Your “gold standard“ landed in someone’s backyard.

@Thisandthat8908

2 ай бұрын

you can have a gold standard road but if someone drives a rusty (or shiny new...) broken car over it, it doesn't help. and however lucky that was, it's a fact that everybady left that plane alive so it's proabably not a big tick in that statistic. But there are other isues like near crashes over runways and so on that put that gold standard much more into question.

The man who found the door in his back garden was lucky that he was not in his garden when it landed there. That is scary!

@wally7856

4 ай бұрын

You don't even have to fly on one of these planes to get taken out.

@tfdtfdtfd

4 ай бұрын

Or that the door didn't travel another 10 yards to fall on his roof.....we are talking about something that fell from 16,000 feet up in the air

@TIYC

Ай бұрын

😂​@@wally7856

The deep problem is allowing manufacturers to certify their own machines. Boeing is one of those who has the authorization to do so, and that led to the 2 tragic crashes that grounded the fleet. The Federal Administration has to retake their duties and do the testing themselves to or not to certify models and mechanical/software upgrades to those models.

@frankiexv4533

4 ай бұрын

The FAA has been running the show with the Max for years now.

@23merlino

4 ай бұрын

@@frankiexv4533 - yet, only after the 2x 737-max crashes...

@toolbaggers

4 ай бұрын

When was the last time you heard an Airbus have problems?

@thefrener794

4 ай бұрын

​@@frankiexv4533You must own stock.

@johnb6690

4 ай бұрын

It is absolutely impossible that the FAA could certify and verify all the engineering that goes into every aircraft being built. They (FAA) would need to hire tens of thousands of engineers that just don’t exist. So when it comes to engineering the FAA is essentially manage a conflict of interest. Obviously with the two 737 tragedies, managing that conflict of interest requires more oversight and restructuring. This has been going on for many decades as a necessity, because if the feds had to certify everything, we’d still be flying around in DC 6’s. Don’t be fooled the European aviation authorities, who oversee Airbus are in a similar situation.

Flying with Boeing is not only an adventure, it's a real thriller.

@___beyondhorizon4664

4 ай бұрын

Oui! From Airbus 🤔

@aljay2955

4 ай бұрын

Yeah their space module failed not long after take off a couple years ago. That company has major quality control issues.

@ABa-os6wm

4 ай бұрын

The door fell off. It's in the environment now.

@audimaster5000

4 ай бұрын

@@aljay2955 Think of the millions of flights that occur practically nonstop 365 days a year all over the globe… there’s no way anyone could reasonably suggest a lack of quality control or safety validation protocols and practices- and being held to follow FAA guidelines, regulations and procedures with all the certifications, documentation and ongoing logs…ect.. While that doesn’t imply condoning such occurrences that potentially could be prevented or avoided, it does though put in perspective that no matter the corporate side of passenger tickets and people’s experiences flying, airports and whatever…the airframe and power plant side of these aircraft is top tier aviation that in my opinion has proven to exist far better than any other major corporate/industry infrastructures like automotive roadway transportation , mining, manufacturing, trains, agricultural practices ect….

@JonSmith-xh2jf

4 ай бұрын

getting there is half the fun!

This type of 'failure' is totally unacceptable. Period!

@AS-vq3wt

4 ай бұрын

The woman "expert" couldn't fly a toy drone yet she's an expert 😂😂😂

@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549

4 ай бұрын

@@AS-vq3wtshe know more than you genius

@snotnosewilly99

4 ай бұрын

In the last 20+ years only about 5 people have died in large airliner accidents in the US.... ......While well over 500,000 people have died in traffic accidents. The airline industry is incredibly safe, compared to driving on the street.

@bobbyhill4118

4 ай бұрын

This isn’t bad piggies bro, this is living and dying here

@garrettw99

4 ай бұрын

@@bobbyhill4118hahahaha

"the cockpit voice recorder was overwritten"... how could that possibly happen..? surely, after landing an 'emergency' flight (mayday) the plane should be treated with the same security as a crime scene...

@billpugh58

4 ай бұрын

Go read about it, plenty of documentation about CVR on the internet. no crazy flat earth anti-vaxxer alien conspiracies please.

@GeorgeSmiley77

4 ай бұрын

CVRs only hold 2 hours of data (conversations). Once that mark is reached, new incoming data starts being written over those first 2 hours of data, starting at the beginning. So US CVRs never hold more than 2 hrs of data. In Europe CVRs are required to hold 25 hours of conversation before anything starts being overwritten. The USA only requires 2 hours, and people have been trying to get that increased for years.

@s198203

4 ай бұрын

@@GeorgeSmiley77omg how horrible! An iPhone can record longer.

@tinchote

4 ай бұрын

@@s198203 It's not a technical problem. The standard was set to satisfy pilots' unions demands for privacy.

@s198203

4 ай бұрын

@@tinchote I know, that’s what I mean simple technology can record so much further there’s no reason for the standard to not be changed!!

what is funny is the response at the end, go "where the investigation takes us". These max planes were already investigated and it was found to have egregious TQM issues during production and a lack of FAA oversight throughout the duration. People were fired for trying to speak out saying there were quality concerns and Boeing refused to provide the requested training for their new software. Boeing is an example of too big to fail which is why so much of this is covered up and extended out so people forget.

@lindafukuyu5767

4 ай бұрын

I used to work for Boring. As soon as I pointed out so many Flaws for SAFETY, I was let go. Boeing is a Criminal !

