Wound ballistics always fascinates me. A friend made a comment one time that as a lad he and his brother were watching a 1950's Western. His dad and uncles who were WWII combat vets sat down to watch, but began howling when the hero got shot in the shoulder and kept on going. According to them that was one of the most incapacitating wounds you could have, affecting balance and mobility, and risking an artery, much as you showed.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Very brutal!

@dennislloyd494

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention nerve damage. The shoulder is a complex joint.

@jic1

Жыл бұрын

There was an episode of _Spencer: For Hire_ where he got shot in the shoulder with a .223, and I remember the focus of that episode being how dangerous and debilitating the injury was, and how long and difficult the recovery process was.

@Thoroughly_Wet

Жыл бұрын

Never have been shot in the shoulder, but I've shot a small handful of deer that managed to hit a shoulder blade. The blade breaks like a dinner plate and the entire leg just folds under the weight. Same would go for people id assume. rather than crumpling under weight you just lose use of an arm, and as you regaled, loss of balance because your arm can't swing predictably.

@LionquestFitness

Жыл бұрын

@@Thoroughly_Wet Sounds like a good assumption to me.

When a peace officer years ago I was in a shooting with a robbery suspect. No cover, and we shot it out at 60ft. His second shot hit me in the sam brown belt, fragmenting upon entering me. It was a soft lead Remington 158gr round nose bullet. The suspect took two centered 357Mag 125 JHP in the chest. He was dead when he hit the ground. I was so pumped full of adrenaline I had to be reminded by my Sgt. I was hit. The bullet's main body was removed in surgery, however, a few years later 5 fragments had remained causing a second surgery. The pancreas was damaged leaving it at 50% function. Today, I have diabetes as the result, and digestive issues as well. I was told that damage took 10 years off the backside of my life. And that ridding a horse the next day is Hollywood BS. I was 28 at the time and in my prime. Was down for three weeks, and did desk duty for a month before I was released by the doctor for full service on the street. Being gutshot is no laughing matter. There's a 5" scar about 1" below and beginning 2" right of the navel from the second surgery. They gutted me like an elk. Well, that's my experiences with personal gunshot wounds. Hope none of y'all ever have to go through this sotra thing.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing, and sorry you went through it. BUT WHAT A STORY TO TELL!

@victorwaddell6530

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your service .

@anangryranger

Жыл бұрын

Well, it was odd that I did almost three tours in Vietnam, and never injured. Come home and got shot by an American. But, I was a third generation peace officer. It was a way of life. The people who lived and worked on my beat were my people. If someone wanted to harm them, I'd do my best to stop 'em.

@ffjsb

Жыл бұрын

I had abdominal surgery and had to take 6 weeks off. I have a couple of scars, but at least I don't have any lasting health issues because of it. I can't imagine getting shot.

@danayen4806

Жыл бұрын

Sorry that happen to you and thank you for your service. God bless you for all you did for us.

It's 4 am where I live, forget sleep, I'd watch Arizona Ghostriders all day.

@joshuabarnett3639

Жыл бұрын

Wow

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Cool!!

Good Saturday Morning Santee. Thank you again for another look at the old west. Pew, pew

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Morning!

Saturday morning adventures. Arbuckles and Ghostriders. Pew Pew Pew

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Having been the recipient of projectiles on more than one occasion, I can't fathom the danger of infection prior to modern antibiotics and disinfectant in that era.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Ugh!! Sorry you went through that!

@dennisyoung4631

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely. None of that stuff is fun. It all hurts. If it’s bad enough, it can change your life permanently. Even the minor instances can mess with your head - they did mine - and almost all of that stuff leaves scars or keloids. I have some of *those* as well. (Looks at left hand.)

And I always thought get the victim drunk and bite on a bullet thing. Great job Santee. Just brings the point home small injuries could be catastrophic.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yup!

@greghardy1137

Жыл бұрын

"Doc, I'm soberin' up, shoot me again!"

@jtoland2333

6 ай бұрын

I don't know if biting the bullet was a thing in the 1800s, but I know it happened during the Revolutionary War. I visited Fort Ticonderoga, and saw an actual bullet used for that purpose. It looked like a piece of chewing gum. Brutal.

Another great episode! Dr. Goodfellow is regarded by many as a founding father of modern trauma surgery. Thousands, if not million, of lives have been saved over the years because of his work.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

He also wrote a paper about silk being a possible material to stop bullets.

