21:07 It was a thing in the game, it was not quite as direct as it is in the show, but there's an optional dialogue where Joel heavily implies he tried taking his life. The dialogue triggers when they come across a couple in a tub who had taken their lives. Ellie says, "Guess they took the easy way out", to which Joel says, "It ain't easy. For many it was better than letting a clicker or a hunter do it for them. Trust me, it ain't easy."

Ellie: So time heals all wounds does it? Joel: It wasn’t time that did it….. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I played this game 10 years ago and to this day it is one of the single greatest stories ever told. I remember debating with other gamers for over a year about if Joel made the right decision or not. The question of “You have a chance to save the world but the cost is that you lose the person you love the most in the world after already suffering that pain before”. The answer, the REAL answer, is that both Joel and Marlene made the wrong decision, because that decision should’ve been Ellie’s to make. In the Last Of Us (GAME) podcast Neil Druckman talks about how Joel and Marlene had no right to take that choice away from Ellie. She would’ve said yes, and then Joel would have no choice but to respect her wish. She wanted the deaths of all the people she had lost, Riley, Tess, Henry and Sam, to mean something. Even if it cost her her life. And even though a small part of her knows in her heart that Joel was lying to her she feels that she can’t let herself believe that the only person she loves in the world took away her chance to save the world. Also I love that Ashley Johnson got to play Ellie’s mom Anna. It was a beautiful full circle moment that the woman who plays Ellie in the games played her mother in the show. And Lauren Bailey who plays Abby in Part 2 plays one of the nurses in the OR. And it sucks that even though we have to wait a couple more years for season 2, it will be worth the wait! Until then, Endure And Survive!

Can we talk about the Firefly who had one job to cover Ellie's ears and didn’t do it? One job! 😀

@alice45-fgd-456drt

Жыл бұрын

Literally what I was thinking, like he knew what Marlene was going to do and couldn't cover the baby's ears?? Bruhhhh.

@danieljette7409

Жыл бұрын

Even if the man had three arms, one to hold the baby and the other two to somehow muffle the noise…Do you actually think that it would do anything to prevent the very loud noise from affecting the baby?

@minhduong1484

Жыл бұрын

@@danieljette7409 It sounds you never had to cover a baby's ears before so that they don't wake up due to loud noises. I would think that in a world where monsters are attracted to sounds, not waking a sleeping baby so they do not cry might be worth attempting.

@JigInsane

Жыл бұрын

Swear that's what I thought. Like, fucker, you didn't even attempt to cover her damn ears.

@8301TheJMan

Жыл бұрын

He prolly was also one of the five dudes later on "who's only job was to protect" Marlene and yet she still almost got killed getting across the country, like she said when questioning Joel about how they made it out there just the two of them? lol! After that she prolly fired his incompetent ass, and by fired - i mean shot him in the leg while they were being chased by some infected

The addition of Joels story was great. Makes sense, adds to the story, and delivered wonderfully by Pedro.

@01HondaS2kXD

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of a line from the game. I can’t remember exactly when but Ellie and Joel comes across a couple who committed self-alive’nt and Ellie says something like they took the easy way out and Joel says they must’ve chosen it over death at the hands of clickers or raiders and then says, “trust me, it ain’t easy.”

The way Joel looks only at Ellie while she's feeding the giraffe, dunno if the dude's ever seen a giraffe before himself but he doesn't care because his kid is smiling and giggling and it's way better than anything else 😭

Amazingly done final episode 🤩 Ashley and Laura getting roles here was awesome and so glad they got to be a part of it all. Seeing Joel just brutally go through the hospital too was amazing, really sets up the next chapter. And a real Giraffe 🦒

What a perfect show. It didn't disappoint, Bella and Pedro nailed their characters and every single episode made me cry with so many beautiful and hard moments. I loved watching your videos after each episode. i'll miss that.

top-quality television show with a strong narrative and very compelling characters. the best live-action recreation of a videogame. ❤🔥 Super excited for Season

From the moment Joel met Ellie, it was his destiny that he would protect her, no matter the cost. Not death, not even the human race being possibly saved was going to keep Joel from protecting Ellie.

Loved it. Of course he would protect his "daughter" no matter what.

