lower. A lot of arm wrestlers would be out form this. *Side note:* Even though I think Oleg should be allowed, I am open to the idea that the rules would be changed so that the above strap needs to be (at the start) in the back of the hand, not on the wrist. However though, I would also like to know does that even matter, since even though the straps do help (by shortening the level arm), you still have hand against hand, so that even though you would have the strap (in a match) near your elbow, if your hand is locked to his hand, that creates a higher level than the strap which prevents you from being able to use the advantage of the strap. Like the situation would be different if Oleg would pull with an open toproll style since then he would be pulling more with the strap, but since he pulls with this hook style, I don't see him gaining that much advantage from the strap placement. Like sure it can give him something, but I think your evaluation of 15 % is based on too simplistic model of what is happening with the hands.

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for your well thought out and comprehensive response! I agree with you that restricting such individuals should not be the idea. Arm wrestling (or any sport for that matter) should be as inclusive as possible. I also agree that if changes should be done, it should be to the rules just to make the start more fair. However, I disagree with you that Oleg’s style doesn’t benefit much from the strap. He is still very much using backpressure as his main driving force instead of sidepressure. As such, the lower strap does indeed assist a lot. On a side note, I’d like to thank you again for such a thoughtful and meaningful comment. This is the type of discussion that I am passionate in creating for the armwrestling community. If more guys are able to think critically and explain their arguments as clearly as you, I think we would move forward greatly as a community.

End of the day, everyone has individual differences and some guys are just built for arm wrestling and some aren’t (me being one of them even though I’m a pretty big dude). It’s a tough pill to swallow but it’s like any other genetic difference and you just have to accept it.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

I initially had the same thoughts too, but it is actually quite common for sports to update their rules when encountered with exceptional circumstances. For example, in basketball, Wilt Chamberlain had the ability to leap from the foul line, which led to the ruling that a free-throw shooter must keep his feet behind the line. Similarly for armwrestling, a similar rule change could be made such that one strap wrap has to be above and one wrap has to be below the wrist for example.

@AgentOfLogos

5 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling That makes sense and maybe we should do that but I'm not sure how many federations or athletes will have the same understanding🤣

Thanks for the information Ongarbaev 👍

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

You’re very welcome 🇰🇿🇰🇿

Denis still flashed him. So... the others are just weak ?

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

I don’t think it’s so much that the others are weak, but that Denis is just freaky strong.

@TimmyTurner421

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, because everyone that couldn't beat Oleg Zhokh like Denis Cyplenkov did is weak.. what kind of low IQ backwards logic is that? Denis Cyplenkov is one of the strongest armwrestlers of all time.

@mikehawk6918

5 ай бұрын

Denis also has a mutated hand, so when they gripped up they basically cancelled each other's mutant advantages.

You get smarter and get stronger 💪🏻

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

👍 wise words brother

Btw I am planning to have that consultation for a program but I’ve been a bit busy. I’ll def send an email 💪

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

No rush brother, all in good time 👊

The sport will grow to new heights with your fresh and intelligent perspectives. Thank you for your awesome videos 🙏

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

You are too kind 🙏 Thank you for your compliments and for watching and supporting the channel! I will continue to do my best to push for higher standards in the armwrestling KZread space.

This is a difficult one. I agree that the abnormality should be addressed but I can say that for everyone that has a short thumb that I have to pull against. It is terrible because I have a large hand. If their thumb is short, I am forced down to their wrist. And it gets worse if they are an inside puller as that puts me right in their power lane. Slippery slope is real but I think we should still talk about it.

@EastsideArmWrestling

2 ай бұрын

Same sentiments here dude. As an athlete, I want as few restrictions as possible when it comes to allowing people to compete, but also i want competition to be as fair as possible within a given ruleset. Difficult line to walk.