@robertbuckey6517

Жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaGhostriders interesting. I'll have to check that out. I know the Mongols wore silk shirts so that arrows would be easier to remove.

I lost track of the number of times Festus got shot clean through the shoulder on Gunsmoke. Doc was a genius indeed. Maybe a bit supernatural... Best of Days to all the Ghostriders.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

@CaliforniaFly

Жыл бұрын

Festus was as tough as the mule he rode an dad gummit and twice as stubborn ta boot. Ken Curtis was a tough act to follow. He and Doc made the show.

@jacktribble5253

Жыл бұрын

@@CaliforniaFly Sure enough. That show was a chunk of my childhood. I felt like every character was a friend of mine, minus the bad guys of course. No doubt it influenced my life.

@jakeroberts7435

Жыл бұрын

Ah, just mere flesh wounds. 😰

@dickJohnsonpeter

Жыл бұрын

Kind of like the dozen or so times Richard Sharpe got shot with a frickin' musket ball and not only lived but never took more than half a day to heal lol. Though maybe he was just too distracted by all his sword wounds to notice.

Great vid partner , love the Gunsmoke clips! My fave tv show. Been a Western fan all my life and the appeal of the old West if anything has strengthened over the years . Never been to America and now I'm in the twilight of my years I probably never will , but I carry the dusty plain in my heart. Riding the endless miles of prairie on an old paint with a six shooter on my hip , the unbroken horizon shimmering in the heat seems like the pinnacle of human endeavour. Really , we should have stopped there , it's all been rubbish since!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting.

@kirbyculp3449

Жыл бұрын

Visit if you can.

@glenn6583

Жыл бұрын

Happy Trails to you, Sir. Perhaps we will meet at the last round up!🤠

Leg shots are another one that seems to be considered safe by Hollywood, even though the leg is chock full of things that you just don't want to have a bullet in. I've never been shot, but I've been stabbed in the inner thigh near the groin. The doctor and surgeon both kept telling me how lucky I was to have survived because the blade was only an inch or so away from some pretty vital stuff on either side of it. Anyways, thanks for another great video!!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Daniel! Stabbed!! Ugh!

@danielthompson6207

Жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaGhostriders I wouldn't recommend it, and I don't know if I'm more thankful that the blade missed an artery or that it didn't nick the family jewels!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

@@danielthompson6207 Yeah, either way....you did ok!

@568843daw

Жыл бұрын

I love you videos.

@mikegrossberg8624

Жыл бұрын

The femoral artery runs along the inside of the thigh, near enough to the surface that you can even get a pulse reading from it. Nick THAT, and the subject is dead in less than thirty seconds

I’ve often wondered why Hollywood chose the shoulder area. It’s a visual thing for the masses. Thank you Santee for another awesome video. I hope your recovery is speedy.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Very welcome

@Doug_M

Жыл бұрын

And the shoot 'em in the leg nonsense. If a person were to be hit in the femoral artery, they would bleed out in seconds.

@scottdoesntmatter4409

Жыл бұрын

You know, I read that the only safe place to be shot is in the butt. Kid you not!

@TwoWeekCowboy

Жыл бұрын

I just cringe when I see so many "speedy GSW recoveries", too. Or the shots in the leg...or shooting guns out of people's hands (on purpose, of course)...or the notion that a gut shot renders the person instantly dead...or idea that good guys had to always fire away needlessly at fleeing outlaws on horseback while all shots sailed harmlessly into space....or that you had to take your shoulder off the stock of a lever action rifle every time to lever up the next round...or the idea that serious-hero good guys could make perfect heart shots on all would-be killers point-shooting from the hip...(not even Thell Reed could do that, and he was a sixgun expert)...or that Rory Calhoun's Bill Longley on The Texan could hip shoot a moving villain 65+ yards away.....or that so many .45 slugs couldn't penetrate the spine or chest cavity and needed somebody to dig them out but they could penetrate walls bad guys hid behind....or the Gunsmoke episode where Matt tells Chester that a .44 slug bores straight through while a .45 flattens when it hits...I could go on and on.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

@@TwoWeekCowboy Yeah. I cringe when I hear calibers than never existed. "How many .45-40s do you have left?"