@justinbaileyASU

Жыл бұрын

of course, but he is doing it for himself, not for her. It's a selfish act. he doesn't care about what she actually wants anymore than the Fireflies do.

Also: if they had just given Ellie the choice and both of them time to process it, Joel would probably have eventually let go.

yeah i agree with you 100. Joel and the Fireflies were both wrong. They should have explained the full situation to Ellie and let her decide. But I also think people asking if Joel "did the right thing" or not is a useless question. Joel did the only thing he could. He didn't really choose. He could not lose another daughter. He couldn't fail to save someone again. He simply did the only thing that he could.

Like watching Mando come back for Grogu 😎

"It wasn't time that did it"... I'M NOT OKAY! 😭😭

You could almost say that Ashley playing Ellie's mother is the show's way of her passing the torch on to Bella. Also, to answer your question about the giraffe, it is real, it was confirmed in the behind-the-scenes.

The Fireflies were never going to give Ellie a choice, That's why she was inmediately put under. Marlene saw herself how strong-willed Ellie's mom was. Marlene was 100% not taking the chance of Ellie saying no. I love these story so much. TLoU is a greta tale; it just saddens me, how the underlying idea was missed by many fans who then played the 2nd game only to miss the point again.

@alice45-fgd-456drt

Жыл бұрын

This is what gets me when people act like the Fireflies had the moral high ground because "Ellie wanted to help". No one is right here, to me that's the whole point. This story isn't about a good guy and a bad guy, it's about humans, and humans are never going to make objective choices because we are incapable of being objective in any given situation.

@clarkmichaels822

Жыл бұрын

I think that's the great irony of the conclusion. Marlene didn't know Ellie so she didn't want to take the risk of Ellie saying no. Joel does know Ellie so he doesn't want to tell her what he did because he knew Ellie would've said yes (which is confirmed in TLOU2). Both of them didn't give her a choice. Marlene for her love for humanity, Joel for his love for Ellie.

@gailseatonhumbert

Жыл бұрын

@@clarkmichaels822 confirmed as a guess without the science to back it up.

That moment when joel and ellie are talking about how it was her and not time that healed him, u can see the real emotion in pedro and bella. I read that this was the 3rd to last day of shooting-after 9+ months of filming, im sure those two were feeling emotional about it ending.

I suspect it was a nod to the house from season 2 put in well before a 2nd season was greenlit as an Easter egg in case. Similar to Jackson and specifically Dina in ep 6. What a great show

@jeffreycleijne3079

Жыл бұрын

That sounds about right since the house in the show is naar Boston, and in the game it's not.

@hybrid3214

Жыл бұрын

Neil said that it was not made to look like part 2 house at all they just told art department they needed a farm house and that is what they made. Just a coincidence and yeah that house was near Boston not in Wyoming like part 2

Yes, that is a real effin' giraffe. They trained some giraffes from the Calgary Zoo for this scene.

It's been a great journey with you covering this series. I look forward to your future content.

1:55 as a father, I can say that if that was my son, who's sacrifice and death would potentially save the world, I would say f*ck the world, I'm saving my child. So I agree, many of us would make the same choice that Joel did, no questions asked.

i feel joel should of told her that they wanted to kill her for a cure that wasnt even sure it was a cure and he didnt want to lose her

I love the poetry that woman who gave birth to Ellie in the game literally gives birth to her in the show.

Thank you Louise for your great season of Last of Us reactions. I'm really glad I found your channel. You're so sweet and you're all heart!

Old Ellie telling new Ellie "you fucking tellem Ellie" is just layer on layer.

This show is a true masterpiece. I’m especially happy that the joke book and the giraffe made it in the show. Joel and Ellie’s relationship is one for the ages.

Welcome to..... Giraffic Park!

Still can’t believe I cried over a giraffe, gutted it was a short episode but they did the ending perfectly and Ashley as Ellie’s mum is perfection

Love your reaction to finale Lousie hope there's a future sequel and excited to see your reaction to Mandalorian 3×3 next !!!🖤💚🧡

I thought the same thing, about Elli not getting a choice, being put into surgery without her consent.

Since a lot of us ask about Joel, what I want to know is why Marlene did what she did. She mentioned something about not being able to do anything about the fact that Ellie will possibly die after the surgery. Why?