Awesome vid

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Thanks piramid! I’m glad you enjoyed the video and I appreciate your support 💪

Good analysis

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Appreciate the kind comment, Josh! Thanks for watching the video 👊

Yeah those who fight him should have the refs giving his opponents a a fairer grip and strap to adjust to where his opponents grip is. If he's not allowing me to rise up in the setup I finna argue with the ref to allow me more purchase not only up but around his pitchers mitt.

@EastsideArmWrestling

2 ай бұрын

Haha, it must be so hard to do so, especially under competition conditions

@ancapgrandscribe9546

2 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling Well if Travis Bagent could do it anyone can, but in this case it’s not just about getting an advantage but just trying to make it as even of a playing field as can be with how much of a grip advantage he has due to his genetics

Finally, someone with an engineer look at why and how Oleg is so strong and have such a advantage over his opponents. This pretty much mean, even if you have same number pronation, back pressure as Oleg, he will have 5-7% advantage over you. Only way to beat him is be 10% stronger than him, be comfortable with grabbing low and hook through bottom 3 fingers like Dadikyan and Alizhan.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Yes, it’s quite scary to think that even with the same amount of strength, Oleg already has maybe 10% advantage automatically 😱 I feel bad for his opponents, haha.

I always asked myself how was Oleg able to start always on top of opponents hands 😅😅, and his wrist is impossible to crack

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Haha, yeah, most of the times he is already at the advantage from the start, it’s so crazy! I was also very impressed by Plamen Dimitrov because he was one of the few guys to toproll and crack Oleg’s hand.

Hello kydrgali ongerbaev

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

🙏 assalamualaikum my friend

@yuvrajsingh9138

4 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling Jai shree Ram🙏

Cool

Very interesting 👀🧐🤌

@camilamarcon1

5 ай бұрын

otchen interessna

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Thanks again for watching man!

Good vid

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

Thank you as always my friend 🙏

Nice explanation....shouldn't be allowed 😂

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Outright banning these types of pullers might not be the right way though. We need some better solutions from the rule makers.

Oleg would never have even become an armwrestler without the abnormalities that he has.

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

I’m sure that even without his abnormal hand, his crazy brachioradialis was also a huge advantage.

Great video.. !

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

Your hand is also something else bro… 🤚

@OravuArm

5 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling thank you sir…

He would greatly benefit from some overall strength training so the rest of his body keeps up with his arm

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

100%

I think this is part of the genetic lotery and you can't make a class for abnormal genetics because everyone is different no matter how much the differences are, thats the beauty of armwrestling, you need to adapt too your adversaries physiques and strenghts, there are still guys with normal hands that can beat Oleg

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

I think certain restrictions may eventually come into play to mitigate such things while still preventing an outright ban. For example, they could theoretically come up with a rule that says one strap wrap has to be above the wrist and one below the wrist at all times or it constitutes a foul. That way, the double strap below the wrist can’t be abused. Another example I could imagine for abnormal genetic that change the game would be a guy with extremely long forearms that prevents setting up in the center of the table. What then?

Hard question. LIke,, even that "podium", raiser for shorter pullers is VERY not fair. If you are a short guy, well, yes, I have a hight advantage, but you have muscle, bulk advantage for sure, shorter guys allways put more muscles easier, after all thats why all mr Olimpia body builders are never 7 feet tall. So, you have that bulk advantage, and you take my hight advantage. How is that fair?

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

Rules have been changed in other sports before cuz of freakish anomalies (e.g. basketball)

@igorsvacic217

4 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling as they shoulč chane in AW. This one for example for sure. And they should be unified, all AW promoitions and tournaments should have same exact rules/equipment (table pads)

Freaky genetics should be allowed. It makes the game interesting and worth watching

@EastsideArmWrestling

3 ай бұрын

👍👍

@Traderberg

3 ай бұрын

Yes cheaters should be allowed

@EastsideArmWrestling

3 ай бұрын

@@Traderberg that’s counterproductive to any sport

You are a such a smart guy

@EastsideArmWrestling

2 ай бұрын

Hi Tiberiu, I don't think I'm really much smarter than others, just have a little more experience than some of the newer guys in the community. I want to share this experience with them so their journey can be faster than mine.

another mf banger

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

Much appreciated brotha 👊 Really glad you liked it!