Glad you showed clips from "Gunless" a great and fun movie.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

What an intriguing subject! Just some random events I've found interesting: -A man accidentally shot himself with a shot gun in 19th century, opening a wound to stomach. Physician closed wound in manner that allowed him to re-open and study function of stomach. He published his observations and it changed medical concepts of digestion. - A 'sniff' test, was given to abdominal wounds to determine if intestine was punctured. A punctured intestine would often result in peritonitis (infection of abdomen) commonly resulting in fever and lingering painful death. I actually saw one cowboy movie referencing this. -Almost all gunshot wounds don't always result in instant death as movies often portray, and wounded adversary extremely dangerous. While recipient of bullet could live a few seconds to hours, even days. Only a direct hit to brain stem would cause instantaneous death. Recall a few years ago when two year old strayed into gorilla cage and police sharp shooter had to make an instantaneous death shot to keep gorilla from possibly crushing child. -"Shot in leg wounds" ok since non-fatal, not only a cowboy movie myth but also movies and TV in general. A puncture of leg, especially at the femoral artery and bullet recipient can literally bleed to death within minutes. -'Shoot to wound" obviously another movie myth. -Not a gunshot thing per se, but in 19th Century as now, laws quite clear, pointing a weapon at someone was 'assault with a deadly weapon', displaying a weapon to intimidate was considered 'brandishing', killing someone in a 'consentual' fight (or 'duel') was considered 'manslaughter'. I've read numerous accounts in old newspapers of that era of arrests and convictions for such activity that taken far more seriously then than now in places like New York City, St. Louis, Los Angeles etc. with their more pro-criminal politics. Many cowboy movies as well as contemporary shows, perpetuate pointing guns or brandishing with a person finding out in real life that cops will arrest and courts will convict. There are plenty of attorneys on YT sites that can cover this topic. Anyway, as always, enjoyed video. Came across a book describing individual recounts of mid to late 19th Century. Lots of things described including accounts of auctions, which seemed to be quite the civic social event with food, speakers etc for the numeous people that gathered. Old West auctions of 19th Century might be a topic. (BTW: If you want more info on book I can provide it, I think you'd find it's recollections of daily life of era interesting.)

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yep, there's some pretty interesting accounts out there.

@phillipbampton911

Жыл бұрын

Known the first point since high school (AKA a looooong time ago). I can't recall the names but it was actually recounted in our biology textbook. Both surgeon's and victim's names were given. What your brain can present to you after 50 odd years.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

@@phillipbampton911 That's pretty neat. I find myself looking feverishly for those names half the time.

@mikegrossberg8624

Жыл бұрын

Back in the Middle Ages, if a man was still alive after a belly wound, he would be given a strong onion soup to drink. If they could smell onions near his belly, they knew the stomach was perforated, and the "patient" didn't stand a chance

Loved the old westerns on tv . Always thought the heros recovered mighty fast from gun shots. Really enjoy your videos they are so well put together and love the sense of humour. Keep Safe ❤Keep Well ❤

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

@robertkarp2070

Жыл бұрын

Well they had to. There was still 45 minutes left in the script to get things done so they didn't have time to stop and bleed. Besides there's nothing that says they didn't die after rolling the closing credits.

@mcwatersd

Жыл бұрын

@@robertkarp2070 only the next installment when they reappeared LOL

Great info!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Glad you think so!

I hear there's this old myth that a Colt 45 revolver can go off inexplicably, but in reality, the trigger has to be pulled. Oops, somebody named Alec is trying to find my location....

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Right? I wish Mr. Baldwin had just kept his mouth shut and not blamed the firearm. Oh well...in the past now.

Finally someone educates non gun people on real life. I told my kids and girlfriends kids old Slim got hit in the shoulder and was up and around the next day with his arm in a sling. Told them Slim would be lucky if he didn't bleed out or have his arm amputated if he survived at all. To make my point took a milk jug of water and hit it with a 12ga slug, yup-blowing the head off wasn't an exaggeration.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@TwoWeekCowboy

Жыл бұрын

Are you talking about Slim Sherman on Laramie...or just some "Slim" in the Old West? Either way, you are right. The notion that shots to wound are like "remote control punches" is pure BS. Sadly, people have believed in shooting to wound ("I'll just wing him") and it got them in huge trouble. Shooting to stop a person who intends deadly harm is the only legal and moral way.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

@@TwoWeekCowboy "I don't like the idea of bein' shot in the hand." - Blackie from Rustler's Rhapsody

@jeffw1246

Жыл бұрын

@@TwoWeekCowboy just a generic slim. But I know the show well, been playing as regular series on GRIT TV locally. All the westerns and movies. Clint Eastwood 3 coffins scene never gets old, or the good piece of hicory.