12:00 I totally agree. By the way I cried at every f***ing point you've cried in the reaction. I was one of those people who was incredibly skeptical about the casting. But I was convinced within a few scenes. The casting is great. Bella especially wears me out. The way she portrays fear is traumatizing. I can still hear the scream in my ears when Henry shot himself and her reaction to her bite, her speech to Joel when he wanted to leave her to Tommy. Sensational! Ellie has been my favorite female character since I played the game, and Bella has further strengthened my connection to the character

Last year brought us Arcane. This year we were graced with Vox Machina and Last of Us. Game to screen adaptations are crushing it. And us in the process.

In the end, the Fireflies were no more committed to personal freedom than FEDRA. They denied Ellie's body autonomy because they had decided her life was worth less than theirs, so they didn't have to have her consent to kill her and use her body.

@thrummer1953

Жыл бұрын

That's right. Very typical too. They became the enemy they were created to fight.

@Saberwolf2112

Жыл бұрын

It's so interesting that people pull the body autonomy card when the fireflies are trying to save millions but never when Joel is murdering people. Joel is not the good guy here, and never has been. He's human, and did a human thing by protecting his daughter at all costs. But he's not a hero

@robertmurrhee6016

Жыл бұрын

It's more a case of the stakes are so high, we can't give you the option of refusing, if there's even the slightest chance you might, so we're not letting the choice be left to you.

@rickbruner5525

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmurrhee6016 So how are they any different from the cannibals in Ep 8? We are starving, the stakes are high, we can't give you the option of refusing. if there's even the slightest chance you might, so we're not letting the choice be left to you. It's the same thing, our survival is more important than yours.

@rickbruner5525

Жыл бұрын

@@Saberwolf2112 So how are the Fireflies any different from the cannibals in Ep 8? We are starving, the stakes are high, we can't give you the option of refusing. if there's even the slightest chance you might, so we're not letting the choice be left to you. It's the same thing, our right to survive is greater than your right to survive. I never claimed that he was a hero. So who in the series did Joel kill who didn't make a conscious effort to kill either Joel or Ellie. Deciding to kill someone is a choice, defending one's self doesn't require you to allow some one else to kill you. Did the men who attacked them in KC have a choice? Yes they could have just let them pass through. Did the old man sniper have a choice? Yes, he could have just put the gun down and sat still for an hour. Did the man who attacked Joel and Ellie outside the College have a choice? Of course he did but he was looking for someone to eat. Did the three men who came to kill injured Joel have a choice? Yes, they could have said let's not try to track down the man and the little girl since we still have bodies hanging in the bait shop we can eat. Why did he kill the Fireflies? Because they had already decided that their lives were more important than Ellie's and they would continue to look for her. Body autonomy includes not being killed to feed hungry people, or being killed without your consent in a medical experiment. There was no evidence that the surgery would have provided a cure, it was just the doctor's belief, and they obviously never made an attempt to find a less invasive approach to discovering why she was immune.

This was a great series, unlike anythink I have ever seen. Good for Joel and Ellie. Thank you for another entertaining reaction.

I knew you would love the giraffe scene ❤

Talk about a morally ambiguous ending. On one hand, I get it. Humanity took away what mattered most to Joel and after finding something that close in Ellie again, he wasn't going to let it happen again. I don't know what it's like to be a a father but I would like that someday and having to put myself in Joel's shoes, I'd probably do the same? Not to mention, the Fireflies weren’t giving her much of a choice in the matter. But then again, neither was Joel. It was still a…..selflessly selfish choice that not only doomed the entire world but robbed Ellie of whatever hope she had left for it as well as the choice to choose. It might be refreshing to some people, seeing them finally be together in this "new beginning" but keep this in mind: it's based on a lie. All of it.

@terrahawk1977

Жыл бұрын

Season 2 epi 1 will nuke some people's brains gonna b entertaining

@DariusFrench6273

Жыл бұрын

@@terrahawk1977 Oh I’m anticipating the meltdowns alright……it’s gonna be glorious

@gailseatonhumbert

Жыл бұрын

He didn't doom the entire world. If this "doctor" who is an unethical monster Dr. Mengele style in Hitler's government is your idea of someone saving the world. It's not mine.