Buen vídeo una vez más 😊 Quiero dejar mi opinión. Antes que nada, saben porqué se habla de Oleg y su anomalía? Lo han pensado? Porqué es bueno, para mi el número 1 de la historia en brazo izquierdo, libra por libra. Si Oleg fuese un luchador más, uno de la norma digamos, nadie hablaria de su brazo, de su pulgar, de la correa, del músculo, etc... Me equivoco? Y decir que Oleg no es fuerte creó que es un gran error, lo has visto entrenar? Con su mano débil a llegado a levantar 80kg contrapresión y con su mano fuerte 140kg, pocos llegan a levantar esos kg, solo algunos luchadores pesados con Levan. Oleg es el luchador mas fuerte no solo de brazo, sino de mente, piensa en lo que le ocurrió, murio su amigo, padre y el estuvo en coma, volvió a competir contra todo pronóstico y volvió a ser campeón mundial, de ucrania, copa de ucrania... Conoces otro que aya pasado por lo mismo o simolar y vuelva en tan poco tiempo a la cima? El demostro de que está echó. No crees que el punto debería estar en otro lado, como en el doping? No solo en competencia sino en pretenporadas, etc. No crees una ventaja las células madres que se inyecta Devon Larrat? Eso es natural? Oleg nació así y EL volvió su mano izquierda super fuerte, no fue la naturaleza, el no tiene elección no puede elegir, nació así. En cambio Larrat puede elegir ponerce o no celulas madres y Larrat no sufrio un accidente que quebro su brazo en 3 como le paso a Oleg. Oleg deberia ponerce celulas madres para sanar del todo su brazo, no larrat, que solo lo hace para ser más fuerte. Además quizas Oleg no lo pueda pagar y si larrat, entonces no es esto un tipo de ventaja también? Ventaja economica, etc? Levan como creció tanto en tan poco tiempo? natural? Porqué no hacen doping a todos y ahí medimos la fuerza natural, creo que Oleg es natural y ganaria por naturaleza fuerte y no por otra ayuda. Salud amigo Greg

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

Hola amigo, ¡gracias de nuevo por mirar! Creo que necesito dejar esto claro: no creo que Oleg sea débil. Simplemente creo que su mano anormal da la ilusión de que es más fuerte que algunos de sus oponentes. Cuando, en realidad, podrían tener la misma fuerza, o incluso más. Por ejemplo, mire cómo Mikhael Nifontov o Avtandil Tutberidze lograron retenerlo incluso con desventajas de errores. Seguramente deben estar esforzándose mucho más para lograrlo, ¿verdad?

@nahuelfis3253

4 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling Creo que es verdad lo que dices, Oleg tiene en su brazo la fuerza de un muy buen brazo entrenado y ya, pero eso lo tiene en el tope de su clase y aún no está al 100% no a podido alcanzar su prime aún, quizás necesite las famosas células madres? Ninguno de los 2 luchadores han presentado una amenaza real para Oleg, nunca estuvo en duda su victoria, solo un poco más de esfuerzo de lo esperado. Oleg en su pasado a puesto su vara muy alta y eso a mí parecer nos tiene mal acostumbrados y al ver un poco de resistencia de un rival ya tendemos a juzgarlo y a pensar distintas cosas de Oleg o el gran nivel de sus rivales que por cierto lo son. Fíjate que hasta al mismo Travis felicita a Avtandil por haber frenado unos segundos a Oleg, lo cuál indica que nadie espera que un rival pueda frenar a Oleg aunque sea un momento, subestiman un poco a los rivales y al ver a Oleg, ven al de su prime y ese Oleg aún no ha vuelto, pero confío en que volverá debido a su fuerza mental más que nada, ojalá pueda Vitalcell biologic ayudarlo a estar pleno. Salud amigo Greg y a seguir 💪

I don't know about you But my 90 degree thumb 👍 is not helping me in any match.