Not only was this interesting and informative, you are completely delightful. So glad to have stumbled across your channel!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

"I got a better idea." Famous last words! 😆

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Another excellent video, Santee! My ancestor recounted post civil soldiers walking around with bullet inside them, and bullets coming out once the body is healed sometime later. What gets me in the movies is how chatty the people are when the bullet is removed. He wrote while doing odd chores in town to earn some coins, sulphur ether was used frequently in surgery, as most men carry guns and the doctor didn't want to get shot. But since bullet wounds weren't common, most of the time, teeth pulling, loaded cart running over a man's foot amputation, ingrown toe nails were the most common. But what really got the doctor nose was the body order of his patients. Another matter was the doctor wasn't chatty either. Anyways, excellent video Santee.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, Jason!

The hero being shot can be part of the plot and sometimes a subplot, but Hollywood & TV producers knew that audiences would accept the painful but non-lethal gunshot wound for the main character while supporting characters died in an Old West story where almost everyone's carrying guns of some sort. It's that action and gunplay the audiences saw that made it a hit. The formula was even used & found in Star Trek, a displaced western, when you saw the guy in the red tunic, you knew he was gonna die while Bones would use his special gadgets to save the main characters.

@mpetersen6

Жыл бұрын

The red shirt non recurring characters

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yup!

@mpetersen6

Жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaGhostriders Only the thing is with Star Trek (1) is the main characters that wore red that never got bumped off. Scotty, Uhuru, the female yoeman in the first season........... 1) Pitched to the networks as Wagon Train in space.

@stevenscott2136

Жыл бұрын

@@mpetersen6 Two things were responsible for all those dead Starfleet security men. One was Kirk's insistence on the "stun" setting, which often just tickled various non-human creatures, and the other was that all those guys were dumber than a sack of dilithium crystals.

@mpetersen6

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenscott2136 No. Dumber than a sack without any dilithium crystals. The reason dilithium crystals are so rare is because Elon Musk used 'em up.

Great video Santee

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the visit

My great grandfather was a country doctor. They typically only had 1-2 years of education and yet they were pretty knowledgeable about the maladies country folks often suffered with. Shootings happened but not nearly as often as portrayed in the movie and most died before they ever saw a saw bones

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Sad.

Thanks for the clips from Gunless, a riot of a movie shot (no pun intended) nearish my home in the BC interior

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

One of my all time favorites. Everyone was so good in it.

Lets get this channel to 100k in 2023! Its well deserved for and your hard work Santee!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yes please!

Hey Santee, always enjoy your videos. I didn’t hear you mention this and read several comments and didn’t see anyone talk about the idea that a lot of infection came from those large, comparatively slow moving hunks of lead pulling filth into the would. Since bathing and clean clothes were not a regular thing hunks of dirt and filthy clothing will get pushed into the would and disbursed making it virtually impossible to clean out. Personally I suffered a puncture wound on my foot during a hunting trip several years ago and even with modern medical treatment and antibiotics I almost lost my leg and still suffer from having lost a lot of muscle tissue which died from the infection, also suffered nerve damage. My permanent limp is now part of my cowboy action shooting persona. See you on down the trail pard!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I didn't mention bits of clothing and other stuff entering the wound. By and large, just sticking a finger in the wound would do as much damage if it wasn't clean.

@notfeedynotlazy

Жыл бұрын

So big a part of the perceived dangers of being shot was the risk of infection, that during the US-Spain war, where the Spanish army rifles used brass-jacketed ammo (which was then a new technology, virtually unknown in the Americas), there was the actual belief by the US army brass that the brass' purpose was for the verdigris to cause infections. (brass pun unintended but welcome)

I would love to see a dramatic Western series based around Dr Goodfellow. Gila monsters and all.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that would be amazing.

Santee, once again, thanks for the FANtastic visuals and videos to correlate with that gruesome subject. YIKES, I guess that we shouldn't complain about a doctor's visit today. 👏🙏🏼👏😳

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

HAAHAHH! I should say not.

“I LIKE IKE” on Pres. Garfield was TOO FUNNY!!! Thanks for yet another classic!!!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

YAY! Someone noticed. I've been waiting for someone to see that.

Great video, Santee, as always! And I like the Van Dyke, it looks great on you! I always got a kick out of a gunshot victim saying "It's only a flesh wound." I can't imagine it would be that easy to ignore!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

HAHAH!