The two seats next to the plug were unoccupied. I find that rather interesting…

I’m an A&P mechanic having worked on tons of 737s and this has never been an issue with the older 900 which has the exact same door design. This is likely an issue of shoddy maintenance or assembly work at the Boeing factory. Every day the shortage of technicians intensifies and there’s more and more completely inexperienced people put to work and assemble these things without even having gone through school and having 0 mechanical skills. Expect to see more of these type of crazy issues in the future.

@TheTruthSeeker756

4 ай бұрын

Not made by Boeing as I understand it. Fuselage is bought from another company.

@gbnq2513

4 ай бұрын

@@TheTruthSeeker756 Apparently, Spirit AeroSystems make the fuselage with the 'plug' door partially attached. After the fuselage is delivered to Boeing, they (Boeing) then remove the door so they can load interior fittings/furnishings through the opening, before then refitting the door before completing interior fit out. If it is the case that the door had fallen off because it was not attached properly, then it is back on Boeing.

@tfdtfdtfd

4 ай бұрын

@@gbnq2513 This is correct...I also see no reason for the operator to have opened this within the first two months of the aircraft's operating history.....of course the maintenance logs will show this.

@jumpinjehoshaphat1951

4 ай бұрын

United found loose bolts on door plugs on several 737 Max 9s.

@pakpala1

4 ай бұрын

Boeing huh? I guess Airbus will be my preferred choice from now on..

Boeing has been in trouble for several years over quality control issues on its production lines. However, there's a new issue here. Why did Alaska keep the aircraft in service with pressurisation, a critical safety system, repeatedly indicating a fault? I expect the FAA will be asking the airline some hard questions.

@daigriffiths399

4 ай бұрын

These are called 'nuisance alerts' where every time one occurs, the system checks out perfectly and no fault can be found. The aircraft goes back into service and some time (days, weeks) later the same alert comes up with the same result. Alaska took the right decision to restrict the aircraft's routes. If you were to stop flying all aircraft with a nuisance alert you would very quickly ground a substantial percentage of hulls. Ex-pilot here and the victim(??) of a depressurisation event on a deHavilland Dash-7 about twenty years ago. That was 'interesting'.

@francinecorry633

4 ай бұрын

Revenue.

@michaelclay8544

4 ай бұрын

​@@daigriffiths399m

@dumbfailurekms

4 ай бұрын

the way u typed those words like u knew what they were before this incident

@SerenityNow....

4 ай бұрын

Boeing now outsources a good amount of it's manufacturing, believe it or not. This plane was only three months old. A repeated problem on a brand new car would qualify it for a replacement thru the "Lemon Law." The fact that Alaska Airlines even had to deal with cabin pressure alerts on this new of a plane is ridiculous. It's unforgivable that Boeing delivered a new plane with this number of manufacturer defects.

Profits over people is the 🇺🇸 way

@DS-ve1xh

4 ай бұрын

No, it's cut-throat competition. They have to minimize cost to stay in business. They cannot afford have a flyable plane sit idle, losing tens of thousands of dollars each hour. Why do you think air fare is so cheap these days compared to 30 years ago? Air trip was a luxury trip in those days, nowadays, it's just a public transportation just like any other such as bus, or train.

@billpugh58

4 ай бұрын

@@DS-ve1xh When did this last happen to another plane builder? Two crashes killing hundreds and now a structural failure?

@woopert7

4 ай бұрын

The profit motivation actually encourages safety. No customers will want to fly Boeing if they do not get to the bottom of the issues fast.

@DS-ve1xh

4 ай бұрын

@@billpugh58 the Concorde with 11.36 percent fatal crashes per million departures is worse than Boeing Max. However, the Concorde is still regarded as a fine airplane as as Boeing MAX. Increase minimum airfare to $1000, then manufacturers and airlines will be able to spend more money on the safety and safety records will improve a lot.

@TheAeasy19

4 ай бұрын

It's gross

You were the gold standard in safety . I’m not sure that’s the case now after 2 Max crashes with MCAS and now an aircraft with three warnings still flying . Really you are taking safety seriously? It’s ok to fly just not over water just in case !

Legends says that if you shout “MAX” three times in your backyard the probability to be hit by a flying door is almost certain

@JonathanGiles-fo6yb

4 ай бұрын

😂

@wally7856

4 ай бұрын

Come work for Boeing - When one door closes another door opens!

@marymorenomariposa

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@xkr510

4 ай бұрын

Well said 🤣

@JuniorRD1994klk

3 ай бұрын

😅😅

Finally an interviewer that asked some direct, pointed questions to try to get to the bottom of things.

@Andygarrett357

4 ай бұрын

half her questions demonstrated she was clueless of knowledge.

@jojo2113

4 ай бұрын

CNN has more accidents than Boeing.

@gregfaris6959

4 ай бұрын

And the person she asked them to is someone who doesn't know anything avout airplanes or aviation.

@arifsaifee4146

4 ай бұрын

But as usual we did not get direct answers. And we cannot, because if the official blames Boeing, they'll sue her ass off. If she says everything's alright & something happens later, she'll be in deep do-do. You will never get frank official answers.

@ronjos

4 ай бұрын

She doesn't have a clue...her background is in union building.

that plane should not have been in the air at all. they had warning lights they reset and repeatedly ignored. they put people's lives at risk

@davidhull9168

4 ай бұрын

This strongly appears to be the case. Warning lights that are lit up are showing the system is sensing something, I suspect a pressure drop due to air escaping.

@Part_121

4 ай бұрын

A human, more than 10 feet off the ground, is always subject to some risk. You would be hard pressed to find an aircraft in service, at this very moment, that didn't have a list of things wrong with it. The object of the game is to keep the list short and insignificant, but the list is always there. These aircraft are way too complex to remain in perfect condition every day they are in service.

