i accidentally enabled a setting for my mic so thats why i might sound a bit weird in the second half of the video also it turns out using the old garou ult method removes the speed buff you usually get from ultimates, didnt realize this until final editing

@Rioyyfb

3 ай бұрын

You should have given yourself a speed buff similar to the speed increase on the new ult so we could see the difference crushed rock actually makes

@Bambi290

3 ай бұрын

Ok

@spectralfilmer1264

3 ай бұрын

Hi

@Therealgoose69

3 ай бұрын

ok

@NoahJosefAstoveza

3 ай бұрын

Don't forget about Xbox player lock on is almost impossible to that cross rock and strength difference garou and matal bat xbox is very good with them do to the lock on

we all know garou is a sweat character and the only reason ppl use the ult is for heals

@user-nf8id6di9b

3 ай бұрын

Why is this so accurate💀

@elbuissonmignon

3 ай бұрын

+ They never use Crushed Rock as a combo starting move cuz they prefer using their side dashes 💀

@xdpozu

3 ай бұрын

@@elbuissonmignon ??

@BecomeRatt

3 ай бұрын

​@@elbuissonmignon❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌

@iamyourmaster2565

3 ай бұрын

@@elbuissonmignonthe have to use crushed rock as a combo starter, they can’t use it after the opponent is on the ground. Rock splitting fist has to be used as a combo ender.

11:06 “This is my final stand!” Ah luck 😂

Thank you,I didn’t know this.I also have this cool little thing I learned with tatsumaki that if you do Stone grave,then windstorm fury,The windstorm will glitch in place and it helps a lot with catching enemies.

For the chasing segment, italso worth noting that Garou's ult moveset was designed at a time where no-one could run so effectively. Remember, the only two characters were "Bald Hero" and Garou. So the speed boost was enough at the time. Not anymore, though!

I started TSB after it started to get popular when garou got released, his old ult moves were pretty good to combo with each other when he wasn't changed yet.

@evonhong1148

2 ай бұрын

I only joined TSB becuase I watched a sketch video and wanted to try it

@ankushalmightgamer

Ай бұрын

Past lives

@luffygaming972

Ай бұрын

It was so ez to combo just used the first move then third then second it used to be such an easy combo

@albiskeller8058

Ай бұрын

Still nothing changed hero hunter at this point​@@luffygaming972

I remember the first time I joined TSB, Genos was still in process, but the moment I ACTUALLY played the game was when they were working on Metal bat

The new version is slightly better in my opinion cuz chasing people is literally HELL

@joel784

3 ай бұрын

Atleast you are not treated like a monkey

2:20 you can actually confirm crushed rock because 1. your hit box stays where your flung for a few milliseconds, 2. you cannot dodge fast enough, and 3. I think the length of your side dash and backdash are reduced. Sure, you could counter it with atomic samurai or garou but its still a 50 50 you go against those characters.

@Honzik207

3 ай бұрын

note that if Garou player has brain, he will not use the crushed Rock to hit you, wasting your counter. This will prepare you for a hot plate of final hunt/whatever moves Garou has at his disposal.

@SealGaminSeal

Ай бұрын

Thats what im sayin

I feel like the crushed rock diss is too much, it's actually a great option for movement and even if old garou ult had a speedboost 90% of the time you weren't gonna catch your opponent, and rock splitting fist is meant to be a combo ender so comparing it to hunter cruelty which is a combo extender is unfair.

@SaNicbOom6767

3 ай бұрын

I think people don't know when to use crushed rock and thats why they think the move its bad

@Koalbalt

3 ай бұрын

Plus, you can also use Crushed Rock as a combo extender with a mini-upprrcut into flowing water and then final hunt. Just gotta know how to use it right!

@Koalbalt

3 ай бұрын

@SaNicbOom6767 Exactly, and I'm not saying that the old moves didn't combo together more easily, but they diss Crushed Rock specifically way too much

@tikcu5173

3 ай бұрын

​​@@SaNicbOom6767Materia said it's the worst move + it has a ton of startup no matter how good you use it. Before near update it even used to be PUNISHABLE BECAUSE YOU LANDED IT. Literally anyone who could counter rc could punish you FOR SUCCESSFULLY LANDING IT. Floaty just played it terribly against new moveset because if he just kept dashing he would have avoided every crushed rock easily.