There are a lot of unrealistic things in movies, healing faster than mosquito bites from bullet shots is one of them.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

LOL!

When I was a kid...60's...my older brother and his friends were fooling with someone's dad's 'Derringer'. Well, it went off in my brother's hand and took a big piece of meat (no bone) off one of his fingers. He didn't tell anyone for a few days...we'll the finger became infected. He didn't lose any function I'm aware of, but the doctor left it open to heal from the inside out. He had to soak it several times daily until it healed. Way I figure it, between the bullet ripping his finger up and the flash burn from the powder it must've been painful. As I recall, it quieted him down for a while. Oh, my dad had a way of looking at you so you know just how much of a fool you were. All us kids got that look at one time or another. I'm sure my brother got one for this stunt. I guess there's a reason dad kept his guns at my uncles when we were young.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Wow. Good thing he didn't lose it.

@slypperyfox

Жыл бұрын

There are two scenarios where we don’t suture wounds: when the wound is close to 48 hours old and when there is obvious (or suspected) infection present. Also, re bullet wounds - we don’t always remove projectiles. Only remove them when there is concern about injury to major tissues, organs or vessels in the area. The body typically surrounds the foreign body with granulation tissue which walls it off from surrounding healthy structures. Once granulated, not uncommon for the body to push the foreign body to the surface skin - as mentioned by several people in their comments.

It's a miracle someone could be shot maltiple times and servive,case in point,Hank vauhan at his autopsy had 13 bullet wounds.he finely died when his horse fell on him.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

It's hard to believe in some cases.

Hey Santee! This channels helps me relax more than any other! Something about the humor and the history just is the best. It's the only channel i find myself rewatching videos on multiple times! Hope you and eveyone who helps makes these videos are having an amazing day!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

Damn man how are you great on timing I was just looking at your playlist for videos and you upload a new video and especially about action and violence im gonna enjoy this video myth vs reality is my favourite topic

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

@chrissewell1608

Жыл бұрын

Myth vs. Reality: Old "Rex" lived a little longer, than most people were aware of! And that is why the buffalo were almost wipped out! Yummo

@TypicalIndian1981

Жыл бұрын

@@chrissewell1608 old Rex has eaten all the buffalos but the pathetic human beings takes credit for it and they were also wiped out

There are many channels I watch, learn and then mostly stop watching...this channel is one I always watch when new content comes out, it never gets old...love it! And while I'm more than a half century of age, I am still enamored with all things old west...actually more so now than in a long time. Keep up the good work!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

My favorite line is, "it's only a fleash wound" or, "the bullet just grazed me"

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

Wa-a-ay back in the 70s, I remember the great folk singer Derroll Adams telling our folk club in England he thought Guiteau must have been trying to blow President Garfield's brains out.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

HA!

I've always amazed at how old western movies and TV westerns trivialized bullet wounds. As you note, a bullet in the shoulder/arm/leg/hand, was not lethal. A frequently heard comment was "the bullet passed clean through and missed the bone". You'll be OK in a day or two. The gunshot victim places his hand over the wound, often with a cloth/bandage, and soon recovers. I think Marshal Dillon was shot at least 100 times, none of which proved fatal. Hands, legs, stomach, shoulders, back , et al. He had remarkable powers of recuperation - due in no small part to Doc Adams' amazing surgical skills. I guess, even in the mythical world of movie/TV westerns, a bullet through the brain was considered fatal. Looks at the multiple bullet wounds Clint Eastwood suffered in "Hang 'Em High" - literally shot to pieces - and survived with no side effects.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

I forgot about hang 'em high!

Another great video! It just seems I started to watch it and it was over . Looking forward to the next one. 🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Is it me or is Old dirty Dan sheddin some of his Tallow? I swear he used to be as big as a buffalo, he's looking swifter than a gant antelope everyday.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Well, you sure like wild game, don'tchya?

I watched Gunsmoke as a six year old kid. Marshall Dillon got shot in the arm or leg every single week. He always said" it's just a flesh wound, Doc".

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Man had some strong flesh.

Great as Always !!!!!

@ArizonaGhostriders

3 ай бұрын

🤠

I just discovered your channel. Great info and I love your humorous vfx!

Wow so informative and interesting. Thank you for another great video Santee!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome, JJ.

Pretty sure a Dentist named Holiday was the best known doc in Tombstone

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Ahhh, but by then he was only a doctor of triggernometry.