@linaraepaksa

4 ай бұрын

@@davidhull9168 exactly. the warning lights are there for a reason. ignoring them like they did is at best reckless, or criminally negligent.

@JRoss-zxzx

4 ай бұрын

And this expert's excuse is that the warning light may have been a completely different problem

@DaveP-uv1ml

4 ай бұрын

The warnings were not repeatedly ignored. They kept that in the logbooks that’s how we know about them. In those logbooks, they wrote out the problem the steps they took to try to address the problem. This happens more than you would think about other systems. There’s lots and lots of systems and airplanes and sometimes they just will throw up random errors and it’s impossible to always say exactly what caused that. You just have your checks you go through and you trust the overall system, and it does work generally because planes are the safest way to travel by far that is the evidence the system is working. Now I know what every catastrophizer thinks about that, but there’s a reason we don’t let these people run so much as lemonade stand.

I'll bet some technician checked this out and told his boss it was a problem. But, fly the plane anyway. I've seen engine failures after reported metal in the oil filter. You don't want to know what faults they fly with on a regular basis. This could be a big problem.

5:23 EXCELLENT QUESTION. So freaking _what_ if it's restricted from flying over water, it was still flying at HIGH ALTITUDE and PRESSURE differential, posing the same risk to life. Alaska has questions to answer.

@bend8353

4 ай бұрын

Boeing makes the list of equipment it is ok to fly with while inoperable.

@frankiexv4533

4 ай бұрын

It’s for ETOPs reasons, however a malfunctioning pressurization system is something that can be handled in flight by lowering the planes altitude without any kind of significant accidents or damage to the plane. For safety purposes it’s easier to find an airport when you’re flying over land than it is over wide open ocean. And that’s why they decided to only use the plane over land in the event they lost pressure. Pressure in the plane does not go hand in hand with the plug doors or any kind of accident as happened. This simply could have been a problem being missed by maintenance or someone at the factory. The plane model has been flying for years now without this issue.

@maddog8004

4 ай бұрын

Jennifer Homendy is the politically appointed chair of the NTSB. She should not be asked expert matter questions she should refrain from trying to answer Subject Matter Questions. She uses her position to self promote and it should be called out.

@hzmzkhd

4 ай бұрын

Yup, great question. It should have been taken out of flight until they figured out exactly what the issue was and fix it and then do a lot of test flights to make sure it was safe. But because profits come before people's lives, they did not.

@sierraromeomike

4 ай бұрын

​@@hzmzkhdit is not life threatening to have a pressurization issue. The plug type door is where the main issue is which was unknown prior to the incident.

Obviously, the lady investigator 1 does not know YET what happened and 2 is obviously trying to minimize the "incident". Realities are: the plane was BRAND NEW (10 weeks old) and if it had been flying higher there WOULD have been many victims. Tryng to shield Boeing may prove disastrous for passengers and ... for Boeing. Certification of new plane is DEFINITELY an issue in the US. No, the NTSB is NOT the gold standard in the world, FAR FROM IT.

To paraphrase an old saying, "If it's a Boeing I'm not going." And as for Bob the teacher, he can be grateful it was in his yard and not through the roof of his house.

@dreamthedream8929

16 күн бұрын

Why arent you going because it's boeing?

On a brand new airplane by the way. No it’s not safe to fly any planes that were built in the last 10 years from Boeing. It’s really scary.

@jojo2113

4 ай бұрын

Nobody is flying these days anyway.

@RM-bl1wi

4 ай бұрын

@@jojo2113 record numbers of passengers....you are stupid

@dreamthedream8929

16 күн бұрын

Why isn't it safe or how when there are no crashes and they are flying all the time? Explain

I’m no aviation expert, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say it’s probably not safe if the door flies off of a plane in flight ✈️

I was willing to give the lady a hearing because I have known some outstanding people at the NTSB. And she is correct in saying that the pressurization faults may have nothing to do with the plug door, although I suspect it did. If there are low inflow faults logged in the controllers, you can bet that it was caused by an air leak at the plug. Next, we get a word salad about inspection techniques that reveal her lack of understanding of the process, a comment about the "glass" in windows that are made of acrylic, and no mention at all of the real issue: where were the four bolts that were supposed to lock the plug in place? Good questions, crap answers. The NTSB is no longer an effective agency.

@kimocoloma4123

4 ай бұрын

DEI in place. Quality experienced employees are no longer the priority for hires. The color of your skin is the most important for them. Anyone but white? Lol!!!!

If that panel hit the elevator the pilots would most likely lose elevator authority. If that happened most likely we would be talking about over 170 deaths!

@ImperrfectStranger

4 ай бұрын

It's not going to take out the entire stabiliser. How fast do you think it would have hit the stabiliser? It wouldn't have a lot of time to slow down by the time it hit the horizontal stabiliser. At worst, it would only damage the left elevator. Each elevator has an independent hydraulic power unit. There are redundant hydraulic supplies.

@williamcarnero9595

4 ай бұрын

That stabilizer is real heavy duty designed in the 60s, that stupid door plug can’t hit it hard enough to take that plane down

Corporate America has a accountability issue. All these products and vehicles we use everyday were created in the era of accountability, now with lawyers and red tape no one is held accountable and corporations rely on that to profit. They cut safety positions they cut maintenance. Trains planes automobiles. Trains are miles long now with one driver instead of short with many conductors. Planes are overloaded and maintenance is skipped (they literally cleared the light on this and ignored the issue), and cars are catching fire steering wheels are coming off. But because of politics and red tape nothing is done

@garystrankman3841

4 ай бұрын

That's what happens when you can buy off the scummy politicians in Congress..on BOTH sides the isle.