This was done so beautifully this show was amazing. Here's to season 2 🍻

I played the game in 2013 when it came out, and I love how people are talking about the end of this season the same way people debated about the game. My personal view of Joel's choice hasn't changed. Neither the fireflies or Joel gave Ellie a voice to express her own choice. However, Ellie is still in fact a 14 year old child suffering from PTSD and obviously based on her reactions at the beginning of the episode she wasn't in her right mind to make an end-of-life decision. She deserved to live her life until she was a full grown adult capable of making that decision for herself. Joel ultimately made the right decision for Ellie's benefit, even if he damns the world in the process.

The thing is they didn't know for a fact that the cure would work. They were going to kill Ellie on a hunch. And as far as Marlene assuming Ellie would still go along with it knowing that she would die and they weren't 100% sure it would be worth it, her not telling Ellie that beforehand proves even she had doubt. Joel absolutely did the right thing.

@alice45-fgd-456drt

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Maybe they would've succeeded in being the first to make a cure, even though creating vaccines against fungal infections has never succeeded. For me the question then becomes, if humanity is this comfortable killing children on the off chance that they might provide scientific benefit, is it worth saving? There was no testing done, no other options were considered before deciding on chopping up her brain, and she wasn't even told about it before she was drugged. Doesn't sound very humane to me.

@stevemcgowen

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't have made a difference either way. People are the problem in TLOU, not infected. A cure wouldn't solve the people problem...

@bugballs2211

Жыл бұрын

Definitely didn’t do the right thing. For Joel it was but in the big picture Potential cure through 1 life > Not a real Daughter

@jthomann71

Жыл бұрын

@@bugballs2211 In the last part of The Last of Us, Joel kills all the fireflies and saves Ellie but by doing so he may have doomed humanity by ending the possibility of a cure being made, making the ending bittersweet and morally ambiguous. The thing is, Joel didn't really done nothing wrong, and saving Ellie was the right choice, here are my reasons: 1 - The doctors would remove Ellie's brain to try to create a vaccine, but that's not how vaccines works, a vaccine is a tamed version of a pathogen that "teaches" your body to defend against it, to do a vaccine you need to use the pathogen in small quantities or a modified version of it, Ellie is immune to it, you don't create vaccines from the immune system, that's called a serum, and it works differently, a serum is used when someone comes in contact with a desease and it contains a series of antibodies that fight the infection, but it doesn't make anyone immune. So what they were trying to do was pointless; 2- Even if the doctors know what they were doing, it was a wild shot a with no guarantee that it would work; 3- Even if a vaccine was sucessfully made they wouldn't save the world, the world was destroyed 20 years ago, society collapsed and was rebuilt agin on a new way, and everyone already new how to deal with it, also the greatest threat were not even the cordyceps fungus anymore, it was the infected (that the vaccine couldn't do nothing about) and the crooked humans that walked the earth. Besides that, the fireflies had no way to distribute the vaccine worldwide, not even in a national level. So I believe what Joel did in the end was the right thing, the fireflies was an extremist group that was willing to do anything not to save the world, but to prove their point, even kill an innocent girl under a delusional precept. TL;DR, you're wrong

YES! I watched a ‘making of’ video. THE GIRAFFE WAS REAL!

I just love the way you say house :)

I absolutely loved every single episode!

Haven’t watched the game, but just love watching you react. 😊I’m just a huge Star Wars fan. That’s how I found you.

If you see the behind the scenes the giraffe is real. And it appears to be at least 2 more seasons based on the show runners havesaid recently.

What an awsome series can't wait for series 2

The look on her face at the end when she realizes the person on whom she depends lied about something crucial crushed me.

@Lost_Northerner

Жыл бұрын

I had a similar thought immediately, Ellie knows he just lied to her.

I dont know much about part 2, but i thought him leaving the nurses alive might be his undoing bc they are now the only ones who know who did all that.

I love the last of us so much I made so many friends playing the multiplayer the show is very great as well

That was an actual giraffe. It wasn't CGI.

Joel didn't follow the most important post apocalypse rampage rule--no witnesses.