@DENVEROUTDOORMAN

Жыл бұрын

He trained to be a dentist and not a good one

There's a wall in St Mary's on the west side of Tucson decorated with historical photos. One is from the late 1800's of the hospital surgeon who also specialized in abdominal gunshot wounds, too (per the photo description).

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

I'll check on it. Might have been Goodfellow. He treated a peer in Tucson who was shot. Unfortunately, he didn't get here on time....

@davidnagore725

Жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaGhostriders Maybe. Can't recall the name.

I was a surgical technician for 45 years. I worked in hospitals across the country as a traveler. I've worked on many gunshot wounds and infections. Gunshots are not pretty and the blood loss keeps you weak for months. Infections smell hits you in the face like a punch. Anesthesiologists keep smelly stuff to put on your mast so you don't puke. And this is in a clean sterile environment where the air in the room is recycled every 10 minuets. At least those guys were out side.😃

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Wow, I appreciate you helped so many folks, but you're making an excellent point about the recovery time as well.

@tomservo5347

Жыл бұрын

I read a book 'Gangrene and Glory' about Civil War medicine. The doctor that wrote it said visiting a Civil War hospital would be like returning home from a vacation after a couple of weeks and your freezer quit working. As you walked toward the hospital an unpleasant smell would become stronger and stronger-the literal smell of rotting meat. However, the war revolutionized American medicine with several doctors getting quite close to germ theory, establishing triage and the study of nerve injuries.

@susanmccormick6022

Жыл бұрын

@@tomservo5347 So good can come out of bad.

Enjoyed that. Movies seem to have shaped so many misperceptions. Good one 👍 🤠

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Thank you so much Santee, I just love your video editing. You are amazing. Happy New Year.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Same to you! Much appreciated.

i always thought that amputation out west was dependent upon hitting bone or not: if it hit bone then there’s shrapnel everywhere and no way to repair it, it’s just way too jagged. it’s not a clean break, so only way to save the life is to amputate. if it hits flesh it can be removed but you’re hurt for weeks if not months- maybe the rest if your life if it hit a ligament or tendon that needs surgery to repair

@ArizonaGhostriders

Ай бұрын

Those bullets (especially the big calibers) flattened out and did an incredible amount of tissue damage. They were so worried about infection that removing the whole limb was quicker and easier. If a doctor was a skilled surgeon, you had a better chance (if no bone was broken) of saving that limb.

Great video and excellent information. Thanks Santee!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

A decade ago while on duty I was shot at point blank range with a 9mm. The bullet hit my vest stopping the bullet , but I pissed blood for the better part of a month since it impacted by my spleen. Hurt like Hell too.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Sheesh!! Amazing how Hollywood thinks you just walk away with a bullet proof vest

Another story I heard about Garfield's assassination was that the new X-Ray machine was new and close by and would have helped the doctors locate the bullet in him instead of probing with dirty fingers and intraments. Remember, back then, doctors washed their hands after surgery not before.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

They did use it, but to no effect. Doctors like Lister and those who understood antiseptics and cleanliness DID wash their hands and sterilize stuff back then.

Wow! Great video!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@fordenginebuildersv8power184

Жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaGhostriders always do !

Excellent video, as always. Thank you!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Another good one pard. I hope this New Year brings out great country together again. I ride for the brand. Nothing but respect for you guys.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

Another interesting and informative video. Thanks as always my friend.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

A grim subject made amusing by your insight. I read an account of an army surgeon on the frontier, regarding arrow wounds: he noted that the sinew and ligement used to fasten the stone arrowhead to the shaft began to soften when imbedded in a victim & usually separated head from shaft when any force was applied to the shaft. Many that were so wounded carried the arrowhead for life.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Dang, sure didn't know that! Thanks.

@johnmullholand2044

Жыл бұрын

In the miniseries "Centennial", Robert Conrad's character, Pasquinel, was wounded with an Indian arrow. He carried the arrowhead in his back for years before a doctor could remove it. (The character, not the actor, LOL)

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmullholand2044 I imagine that was not that unusual.

@utej.k.bemsel4777

Жыл бұрын

I've read that the natives had two kinds of arrows: one for hunting which were reusable, the tip was fastened with plant material. And the ones for war: tips with barbs , fasted so that they stuck into the wound and became disattached from the shaft. Besides they were often poisoned with rotten flesh or snake poison.