The thing that's really worrying is that the plane took off at 5:07 and landed at 5:27 so was only flying for 20 minutes. the cockpit voice recorder lasts 2 hours, so how on earth was it overwritten ??? that's a question that needs serious investigation. Also it has be worrying that the cockpit door was sucked open, and apparently took several attempts to close again, so if this happens at higher altitude you really want to be sure that at least the people who have control of the aircraft are able to retain full control and have a chance to land it .

@vito774

4 ай бұрын

Because if the plane has power, so does the recorder 🤦‍♂️

@lisaproustresearch

4 ай бұрын

Exactly - It is my understanding that if there is ever an issue with the integrity of the plane, the tapes need to be kept.

@gator7293

4 ай бұрын

There are ways to erase the cvr

@masonheller2275

4 ай бұрын

I think they're talking about the previous warning light that went off the day before -- that was more than two hours before the incident, so they have no cockpit voice recording for that.

@Part_121

4 ай бұрын

@johntheoldmod I think the answer to your CVR question is because power remained on the plane (as expected) long after it was back at the gate. I'm assuming that whichever pilot was running their "securing" checklist (if Alaska has a dedicated checklist) either missed the step where they were supposed to pull the circuit breaker, or they skipped the entire checklist. Time will tell. Probably their first incident requiring CVR data retrieval, so rookie mistake..

Team of Boeing engineers determined that even with the door missing, the plane still had perfect structural integrity but the passenger's nerves were shattered beyond repair.

@j134679

4 ай бұрын

iphones were found with their charging cables cut in half. If someone had been on that seat it would have been an injury at the very least.

@StillAliveAndKicking_

4 ай бұрын

Had the plane reached cruising altitude, a child would have been ‘deplaned’ and maybe other people too, poss9bly floght attendants. Depressurisation could have caused cardiac arrests, you hope the crew would have been able to get oxygen in time.

The question and her response is at 6.10

They deleted the voice recording on purpose, because the've talked about the irritating flickering pressure lights in the cockpit. And those lit pressurization warning lights have Everything to do with the plug door. It was already loose before flight and losing pressure along the sealings. I have no prove for this, but this says my gut feeling.

@a.miller8316

4 ай бұрын

Right... They couldn't have been flying for 2 hours so it couldn't have automatically reset. Suspicious AF

@bigjimmy428

4 ай бұрын

It doesn’t only record when in flight.

@vito774

4 ай бұрын

@@a.miller8316🤦‍♂️

@RM-bl1wi

4 ай бұрын

you have no idea what you are talking about actually

@ImperrfectStranger

4 ай бұрын

It records whenever there is power on the aircraft @@a.miller8316 It doesn't "reset", it simply erases anything older than 2 hours. The original design only allowed for 30 minutes. The purpose was originally only to get recordings of major crashes where the aircraft was in pieces (and would have lost power).

The amount of blind trust people give airlines because well, everyone else is flying is unbelievable.

@texisthereason

4 ай бұрын

Because it's statically the safest way to travel. Period. Full stop .

@bend8353

4 ай бұрын

Do you trust your car? More people die in those every day

@chrislim7976

4 ай бұрын

@@texisthereason Statistics also don't group deaths in clusters of 100s. Full stop indeed...lol

@chrislim7976

4 ай бұрын

@@bend8353 More people also die of the flu. What's your point rocket.

@chrislim7976

4 ай бұрын

Enjoy your union jobs in the airline industry. Because safety. LOL

According to her, the 3 times alerts might have been for something else than the door plug?? That's promising once that plane is back in the air...

@user-wz1qo1cn3i

4 ай бұрын

But I as Tim Allen might say, it's a plane, not a game show!

@macky4074

4 ай бұрын

No, as an investigator, she is just referring to the fact that she has to remain open-minded. Whilst it's very probable that the warnings were related to the incident, as an investigator, you can't jump to conclusions however obvious it might seem. It's actually very good practice.

@hael8680

4 ай бұрын

@@macky4074 we all got that. But given the track record of those software updated planes, we remain skeptical.

I never flew the 7 3 but I assume the malfunction light and annunciation of the pressurization system was because the system couldn't maintain the proper internal cabin pressure when the system was activated. Probably because this plug door sometimes was not sealing properly. I would also assume that if there was a malfunction annunciation of the pressurization system in recent times and now a door plug blows off in flight, it is much more likely then not that they are related.

"We would've won The Revolutionary War if we had more airports" Donald Trump..😂🤣

@ArizonaSquatch

4 ай бұрын

True. We should've had subs back then to lol

@dr3725

4 ай бұрын

Yow that was actually pretty funny 😂😂

@hilarymiseroy

4 ай бұрын

"God save the Queen man" Joe Biden

@rooster1012

4 ай бұрын

Well not if they were flying woke Boeing planes.😂😂😂

@mhall801

4 ай бұрын

Boeing did a MOD to Air Force 1 putting bidens stairs going into the lower bag pit. Reason. It was costing too much money to repair the stairs going to the main entry door. Bidens face and head damaged the steps.

Even though luckily no one was seated near the door plug, but I find it weird that seats in the middle of the aircraft (26A and 26B) were vacant in a plane that was almost full to its capacity. It would be worth finding out if the seats near the right side door plug were also vacant.