@lagoofysilly

3 ай бұрын

@@tikcu5173crushed rock shouldnt be used as a dash move

This is kinda a blast for the past. I played the game when this moves where garous ult

@-RandomStranger-

3 ай бұрын

Same

New garou ult: hehe, funny dash Old garou ult:FEAR ME, I CAN ONE SHOT YOU FOR SECONDS! Redacted: OMFG 150+ likes FOR 12 HOURS. THX BOIS

@BobuxManSus

3 ай бұрын

that is so true tho, i remember in the old times when someone had garou ult almost NO ONE tried to go after him

@boggy7091

3 ай бұрын

So can the new one wdym ☠️

@yobitsgaming

3 ай бұрын

@@boggy7091dude there was so many more combos u could do with old garou.

@yobitsgaming

3 ай бұрын

@@boggy7091it was way better

@BobuxManSus

3 ай бұрын

@@yobitsgaming your so right🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

even before the doomed prey move, it had a version that was a counter, which was just Preys Peril but faster, and blows em away really far in the air.

@TheCatHasFallen

3 ай бұрын

I thought for a sec i was the only person that thinks this, cause i thought i had a mandela effect where garous ult counter use to actually knock away opponents instead of doing a slam

@forgotten6769

3 ай бұрын

isnt that the finisher?

@epicnightmare5600

3 ай бұрын

@@forgotten6769 there werent any finishers before they would just ragdoll

2:54 the counter move is also an old finisher for preys peril

Old Garou was so good

@bigbosses4686

3 ай бұрын

It was only good because of their being no runners. If it was still in use today, it would be worse.

@-RandomStranger-

3 ай бұрын

​@@bigbosses4686 it was better used when the ENEMY popped ult first, since it had a much bigger awakening range, and the enemy was forced to either fight you or waste their ult (although there was only Saitama and a little of Genos back then)

2:30 fun fact: rock splitting fist can get countered too. i remember countering it with prey's peril

@mysteriousnecoarcy

3 ай бұрын

4:15 i think to be smart, if the person using sonic that had a brain, would sort of fight back, but try not to get caught, and it depends on the behaving of the person you chasing. here are types: Runner: Runs away, Everytime you need to use crushed rock ATLEAST to get them with your garou ult. The one who fights back and loses: do i need to explain this? The one with death counter: doesn't know that final hunt bypasses death counter. The Dude who counters your crushed rock: combos you gets you to a very low hp point basically that's all, correct me if i am wrong here.

@mysteriousnecoarcy

3 ай бұрын

if the sonic user gets caught, they'd usually ragequit for sure. but some just don't give up on making you chase and completly oblierate your ult by you wasting it cuz you chasin em, if you target soemone else(i think) they'd start targetting ya. that's all.

@nonameidea7353

2 ай бұрын

​@@mysteriousnecoarcyu never explained of countering tho

@nonameidea7353

2 ай бұрын

And no u can't if ur inside it can't be counted if it miss then it becomes just air cus no water

uh.. quick tip.When used rock splitting fist.. quickly side dash when it ends then use the dash move. It should be either 50/50 to hit the opponent

Am i the only one whos clicking on wellwork videos that have been made 10-50 seconds ago.

@Abdullah94254

3 ай бұрын

Not only u

@deemobgomaa4983

3 ай бұрын

Yeah indeed

We are killing teamers with this one!! 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

@ZoroRoronoa469

3 ай бұрын

Yessir we are dude 😎🗣🔥🗿

@maradaxus

3 ай бұрын

Wopaganganstale🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@jamesvictorbarrera6836

3 ай бұрын

​@@maradaxusaybasilsilbeysil arturgatun na bay beylin 🗣🗣🔥🔥

Does anyone remember old crushed rock?..