It was my understanding that infections resulting from gunshot wounds and other injuries were much more likely to kill a person than the original wound back in the day. Sterilization of utensils used, antiseptics and of course antibiotics were either totally unavailable or largely unknown.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Nope, it was studied and practiced since the 1860s. Just not by every doctor. Some, like Garfield's, didn't buy into the idea of antiseptics.

Never long enough. Need more details. :) Thank you and have a good day.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Could you pay me to leave my day job? Then I could make longer videos!😎

Dr George Goodfellow needs an episode of his own. Better yet a documentary. A doctor well ahead of his time.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely.

@Idahoguy10157

Жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaGhostriders …. Imagine the PTSD he carried from the civil war on

Thanks for another great episode!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

I am happy AND pissed. Happy to see this in my feed, pissed that the YT algorithm hasn't shown me your great content for months. MONTHS! I had to check back to your channel, and there it all is. Why didn't I, a subscriber, see any of it??? ANYhoo... thanks for making this. Now I have to go binge-watch. Fortunately, it's the weekend, I am single, and ain't nobody to tell me no.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

HAHAH! enjoy.

One of your best.

@ArizonaGhostriders

3 ай бұрын

Thank You!

In the case of the Garfield assassination, death was largely the result of their not being able to locate the bullet. Alexander Graham Bell, of telephone fame, had in fact invented an early electronic metal detector that was used and, in all likelihood, would have worked had Garfield's bed not been fitted with one of the first metal box springs. This badly interfered with Bell's device but, not being aware of the box spring, Bell failed to understand why the device wasn't working properly. He discovered the problem a few days later but Garfield died before he could make another attempt.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

The autopsy discovered revealed pneumonia in both lungs and a body that was filled with pus due to uncontrolled sepsis.

Thanks for the great new video. Very cool topic. Be safe out there, and take it easy man.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Back then they were also beginning to develop better pain treatment for the victim. During the Civil War, most analgesics were just laudnum which is opium tincture with alcohol. But in the 1870's, morphine was more widely used. This was a godsend for people with horrific injuries.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yup. Good ol' poppy plant.

@MomentsInTrading

Жыл бұрын

I do not think this is correct. Morphine was used a lot during the Civil War.

@RicArmstrong

Жыл бұрын

@@MomentsInTrading Morphine was used sparingly during the Civil War. Mostly reserved for very serious injuries and also used for officers injured on the battlefield. I used the 1870's because that's when the drug was more wildly available to the public. During the Civil War, Morphine was a new cutting edge medication and not all Civil War doctors carried it in their medical kit.

@gijoe508

Жыл бұрын

Chloroform was used a lot in the civil war, battle of Gettysburg podcast did a whole episode on civil war medicine

@utej.k.bemsel4777

Жыл бұрын

Well in case of a gunshot i can't talk about. But i had a trimalleolar ankle frakture weber C, the frakture was very painful in itself, but after the surgery and the spinal anaestasia wearing off the pain started to get really nasty. I begged for some pain relief, but they treated me only with ibuprofen which helped nothing at all. And from ibu i got a bad stomach ache too... Two years later i had an hysterektomie by laparoscopie, but the pain wasn't so bad like i thought. And after about a day i had to walk around. After two weeks at home i could work again. Still i'm glad that i live today with painkillers, vaccinations an antibiotics. I wonder what they did back then with the "special needs" of their patients. And what about decubitus?

Really interesting & informative! 🤠

@ArizonaGhostriders

10 ай бұрын

Glad you think so!

Great bit of history. Thanks for sharing

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

Good episode I’ll watch you tonight on the 11 bang bang channel

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You! See you then.

4:56 I wholeheartedly agree. Hollywood westerns give an extremely distorted view of history.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes they get it right. Typically, those aren't the blockbusters though.

An other video well done. Thanks. The show "Dual Survival" did a demo of how well cauterizing a wound with gunpowder works. One partner cut himself with a knife they alledgely "sterilized". After that they applied gunpowder and tried to light it. They had difficulties to light it as fluids seeping from the wound got the powder wet (gunpowder is about 75% salpeter and draws fluids fast). The wound still got infected. Considering that the cut was fairly shallow and barely bleeding, I´d guess that a deep, bleeding gunshot wound cannot be cauterized that way in the first place.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

I saw that!! Burnt powder leaves residue, you could see it in his wound. Foreign matter like that can't be great for that.

Went to a re-enactor seminar,a real life Dr. that played a period Dr. explained that some of the wounds back then would be challenging even to modern medicine . Still enjoy some of the old westerns sometimes though . Great video !