@abcddef2112

4 ай бұрын

I thought the size is actually about two windows size, there is a child and a mother. The child's shirt was torn off.

@liordagan9342

4 ай бұрын

Or that the door and other debris didn't land on someone.

3 previous depressurisation warning indicators that had been reset each time, and the aircraft had already been restricted from operating long haul, over water, in case it needed to land urgently. Now there's a maintenance procedure that needs to change! Clearly, that plane ought not have been in service. Fool you once, fool you twice, fool you three times, for goodness’ sake! Playing with people's lives! 😠

What would have happened if the door hit the horizontal stabilizer at the back of the plane and stopped it functioning on the left side?

The hesitation to answer the safety of flying a boeing aircraft was enough for me.

The B737MAXimize profits, is safe, as long as standing on ground with engines off

@brandonbrown4819

4 ай бұрын

Almost 7 million flight hours on the series!!

@tilethio

4 ай бұрын

Well, it would be an excellent pen for chicken farmers.

@philhenderson3516

4 ай бұрын

@@brandonbrown4819 Oh, what an achievement! And yet it's got the most amount of deaths for a NEW aircraft on what were COMPLETELY PREVENTABLE incidents. Keep consuming the corporate koolaid.

@Observer75487

4 ай бұрын

😅

Talk with retired Boeing engineers. Work ethics changed, competition with Airbus, new management policies regarding workloads all these might have played a part in current Boeing problems. Boeing needs to take appropriate action to regain the confidence people had about Boeing.

"Our aviation system is the safest in the world. We are the gold standard......" Jennifer Homendy has repeated this line in other interviews, historically that's absolutely not been the case and I'm pretty sure that statement's not true in recent times either. It unfortunately does sound like the usual "America is the best" nonsense.....

@brandonbrown4819

4 ай бұрын

Not a Major Airline crash since 2009, and almost 7 million hours on the MAx series- the system is very safe- but nothing can be absulute!!

@dzydre

4 ай бұрын

I have to agree with Brandon on this one. Accidents/mistakes will always happen, but the United States has a damn good track record when it comes to aviation. In my personal experience of flying in different aircraft around the world, the only place I think does it better is Japan and look what happened to them last week. Flying sure beats driving in a car 😉

@sierraromeomike

4 ай бұрын

America is really the best in terms of setting standards of aviation safety. You have the best pilots and air traffic controllers the industry can have. Of course the Max series of planes has cast doubts over the practices in design and testing of planes, but I'd like to see this as an exception as every other plane model like 747, 757, 767, 777 and 787 have all been highly successful. I have always felt that the 737 program has reached a point where it cannot be engineered any further as every subsequent generation has had to use creative methods to build on a platform which is less than ideal for newer needs. In general, this approach comes with limitations and at some point you will run into problems. Maybe it is time to consider a clean sheet design for the mid range narrow body offering.

@Sicklehead88

4 ай бұрын

​@@sierraromeomike I'm just wondering where I can see actual data that properly backs that claim up. I don't doubt for a moment that America has great pilots and great controllers, but when you claim to be the best, you need to be able to back that up with something. Is there like a global ranking of controllers and pilots of which most of them are American citizens, or how do you justify claiming to be the best? I've seen this claim in comment sections on youtube all the time, but I've never seen any proper scource for that. It would just be interesting to know how you want to evaluate that.

@jojo2113

4 ай бұрын

Just wear a mask everything will be OK

The voice recorder lasts for 2 hours. This flight took off and the door blew out in 10 minutes, and then it landed. Definitely in under 1 hour, and for sure less than in 2 hours. So why was anything over-written?? To me, it sounds like someone intentionally over-wrote it.

What about Alaska ignoring the warning lights the day before???

Maybe the question should be whether it is safe to fly Alaska Airlines. The only response to a potential safety issue was to limit where the plane could be used instead of investigating and fixing the problem that already had multiple reports. Whether the plane was over land or water, the hazard to the passengers was the same.

@SN-bl6xm

4 ай бұрын

Both! Is it safe to fly in a Boeing 737 Max and is it safe to fly with Alaska Airlines?

@wally7856

4 ай бұрын

Bigger hazard to the plane over water as an emergency decent the air is too thick for you to reach your destination with the fuel on board.

@LuvMaude

4 ай бұрын

Also United is finding all these lose bolts. How come Alaska isn't reporting any such findings? Are there safety checks lax? Can they be trusted? The seats next to the plug were conveniently empty, why so? Could they sense the door was lose there? Why not ground the plane and have it inspected? .... really pathetic

as an engineer, the fix is hinge these doors, latch them and double the bolts. Would you have your car door held in with 4 bolts? It is not pressurized(yet) so how would anyone think that is ok in a plane flying at altitudes? this was a bean counter decision that luckily happened when no one was in the seat. Bolting this door is dumb, even with twice as many, simply retrofit it as a useable hatch door, problem solved, or, do not cut holes in perfectly good aircraft bodies/fusel.

@ImperrfectStranger

4 ай бұрын

The door is hinged at the bottom. The bolts are not keeping the wing on. They are only to stop the door moving upwards, not outwards. Pressurisation loads are distributed on 12 "stops" on the left and right of the door.

If you hear whistling, it might not be the guy behind you.

“Safest in the world” with a captured regulator? NTSB investigators should not be issuing reflexive slogans at a time like this. It’s not the time, and they are most certainly not the people to be doing that.

Alaska airline was absolutely negligent for allowing the plane to remain in service. They cannot argue that mechanics looked at the issue and addressed it. If that was the case, then why did they prohibit it from flying over the occean? Passengers were very lucky that when the section came off, it didn't crash into the body or worse, the tail of the plane because if that had happened, noone would have survived the incident.