@hoganhuang1414

3 ай бұрын

Ye

@edithborjas448

Ай бұрын

Yea it used to just knock them down without going back the going back was used as a finisher to crushed rock

LETS GOOOOOOO NEW UPLOAD

I personally think new Garou ult is better because crushed rock is a dash move and their are no ranged moves in the old ult, if your really good like Wellworks (obviously) you will be able to hit them ez pz but with new players learning the game, or players that have been playing for a little while may not be able to hit it, just because they may not have mastered side dashing or forward dashing. but you can think what you want. and I hope I dont start an arguement.

also the old one was so good everyone was running bc of the how op it was but now bc of the explosion it does

Crushed rock is actually pretty good considering once someone uses an ultimate in public half the server also does causing A LOT of dust particles to appear making you unable to see jack.

Ngl I personally would’ve preferred the old Ult but with the speed of the new one, cuz not only would you have the potential to catch up to runners but also a move set that works well with eachother

i heard somewhere even this cant access the true old garou ult because the old garou ult had much more Invincibility frames, but still very cool how we can see a part of the TSB history

i remember the old garou ult it was overpowerd and so cool i remember it being like orange and a orange spot on your eye

1:04 hunters grasp is hunters cutlery, and the counter move is doomed, pray

Tip: To baffle someone when you wanna rock splitting fist then crushed rock, sidedash anywhere then crushed rock. Enemy most likely will dash to you or sidedash away, which will fail, considering the jump length of crushed rock.

Honestly, I think they should’ve swapped hunters cruelty with crushed rock instead of rock splitting fist because hunters cruelty is just a hunters grasp finisher but doomed prey should stay but have some buffs like it can counter more moves including ultimate moves and maybe have deflected projectiles do more dmg too. I’m not sure but I think I just really miss the old move set.

fun fact about crushed rock is that the final part when you smash them into the ground was only a finisher for the move before it was changed

Fun fact: preys peril was called doomed prey in his old ult. useless but if u were wondering

@user-zv6co6oz7e

3 ай бұрын

litteraly shows

@neil5165

3 ай бұрын

@@user-zv6co6oz7e shows what?

@Asian_Phan

3 ай бұрын

he literally said what it was called before and people that played long time ago would know🤦‍♂❤💩🍆😩🤓👽🗿coems🤑😈😭❗😢😂💀🔥😡😈😔ඞඞඞඞඞඞඞඞඞඞ🍆+🍑+🥛=👶

@neil5165

3 ай бұрын

Kids I mean to the new people that haven't played when it was older yall stupid 🤣

@neil5165

3 ай бұрын

@@Asian_Phan ayyo

2:50 the counter move was called doomed prey

Hunter’s grasp was a ending attack in the old ult and prey peril was a prey peril then a down slam…

I remember this cuz I started playing when Garou was still early access

I first time played TSB when it was called Saitama Battlegrounds now its The Strongest Battlegrounds. i like the saitama ult tho, 4 moves, 1 shot, instant kill except for serious punch if the opponent is full health

2:27 POV: garou players that have a brain predicts the side dash and lands it

you guys aren't noting that garou just recently got a new buff, which is the removed endlag for when you hit your crushed rock. This means that if you hit crushed rock you can instantly use final hunt and they wont be able to escape it. This is why new garou ult is just better

Hunter cruelty is actually crude because it does less damage now and actually you can do more attacks while the hunter’s cruelty is the main first attack and yet they can escape.

idk why but i think you and floaty are the best duo like goku and vegeta or saitama and genos

Bro had the most INSANE luck at 11:03

I got a move idea for garous ult name : rock of the flowing cascade : the person slams the ground then picks a rock then he rapidly throws it and you cant counter it cuz its too fast and unpredictable if the owner sees this garou needs range

Gotta remember that Old garou was actually nearly completely invincible in his ult, cause the old barrage had i-frames and on top of that his counter was pretty solid. And his final hunt didnt deal as much dmg, which made up for hunter's cruelty being able to combo extend.