I can definitely see how people would disagree about Joel's decision. It was very much MEANT to be an incredibly contentious part of the game, however there was one group in early game-testing who backed Joel's choice 100% and that was all the parents. Without exception. Otherwise among testers the choice was pretty 50/50 between would they do the same or not.

Also, even if they had asked Ellie before hand (and we ignore the fact that they WOULD have done the procedure even if Ellie said 'no' because they're not gonna let, what they consider humankinds last chance, just walk out) it still wouldn't have been a fair choice. How would you be expected to choose between yourself and the rest of humanity, especially as a child? Even if you rationalized that the rest of humanity do not have any claim to your life, it'd still be some world record level survivor's guilt if you said no.

Joel lost Sarah in his birthday, Ellie lost her mom on her birthday. They were always meant to be together 🥲

Even if what Marlene says is true I doubt they could replicate the results for a cure

It was real, obviously the background wasn't because they couldn't remove it from it's enclosure. The making of is a must watch. P.S. when you said that he made the right decision to not kill the nurses, I was thinking "maybe not"

Laura Bailey is here too, as a nurse ;)

12:59 yes we know, that will create issues later 😅

Hi Louise hope you are having an great and awesome day ❤️

this episode is so heavy especially if you know what's coming

Marlene and the Fireflies learned the hard way why informed consent is such an important law. They really should have gotten Ellie and Joel's permission before trying to play the apocalypse version of Operation in a young woman's head.

I think that when Anna cut the umbilical cord with the knife she had just killed one of the infected ones, at that point something from the dirty knife went into the umbilical cord and went from there to Ellie. The bite on Anna's leg wouldn't have enough time to reach Ellie, but cutting umbilical cord with dirty knife yes.

@LouiseJulie: 23:29 Your reaction was way more than decent, and not boring to watch at all 😊😊

🖤💚🖤 I definitely shed a few tearz and yes I'm a guy lol Love and Adore your accent and your Emotionz and Heart are Beautiful 😁

I was mad at joel when he ruined humanity’s chance at a cure….but ive softened bc i love pedro now lol

@laurenbendik2006

10 ай бұрын

Im still mad at joel lying to ellie, tho. She is too smart to not figure out he is lying, and it ruins their trust.

There’s no “right” answer…..it’s all about perspective. That’s what makes the game and the show so great. That being said, even if the Fireflies did successfully make a vaccine, it’s too late to save the world because there’s no global infrastructure anymore. The only people that would get the vaccine would be other Fireflies or they’d use it to get people to join them. They would never give it to FEDRA members or any citizens in the QZ who supported them. The vaccine would just be another tool to help them win their war.

The episode length was correct. They could have made it longer, but it would have been padding.

What controversy? If it came down to my kid needs to die in order to save the world, fuck that, the world had a good run. You ain’t taking my kid. I totally understand the decision Joel made here.

The house in part 2 is in Jackson Colorado, 2000 miles away from Boston There are way too few infected in this season. In the game, there were 6 bloaters alone The giraffe is partially real, partially cgi I wonder if animals get infected or if infected attack animals What Joel did at the end was completely understandable but also completely selfish Even if she knew, Ellie would probably still have gone through with it Sara probably wouldn't have survived

@gailseatonhumbert

Жыл бұрын

That's not my definition of selfish

@dragonweyr44

Жыл бұрын

@@gailseatonhumbert One death for billions seems like a fair trade to me It's sad, but true

This was all Marlene's fault. Her choices wrecked the whole thing.

I really see how the letter from Bill gave Joel the motivation for the killing of Fireflies. And God help those motherfuckers who are in our ways... On the other side, why the Fureflies need to do surgery A.S.A.P? Why not treat Joel with the goodness he deserved for his work to bring Ellie to them. I believe if they peacefully talked to Ellie and Joel and in the end Ellie will want to sacrifice herself, Joel will get a peacefull goodbye with Ellie. And all mandkind can have a potential cure. Eventhough I really doubt that only one doctor can do it in this kind of post-apocaliptic world. Usually the research teams for creating a cure or vaccine is very big and they have modern machinaries... Apart from that, if I'm being asked about is what Joel did right or wrong? I will definitely answer with: it depends on what I am attributed to when being asked the question. If I am asked as a father who will loose a daughter through the process, then I will answer it is right. But if I am a doctor when I was aksed then my answer is Joel is very wrong in dooming mankind to eternal post-apocalyptic world

I'd do the same thing as Joel did as well. I haven't played either game. They didn't even give Ellie a choice. Ellie was thinking she'd donate some blood then leave with Joel. I don't blame Joel at all.