@selftotjits

4 ай бұрын

think if that kid wasn't wearing his seat belt or if a flight attendant was walking by collecting trash. they would have been sucked out. regardless there are some torts that can be filled for negligence on Boeing and Alaska.

@thebanksfilms4426

4 ай бұрын

That’s not how that works, there are certain conditions the FAA (not Alaska) allows the plane to safely operate. This exact accident was why they restricted flights from Hawaii. If that door would have opened above the pacific? That situation could’ve been way worse. You are aware that mechanics replicate issues and attempt to fix them. If something isn’t right by design, that’s on the manufacturer.

@selftotjits

4 ай бұрын

@@thebanksfilms4426 that is not exactly correct. it is alaska who looks at the repair request and they follow guidelines set by the FAA.

@thebanksfilms4426

4 ай бұрын

@@selftotjits exactly, and they looked at the issue twice and couldn’t replicate it/passed inspection. Sounds like they made Boeing aware of the concern and Boeing never got to it.

@williamcarnero9595

4 ай бұрын

Because if it has an issue and is allowed by the manufacturer to be kept in service but not over water it’s because the airplane can still fly safely. No airline does something like that out of negligence. The aircraft wouldn’t have been ETOPS certified with that certain problem but they can still operate it over mostly land because if something comes up they can easily land which in fact they did.

I do not have faith in this woman, Jennifer, head of the NTSB investigation. She doesn't seem articulate or informed about jet planes.

The plane loses a door plug, but "no structural damage"? Also, the seat tracks of an aircraft are an important structural member. Reports say that the seat legs were twisted.

Of course it is! You only need to manage to get your own oxygen mask and parachute through security.

Incredible that Alaska Air didn't properly investigate the repeated pressurisation warning lights.

@thebanksfilms4426

4 ай бұрын

They did lol they couldn’t replicate the fault to begin with, so Boeing was made aware of it..

@MrShobar

4 ай бұрын

They did. She said so.

@skinnybricks

4 ай бұрын

What are you talking about? They did. They MEL'd it. I know you're obviously not in the aviation industry. It's not that simple dude. lol

@01leland

4 ай бұрын

It has not been determined if this had any contributing factor in the incident. As the other comments was addressed within the repair certificate requirements. Alaska in an abundance of caution restricted use voluntarily until the pressurization light could be addressed in a more detailed check which was scheduled.

@QuicknStraight

4 ай бұрын

@@skinnybricks What is obvious, whatever industry you work in, is that when simple fixes don't fix a problem, there is obviously a more persistent problem which requires further investigation. And obviously, DUDE, they didn't take the correct action because the door plug blew out at 16000 feet over Colorado. You don't need to be in the aviation industry to figure that out, DUDE.

Id say only allow the plane to fly over water that way when a door blows off it wont hit my house

If someone was in that seat, they would have been gone.

Notice how she didn’t flat out say that the max planes are safe. She said our aviation system is safe not the planes themselves… it’s because she can’t guarantee something like this won’t happen again especially since they found all those loose bolts now on several grounded planes.

@abcddef2112

4 ай бұрын

Yeah haha this is boeing problem

Those passengers are about to have a beautiful payout

@MusicByJC

4 ай бұрын

10% off of next flight and extra pretzels for anyone that can prove that they were traumatized by what happened.

@jumpingjeffflash9946

4 ай бұрын

yeah the contract of carriage probably has a ton of fine print that'll absolve the airlne of everything.

“Gold Standard”??? Allowing cockpit voice recorders to overwrite every 2 hrs is not “Gold Standard”

@d.b.cooper1

4 ай бұрын

This is literally criminal. Pilots by pressure of the airline know exactly what they're doing when they do this. A literally depressurization with a huge hole in the plane, if that ain't enough to pull the circuit at the end of the flight before you leave the jet i don't know what is. Pilots often do it for small things, this thing stinks it's company pressure & Boeing will be happy they didn't save it

The pressurization event and warning light are for the whole aircraft holding pressure. It can absolutely be the case that this plug was loose and allowing pressure to escape and causing the warning. But it may not have been related at all. There is other extensive technical info from other sources about this plug and it's opening that indicate this could only have happened if some or all of the 4 locking bolts were left off the plug and that these were missed in subsequent inspections. Hard to believe that could happen but it is looking very strong for this as of Jan 8, 10am Pacific. It would be more likely that Alaska AL maintenance personnel were the last to have those bolts out since they will come out for any inspection or maintenance of that area and that is likely to have happened since the aircraft was delivered. The investigation will uncover more details.

Just imagine if these planes were design and manufactured in China. I have no doubt that there would be a complete ban in the USA.

This plane must not be allowed to fly till some independent agency thoroughly inspects and certifies it. How can a plane manufactured in 2022 can only record 2 hrs. of cockpit voice! Its hilariously and clearly tells us that so called 'gold standard' FAA is nothing but a paid puppet of big aircraft manufacturing companies. I must admit that the Interviewer asked some pointed and tough questions. Good Job! Cost of human life is cheap now days.. Only profit matters

Appreciate the transparency on this.

Like the way she describes the door as a "non critical component".

This is so alarming in so many ways. An airline carrier was notified THREE TIMES of a pressurized sensor illuminated and the only conclusion they can come up with. It's not permitted to do long haul flights. It's not to be flown over water. That aircraft should not be flying in any shape or form, whether short haul or long haul. Alaska Airlines has some explanation and hope this Boeing 737 max 9 and all others be grounded pending further investigations.