@EastsideArmWrestling

Ай бұрын

It’s also the location of the thumb on the hand itself!

Oleg should be allowed to compete. Deformities like that are so rare that it's practically a non-issue. The only other people I can think of with similar abnormalities are Jeff Dabe and Matthias Schlitte. Those guys are good but not elite. And this also doesn't acknowledge that Oleg's condition doesn't automatically make him win. He has taken losses even in his own weight class, so if his advantage was so great it was unfair, we would not see that. I do think you are underestimating his actual muscular and structural strength. His lifts on arm wrestling movements were elite. If a super heavyweight grabs my forearm and not even my hand, they will still beat me, leverage disadvantage or not. You need the raw strength to compete.

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

For sure I recognize the strength that he already has even without his abnormal hand. I’m just saying that it affords him advantages that place him far above someone else who would otherwise be at the same strength level as him (or even slightly higher). My main contention is where physical anomalies result in the changing of the game fundamentally. How far do we have to veer from conventional arm wrestling before we draw the line?

You look like asian Ongarbaev

@EastsideArmWrestling

3 ай бұрын

🤣🤣 thanks man, I can’t believe how many comments I get about this, haha

@adnan7698

3 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling That's hilarious 😂 Great videos btw

@EastsideArmWrestling

3 ай бұрын

@@adnan7698 thanks man! So happy you enjoy the vids 😄

автор видео чем то на Кадыргали Онгарбаева похож

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

😅 Мой давно потерянный брат

3:11, halfway down your forearm? How does that make any sense? The bicep tendon attaches very clearly 5-7cm from your elbow, it's not that difficult to figure out.

@EastsideArmWrestling

3 ай бұрын

You do know that the bicep is not the main elbow flexor right?

Oleg Zhokh real 11 times CHAMPION! You your bedroom champion))))

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

💦💦💦bedroom champion is correct

I stand with Oleg🦾

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

✊ oleg is awesome 🇺🇦

@Mario-Armfight-Germany

5 ай бұрын

@EastsideArmWrestling i appreciate your analysis though,great analysis 👍

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

@@Mario-Armfight-Germany thanks man, I just thought that this was an interesting, but also important topic to touch on. It is also one that I don’t have many answers to yet, which is why I wanted to share these ideas and get the conversation going with the community.

My goodness, not everything is about math or science, some people are just born genectily strong. Omg 😂.

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

I'm sorry you didn't take away anything useful from this video. Some people prefer to not think about how things work and that's completely fine. Keep loving the sport.👍

Ummm yeah he his but obviously ud beat him 😂

@EastsideArmWrestling

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching the video! I’m sorry that you weren’t able to take away anything useful from it. The point of the video wasn’t to show whether I could beat Oleg or not, but rather to showcase his abnormal advantages and bring up a question about the rules.

U sound butthurt😂

@EastsideArmWrestling

2 ай бұрын

I’m sorry you feel that way. Probably means you didn’t get anything useful out of this video.

@Andron-007

2 ай бұрын

@@EastsideArmWrestling I am sorry u feel that way))

Wow i actually didn’t realize that before for real…. Ur are so right wtf thet thumb position..🫨🫨 And the strap .. wow such a good point 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 i always thought he is just crazy strong… he is but not as we all thought… Every arm wrestling fan and pro should watch this

@EastsideArmWrestling

5 ай бұрын

For sure he is crazy strong, but also thanks to these special advantages, he seems *more* strong than reality. In reality, maybe some of his opponents are just as strong or even stronger. But thanks to the 10% automatic advantage he has, usually it is just too much for them.