@-RandomStranger-

3 ай бұрын

Also the range of final hunt was much bigger

I join in your group bc it's fun and sub=)

Honestly knowing Strongest dev team if they get enough complaints they might rework the ult. I’m sure they were even considering to begin with it’s not as flashy or strong as the new ones now

the only thing i dislike about the garou ult is the fact that it can get countered like any normal ability

Does anyone remember when doomed pray was replaced by crushed rock but hunters cruelty was kept in?Well that is probably the best garou ult has ever been

I think I thought of something that could help,not completely solve the fact that Garous ultimate is basically used as a free heal but could still help, passive:hunters mark,when a player is hit by garous ultimate awakening they get slowed down by 35% this will apply until the player is dead or until the ultimate is gone

@D-8092-SCP

3 ай бұрын

Or maybe it could go on stacks of 10% all the way up to 50% but then again if someone really tries they can avoid most of garous ultimate moves,also it’d cause a little more chaos as then most people would be slowed

doomed prey would be a cool finisher for old prey peril before a finsiher got added

There was a time when there was hunters cruelty with crushed rock, that was the best garou ult time

we subcre'bing with this one🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🥶🥶🥶

I feel like garou's crushed rock is actually pretty good, Although it's easy to counter, it's very easy to hit when you side dash and use it, if they have a counter you basically have 3 moves.

wellworks upload life is good

I have an idea: What if Crushed Rock had an aoe for when he misses sort of like Thunder Kick’s aoe, but he doesn’t get quite as much damage. The other option is to change the move into something into something like Toji’s shadow blitzing ult move like in Cursed Arena

@goofuston

3 ай бұрын

probaly the ground smash thing could just be the old crushed rock anim when you land it but a bit more impactful i guess also no the shadow blitz idea kinda sucks since its completely wack like the fight mechanic

Bro made a game theory : which garou ultimate is better video

I started playing TSB when it used to be Hunter's Cruelty ._.

Imagine if they are just changed the ult counter to crushed rock. That will be so powerful.

@albiskeller8058

Ай бұрын

Can u say it right bc i had a headache after i read this do u mean the counter got changed into crushed rock?

The reason Garous old ult is bad now is because of him being the only character without ranged moves which now you need ranged moves to truly be affective. The new ult isn’t much better but it at least has one decent ranged move. Before Garous ult was updated ranged moves weren’t a big thing literally every character had which is why he used to be the best character now he obviously isn’t. Also the old ult preys peril always was buggy.

@elbuissonmignon

3 ай бұрын

Are you really saying that new garou is better ? are you serious ? The lack of mobility was clearly carried by the insane damage, with only the 1, 3 and 4 skill, you could do a near one shot combo. The new garou doesn't have a good mobility too, it has a move with around 12 frames of start up with a mid speed and it's easily dodgeable. So it's not a decent ranged move cuz it's trash and finally the fact that old preys peril was always buggy isn't an argument at all

@jennerman661

3 ай бұрын

@@elbuissonmignon Most people just start running from the old ult garou because he had counter move which from u dying easly(even with speed boost from ult It was hard to catch up people who running away from you, I was playing the old garou, I know what I'm saying) and yes, he did not literally say that the new ult garou is better than the old one(me too)

@SaNicbOom6767

3 ай бұрын

@@jennerman661 i think the new ult is better because if know when to use crushed rock it's the perfect tool for chasing down runners

@bromanbrod1804

3 ай бұрын

​@@SaNicbOom6767shut up old ult garou is better

@SaNicbOom6767

3 ай бұрын

@@elbuissonmignon do people know you can side dash and jump to cover a lot more distance with crushed rock

I just saw the new psychic move. Its name was like expulsive push or something like that and you could use it twice. But when I tried it, it was broken for me. I checked again and they removed it

Crushed rock and doomed prey should've been combined with each other. Like the startup is the counter, then the dash.

Fun fact that most people know! Doomed prey is a instant attack,and preys peril has 1 second then attack If you don’t get it preys peril has a small charge you when you counter them Idk how to explain

For combos, old is a bit better, but for chasing runners new clears

man i miss the old garou ult it had ifrmes combo extenders IT WAS GOOD but now it is to use it only for the health :(

Tbh the new moveset is a better counter ult than others (except satiama), where you can chase, punish but be punished and very lethal (as he has a move that goes through satiama’s death counter) basically making a character where if you’re not careful you will die however, his old moveset is more of a combo ult where each and every move, perfectly combines into each other allowing the highest damage out put and hard to punish as well, basically a god damn Truck you do not want to be hit by. Also the old moveset fits garou more in my opinion and I prefer the combo too.