You fuckin tell em' Ellie.

The giraffes were real

My city looked pretty close

Anyone else get the GOT vibes when baby Ellie cuts to present Ellie? R+L=J. (Not to mention, of course, Pedro & Bella) 😅

MOTHER IS COMING IN SEASON 2!!

I'm worried it will take 2 years for season 2

Yes it's a real giraffe. Also would the cure have worked?

Laura and Ashley were there

Humans aren't worth saving. They sure as hell ain't killing who I love to save people I hate.

Ashley Johnson 😭😭😭

@davidpilsky6205

Жыл бұрын

You forgot Laura Bailey she was a nurse.😁😁😁

@MUIOzone

Жыл бұрын

@@davidpilsky6205 I didn't even know she was showing.

@rockerojerez349

Жыл бұрын

@@davidpilsky6205 what Laura Bailey???

@davidpilsky6205

Жыл бұрын

@@rockerojerez349 Yeah she plays nurse when -joel break in and kills doctor.

Space Pedro or Apocalypse Pedro?

❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

It's funny watching people that really know the game well vs people that have no idea what Last of Us is. The emotional moments, while often happening at the same time, are often different. Non-gamers rarely if ever have such a joyful reaction to the giraffe lol. We gamers though...we know.

Goddamn I ain’t never seen a women kill and give birth all in the same action Jesus

I couldn't help but find myself becoming increasingly angry at Marlene. Everything she said and did was just mock compassion or gaslighting. "I was there when she was born." Well maybe if you actually were her mother wouldn't have been bit. "I promised her mother I would care for her and protect her." You literally pawned her off on anyone you could until there was something you could exploit from her.

I think some folks fail to grasp the situation of Ellie's predicament. Whether or not Ellie was given a choice to go with the surgery, the decision would've been made for her by Joel or Marlene anyway.

@krazyknva78

Жыл бұрын

I think Joel would've honored Ellie's wish, regardless of her choice. Marlene was set to sacrifice Ellie, just for the chance of a vaccine.

i think he did the right thing marlene didnt even ask ellie and the sond of ellie she expected to live and be with joel and they said it might be a cure so i know for a fact i would of done the same thing joel did

Did you see Laura Baily?

Ellie = Blade

I love this 🦒❤️ Ellie smile and happy 😭❤️😭❤️ Joel save to Ellie because Ellie it's a daughter ❤️ , I don't care humanity and Marlene Joel must lie to Ellie protect a daughter ❤️ Joel kill Abby's father doctor Jerry hehe 😂 game over because Joel choice is save to Ellie ❤️ And now what you think about the last of us part 2 to season 2 ??

I wonder since you played the Last Of Us Part 2 last your opinion slightly evolved, since obviously season 2 is coming up on HBO! Like you were pretty unhinged at the end. Wondered if you've softened and balanced your view a bit more.

Yeah they used a real giraffe

can Ashley sing "I'm my own grandma?"

😎✌️

What it all comes down to is... "Do the needs of the many... outweigh the needs of the few... or the one?" ~ That is THE Question posed by this episode... (Spock) And yes! There was a real giraffe in the production. - SUCH A GOOD REACTION!

The theory is that Ellie is immune because her mom used the same knife that she stabbed the infected with to cut the cord thus transferring the chemical signals into Ellie’s body. She wasn’t connected long enough for blood to transfer directly from mom to baby but that knife was the fastest possible instrument.

Neither Joel nor the Fireflies gave Ellie a choice.

@gailseatonhumbert

Жыл бұрын

Joel was not in control of the situation so you can't blame him for his limited options.

@DEricKesler

Жыл бұрын

@@gailseatonhumbert, he lied to Ellie. Joel knew that if given a choice, Ellie would die to save humankind. His solution was deprive her of the option to make that choice.

Did Marlene come across as uncharacteristically naive to you? They could've killed/restrained/sedated Joel until it was over, she knows what he's capable of