@RM-bl1wi

4 ай бұрын

you don't know what you are talking about

@boxing-12

4 ай бұрын

@RM-bl1wi ok, so u would rather see a disaster happening? Let me see how u would've reacted if u were on a flight and there's an emergency in the skies. So inconsiderate and heartless.

@RM-bl1wi

4 ай бұрын

@@boxing-12I’m a pilot on the 737 for a legacy us airline so, I would have handled it exactly as the QRH directed, just like every other professional airline pilot and just like they did. Like I said, clueless

@boxing-12

4 ай бұрын

@@RM-bl1wi I know u will take up for ur colleges anyway,no doubt

@RM-bl1wi

4 ай бұрын

@@boxing-12English?

And somehow the cockpit voice recorder was WIPED, so someone was trying to cover up something!

@martinschaefer9581

4 ай бұрын

Yes, a Freemason job, believe me!🙄

Like Airbus has never had an issue

The NTSB lady is fudging when she says the warning lights are not related to the blowing off of the door (door plug) . Alaska Air had no business allowing this plane to be flying after three warning light incidents about cabin pressure. BIG error of judgement

A speculation. There have been problems with counterfeit aviation parts. Could counterfeit bolts been the cause? If they were not strong enough, they would elongate under pressure causing a slow leak. Recalibrating the sensor would blur the preceding anomaly. By the time it gets to the third elongation, the bolts fail, and the hatch blows out.

@TheMeercat1

4 ай бұрын

I totally agree with what you are saying. Boeing has had so many issues and I would think twice about flying on a 737 max or max 9. Airbus has one of the best safety records and I'm sorry to say it Boeing but you are losing your way as being no 1 in aviation safety and maintenance. I am a massive fan of Airbus and this is only my opinion but I just think that they are producing such beautiful aircraft with a great safety record and we are now seeing a lot of American Carriers flying the A320 and A319s.

A lot of focus is on the research after the door blew off. But that faulty door should have been detected in the tests by the FAA. That’s not only on Boeing. The FAA also bears responsibility.

@haroldlipschitz9301

4 ай бұрын

There is no proof the door is faulty. The aircraft was recently at an aftermarket facility to have wifi installed and the problems only started after that.

@Sharky1101

4 ай бұрын

@@haroldlipschitz9301 fair point. But once any changes are made, shouldn’t new tests come in? Which brings me back to my original point..who sets the rules for flying? I thought it was the FAA.

@haroldlipschitz9301

4 ай бұрын

@@Sharky1101 NTSB will definitely uncover whether Alaska did anything improper upon return of the aircraft from the aftermarket place

@AlbertMark-nb9zo

4 ай бұрын

The FAA doesn't test each and every plane. They do original testing of the design within a set criteria. Those tests may not met all conditions which the plane can go through but its a minimum. Then its up to the manufacturer to maintain those specs during manufacture of other planes of the same configuration.

@23merlino

4 ай бұрын

@@haroldlipschitz9301 - it wasn't a door, it was a bolted in door-plug so what has wifi installation got to do with a fixed non-movable door-plug...? answer - nothing...

wtf??? The door's blown apart, and there's a huge hole. Yet you still see a few passengers just sitting in their seats literally right beside this hole as if nothing's aghast

Is is suspicious that the seats near the panel they were having a pressurization alarm for were the ones that happened to be empty on a nearly full flight?

I wouldn't fly any boeing plane at this point. Why on earth put a door plug in a plane? Never seen that before

@ImperrfectStranger

4 ай бұрын

The plug provides the option of adding an additional door (on either side) at a future point. If the number of seats were increased, the law requires you to have more doors for evacuation purposes. Door and window plugs are not uncommon. e.g. Boeing 747 Freighters don't require so many doors or windows.

@tfdtfdtfd

4 ай бұрын

Problem is you don't get to pick which airplane fills your route....so essentially your statement translates to "I wouldn't fly major airline at this point"

@dreamthedream8929

16 күн бұрын

Why wouldnt you fly any boeing plane? Care to explain so that it makes sense? Just to note boeing dreamliner has had zero deadly crashes and is one of the safest aircraft out there

Jennifer Homendy, FAA chair, says the "glass windows were still intact..." Really, glass windows? And she's the FAA chair. Oh boy, aviation in the USA is in trouble!

@vito774

4 ай бұрын

Ummm…someone want to tell him?

@truthserum5310

4 ай бұрын

She's not the FAA chair, she's the NTSB chair. She's still a clueless diversity hire, and not even a pilot.

The most important question would be, are you a shareholder?

The moment the door flew off I would have had a heart attack.🤔😵

I'm nervous flying on a good day. To error is human but could be catastrophic.

@jojo2113

4 ай бұрын

just wear a mask and everything will be OK

Good interview. The folks on that plane were extraordinarily lucky. Had the Winds of Fate blown just a little bit differently this would have been catastrophic -

@sanjeevsharma9998

4 ай бұрын

Imagine if it happened at cruising altitude , where cabin crew is without seat belts and so are some passengers (going to to rest room etc.)

@trave7644

4 ай бұрын

No, that woman Jenniffer, who is clearly in Boeing's pocket, needs to fired. She brushed off how serious all this is, by saying the aviation industry is the safest in the world.

@frankvee

4 ай бұрын

@@trave7644The aviation industry IS the safest in the world. She spoke a fact. It’s still unsettling that things like this can happen.

@trave7644

4 ай бұрын

That had nothing to do with the question being asked!