@bobbyuser1

3 ай бұрын

P.S I just realised this is technically better against teamers as it has a lot more AOE and has a counter

honestly crushed rock depends on the player. The example you used of rock splitting fist which isn't supposed to be used as a combo starter wasn't a good example but i guess it does explain your point about the gap to dodge. But crushed rock is used as a combo starter because if you use crushed rock + water stream + final hunt you can kill them instantly. If you dont have final hunt you go into rock splitting fist instead. I get that they shouldn't have replaced the counter with crushed rock, But at the same time i dont think it would be fair to have a counter in an ult. It would make a Saitama main like me cry a river. I think instead of using crushed rock after splitting fist you should side dash + dash to save that ability. And once they dodge you use it, works most of the time for me because they waste their dash.

I’m pretty sure old garou was more like “catch them and you win” type ult.

I just found out about a second split counter glitch last week. The guy basically did a death cpunter using split second on the wr9ng guy Apparently its a bug ingame

My opinion crushed rock is good because it can serve as a combo extender after the 3rd m1 although not true the opponent is forced to use there side dash and you can kinda bait them into doing it then punish them with crushed rock

I just missed doomed preys. Imagine having a very low cooldown time counter in your ultimate and base.

3 m1, crushed rock, water stream rock smashing, final hunt

I think the new garou ult contrast Garou in the anime alot better. He stops trying to go for combos and just trys to kill you, that's all he is focused on, with 2 dashes he's always on your tail. He's smelled blood and the waters are coated red. He is done reading your attacks and finding counterplay, all he is trying to do is finish you.

Well they did buff crushed rock that way u can instantly use a move after it because before u had end lag and now not anymore

it just needs a full on rework, maybe monster garou. I think the old version isn't very creative because it just reuses his base moveset while the newer one just doesn't compete with the other characters

You got to remember with the old move set, sonic wasn't out so it's unfair

i found you in my server yesterday

11:40 “the speedbuff is not speeding bro”

hunter's cruelty is literally just the hunter's grasp finisher with less damage

this debate can stay up in arms but the old music and yellow aura went way harder imngl

"I dont have anyone to test it out on" **proceeds to deflect with a shuriken thrown by a player**

They should add a update to hunter grasp giving more stun cuz it’s only useab E with with its tech which most people can’t do against pro players

i feel like alot of people already knows this but there's a TRUE combo that no one can escape not even with evasive,and its the easiest combo: 1+2

its a no brainer these ult moves got removed, once you got caught in a garou ult's grasp it'd be impossible to escape them. they replaced the moves to make garous ult more easier to escape. then again they were literally just copy and pasted from the normal garou moveset

The old moves were hunters cruelty and doomed prey

my favorite is new garou just cuz the cursh rocked buff

I like the new Garou but the old Garou ult was just more fun.

Hey new trim to get cool aura. Press give ultimate and then activated so many times will go get it.

"The speed is not speeding." -Floaty

Who else misses the orange aura and the eye glint garou's ult used to have

Imagine if they bring back garou ult counter like it can counter sonic ult and genos and metalbat atomic samurai

tip for landing crushed rock: step 1: waste their ragdoll step 2: land an m1 combo (m1 + m1+ m1+ uplift) step 3: use crushed rock step 4: profit

i feel like new garou ult is very good for runners whil old garou ult is very good for combos and defense (old garou ult had big Iframes back in the day)

The old ult used the regular flowing water, it just slammed you into the ground.

The nostalgia killed me

literally no one dares to hit you back when doomed prey still exist but now that crushed rock replaced sonic users just spam you to death since you cant counter (i know you can block it but its still annoying asf since it takes up so much time)

Old Garou’s ult combos were so deadly back then. Now the ult is extremely trash if you don’t even know how to use it

LETSS GOOO

btw garou ult was very anoying because it was like the base moveset but broken and chasing a guy with that was a nightmare and more because they always wanted to bait ur counter and u always had to get very close to the player but the garou 3 ultimate move didn’t really needed the rework it just made him worse for the ult combo but the old 4 garou ultimate move was the one that always had to shit the whole ultimate

you guys should 1v1 with old garou moveset vs new garou moveset, then we can see which is actually better

I'm really resisting myself to say to you "nice jawline ;)" like fade

Its called doomed prey a.k.a crushed rock before (i played old garou before in the genos upd)