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@susanmccormick6022

Жыл бұрын

Reenacting seminar would've been v interesting as I do Civil War UK & USA.

Thanks again Santee & Co.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

You are welcome, Victor. Thanks for watching.

As a hunter I can attest to the nasty nature of bullet wounds caused by soft lead projectiles. A 54 caliber soft lead conical of around 400 grains causes absolute havoc, especially when it hits bone

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yep!

@jordanhicks5131

Жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaGhostriders the Mutter museum in Philadelphia has an excellent collection of gunshot wounds from the civil war, I would assume they would be pretty representative of the wound effects of the old west as well

Otro interesante informe como siempre Mr.Santee. Agradecido desde ya por el video..... Y le deseamos una pronta recuperación de su "accidente ".🏥🔫👍😀

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Muchas gracias!

It’s been theorized that Lincoln might have survived being shot in the head but several doctors poked their fingers in the wound trying to find the bullet.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm....

@HarryPrimate

Жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaGhostriders the article that I read several years ago concluded that if he had survived he would most likely suffer brain damage but, it was very likely that contaminated caused by unwashed fingers poking into his brain resulted in the infection and fever which preceded his death.

I love this channel you use certain movie scenes to explain history

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

That was a topic i had to research for a fanfiction i write. It got me to believe that one better isn't on the receiving end of a gun no matter where it hits you! Please make some about arrow wounds too!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Will do.

I remember reading somewhere that an 1800s gunshot to the trunk usually was fatal due to wound or infection, and that a gunshot to an extremity likely would have that extremity amputated. "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" shows a ton of Civil War soldiers without arms, without legs, to get this point across, great anti-war film. Even the guy shot by Tuco in the beginning lost his arm from being shot.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

If the bullet hit a bone and shattered it they likely amputated.

Remarkable how you take such a dangerous and painful subject such as gunshot wounds and Monty Python it

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

LOL!

OK Santee, how the heck do you come up with the topics. You got me stomped. HAHAHA. Love it. 👍👍👍👍

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Bourbon.

Loved it!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

I love your show alot its very fun to see the truth of. The west

@ArizonaGhostriders

3 ай бұрын

Thank You!

Speaking of movie myths, every time I see a person hit by a bullet that sends that person flying though the wall behind them I literally have to turn it off. Can't even watch it after that.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

No? C'mon, that's the fun part!

Nice video. Now do one on why don't the hats of cowboys ever fall off? They can fall from a horse, go off a 20 foot cliff, get in a big fight, hat still on. How? Why?

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Industrial staples.🤣

@jack002tuber

Жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaGhostriders Superglue

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

@@jack002tuber Yeah!

Very interesting video. Really learned something.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Great video Santee, My wife and I always laugh when we're watching a Western ( or other movie ) and they say " It was a through and through, he'll live.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Right?

@TwoWeekCowboy

Жыл бұрын

Or "It didn't break a bone"

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

@@TwoWeekCowboy YEAH!

My personal favorite movie gunshot wound is when one of the good guys gets shot in the shoulder, then the hero declares, "It went all the way through. You'll be all right." And to the hero's credit, they always are, after all, passing through the bones, tissue, ligaments, veins, arteries, cartilage and what not is not a problem as long as the bullet doesn't hang around.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

HAHAH! Yep

Cheers

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

👍🏻

Santee!!! A huge congratulations to the channel for hitting g100K subs!!!

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!!

One thing that bothered me worse than gun wounds healing too quickly was when a movie set in 1868 has 1873 rifles and revolvers in it.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that is a fun one, too, eh?

Very entertaining. Can't believed I learned so much.

If anyone has ever had rotator cuff surgery, you know how much your arm is incapacitated and that's after the doc fixed it.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Great point

@arthurbrumagem3844

Жыл бұрын

I’m in line for such surgery. Thanks for that uplifting future I have 😂😂😂😂

Recent ballistic testing on simulated human torso shows that those old slugs and round balls expanded and did so really nasty things to those old dudes .

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

Unfortunately these skills will always be in demand. Great video my friend.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

This episode makes all my old injuries and hurty places suffer from sympathy pains 😁

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, right?

What always gets me about westerns is the idea that a bullet either causes instant death or causes a wound that fully heals in a couple of days.

@ArizonaGhostriders

Жыл бұрын

Right? Not just westerns. Pretty much every action movie made since the 50s.