@dreamthedream8929

16 күн бұрын

​@@trave7644but it is the safest. But yes she could have had answer it more directly. But it doesn't matter, also all boeing planes including max are all extremely safe

I don't understand why these warnings happen, and they are allowed to continue on. Every tragic incident almost always had a warning, or people hid information for profit. They weren't allowed to fly over the ocean?????? WTH..... That plane shouldn't be allowed to fly in general. I'm currently flying home and that's also all I'm thinking about.

Put a video camera in the cockpit as back up.

With the vagueness of her answers, it’s evident that capitalism is still more important than safety & lives. These companies regularly gamble with your lives on the odds of an issue becoming a failure of epic proportions. I would like to know, when they “inspected, tested, & returned to service” those components on this aircraft, from the moment it landed & went back into the air, what was the timeframe? For such an important safety item, was it really tested and inspected or did someone just “jiggle” the wire harness for the warning light & say, “It’ll probably be all right. Let ‘er bump.”?

@conorjuarez5847

4 ай бұрын

The answers are vague because the team has only been in Portland for about a day and they don’t have all of the records to go into detail about the inspection/testing that was done. But, aviation mechanics are trained and licensed. It’s not a simple process on average takes two years to become a mechanic in the aviation industry. They have specific instructions when problems like (Pressurization Failure) which tells them what parts to look at.

Comrades, I would only fly in a Chinese made plane for safety reasons. Trust me. ❤ - Chairman Kim

@306cuber

4 ай бұрын

The Boeing planes would be completely safe if they were battery powered. Since they're not, we have to call them into question.

Allegedly boeing staff complained about the torch wrenches. Those weren't just used on those door plugs. If a torch wrench is the problem every bolt it touched is a problem. They don't even know where all the other issues are.

@MultiYlin

4 ай бұрын

if the torque limiting wrench is a problem then ALL 737MAX8/10 should be grounded until the check is over

Telling that she never answered the reporters question about the aircrafts safety.

Despite what Homendy says, the USA does NOT have the world’s safest aviation industry. The fact that she is willing to tell this lie undermines her honesty about everything else.

I am flying soon. That Boeing planes were safe. Whats wrong with Boeing? AIRBUS WILL take over.

@herceg6772

4 ай бұрын

Airbus is already on throne!

THIS DOOR SLOWLY VIBRATED AND ZIPPERED OFF, THERE WAS WARNING

The airline should've grounded the plane earlier due to the indication light!

@RM-bl1wi

4 ай бұрын

no

Jennifer Homendy is the politically appointed chair of the NTSB. She should not be asked expert matter questions she should refrain from trying to answer Subject Matter Questions. She uses her position to self promote and it should be called out.

I see the effort to make this a Boeing problem, but anything that is man made will fail that's why there were warning lights. It was Alaska Airlines responsibility to ground that plane for safety concerns instead of restricting it to shorter flights.

@thebanksfilms4426

4 ай бұрын

Not how that works at all lol. If airlines did this, damn near every aircraft would be grounded lol they restricted its flights because it was ETOPS.

Yet first of all, was it closed properly?

It's called greed. Safer at home. Less illness spread.

But is Boeing DEI compliant?

It is always good to check that a door is correctly closed.

@johnbrown6189

4 ай бұрын

It wasn't a door. It was where a door could be installed.

Think about it! Those stupid door plugs are sort of like racing in the Indy 500 with patched pickup truck tires.

So, knowing there was a problem they decided to fly the plane regardless. How lucky those passengers were. It could've been a huge tragedy. Passengers who trust that the plane they're flying on is safe. This issue should have been fixed when the problem first arose, but as usual it appears that profit is placed before the safety of the passengers and crew. Now the airline will lose alot more because of their own incompetence and complete disregard for the lives of innocent people. How many crashes have occurred because of poor maintenance, the wrong size bolt, poor repairs? When will they learn? When will people's lives be more important than profit. Utterly despicable.

Face it Dump, if the whole world was laughing at us, it is 100% because of you.

@RemoteViewer1

4 ай бұрын

Pfft.. Go ahead and TELL US EXACTLY what President Trump did while in office that was bad for America and Americans.. Then I'll give you my LONG LIST of Joe Biden's FAILURES since being placed into office.

@mhall801

4 ай бұрын

No, the world watches bidens gaffes on KZread on family night. He is the worse president in history and a gaffe machine. Jill has to lead him off stage every time he gives one of his cringeworthy speeches. 🤪

@23merlino

4 ай бұрын

@@mhall801 - troll...

@JerryScott7

3 ай бұрын

FJB !

@mhall801

3 ай бұрын

@@23merlino 👈bidenterd.

If it's Boeing, I ain't going

@belarusian8380

4 ай бұрын

Ha! That popped into my head, too 😂

@dreamthedream8929

16 күн бұрын

Why arent you going if it's boeing?

@dreamthedream8929

16 күн бұрын

​@@belarusian8380and how does that make sense?

Is it pure luck the 2 seats in this row of three closest to the blown out plug were not in use on a plane with 178 passenger seats carrying 171. Someone ask the question " had these seats been blocked on the booking/seat allocation system/program" or was it a lucky coincidence?

Oh shite, didn't know there were 3 previous warnings of the pressurisation sensors.

I think we’ve seen and heard enough mishaps with the 737-Max. Let’s put a fork in it and call it done. Boeing needs to chalk this up to a failure and cancel the program. Why anyone would get on a 737-Max at this point is way beyond my comprehension.

Gain of Fauci testifies today😂

What warning light more specifically?

It’s scary. All these issues with newer cars and now planes!